By a margin of 54% -23% New Hampshire Democrats say Hillary won the debate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

A total of 54% believed Mrs. Clinton won the debate, versus 23% who thought Mr. Sanders prevailed. None of the other three candidates on stage in Las Vegas that night came close. Less than one percent of those polled believed that either former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb or former Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee won the debate.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/10/16/new-poll-shows-clinton-recovers-lost-ground-in-n-h/

P.S. Please don't shoot me. I am only the messenger. As I have said. ad infinitum and ad nauseum , it is my considered opinion all our candidates acquitted themselves with aplomb and struck a vivid contrast with their Republican opponents.

[StrongBad]

1. False! Corporations! Oligarchy! MSM! 1%! Google Analytics!

Congrats to Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. There are now four scientific polls, three nat'l and one state, and they all show the same thing...

I am not disputing Bernie is incredibly popular on the net and in social media. It's his wheelhouse.

[StrongBad]

4. I agree with you. My reply was sarcastic.

Thought it was pretty obvious which may say something about a lot of Sanders supporters given that you thought I was serious.

[Dem2]

10. Summary

here: http://www.vox.com/2015/10/16/9553489/hillary-clinton-debate-won

[mhatrw]

15. And Hillary is incredibly popular among people who did not watch the debate, but

instead got their news about it from corporate media sources.

[frylock]

28. She's incredibly popular among people who don't give a shit about issues.

[randys1]

26. Given the NIGHTMARE we are subjected to whenever the ASSHOLES in the other party

have a debate, I say America won the debate.

[NCTraveler]

2. I think they all did very well.

It was not a lightweight debate and there were plenty of opportunities for major mistakes. I actually loved Chafees opening remarks. Sanders did better than I ever expected. Hillary meet the unrealistic expectations that were put on her. While I thought she was going to do well, she actually beat the unrealistic expectations placed on her, in my opinion.

The party won the night. There were many new eyes watching the debate and they saw a great one. We have great choices.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. That's the point that I think we need to remember.

We have two solid candidates who can win this election. Things never looked better for the Democratic party.

[cosmicone]

5. Have they trashed Katy Perry's facebook page yet? n/t

[DCBob]

57. LOL.. poor Katy has no idea what might be coming!

[Fawke Em]

6. What else would they say after they were told repeatedly by the M$M that she did.

That's the reason for so much angst on the part of Bernie supporters: we know the media shapes opinion.

[kath]

8. Yep, they catapult the propaganda for a reason.

They know it's effective.

the Mighty Wurlitzer plays on and on...

[StrongBad]

11. You know that you're basically saying Democratic voters are too dumb to understand anything...

...and blindly follow whatever the mainstream media tells them?

Are you sure you want to go with that as your official response?

Because that will reveal a lot about you and similar Sanders supporters.

[mhatrw]

16. How does the poll line up depending on whether you actually watched the debate or not?

If you did not watch yourself, tell me how would you yourself decide who won?

[Walk away]

23. Ah yes! Condescension. The sharpest tool in the Bernie Supporter's box!

That's worked so well with People of Color. Now you are telling everyone that they are too uninformed and easily led to formulate their own opinions! People getting their information from various sources are political zombies. Only Bernie Supporters in their little internet echo chambers know the real truth.

That should work as well for you as your African American "outreach"

[Skwmom]

7. 42.8% did not watch the debate. Okay they weren't polled. n/t

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[Maedhros]

13. What they've been told to think: that Hillary won.

There's a reason all the pundits fell over themselves to gush over Hillary's performance - their bosses know that most people don't think for themselves, and simply regurgitate what the 'experts' say.

[frylock]

29. Opinion.

[Broward]

9. Well, assuming that opinions weren't shaped by the mainstream media

then people saw what they saw. I don't understand how people are still taking Hillary at her word at this point, but if the Dems go for Hillary then we have not hit bottom yet. Things are going to have to get worse (perhaps much worse) before they get better.

[mhatrw]

12. Is it the fix or corporate media's dying breath?

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Do we still live in a country where corporate media can just strongly declare who won and that the race is over, and everybody falls in to line behind the narrative?

Can "Hillary trounced everybody!" followed by some attack stories on Sanders followed by some widely proclaimed poll results reflecting the media's echo chamber proclamations among those who did not actually watch the debate still work just like the Dean scream?

Is that still enough to change the narrative? Is that still enough to sway people that they actually prefer oligarchy as usual, despite their better judgment on the issues themselves?

Stay tuned for the answer after the commercial break ...

[StrongBad]

14. Got it. Dems are idiots who blindly follow the MSM.

Great strategy you got going forward...

[mhatrw]

19. Again, if they did not watch the debate, how did they form their opinions about it?

Could it be, CORPORATE MEDIA?

[StrongBad]

21. They could have already had their mind made up? Hill voters are pretty informed and know Sanders.

Perhaps only undecideds watched the debate? If so, that's even more troubling for your side.

[frylock]

32. So they already made their mind up before the debate that Hillary had won it?

[StrongBad]

33. Breaking news my friend. Turns out only those that watched the debate were asked who won

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251690927

54% who watched the debate thought Hillary won!

[frylock]

34. Of registered Democrats.

[StrongBad]

35. Which is important, because voters have to register as Dems in order to vote.

It's a closed primary.

[frylock]

36. I've voted in every Democratic primary since I started voting in 1984..

my registration status has always been Decline To State. Look up 'open primaries'.

[StrongBad]

38. Do you live in NH? Because it's a closed primary and that's what we're talking about here.

In NH, you need to register as a Democrat in order to vote in the Dem primary.

[frylock]

39. Sorry, missed NH in the header.

[frylock]

31. Naw, everybody knows it's the Sanders supporters who are the idiots being played by the GOP..

it's been posted here 3 or 4 times already.

[Dawgs]

17. We're fucked. n/t

[DCBob]

42. Just the opposite. n/t

[workinclasszero]

20. Congrats Hillary!

[whatchamacallit]

22. Hey look, megalomaniacal 1%ers share a moment

Aww...

[StrongBad]

25. BRB. Landing in my private jet and have to turn off wifi.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. If Hillary Clinton and Katy Perry had Bruce Springsteen's money they would burn theirs.

Hey look, megalomaniacal 1%ers share a moment

If Hillary Clinton and Katy Perry had Bruce Springsteen's money they would burn theirs.





But I would be remiss in not extending to you a big fat internet and hoping you have a nice weekend.

Oh, thank you for kicking my thread, s.

[whatchamacallit]

47. This picture is quite a contrast to the other one

The main difference being Obama and Springsteen are actually talented.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. I must respectfully demur from your assessment and state emphatically ...

I must respectfully demur from your assessment and state emphatically that talent is subjective.


I would rather listen to and believe Dre and Pac:

are more talented than Beethoven :

But I would be remiss in not giving you a big before I say adieu

[whatchamacallit]

50. 2pac and Dre have their thing and that's cool...

but dissing Beethoven? Sad and unnecessary. *smh*

[firebrand80]

24. How long before Bernie supporters

are "unskewing" polls?

[frylock]

27. QUESTION: What percentage of registered voters in the US are Democrats?

[DCBob]

30. Looks like its a massive nationwide conspiracy!

[MineralMan]

37. I sorta have to wonder what that photo has to do with this story.

Why not use this one?

[DCBob]

41. That photo is revealing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. You're bad

[Samantha]

40. Hillary Clinton has been running a lot of ads in New Hampshire

Bernie has run none. That has to play a part in this. Soon things will change. Bernie will start advertising because he has the money to do so.

Sam

[Vattel]

43. Hillary did poorly when it came to foreign policy, and she was dishonest in several answers.

But many people wouldn't notice that. I am glad that so many voters don't trust her. I hope that number grows. I think the more informed democratic voters get, the more will flock to Sanders. This is not to say that reasonable people can't disagree. It's just that Sanders' record is so much better than Clinton's in so many respects that he can only be helped by greater exposure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. I must respectfully demur from your assessment and state emphatically ...

I must respectfully demur from your assessment and state emphatically that Hillary Clinton acquitted herself admirably, performed with great verve, and exhibited the je ne sais quoi that will propel her to the presidency.

That being said, hopefully we are all on the same team and can also praise all our candidates for a job well done.

[Vattel]

48. She displayed intelligence and confidence and poise.

But she was dishonest more than once, and in my opinion she didn't do well on foreign policy. I have to say, though, the other candidates did not do a very good job attacking her on her hawkish foreign policy record. Maybe the next debate they will be better prepared to do so.

[moobu2]

45. Bernie peaked to early

[cantbeserious]

51. The Zeal To Elect A Female President Has Overshadowed The Good Judgement Of Many

eom

[DCBob]

58. I think the zeal is more about winning the general election and keeping control of the White House.

Hillary is our best candidate to do that.

[cantbeserious]

59. Others Would Disagree

eom

[Bernblu]

53. How many of the voters in this poll actually watched the debate

or were they influenced by the media to believe she won the debate? There is a poll that shows Bernie won the debate with people who actually watched the debate:

http://mic.com/articles/126749/viewers-of-the-first-democratic-debate-thought-bernie-sanders-was-the-clear-winner

[DCBob]

55. From the raw data it looks like they only asked the debate question of those that saw the debate..

13. Did you watch the debate last/(Tuesday) night?
(N=500) --------------------------------------------------------------- n %
Yes ----------------------------------------------------------------- 283 56.60
No------------------------------------------------------------------- 214 42.80
Undecided ----------------------------------------------------------- 3 0.60

{FOR 13.1}
14. Who do you think won last/(Tuesday) night’s debate? (candidates left to right on stage were Jim Webb, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Martin O’Malley, and Lincoln Chafee)
(N=283) --------------------------------------------------------------- n %
Jim Webb ------------------------------------------------------------ 2 0.71
Bernie Sanders ---------------------------------------------------- 67 23.67
Hillary Clinton ---------------------------------------------------- 154 54.42
Martin O’Malley----------------------------------------------------- 2 0.71
Lincoln Chafee------------------------------------------------------ 0 0.00
Other----------------------------------------------------------------- 13 4.59
Undecided ---------------------------------------------------------- 45 15.90

http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/10_16_2015_final_marginals.pdf

You can see the "For 13.1" which I assume means it was a sub-question of 13. Note the N was 283 which is the number of respondents who said they saw the debate.

[Dawson Leery]

54. A real scientific poll.

As opposed to those online polls which are always spammed by one side (usually by the side that is losing the public debate, in this case Bernie).

[DCBob]

56. Yes it is.

It is troubling the Bernie Bunch have such a hard time dealing with this. They seem to be in denial and delusional and devoid of common sense.