Hilary Clinton is a liberal.

[MohRokTah]

Those who deny this simple fact are as extreme on the left as those extremists on the right who deny Jeb! Bush is a conservative.

[winter is coming]

1. She's a neoliberal, but thanks for playing. n/t

[MohRokTah]

3. I love when extremism comes through. eom

[wilsonbooks]

33. TREAD WINNER!!

[whatchamacallit]

2. Lol!

[MohRokTah]

4. Thanks for the proof of my thesis. eom

[whatchamacallit]

10. "Hillary Clinton is a liberal" is your thesis

and I just proved it?

[winter is coming]

22. Someone needs a dictionary. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

32. It's not entirely inaccurate as a statement

It's just a tad simplistic.

[Robbins]

5. what a bunch of BS

She is no liberal.neither was her busband or Obama.

Every republican is conservative or far right conservative.

[MohRokTah]

8. Thanks for proving my thesis. eom

[Go Vols]

86. Yep

Obama said he would be considered a moderate Republican if this were the '80's.

I didn't like R's any better then than now.

[randys1]

6. Most who attack Hillary are not left or liberal, they are just adamant about their pocketbooks.

They cant see the big picture.

[MohRokTah]

11. Yup.

The good news is the extremists on the right hold most of the power in the GOP and are turning off the electorate. The extremists on the left are a much smaller bunch.

[Armstead]

20. No the Big Picture is this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251705971

[randys1]

21. Not if you are Gay or a Woman or Black

[Armstead]

28. Many of those problems stem from that

Who do yo think bankrolls the RW Repubs who dominate statehouses and much of Congress, and inflict voter rights suppression, Lawn Order candidates and the private prison industry, anti-choice legislation, etc.

There's always going to be bigots, but who do you think gave them such clout?

Answer to the above is Oligarchs.

And I think poverty and exploitation of the working class affects every group in America. Likewise Climate Change.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. Let's look at the private prison industry, which we all agree should be abolished. You put this very

high on the list of things funding bigotry. Many people on DU speak of private prisons as if they are speaking of our prison problems, they think the problems with the prisons are in the profits and they think about it no more.
Here I will repeat that private prisons should not exist at all. But here are some numbers from the ACLU:
6 percent of state prisoners, 16 percent of federal prisoners, and inmates in local jails in Texas, Louisiana, and a handful of other states.

So we should have none. But still if we had no private prisons, we would still have too many prisons with too many in them for many of the wrong reasons, many of them as a result of institutional racism in the system. Rid ourselves of private prisons as we should, we will still have all the same problems with prisons, prisoners and injustices that we have today. Most of our prisoners are not in private prisons so most of our prison problems are not about the private/public issue. It is a moral issue with great potential for abuse. When we end it, we still have all the other institutional problems.

So 'private prisons' is not even the leading problem with prisons, they are a vile but not huge industry and losing popularity daily. Public prisons with all the same problems lack the moral wrong of being private, but frankly that's not even close to our biggest failure with prisons. It's not. And it is a big failure.

So private prisons create racism and bigotry? No, they exploit those things and they exist in part because of those things, look at who gets locked up. Much, much of our prison and court and law enforcement problems are the result of racism and bigotry, they don't create them they are created by it.
It's not how you pay for your prison guards, it's who you put in prison and why and how you treat then once they are your responsibility. No prison should generate profit, that also. But not that alone, not even close. Not even close.
And yet for some reason that has become the catch all phrase. As if by taking back the private contracts instantly all is well in the pen. I think that sort of rhetoric is a cop out. It's evasive of the facts at hand.

Another interesting fact is that the majority of the 16% of Federal detainees in privately run facilities are involved in the immigration system, making this also an immigration issue, which is of course a 'social issue'. Best way to reduce then eliminate Federal private prisons is Immigration Reform.

So that's 'private prisons' what do you want to do next?

[Armstead]

105. I am not going to get into a competition over "social" versus "economic" issues

I am not saying some problems and issues do not exist on their own outside of the system oligarchic wealth and power. Of course not.

But my contention -- and you are obviously free to disagree -- is that many of the social problems stem from, or are exacerbated by, lack of public resources to support social and educational programs that would help provide solutions, funding of rancid right wing politicians by wealthy and powerful interests, poverty and the desperation, violence and bigoted resentment it breeds, and a culture brainwashed by corporate media that creates a climate of sensationalism, sexist stereotypes and violence and shitty behavior to make a buck....etc.

[msrizzo]

126. This!

It's not how you pay for your prison guards, it's who you put in prison and why and how you treat then once they are your responsibility. No prison should generate profit, that also. But not that alone, not even close. Not even close.
And yet for some reason that has become the catch all phrase. As if by taking back the private contracts instantly all is well in the pen. I think that sort of rhetoric is a cop out. It's evasive of the facts at hand.

Couldn't agree more. I too am for ending private prisons, but I don't see how that will reduce the number of African Americans and Latinos are jailed for nothing or next to nothing.

[U of M Dem]

39. I have respect that not all of the disenfranchised

are marginalized equally. It would not be prudent to suggest that each of the demographics you mention have equal plights in the political / governing system, but to suggest that the powers that be have not been a driving force to perpetuate universal disenfranchisement is to pull the proverbial wool over your eyes.

These things do connect, perhaps not in a glaring linear path, but the connections can be gleaned from a systemic waves and ripples / positive feedback loop etiology. A correlation can be observed if observation maintains objectivity.

I am a proponent of a full court press response to the powers that be. We can label them however we like, the homophobes, the patriarchy, the masters, the owners, the man, the billionaire class, the owners, the 1% the powers that be etc.

The observation that the political power of a citizen currently is far surpassed by those that have vast wealth and power at the top of our heirarchy, which is quintessentially an oligarchy, is correct.

Socialism exists for the 1% already in this country. I propose we open the gates to that private party and allow all of the hard working, sick, hungry, and homeless in this country, regardless of demographic, to have a fair share of our evidently abundant wealth.

[Dawgs]

29. Are you saying Hillary is bad for people's pocketbooks?

And every other candidate, like Bernie, is bad for gays, women, and blacks?

Because that's kind of what it looks like.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. What happened to the guilty moderate face?

[MohRokTah]

9. More proof of my thesis. eom

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. How so? She said she was guilty of being moderate.

[JRLeft]

16. Hillary supporters don't give a fuck about facts.

[reformist2]

90. They do care about parroting whatever line the Hillary Campaign has just put out.

[JRLeft]

98. She can say she's to the right of Mitch McConnell and they would still cheer her on.

[MohRokTah]

17. You missed the thesis. eom

[Baitball Blogger]

46. Apparently, your thesis is weak.

Just because we disagree with you, we're extremists? Really? Hillary has spent most of her political career claiming she was a Centrist. Does that mean anyone left of Centrist is an extremist? Well, guess, who is left of a Centrist. Liberals. That's who.

[artislife]

85. ^^ this nt

[Myrina]

114. + 1

I especially love how the OP can't - or won't - engage in discussion of said 'thesis' - he/she just throws out a snarky comeback to shut down discussion. Something one would hear at a GOP debate or over on FR.

Therefore, I posit my own 'thesis' - HRC supporters are close-minded "Do as I say" authoritarians who can't stand to have their sense of the absolute questioned.

[Baitball Blogger]

127. +1

I've encountered this same poster in another thread. Perhaps, she has a private agenda that we are not aware of.

[morningfog]

102. Not sure you understand what a thesis is.

[itsrobert]

12. At least until the Convention

all bets are off afterwards.

[Jester Messiah]

13. Well, I was gonna doubt you, but...

[Armstead]

15. Depends on how you define liberal

On selected social issues she's a liberal. (Though in some cases like SS marriage a liberal-come-lately.)

But on issues of Wealth and Power and War and Peace, she's a moderate conservative, at best.

[RichVRichV]

18. She's a social liberal.

Economically and foreign policy she's a moderate to moderate conservative.


In line with the current power structure of the party.

[Baitball Blogger]

47. Nailesd it.

[Sheepshank]

19. I am a Liberal and she represents my standards...makes her a Liberal n/t

[HooptieWagon]

23. Thanks for the laugh.

Have you considered stand-up?

[gearhead12]

37. Hehe

[gearhead12]

24. if you say so then it must be true

[TM99]

25. More proof of your thesis I am sure.

These can't all be extremists?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/08/12/370537/-Hillary-Clinton-The-DLC-presidential-candidate-Part-I

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-stoller/hillary-clintons-dlc-prob_b_39566.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/04/01/318469/-Hillary-and-the-DLC

http://themoderatevoice.com/198402/hillary-clinton-and-the-left/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/president-hillary-clinton_b_5525235.html

I could provide so many more but this one is my favorite --

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/index.html

Hillary Clinton Pleads Guilty to being a Moderate!

[Scootaloo]

26. Poisoning the well.

"Anyone who disagrees with me is crazy and evil yargblargle!"

Great discussion, MohRokTah.

[LondonReign2]

41. "And their disagreement with me proves I'm right!"

[Vinca]

27. True . . . for now.

She's been following Bernie to the left and now might call herself a liberal. The big question is whether she'll stay a liberal once elected. I'm not so sure. She's a Democrat I've always viewed as being on the other end of the spectrum.

[Robbins]

31. she won't

as soon as primarys are over back to being moderate and if she can beat trump on to center-right.

since poll showing clinton in lead In NH has 42 reclet's end the myth most of DU supports Bernie.

[GoneFishin]

104. No chance she would govern as a liberal. None.

[arcane1]

30. You may want to remind her of that, since she can't seem to make up her mind.

Unless she lies when she says she's a moderate

[Avalux]

34. So you've decided that saying something over and over again makes it true.

There isn't one shred of evidence that Hillary is a liberal. Not a one. Sorry, but the evidence just is not there.

But go ahead, keep saying it. I'm sure some will believe your delusion.

[gearhead12]

35. I'm on my way to work in a little while and needed the laugh by the OP anyways

oh well murica

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

36. Sorry your incorrect but thanks for your opinion.

[jeff47]

38. Clinton denied that "fact". Does that make her extreme left?

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/
(Warning: autoplay video)

[Baitball Blogger]

49. +1

[Doctor_J]

40. oh, not this bullshit again

She calls herself a moderate, which nowadays means more conservative than Reagan. She is in favor of heritage care pay to play health insurance, fracking, domestic spying, TPP, charter schools, and more war. She's against a minimum wage, same sex marriage, universal healthcare, social security expansion, and free college. She's as cozy with the perpetrators of the great recession as the Bush family.

We get it. You don't want another white man in the white house. But try to keep the conversation reality based.

[Eric J in MN]

42. Hillary Clinton is a liberal until she locks up the nomination.

If nominated, then in the general election, she'll be a conservative.

If she's elected, she'll be do what corporate lobbyists tell her to. Her criticism of ISDS and her talk of getting-tough-on-Wall-Street will be shown as empty promises.

[Doctor_J]

43. so you agree with Ted Cruz and Fox news

Interesting.

[John Poet]

44. So, I guess Hillary "is as extreme on the left as those extremists on the right

who deny Jeb Bush is a conservative"?

She's the one who went out of her way to claim to be a moderate.
"Kinda moderate? I plead guilty!" ~ Hillary

I believe what she said then. I don't believe what she said at the debate.

[Baitball Blogger]

45. She is a neo-liberal.

Liberals respect process because they know it's the best way to protect everyone's rights. Neo-Liberals do not respect process. They rely on social relationships to reach agreement with decision-makers from the other side of the aisle. Because Republicans have no use for process, expect the whole thing to devolve into another corrupt era in American history. But, as long as the whole system is corrupted, there's safety in numbers. Worst of all, they use their political influence to stop investigations.

[Ichingcarpenter]

48. You keep using that word thesis which you don't have a clue what it means

thesis


1.
a proposition stated or put forward for consideration, especially one to be discussed and proved or to be maintained against objections:......nope you an't got that

2.
a subject for a composition or essay..... nope you an't got that

3.
a dissertation on a particular subject in which one has done original research, as one presented by a candidate for a diploma or degree......LOL......

[Baitball Blogger]

50. And most of all, I do not think it means what she thinks it means.

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[gearhead12]

74. OP giving a speech

[mindwalker_i]

83. ... out of his/her ass

[pinebox]

51. Oh?

[rateyes]

52. Hillary is a self-described moderate.

And you saying different doesn't make it different.

[workinclasszero]

53. Hillary Clinton Was The 11th Most Liberal Senator

Interesting piece from Daily Kos today, showing Hillary Clinton as one of the most liberal senators. I really don't know where progressives get this idea of Clinton as some raging conservative.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/hillary-clinton-was-11th-most-liberal

Hillary is very liberal and way to the left of Bernie Sanders on guns, thats a fact!

[jeff47]

57. Mostly by looking at the shitty methodology in claims like that.

The vast majority of the "she's really a liberal!!" studies do things like only count bills that made it to the floor. Or score "Liberal" veeeeeeery broadly.

[pinebox]

60. Did you miss this?

Most liberal Dem
1 Sanders -0.523
11 CLINTON -0.391

[workinclasszero]

65. I'll take the #11 that can be elected

over the #1 that can't be, any day.

And Bernie is to the right of Hillary on guns.

[pinebox]

66. Again

Read please. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=706477

Being the nominee and being elected isn't the same thing and she isn't electable in a general. She'll make the GOP base show up in droves. That's reality and that wil cause a Dem loss. Think about it.

Bernie is to the right on guns? Hillary is to the right on minimum wage, Syria, health care, education, wall street and campaign finance reform/

Now what?

[workinclasszero]

73. So we must let the republican party pick our nominees?

Is that what you are trying to say?

Are you saying the republican party would rather have Bernie run against Trump or whoever?

[Fawke Em]

72. Actually, all the polls are showing he'd do far better than her in the general. eom

[workinclasszero]

76. Clickity click polls?

Got any links to scientific polls?

I'd like to see them if so, thanks.

[BlueCaliDem]

129. *crickets*

Clickity-click polls are the only polls they have to feel good. Of course, they don't understand that those clickity-click polls can be infiltrated by paid GOP operatives and clicked on multiple times until they get the result they're looking for.

I'll stick to the scientific polls - as far as I trust polls, that is. I don't trust online clickity-click polls ONE BIT.

[workinclasszero]

133. Nobody but the desperate trust those spammable polls

eom

[BlueCaliDem]

135. Yep. + 1000 eom

[Art_from_Ark]

108. Wait a minute-- weren't you the one who wrote

"Hillary Clinton will never set foot in the White House as president. If she steals the nomination somehow the dem party will again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."

Yes, I believe you were.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5168167
(Post #76)

[Dawgs]

115. Great find. n/t

[frylock]

69. Who was The 1st Most Liberal Senator?

And where does gun control rate on the list of issues most important to voters?

[BlueCaliDem]

132. With the Black community, sensible gun laws are very important since, well, they're

disproportionately murdered with guns. Is that maybe a reason why the Black community isn't "feeling the Bern"? Admittedly, their views on gun control safety is shifting now they want to arm themselves in order to protect themselves. Who can blame them? I sure don't.

Another demographic not "feeling the Bern" - and the fastest growing voting demographic in the United States - Hispanics/Latinos. They prefer gun control over gun ownership:

[AgingAmerican]

54. She says she is a moderate

Moderate is to the right

[Ed Suspicious]

55. Wrong. She's neoliberal. She is in no way liberal in the vein of FDR.

[berni_mccoy]

56. Which Hillary(sic) Clinton are you referring to?

The 2008 Hillary or the 2016 Hillary? Because I would say the answer depends. 2008 Hillary is about as liberal as Jim Webb is now. But don't worry, she won't just say *anything* to get elected.

[cpwm17]

58. The best test for a liberal is The Golden Rule.

Last edited Tue Oct 20, 2015, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)

The worst violation possible for The Golden Rule is war. Hillary loves war. She is no liberal.

[Bettie]

59. So, not preferring Hillary in the primary

makes one an extremist?

Wow. And here I thought primaries had a purpose beyond having one "choice".

[MohRokTah]

61. Now you are putting words into my keyboard.

I never said that. Sanders is also a liberal, albeit with varying policy positions as compared to Hillary.

[hifiguy]

62. She's a neo-liberal Third Wayer

who is welded at the hip to trickle-down economics, the MIC and Wall $treet banksters and she supports the drug war, militarized cops and for-profit prisons. Her record is what it is. You may be entitled to your own opinion. You are NOT entitled to your own facts.

[MohRokTah]

63. More proof of the thesis.

Keep the extremism coming.

[Broward]

80. You sound extremist in your centrism.

[Baitball Blogger]

81. I believe you have fallen victim to a logical fallacy.

[Autumn]

64. What happened to the moderate she claimed to be?

Must have been a wind change.

[MohRokTah]

68. Jeb! Bush also claims to be a moderate.

It has something to do with attempting to appeal to the middle in the GE.

PS: We all know Jeb! Bush isn't a moderate, just like Hillary Clinton isn't a moderate.

[frylock]

71. So she lied?

[Autumn]

97. The why did Hillary say she was? Are you saying she fibbed?

Jeb will go nowhere, he won't even make the top 3 of the puke field.

[Broward]

70. You should tell her then. She can't seem to make up her mind.

[Motown_Johnny]

75. She called herself a moderate, so she must be as extreme as a Bush.

Right?

Or can your candidate not live up to the standards you set for anonymous nobodies posting on an echo chamber of a message board? I am betting she can't. What say you?


http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/


^snip^


"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

[Hepburn]

77. Well, yeah, I am on the extreme left...

...your point?

And Hillary at best is a moderate ... and that is at her best. She is a hawk and is owned by the corporate money she takes.

If war and corporate ownership of the nation is OK with you, well, what can I say.

[Jack Rabbit]

78. Hillary Clinton is not a liberal and Jeb Bush is not a conservative

Hillary Clinton is a corporatist and Jeb Bush, like all active Republicans nowadays, is a right wing patoot who believes in government that is small enough not to guarantee a citizen's right to vote, but not so small it can't determine what's going on in your bedroom, to listen to private citizens on the phone without a warrant or hand out welfare checks to artificial persons but too small to give assistance to flesh and blood single mothers.

There is no such thing as a liberal corporatist. The term is simply an oxymoron. A corporatist believes in equality, not in giving a favored position in society to corporations or the bastards who own them.

[treestar]

79. The claim she is not a liberal is ridiculous

Go out into the real world and the names attributed to Hillary in this forum are laughable.

The Real World calls, not some fantasy.

[Robbins]

84. reality

Clintons support free trade deals.many liberals are against TPP.She has opened door to flip back after primarys
Liberals want to help people.she only cares about wal street and clintons are fine with cutting social safety net
Clintons haven't seen a war they don't support.many liberals oppose war
liberals often don't support enchased nation security state and militizan of police.clintons do
Clintons have never taken stand for minoritys intill it's popular to do so.
Clintons smile with Kissinger and Bushes.they aren't Liberal

[treestar]

88. Talk to regular people and Republicans

They would laugh at the idea she is not liberal. They don't know shit about TPP or care about Kissinger.

[Dawgs]

116. So, the republican definition is what we should use for liberal, not actual liberals.

Explains everything we need to know about your thought process.

[treestar]

118. There is something objective about it

About what is. There are Republicans, and they are to the right. There are people in the center. You are resisting reality, which is that most voters would think calling Hillary conservative is ridiculous and they would laugh. I don't see that you have to attack me about it. The consensus would do the defining. People on extremes seem convinced they are not on the extremes. You are like right wingers who call Bush a liberal. (Such people exist, I have heard them). You don't get to define it for only yourself, as the reality is that most voters are to the right of you, you are merely insisting on seeing it from your perspective.

I am pretty far left in where I stand, but I get that other voters are not and am not pretending that they are with me so as to be able to define everyone slightly to the right of me as a "conservative."

Most voters are not for no international trade, breaking up the big companies and banks, and all that stuff. They just want a job - why would they want all the companies closed. They may be in favor of some form of safety net but they are not for the "end of capitalism" and all that jazz. They would see Hillary as a liberal. ON the right, they indulge in the same thing you do and call her a Marxist, which is ridiculous.

[Broward]

87. If by liberal you mean corporatist neocon then sure she's a liberal.

[treestar]

89. Regular people and voters don't ever use language like that

And they would laugh at the concept of Hillary not being liberal. Hell she'll be called a commie by the right.

[The River]

82. Another OP

for the ignore list.

[RichVRichV]

91. I'll take another crack at this and challenge the actual premise.

First off you're thesis is 2 sentences long. That's the poorest excuse for a thesis I think I've ever seen. But that's besides the point.


Before we can begin we have to define a few things. First off what your thesis actually is:

You claim that people on the left 'who don't believe Hillary is a liberal' is at least as extreme as people on the right 'who don't believe Jeb is a conservative'.

Before we can discuss this point we need to define a few things. First off how do we identify who these far left and right are? For Brevity sake let's call Sander's supporters the people on the left (who I presume your target is) and tea partiers the people on the right. While that's far from totally accurate I think that fits the definition of who you're looking for in a general sense.

Next we need to define what extremist is. Here's one definition I found - "A person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action." Another way to look at the word is "people who's views are outside current societal norms."



Now that we've defined a few things let me explain why your 'thesis' is invalid. Unlike the tea partiers who are growing ever more irrational, Bernie supporters are very logical and within norms of society. Here are some examples.

Right - Doesn't believe in the function of government, except when it can be used to control people for religious reasons, such as women's rights.
Left - Believes in a strong government, but also one that doesn't interfere in personal rights on religious grounds.
Societal norm - Majority of people want to have basic needs provided for, such as school for children and security of the elderly. This country was found on secular beliefs of separation of church and state.

Right - Does not believe in equal rights for all citizens, such as LGBT right to marry. Attempts to suppress minorities.
Left - Believes in equal rights for all people.
Societal norm - Equal rights for minorities has been a tenet of this country since the civil war, and has been continually strengthened since then. It is the right who has continually fought against these gains, and the left fighting for them. LGBT rights have become accepted by the majority of the country (albeit some only recently) and is law now.

Right - Is trying to shrink/eliminate minimum wages and weaken worker rights.
Left - Is trying to do the exact opposite.
Societal norm - People in the country want to see a strong and robust middle class. The country has performed it's strongest economically when that has been the case.

Right - Want to shrink the tax burden on the wealthy in the belief it will spur economic growth.
Left - Want to increase taxes on the wealthy to spur economic growth via government spending.
Societal norm - The majority of people believe the wealthy are not living up to their responsibilities to the country. Even many tea partiers believe this even though they can't make the link with taxes.

Right - Believe the government has become corrupted by outside influence and lobbying.
Left - Believe the government has become corrupted by outside influence and lobbying.
Societal norm - Hey! You got one right! We are the same. Except many moderates also agree with this.

Right - Believes the military isn't strong enough and liberal use of that military abroad.
Left - Believes we spend too much on the military at the cost of other functions of the government (such as taking care of people and infrastructure). Believes in war only as a last resort. Believes in strong support of veterans.
Societal norm - People are sick of war.

Right - Believes the ends justify the means and that it is alright to lie to gain advantage over adversaries, especially in matters of religion. Believes religion and dogma trumps science and facts.
Left - Believes in an ethical conduct. Believes in science and facts.
Societal norm - Believes in an ethical conduct. Believes in science facts.



Should I continue? Saying the left is at least as extreme as the right is not only wrong, it's irrational. The left isn't extreme. In fact it's where this country was a half century ago before trickle down economics started the long drift right. What Bernie supporters are advocating for could in fact be considered a return to normalcy, not extreme by any modern day measure.











Please note these are based on very broad generalizations, but so is your so called "thesis" that is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

[Juicy_Bellows]

99. Brilliant post - well said, it won't matter to the cone of silence dwellers but good post. nt.

[IDemo]

125. Thank you for that

Nice rebuttal of a laughable OP.

[One of the 99]

92. She's not a liberal nor does she claim to be

She calls herself a moderate. She does lean to the left on some issues but to the right on many others.

[Arugula Latte]

94. You saying it doesn't make it so.

[TheKentuckian]

96. Most (though not all) of the right wingers won't fess to what they are which are regressives and

increasingly radical regressives some are openly theocrats and neo feudalists and since they will not honestly self identify because doing so would by any and all definitions make them unavoidably true extremists so they try to pretend at "conservative" which means they have call anyone that is conservative or more right wing and more and more all the time even more regressive elements that haven't gone full on Bircher or worse moderates or even liberals, moderates are then called liberal to socialist, and anyone actually liberal communists or just plan crazy. They haven't a clue what a true leftist or a actual communist even is.

Since your assertion (thesis my ass) relies on the absurd statement that there is some equality of extremism on the left and the right it must be disregarded and scoffed at as absurd nonsense at best because just a middle of the pack TeaPubliKlan is extremely far right like only out righted by at the governing level by the likes the theocratic rulers of Saudi Arabia and jihadist types and in the west the Democratic party is probably the second most conservative group that anyone gives the keys to.

Perhaps if you'd stop thinking of "the middle" as somewhere between Reagan and Goldwater and anything left of corporate conservative aka "centrists" as nigh unto communist when globally the folks you think are so far fucking left are barely left of center you could have some form of reasonable dialog but it suits you to shove the Overton window way to the right because you are seemingly fairly conservative yourself.

[cui bono]

100. She's not even close to being liberal.

But then you didn't post anything to back up your assertion so you probably knew that.

[morningfog]

101. Bookmarking. Lol.

[morningfog]

103. I don't think you understand the words "liberal," "extremist," or "thesis."

[WillyT]

106. Wha...

[McCamy Taylor]

107. Or as the ones who claimed Humphrey was conservative.

[Scuba]

109. Hillary is a liberal in the same way that Bristol Palin is a virgin.

[BooScout]

110. Yes she is....

But apparently some people feel the need to call her every name in the book to try and deflect this fact.

[Art_from_Ark]

111. She herself admits she's a centrist

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/

[BooScout]

112. ...

[MohRokTah]

113. That's just par for the course for the extremist leftist Bernibros.

They may be loud on the internet but their real numbers are so small they'll never be able to do to the Democratic Party what the extremist right teabaggers have done to the GOP.

[Agschmid]

120. .

On Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:37 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

That's just par for the course for the extremist leftist Bernibros.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=708593

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Childish, divisive name-calling, as is typical of Pretzel Warrior.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:44 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: pitiful alert. this whole thread is boring but "childish" best describes the STALKER.

LEAVE
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope not hiding it, seems par for the course now to use "names" unfortunately both sides do it. I don't even alert on it anymore since I've gotten too many 0-7 hides trying to encourage people to be civil. Also MannyG seemed cool with the #BernieBro name since he made a whole OP on it so it can't be that bad. Oh and then the alerter wants me to think this is PretzelWarrior a previously banned poster, sure it might be but that's not going to effect my jury decision on this post. The proper course of action with that information would be to alert admin not to try to sway a jury. You might win this one because juries are pretty one sided, but this was a crappy alert. -Agschmid
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's GD: P. Ugly, but par for the course. Hopefully this will all blow over happily by Spring 2016.

On an additional note, the moment I saw the jury notice, I knew I had to be related to something in GD: P and some inane Hillary-Bernie inter-squabbling.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post is uninformed and asshole-ish, but it doesn't rise to the level of hide.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post is disruptive.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post is innocuous. Alerteeraccuses postee of name-calling, then doesvit himself.

Petty and silly.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MohRokTah]

122. ROFL!

Accusing me of being PretzelWarrior?



WTF is a PretzelWarrior?

[Agschmid]

123. I think you know...

[MohRokTah]

124. .

[ibegurpard]

131. until we lose in 2016

And people like you try to blame progressives instead of disaffected voters whom the Democratic Party leadership refuse to acknowledge exist.

[PowerToThePeople]

117. Your OP looks to be leaning to the right.

Trashcan is the best place for it.

[Gore1FL]

119. She calls herself a moderate

Why are you trying to put a label on Clinton that she doesn't want?

[RiverLover]

121. Right? She said herself that she's "moderate", "center". Its on video for the world to see.

And all that capitulating to rethugs is what makes her a raging DINO.

[ladjf]

128. Mrs. Clinton is a run of the mill "political hack". She seems to void of

original ideas that would help Americans.

[Hepburn]

130. ROFL

[EndElectoral]

134. 4,487 American soldiers who were killed in Iraq don't get to vote on how liberal she is.

Her vote contributed to the death of 144,000-166,000 civilians and 224,000 violent deaths including combatants according to Iraq Body count.

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

This 'doesn't even address the wounded and displaced. The Pentagon says 32,226 wounded and 4,487 dead. Other independent counts go much higher.

This against a country that a) Did not have the alleged WMD's, b) had never invaded the United States, c) Had no direct affiliation with Al Queda, and yet she voted for this action.

I am sorry. I can not vote for a person who voted for this after reading the same intelligence Sanders did. And I certainly can not label such a person a liberal.