2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo all I have been hearing from the MSM today is that Hillary should not have used the word enemy
in context with the republicans.
During the debates Hillary jokingly said that she has made "enemies" out of the republicans, and is proud of it.
Has everybody been ignoring what has happened during that last six years?
Republicans have called Obama Anti-American, Marxist, Gangster, and other vile names which I won't repeat.
Guess what Obama said on Univision in 2010:
"In an interview with Univision last week, President Obama said: If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, Were going to punish our enemies and were gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us, if they dont see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think its going to be harder and thats why I think its so important that people focus on voting on November 2.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/11/01/127663/boehner-enemy-hypocrisy/
In 2012 we had Kansas House Speaker Mike O'Neal say the following:
"Kansas House Speaker Mike ONeal publicly cited a Bible verse calling for President Obama to be killed, his wife to be widowed, and his children to be orphaned. Hes the very same guy who forwarded an email to state house Republicans referring to the First Lady as Mrs. YoMamma.
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/01/31/top-9-racist-republicans-president-obama-office/#TSdB45ht6I2rp4tt.99
The despicable names republicans have hurled at Chelsea, and calling Hillary everything from murderer to blaming her for Bill Clinton's cheating.
The ugly comments republicans have made against the poor, women, minorities, immigrants, planned parenthood, etc.
Or how about these friendly assholes:
"Florida Tea Partiers plan to set up a secret vigilante court to arrest and possibly execute Obama
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/these-florida-tea-partiers-plan-to-set-up-a-secret-vigilante-court-to-arrest-and-possibly-execute-obama/
If these republicans are "our friends", I would hate to see what our enemies are like
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)It's that, matching morons though they are oft times, they're our fellow citizens. We need the people, if not their corrupt representation, to be with us or at least open to dialogue. The Republican voter won't hear 'Republicans' and think 'the d-bags in charge' they'll think "US".
jeff47
(26,549 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in back-door relation to this topic ... in response to A.C.'s question, she didn't say is enemies with republicans; rather, she said, they have made her their enemy.
That said, I would have had zero problem if she really had said, "Republicans are an enemy ... my enemy ... that I plan to ground into political nothingness, whether I win the Democratic primary and G/E election or not." (Other than, for the sake a comity.)
still_one
(92,190 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Notice, some wish to argue what she didn't say ... even in the face of the video!
Sad ... Really, sad.
still_one
(92,190 posts)What some are doing here is really a gross distortion.
Interestingly enough, some of the same folks who are feigning outrage were the same ones calling the bush administration and some of the republicans in congress enemies.
Thanks for the link
Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)When questions like these are under consideration, we are not Democrats, we are not Republicans; we are a people united in a common patriotism. This is the spirit of my entire campaign. If the spirit and the method that I am applying to public questions are in line with that of progressive citizens of parties other than my own, I invite them to join me now, as I have invited them many times before. In the face of present national emergencies we must distinguish between parties and their leaders.
(snip)
To the people of this country I have but one answer on this subject. Judge me by the enemies I have made. Judge me by the selfish purposes of these utility leaders who have talked of radicalism while they were selling watered stock to the people and using our schools to deceive the coming generation.
http://newdeal.feri.org/speeches/1932a.htm
riversedge
(70,218 posts)and never knew where it came from. I do think it is appropriate to say this at times.
Thank you so much for the post.....
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)of your statement.
The telltale for loose lipped, arrogant, and foolish was adding in the Iranians. Just irresponsible.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)guess they needed joe to point the way.
still_one
(92,190 posts)niyad
(113,303 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)first election. Here's Pat Buchanan, from his keynote speech at RNC 1992, George HW Bush's second nominating convention:
"Elect me, and you get "two for the price of one," Mr. Clinton says of his lawyer-spouse. And what -- And what does Hillary believe? Well, Hillary believes that 12-year-olds should have the right to sue their parents. And Hillary has compared marriage and the family, as institutions, to slavery and life on an Indian reservation. Well, speak for yourself, Hillary.
Friends -- Friends, this -- This, my friends -- This is radical feminism. The agenda that Clinton & Clinton would impose on America: abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat units. That's change, all right. But that's not the kind of change America needs. It's not the kind of change America wants. And it's not the kind of change we can abide in a nation we still call "God's country."
Very antagonistic, very aggressive, Bill has not even won the election and they are calling out Hillary in extremely hostile terms. They set a tone that still drones on and on.
still_one
(92,190 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)...because it was one of the loudest applause lines of the night. (And frankly the only thing she said that I actually thought was new or interesting.)
They're only talking about it now because Biden brought it up.
And for some stupid ass reason Americans hate partisanship despite that the fucking idiotic Republicans have held congress and the country hostage for almost a decade now...
still_one
(92,190 posts)complimentary toward Biden. If he was running for President I would say fine, but he made a decision NOT to run. Instead he decides to give a backhanded parting shot at one of the Democratic candidates for what? To hurt that candidates chances? To hurt the Democratic party?
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Obama ran on that platform and it worked for him. That's why I like Sanders because he has shown he doesn't play, and I was sort of disappointed that he joined Biden in those remarks.
Yes, of course you have to work across the isle and all that. But look at the legislation that this congress puts out and look at how the Republicans are the ones drafting it and they don't allow a single Democrat a single say in what happens in the House. The Senate is then left working on all these compromises and the President hasn't had a single budget passed in his entire time in office (it's always been continuing resolutions, that is, he's continued Bush's budgets, with cuts because of the sequester).
If only we had a candidate that said that bi-partisanship doesn't work in this current toxic environment.
(And yes I am fully aware that Clinton said that they consider her their enemy, I'm just saying.)
still_one
(92,190 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)I disagree with Biden and think he was throwing some snark out there for whatever reason but the media lapped it up. I don't think it changes anything in any way whatsoever.