Let's be honest about three things:

[Vattel]

1. Clinton implied that Sanders was being sexist when he made the reference to shouting. There is no other plausible understanding of her own recent references to women and shouting.

2. The implied accusation is a smear. Sanders has used variations of the same line countless times.

3. Because Clinton is not dumb, she probably knows that she smeared Sanders, but apparently she doesn't care.

[Robbins]

1. Of course she smeared him

this is same playbook as 2008.

[merrily]

29. You got it.

[tex-wyo-dem]

59. Yep, her handlers must have told her...

It would "play well" based on focus group studies.

Meanwhile, Bernie just keeps talking about the issues.

[Nitram]

147. Her "handlers?" Guess a woman can't make up her own mind.

[tex-wyo-dem]

155. Oh, spare me the mysogonist crap...

I would say the same thing if Hillary were a man. Point is that everything that she says is focus grouped and coached on wording, delivery, etc...she obviously says some things based solely on political advantage and expediency and I don't think she believes half what she says. This assertion is underscored by the recent Third Way "manifesto", slapping Hillary on the wrist for sounding too progressive. I'm sure going forward we won't see her mentioning much about SS expansion or single payer.

She's as fake as a $3 bill.

BTW...my first choice to run for POTUS was Warren, and I can probably name as many women leaders who I admire as men, so cut out the "because she's a woman" crap. Thank you.

[Nitram]

156. Ok, so you're just being patronizing and condescending.

And Clinton just happens to be a woman. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

[kelliekat44]

80. And Sanders knew he was referring to Hillary when mentioned "shouting." They both are smart. nt

[demwing]

90. Run with that - we'll see how it works out

good luck

[JDPriestly]

105. He wasn't referring to Hillary when he said "shouting."

Has she shouted about anything? I think not.

[Nitram]

148. Priestly, two problems with that contention.

1. Sanders used the term "shouting" in a direct response to Clinton's calm, rational statement on the need for gun control.

2. Isn't it rather dishonest of Sanders to imply that everyone else , including his Democratic opponents, is unable to discuss the gun control issue calmly, dispassionately and factually? In my experience, it is Sanders who usually does the shouting.

[daleanime]

107. You stick with that....

Of course you will anyways.

[Enthusiast]

88. I get the same impression.

[msongs]

2. thanks for a good chuckle nt

[JaneyVee]

3. She said "some people", not "some person" or "Bernie Sanders".

[DianeK]

9. come on!

[Vattel]

14. Don't be dishonest

[Fearless]

21. Oh please!

[daleanime]

48. Good thing this is on-line, you can simply deny this....

you don't have to worry about keeping a straight face.


Have a lovely evening.

[treestar]

77. Seems no worse than claiming BS was not meaning

Hillary when he said "shouting" but gun discussers in general.

[daleanime]

85. If you look at it side-ways.....

and squint your eyes, but why not just look at it head on? Oh, that's right, because then there is nothing there and that wouldn't be useful. Oh well, have a lovely day.

[kenfrequed]

115. Uh-huh

Except he has been saying it for quite some time to everyone who asked him directly and in a passive voice occasionally as well.

Hillary is the first person that decided it was sexist a week or so after the debates.

Maybe she was afraid he was getting too much positive news spin for calling out the conservative media for being "sick and tired of her damned emails."

This is really beneath her, she is twenty or thirty points ahead in most national polls. Going negative at this point speaks more of her character than anything else.

[Nitram]

149. Going negative? If that's going negative, then this must be your first election.

Clinton didn't even call him sexist. Is implying that all the other Democrats are over-emotionally "shouting" about the issue rather than discussing it calmly and factually "going negative" in your book?

[kenfrequed]

157. Don't insult my intelligence.

I saw the three stump speeches and I listened to the context and compared it directly with what was said during the debate.

Even the media picked up on it.

[Nitram]

163. I'm afraid you've just insulted your own intelligence, Ken.

The media? LOL!

[kenfrequed]

167. Uhm... the sentence does allow for plural subject agreement.

So LOL off!

[840high]

53. 'cmon - u know better

[Myrina]

73. .... and where else do we hear that phrase?

Faux snooze practically has a patent on ".... Some people say ... "

[Android3.14]

81. This is the reason people disregard your posts

Talk about a disingenuous excuse.

[KamaAina]

101. Juror #? says: "Stupid, but not really hideable"

[Android3.14]

112. My goodness

Did someone alert my post?

If so, and if you have the message, I'd be interested to see the whole vote tally if you have it.

Do you think the "alert stalking" that people are complaining about is actually the HRC crowd, or is it the cave dwellers just poking a stick in our collective eye?

[KamaAina]

113. A lot of it does seem to be directed at Bernie supporters

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[Android3.14]

114. You rock, KamaAina

Glad to see it was weighted so heavily on the LEAVE IT ALONE side. I didn't know about the 0-7 timeout rule.

As beam_me_up_scottie advised, we need to let the obvious troll bait threads sink. I thought this thread, pointing out an obvious tactical error related to the usual trust issue for Clinton, was fairly safe to have a decent discussion.

Thank you DU community for your votes.

[BeanMusical]

125. What a stupid alert.

[rhett o rick]

128. Alerting is a tool used by those that can not carry the discussion so they try to end

the discussion with a hide.

[BeanMusical]

130. +1

[cui bono]

127. As usual. You know they talk about their alert stalking on another site.

It has been documented. They also claim to have their own juries.

But somehow they are always the victims. *yawn*

[bravenak]

4. Okay. I tell my husband he is sexist when he tell me to calm down when I am already calm.

When men start talking about women shouting, well, it reminds of that 'hysterical women' trope. Like a stereotype. He was louder that her and yells often imo. Telling her that yelling wont do anything might make it seem as if he was implying that she was a bit too loud and that she had ever considered yelling as a strategy. As he often yells and seems to be attempting to create a revolution of people taking to the streets and demanding his policies, it may have been construed as sexist or at the very least, hypocritical as we have no idea what his plan to get anything done beyond a loud revolution. Which I suppose includes yelling. So, perhaps he was no clear enough on his meaning. It did offend obviously, many women complained.

[Vattel]

13. Don't you hate it when you are out trick or treating

and someone gives you pretzels?

[bravenak]

17. No! Yum!

I hate candy corn! Let me go start a thread about it. You can come say you hate circus peanuts.

[Vattel]

23. Wow, candy corn has such a long record of halloween sweetness.

How can you possibly favor the pretzel? I have to say, if the pretzel is nominated for best Halloween snack and it so it comes down to a vote between pretzels and whatever the other side nominates--I suspect that apples with razor blades inside them will beat out protractors, cat turds and previously owned bubble gum--I may have to just sit this one out. Ik, ik, an apple with a razor blade in it is way worse than a pretzel. But I am tired of choosing the lesser of the evils that I find in my trick or treat bag at the end of the night.

[Ned_Devine]

39. I see what you did there...

Nice

Who is your avatar? I'm oblivious

[Vattel]

62. Cesar Chavez. He is a hero of mine.

[merrily]

32. Bernie wasn't talking about women shouting. As the OP says, he has used that same language

about gun "discussions" for years.

[rhett o rick]

131. "No amount of shouting" is a very old and well used expression and has never been construed

to be aimed specifically at women. To claim it is sexist in order to gain political points is disappointing. I am glad that Sen Sanders didn't take the bait and responded professionally.

[MohRokTah]

5. I gotta rec this, more people need to see it!

[WillyT]

7. So Do I...

Done.

[Docreed2003]

55. Serious question...

Do you get tired of the ROFLMAO emoji? Because you use it all the time and it's tiresome. How old are you that posting so many emoji's is a legitimate response? If you think you have a point to share, then share it, because the overuse of emojis is just childish and contributes nothing to the conversation.

[Puglover]

69. This poster said in a thread a few days ago

that if Bernie won the nomination he would not vote for him. I believe it was, "I would not vote for him for dog catcher."

So much for "no Clinton supporters have said they would not vote for the Democratic nominee."

So I do not take them seriously. At all.

[A Simple Game]

122. The word PUMA comes to mind for some reason. But many of her present and most vocal supporters

were the vocal opposition in '08 and supported then Senator Obama.

I like to think of them as minority shoppers.

[jeff47]

92. No, he doesn't. Not using it would require actually responding to people

and that requires actually having an argument you can make.

[WillyT]

6. Yep...

[upaloopa]

8. Hillary gets smeared with lies on this board daily

I am not going to cry crocodile years for Bernie. There are no saints on his side either,

[Vattel]

15. tu quoque

[840high]

54. 99% of it is not lies.

[jeff47]

93. Yes, vicious smears like accurately quoting her or her record. (nt)

[Bubzer]

117. +1

[cui bono]

129. Which smears? Which lies?

[whereisjustice]

138. No need for lying. Her political world view is so toxic that it would be hard to make shit up

Her Iraq war vote.

Her policy of war as a neo-con Sec of State

Her being against gay marriage

Her shilling for more prisons and tougher sentencing

Shilling for "welfare reform and banking deregulation

Her supporting privatization of schools, prisons

Her collecting millions in donations as Sec. of State from people involved with State Dept policy negotiations

Her shilling for NAFTA and TPP

These truths are damning enough. Why lie?

[72DejaVu]

10. Poor, poor Bernie

The slightest bump and he cries like a baby.

[Armstead]

12. yeah right, he's bawling his eyes out.

I though it was Hillary who was so delicate that she must be protected because she gets hurt and offended by a non-gender specific term.

[72DejaVu]

60. The worst thing anyone has said about Bernie in this campaign

wouldn't rank in the top 100 things that have been said about Hilary over the years.

Come back and tell me when somebody accuses Bernie of murdering a friend, or when they start digging through his Christmas card list.

[Armstead]

65. Let me know when the appropriate meme has been decided on. Is Clinton...

tough and a fighter, or too fragile to use words like "shout" around when referring to a statement about a heated national controversy.

Let me know if Hillary wants to campaign ion issues, or just make phony controversies over personal "slights"

[Bubzer]

118. +1

[Nitram]

150. Is Bernie too fragile to take criticism of his use of the word shouting to describe

how his Democratic opponents discuss gun control?

[Vattel]

16. ikr? it's just a little smear.

[MrMickeysMom]

11. She can't even take credit for it...

It's undoubtably some trusted writer of speeches.

It's gonna get hard to keep up with it after a while.

[Dem2]

18. I don't care either

This isn't a game of jacks. Bernie can handle himself without the internet bickering over every perceived sleight.

[sabrina 1]

19. We don't need a leader who feels like victim! If she is so easily shouted down, and believes it's

because she's a woman, that so harms the chances of a woman every getting to the WH. I am hearing people all over the place, asking 'why is she running then' even some of her supporters.

What an insult to women, seriously.

[restorefreedom]

22. yes on all counts. nt

[Thespian2]

37. Yes

We do, indeed, want an outstandingly capable woman as president...that is Elizabeth Warren, NOT the 1%er...

[sabrina 1]

43. Or Barbara Lee, or any number of strong women who were RIGHT on the issues and have never claimed to

be victims of anyone. Even though Barbara Lee who unlike Hillary voted against the Iraq War AND the Patriot Act was subjected to death threats and needed security to protect her family after she cast her votes against them.

I've always found it nauseating to hear very privileged women whine about being victims. Real victims would be the Women of Iraq whose status before the invasion Hillary supported, was among the most equal in that region of the world, and in fact they even has things WE are still struggling to get here, such as Equal Pay for Equal Work. Now they are reduced to medieval standards thanks to our invasion. Those who are not dead that is.

[Thespian2]

50. Ab-so-lutely...

fortunately, their are several good choices, including Barbara Lee...

The 1%er is talking somewhat progressive...she would revert to her accustomed support of her class...as soon as she was elected...

GO, BERNIE

[bvar22]

106. Barbara Lee was also the ONLY ONE to vote against the occupation of Afghanistan

because some Tribal War Lord was renting desert space to a handful of Saudis to play soldier.


America never understood that Afghanistan had no effective central government,
and ,as a country, was not responsible for 9-11. No Central Committee met and decided that the country of Afghanistan would attack the USA.
A dozen or so Saudi criminals were responsible, and we got them a long time ago, along with several multi thousand completely innocent Afghans and their families and friends.

Thank You, Barbara Lee for your understanding of Afghanistan, and your vote of conscience.
I stood with you.

[Bubzer]

121. Hillary certainly enjoys her privilage.

Like the top 1% and the CEOs she's taking money from, she is rarely held accountable for her lack of judgment. That seems to be the norm when you're absurdly rich.

[kenfrequed]

79. I would further suggest...

That her painting a thing Bernie has been using as a plank in his discussion on firearms for quite some time as sexism actually demeans women more and is an insult to women that deal with real world sexism every single day. This is a signal to noise thing except there was never any signal.

Well there actually was at least one signal I guess, a signal of the kind of political campaign Hillary wants to run.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. It's ironic, because at this point she doesn't really need to smear Sanders.

She's had a very good couple of weeks. It was a minor, but petty-looking, misstep in what has otherwise been a real good run.

[restorefreedom]

25. so if she "doesn't need" to smear him,

and if she is waaaaay ahead, why do you suppose she is going on about this? seems like a big misstep for an experienced campaigner. and esp as a strong woman candidate, kinda seems like a big ooops.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Maybe.

I didn't say she was "waaaaaaay ahead", but I'm also astute enough to not need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, as Bob Dylan so eloquently put it.

I'm also voting for Sanders in the primary, fwiw.

I just dont think any part of this exchange was very much of a big deal- and that also applies to the HRC people here trying to posit sanders's use of the word "shouting" as more evidence that he's some kind of stealth mens rights activst or whatever, ZOMG IM SERIES111!!!!1

Just my opinion, homes.

[restorefreedom]

31. ok, waaaaay ahead was my term

i agree with you that it is not, and should not be imo, a big deal. but as a non hillary supporter who likes to see women do well in positions of power, the "poor me he is telling me not to shout cuz i am a woman" routine seems like a rookie blunder

and naturally it has become a "thing" in the press cuz they want drama any way they can get it

[zeemike]

51. Well there is another possibility.

That her support is not as big as the media tells us it is. And she is more scared of Sanders than we think she is or should be.

I take those polls with a some salt, because they are part of the system and I think the system is corrupt to it's core...and it is not like polls are hard to make come out like you want them too. In fact lying with math is the easy way to lie.

[restorefreedom]

64. i think your possibility is very likely to be the case. nt

[deurbano]

91. Agree, and I'm voting for Sanders in the primary, too.

(Not that my California vote usually means anything.) People on both sides get fixated on the "outrage of the day" mined from the millions of things the candidates say every day. On the other hand, while annoying (at times) to witness, maybe it's good preparation for the general. I have appreciated the civility displayed by the Democratic candidates, but also want our nominee to be ready for combat. (So to speak.)

[Vattel]

33. I really don't think she is a particularly good campaigner. No Obama, that's for sure.

[restorefreedom]

35. yeah. usually practice makes perfect. usually....... nt

[Vattel]

36. Unfortunately, it will be hard for her to lose this primary. But I am still hoping.

[restorefreedom]

38. i am actually quite hopeful

we are being fed a diet of procorp, proestablishment tripe by m$m and the online activity, the crowds, and the donations all suggest thst bernie is much more popular than the m$m polls portray. i think there will be rovian meltdowns on primary days.

[winter is coming]

40. My guess? She wants to reserve as much money as possible for the general election,

and the sooner she puts away Bernie, the sooner she can tack back to the right.

[restorefreedom]

42. i guess she will need a long term account then....

he doesnt seem to want to go anywhere

[jeff47]

94. She had an 80% burn rate in Q3.

She isn't saving any money.

[Dont call me Shirley]

120. Ding, ding, ding, winner!

[sabrina 1]

41. I don't think she's had a good couple of weeks, except with the most partisan supporters. Go to the

other side and you will see that THEY believe THEY had a fantastic week.

Democrats will react to the 'red team/blue team meme because we have been conditioned to do so. So even the most avid Bernie supporter who is a Democrat is going to oppose the other team.

What I hear from people who watched those hearings is more in line with what people who have opposed the PNAC agenda from day one.

'Why are they not investigating the Invasion itself'? Because of course there would be no Benghazi if that terrible invasion had not occurred in the first place.

And we know now that those who opposed it were correct in their predictions. It is now a humanitarian crime in progress with so many innocent people murdered, raped, robbed tortured and many of course who are trying to flee our 'Humanitarian Intervention' many drowning in boats too small to carry them as they try to reach Europe.

We are not all blind to the real issue here.

Nor to the fact that this was Hillary's 'baby'. Horrible. The Refugee crisis, similar to the refugee crises in Iraq, was caused by these invasions.

Her policies are a DISASTER and Benghazi was inevitable once the US decided to invade Libya, or something similar. War is hell which is why we should NEVER engage in war unless it is absolutely necessary.

Libya was far from necessary.

How is Hillary going to win the GE with ZERO crossover votes? Republicans will not be voting for her. They are signing up with Bernie's campaign however, more moderate Repubs.

And the largest registered voting bloc now in the country, Independents? Many are Dems who have left the party precisely because of its swing to the right, the wars, Wall St influence etc.

The Repubs of course, while they put on a show re these invasions when Dems follow the PNAC map, are all for them too. So THEY and SHE will not talk about the main issue.

I am surprised by how many people are saying this: 'Why is this investigation NOT about the real issue, the ill-fated invasion itself'

Any bump she got wasn't really for her, it was for the Blue Team V the Red Team.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. I'm voting for Sanders in my state's primary, even though it is likely to be so late as to not

carry a whole ton of weight either way.

That said, I just call 'em like I see 'em.

[George II]

141. WHAT? She KILLED during the debate and she destroyed a panel of teabaggers at the hearing...

....and she's gone up 10-20 in most polls.

If that's not a good ten days, what has Sanders had? He lost the debate and has dropped in most polls and lost the lead in one of the only two states that he led.

Compare the two and maybe Sanders should consider withdrawing.

[sabrina 1]

143. In your opinion. Like I said, any bump she got was not for her, it was Dems V Repubs and she

benefited temporarily from that.

So what do you think of her support for the Death Penalty now?


Oh, and your last sentence, did you know you are helping to promote a Talking Point?

Bernie is going to win this election. Maybe Hillary should drop out?

[George II]

144. I've mentioned already on DU that I'm disappointed in her position on the death penalty but....

....considering the fact there have only been three Federal executions in the last 50 years and none in the last 12 years, it's not a major issue compared to all the other things we have to be concerned about.

If I only voted for a candidate that agreed with my position on every issue I'd never vote.

[Uncle Joe]

24. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Vattel.

[RandySF]

27. K&R

To show how unhinged it's getting around here.

[Phlem]

52. Wow.

It's really been unhinged since the mid term Third Way loss. But hey, let's do it all again!

I don't know where you've been but it's the same damn Third Way Agenda that's being forced upon us once again.

Try a little fucking history.

[sheshe2]

137. Hey Randy~

On Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

K&R
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[leveymg]

28. A fresh smear every day. The Clinton campaign way.

Another meme. How unexpected.

[fbc]

30. It's going to get much worse... just look at her 2008 smears against Obama.

[zentrum]

34. Speaking as a woman,

…she played the sexist card and it doesn't help us feminists at all.

She played the "could be muslim" card on Obama in 2008.

[d_legendary1]

44. I sometimes feel her jabs will inadvertently help the opposition

should she lose the nomination. I remember the whole white vote and elitist remarks prior to her losing the nomination. I feel like she's the Democratic party's own worst enemy.

[zentrum]

58. I think

…..this is a very long game that will go forward no matter who wins the nomination. There's underground fissures in the Democratic Party that have been simmering for a long time, at least since Clinton 1's first term. The Progressive/FDR wing vs. the Third Way DLC wing.

Bernie has already won a lot by pulling her to more progressive stances, but he may in fact not be ruthless enough to beat someone like Clinton who will say anything.

[d_legendary1]

82. Obama went through the same things Sanders is going through right now

Let Clinton shoot herself in the foot. Its what cost her the nomination back in 08. No one likes a phony and a liar. But you are right about this being a long and arduous game. Will it be the DLC Dems or the Liberal Dems that prevail?

[Nitram]

151. Wow, a jab!

Is Bernie down for the count? Will he survive this heinous attack? Tune in next week for the surprising answer!

In other news, Hillary Clinton is accused of being directly responsible for the death of four diplomats in Libya. She was recently subjected to 11 hours of questioning by a hostile GOP panel. It is also rumored she might have implied that Bernie Sanders is sexist.

[d_legendary1]

158. What a jab is right!

One guy managed to pass legislation with a Republican Congress while the other is getting grilled unnecessarily by the people she claims she can work with. Doesn't take a fortune teller to see who they're willing to work with.

[Nitram]

166. So nice to know that Bernie works well with Republicans.

I'm sure that will go a long way if he becomes president.

[d_legendary1]

168. Definately!

Its a lot more preferable than four years of "Did you have relations with that country?"

[PatrickforO]

46. That's how Clinton rolls.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

57. Just like the last time....

That's why I'm not worried.

She tends to self-destruct.

[EEO]

47. Hillary: "Anyone Who Does Not Vote for Me is a Sexist"

Some humor... In light of some possibly underhanded politics by an individual who shall not be named by me...

Hillary: "Anyone Who Does Not Vote for Me is a Sexist"

WASHINGTON (The Nil Admirari) - Earlier today, Democratic presidential candidate and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton proactively branded every American who refused to vote for her "a sexist." Clinton asserted if anyone disagreed with her on policy they were "likely a sexist," but any American who did not vote for her was "definitely a sexist."

And...

Clinton added, "Unhappy about me flip-flopping on issues like gay civil rights and preemptive war, because I looked at the polls? Fine. Just know you are definitely still a sexist if you vote for anyone, except me."

[Nitram]

109. The funny part is that Bernistas have been playing this card for some time now.

Not really that funny, but what else they got?

[beerandjesus]

123. I haven't seen any Bernie supporters calling Hillary anti-Semitic.

You KNOW if Hillary were Jewish, that meme would be kicking around too.

[cui bono]

136. Playing what card?

[treestar]

61. oh poor Bernie, being subject to the woes of running for POTUS

poor thing! I suppose he will not be able to handle the numerous "smears" that you get actually being POTUS. Maybe he shouldn't get the job.

[Vattel]

63. I'm surprised that you would adopt this tactic in responding to pointing out a smear.

You are usually more sensible than that. It is obvious that criticizing Clinton for smearing Sanders is no indication that Sanders cannot "handle" being smeared.

[randome]

71. Right. It's Sanders' supporters who can't handle the smear.

It's politics. Pfft!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

72. Its politics in te worst sense

Stupid distracting personal issues to make politics into a TV Reality Show. Sure that's always a part of politics. Rather than condescendingly saying Sanders and his supporters "can't handle" smears, I think it would be preferable to support his attempts to keep the campaign on the plane of issues instead of the Tiger Beat crap of who used what word in a debate.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

74. +1 n/t

[treestar]

75. the campaign/supporters then

They will have to handle the rough and tumble of politics rather than complain about it. Hillary is said to be tough and will do anything to win.

It's funny too to compare how what is often the same people complaining that Obama was not tough enough and that you have to stoop to dirty tricks, like LBJ was said to have done. If he'd just "fought" we'd have single payer. Wouldn't that include some dirty tricks?

[JoePhilly]

67. The whining on this topic has become rather hilarious.

I'd call it "pearl clutching" but that would (a) be sexist, and (b) they never let go of the pearls long enough to need to quickly clutch them in an exasperated fashion anyway.

[UglyGreed]

66. She knows it will fire

up her women supporters. Just like Republicans use guns and God to fire up their supporters. Propaganda without substance........

[dorkzilla]

96. Seems to be backfiring.

Its fired up women alright; I’ve heard many more women aghast at this tactic than supporting it. You can’t argue that you’re equal to any man and then falsely claim you’re being shouted down because you’re a woman. All it does is support the claim of some men that we are overly sensitive and have to be handled differently. And that ultimately hurts women everywhere - from West Point to the Boardroom.

[UglyGreed]

97. My wife who is the head of the household

and has keep her job in a corporation for over 25 years finds it petty and belittling to women. But of course she is a sexist just like me.

[dorkzilla]

98. According to some on this board a while back

I was a self-loathing woman because I used the word “woman” to describe someone. So we’re all sexist pigs apparently.

[Nitram]

110. There you go again, Ugly.

You are obsessed with the sexist angle, aren't you?

[BeanMusical]

124. Here's a thread with some people who are truly obsessed with the "sexist angle":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251729941

Also, the name of the poster you replied to is not "Ugly". And that word is certainly not an innocent diminutive to show your affection for them either.

[Nitram]

142. I'm sorry. I should have used his last name and called him Mr. Greed?

[BeanMusical]

145. You are so funny, Martin.

[Nitram]

146. Thanks. I try.

[BeanMusical]

153. Don't give up. With a lot of practice, one day you'll be funny for real.

[Nitram]

154. Gee thanks for the encouragement!

[BeanMusical]

169. You're welcome!

[JoePhilly]

68. Mom, Hillary is making faces at me again!!!!

[randome]

70. LOL!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[treestar]

76. lol!

[leftofcool]

87. LMAO!

[Nitram]

170. LMAO!

[djean111]

78. Her postions on war, fracking, the TPP, cluster bombs and her Wall Street buddies will hurt

women and children.

To expect me, as a woman, to vote for Hillary because of this "sexist" shit is pathetic.

[jwirr]

103. ^^^THIS^^^

[cprise]

134. +100

[tularetom]

84. Is she going to snivel if Putin remarks about her "shouting"?

We keep hearing about what a "strong independent woman" she is, but she seems awfully eager to whine about how people are picking on her.

[Nitram]

171. Snivel? LOL

She put Bernie in his place for a really stupid answer to her statement on the need for gun control. As if he's the only one who is rational enough not to shout about the issue. And the Bernistas all called a whaaambulance. Watch the video. That's some good-humored snark. we'll leave the sniveling up to the overly sensitive Bernistas who are sniveling because they think she called him sexist.

[SoapBox]

86. It was all about people shouting on different sides of the GUN issue.

She very purposely took that and twisted it into the sexist claim.

Such FUCKING dirty political bullshit.

And I'm supposed to blindly vote for her?

And I'm supposed to trust her?

Bloody FUCKING NEVER!

[Betty Karlson]

89. Quite so: the whole bag of dirty tricks is being unloaded. n/t

[Jester Messiah]

95. What else is she gonna do, run on the issues?

Bernie'd clean her clock. She's got no choice but to play the poor put-upon woman getting yelled at by the nasty old socialist male. It's sickening.

[bvf]

99. Precisely. n/t

[Gamecock Lefty]

100. Not!

1. Clinton did not imply Sanders was being sexist.
2. Stating facts is not a smear.
3. If true, I would not care, either.

No matter, I'm voting for the Democrat, not the one who changed parties so he could get elected.

[Unknown Beatle]

102. But you don't understand,

she's being "misinterpreted".

Wow! Hillary will do and say practically anything to be residing in the WH.

[lame54]

104. 4....

After the week she just had there was no need to do that

[Nitram]

108. Wow, if that is the worst "smear" Sanders gets all campaign,

I'd say he's doing pretty well. I bet he can take a "smear" like that without a flinch. He's tougher than some of his supporters, apparently.

[DaveT]

111. Not really a smear

More accurately this is a pristine example of The Passive Aggressive Whine.

I love the comparison above to relations between spouses. In one post, the triviality AND the manipulative snarkiness stand naked.

It is ironic how many different ways there are to tell someone to shut up. Pretty sure that Bill has heard variations on this theme since Yale.

Do you Hillary supporters REALLY think that this is good politics?

Music to the ears of this Sanders supporter if you do.

[stonecutter357]

116. I don't have to look, Clinton is ahead of Sanders in the Polls.

[mhatrw]

119. For Clinton, this was nothing but a clever jab that has all the hallmarks

of her message for why should become our next President:

*she is very clever

*she is a fighter who is not afraid to fight dirty

*she is a woman who is very clever and who is not afraid to fight dirty

*did she mention that she is a woman?

And she got to roll her entire electoral appeal into an attack on the one and only issue on which she can set up to left of Sanders without eliciting guffaws from the audience!

[ChiciB1]

126. I Agree, And SHE VERY WELL KNOWS What She's Doing!

I'm sorry to have to say it, but I WON'T buy this type of car again. After the hoopla of what's going to go on tonight and how the MSM crapola of all the "opinion blow hards" is over I need to comment more on her AND this election. What I as a Democrat feel and will be doing given that I support BERNIE SANDERS.

I'm saddened, hurt and feel so uncomfortable with what's happened to the Democratic Party I once knew. I understand times change, but the changes I've seen for too long now don't fill me with any pride.

It's MY opinion and mine alone and nobody has to agree or disagree. Just saying what I want to say. Don't feel any need to make any other reply

OUTTA HERE FOR NOW!

[Nitram]

152. Oh my gosh!

I can't take it anymore. Bernie might have implied all the Democrats are shouting and Hillary might have implied that Bernie is sexist. It's all too much for me to take.

[Gman]

132. Don't be so thin skinned

Sanders said his own self up for it.

[fadedrose]

133. I find a man's screaming to be easier to listen to

than a woman screaming.

I prefer listening to a man's speaking voice than a woman's, with a few exceptions. HC isn't one of them. Very few women have a good speaking voice for broadcast, and the ones that make it are lucky and have had good training..

I'm a sexist too. I think men are favored over women in many ways, but women are sticking together now regardless of their abilities, or lack of them. They do have brains equal to some men and better than others....

[bhikkhu]

139. Link? Video? Text?

Not everyone spends enough time online to keep up with the latest scandal/controversy; it would better serve the casual reader if some context were provided. If you believe the subject worth posting about and discussing, the extra effort would be appreciated.

[George II]

140. 1. False, 2. False, 3. False.

[Kingofalldems]

160. How is pointing out GOP misogyny a dirty tactic?

[Kingofalldems]

162. I will respond whenever I please.

And pointing out misogyny is not a dirty tactic.

Also please cite this so called dirty tactic used against Obama.

[Kingofalldems]

165. Nothing about misogyny there.