What does joking about offering a Veep slot really mean?

[kenfrequed]

Is it different when it is a serious statement by a campaign chairman or more patronizing?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/04/clinton-chairman-obama-would-be-good-running-mate/comment-page-7/

That is the problem with history. It exists.

Honestly She/He could be my Veep is a joke made every time there is an election like this. It has never been considered sexist.

[randys1]

1. Michelle would be better

[Snotcicles]

11. I agree, I think she is way more progressive, even more so than her husband. nt

[TheKentuckian]

20. Based on what? Where can I see her policy positions?

[riversedge]

2. Nobody said it was sexist--it was condensending for a campaign manager to be saying that

to a reporter.

[kenfrequed]

4. Actually Emily's List did say it was sexist

Stephenie Shriock stated it. At this point this would be tagged onto the previous nonsense attacks Hillary made to try to build up some kind of false narrative about Bernie being sexist.

[SidDithers]

10. No, they called it a "Condescending insult by a team who knows better"

https://twitter.com/Schriock1/status/659434075795640321

The New York Times tried to turn that into "Emily’s List Official Accuses Bernie Sanders Team of Sexism"

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/29/emilys-list-official-accuses-bernie-sanders-team-of-sexism/?_r=0

Nowhere did Emily's List state that it was sexist.

Post the quote from Stephanie Schriock using the word sexist, if it exists.

Sid

[kenfrequed]

13. Ah...

You may be right, Maggie Haberman may be making more of this than there is. Of course Haberman sort of has a history of fronting for Hillary from the NYT.

However, this still begs two questions for those perpetuating this:

1) if this is simply about respect then how is this different from every single other time that this joke or half-hearted offer has been made?

2) Why is it that a fair number of Hillary supporters ARE promoting this as sexism?

[snagglepuss]

30. Sexism is implied in that statement because male condescension towards women is a

hallmark of a sexist attitude. Condescension is the gist of the phenomena known as mansplaining. But you know that as does Schriock.

[Perogie]

28. Boo Hoo

If she can't take the heat then she should get out of the kitchen.

Oh wait, you'll claim that's sexist.

[NCTraveler]

3. " It has never been considered sexist."

I see your confusion. I don't recall a serious effort to call it sexist. You are trying to make a point about something that really didn't happen. My question is, why are a small group of Sanders supporters so desperate to claim they are being called sexist over this?

[kenfrequed]

6. See above

Emily's List, which has already endorsed Hillary and appears to be working with the campaign.

[NCTraveler]

9. Link? It's missing above.

Either way, you are aware of how many million people are in this country?

[kenfrequed]

14. See above..

It was probably Haberman's spin on this.

Still begs the question why this is so terribly offensive in this particular case.

[NCTraveler]

16. Nothing above supports your claim in any way. Nt

[kenfrequed]

22. Do you mind answering the question?

How is a common joke told in a primary somehow specifically offensive in this case?

[arcane1]

5. It's ok when Clinton's people do it.

They live by different rules than we progressives do.

[Agnosticsherbet]

7. John Nance Garner's observation that the office "is not worth a bucket of warm spit."

I didn't consider it Sexist, just their way of belittling her as not ready for the top slot.

From Sanders Reaction, he clearly understood that it was meant as an insult by his campaign staff.

But if you want a good opinion, this worked for me.

Sanders calls his campaign manager’s Clinton VP comments ‘inappropriate’
Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Thursday that some recent comments by his campaign manager about Hillary Rodham Clinton were “inappropriate,” but pushed back against suggestions that he and his team have treated the Democratic front-runner in a sexist fashion.

I agree with him that it was inappropriate for them to belittle his opponent, but I did not see it as sexist.

[kenfrequed]

8. So....

Bernie said it was not sexist, but merely inappropriate.


OK. So how does this disagree with my point.


Also, you got Garner's quote wrong. He didn't say 'spit.'

[Agnosticsherbet]

12. Sanders has determined that his staff did something wrong, belittleling an opponent.

It doesn't have to be sexist to be wrong. In that, I agree with Sanders.

[kenfrequed]

15. Bernie chose to react to it

I wouldn't have.

I don't agree with everything any candidate does or says.

I will return to the question:

How is this different from every other time this joke or half-hearted offer has been made?

[frylock]

18. Was it inappropriate when Clinton's campaign made a similar remark about Obama..

and if so, was everyone who is upset about this instance upset about it then?

[Agnosticsherbet]

24. Sanders said his staff made inappropriate comments.

You should take that up with him.

[frylock]

27. I disagree with him. But I couldn't help but notice you avoided my question altogether..

If it was such an egregious comment today, why wasn't it when Clinton's campaign essentially said the same about Obama? I'm just looking for a little consistency here, something that is always lacking when it comes to Hillary and her supporters.

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Ask Sanders why it was egregious enough?

I accept his word for it.

[frylock]

32. Thanks for your input.

[Agnosticsherbet]

34. You're welcome.

We will chat again sometime.

[TheKentuckian]

21. Baloney, the entire job is to be ready to be President and breaking ties in the Senate.

If someone isn't ready to be President then they aren't qualified for VP.

This entire thing is entitled whining.

[Agnosticsherbet]

25. Are you acusing Sanders of whining?

Sanders said his staff made inappropriate comments. You should ask him to clarify rather than attack him about it.

[TheKentuckian]

35. No, I accuse him of indulging the entitled whining but I guess one has to pick their battles.

[Agnosticsherbet]

36. I think he did the right thing.

[TheKentuckian]

37. Not surprising. I don't subscribe to coddling tantrums, it assures even more of them.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. I think it was inappropriate.

There's no way in hell they should consider Clinton for the VP slot.

[tammywammy]

17. It was condescending and inappropriate. Bernie said it was inappropriate.

Emily's List didn't call it sexist, they said condescending. And Weaver should have known better. I assume Bernie gave him a talking to so no stupid crap like that happens again.

[frylock]

19. Was it condescending and inappropriate when Clinton's campaign made similar remarks about Obama?

If yes, then where was the outrage?

[snagglepuss]

31. Sexism is implied in that statement because male condescension towards women is a

hallmark of a sexist attitude. Condescension is the gist of the phenomena known as mansplaining.

[Vinca]

23. What does it mean? Nothing.

It's just typical campaign BS.

[Nonhlanhla]

33. It was sexist

Of course it was sexist. Women have been told so many times that we're only good enough for the second spot (at most), that there's only so far that we can go, that we can move up in the world, but not too far up. To me (neutral right now in this race, not a Hillary or Bernie supporter) it felt condescending and sexist, basically suggesting that Hillary is only good enough for the second spot. Hillary is the front runner, and she is not running to be some man's second-in-command.

Was it intended as sexist? I don't know. That is irrelevant. Sexism, like racism, is often subliminal, and the offenders are often surprised to hear that others experienced their remarks/actions as sexist/racist, but perhaps they need to listen instead of being defensive.

Kudos to Bernie for recognizing the inappropriateness of the remark.

[jfern]

38. It wasn't the best thing to say, but it wasn't sexist