Minnesota Shocker- Clinton 64% Sanders 20% */ 2008 Obama 66% Clinton 32%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Nov 5 KSTP/SurveyUSA Poll Results Minnesota: Clinton 64% Sanders 20%

http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3952441.shtml

KSTP/SurveyUSA Poll Results



Updated: 11/05/2015 4:55 PM
Created: 11/03/2015 3:49 PM KSTP.com

Sixty-four percent of Minnesota voters think Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States in 2016, according to a new, exclusive KSTP-TV poll conducted by SurveyUSA.

KSTP will be releasing more results from the poll in the coming weeks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Democratic_caucuses,_2008


*who voters think will win

[NurseJackie]

1. Wow!

[Historic NY]

2. But they tell us she's losing.....

everywhere.

[JaneyVee]

3. She's kicking some butt!

[Cha]

4. Yeah, not exactly getting hers kicked.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. How right you are !

[riversedge]

5. k and r for a good day for Hillary

[Dem2]

7. This isn't a poll of who a person would vote for

It's a poll of who do people think will win.

Seems kind of unnecessarily confrontational, am I missing out on some inside joke here?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Confrontational like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772395

[Dem2]

13. Ahhh, so this is part of the boxing match

Eh, not really interested in that, both candidates are good - I wish Democrats didn't feel the need to do this - but this is the internet after all. Seems people are generally conflict averse in real life, but conflict prone when there are no consequences. I feel like this behavior was discouraged by my mother when I was a toddler.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I agree with you but I would be a liar if I didn't say I feel what I am doing is justified...

I agree with you but I would be a liar if I didn't say I feel what I am doing is justified because they started it and refuse to stop.

[upaloopa]

10. Everything seems confrontational to some here. I read yesterday a complaint by a Bernie supporter

that all Hillary supporters post are polls.

I like the polls and hope to see more of them all the way to Nov 2016. Whether they are confrontational or not is in the eyes of the beholder I think.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. At least we don't run around with our hair on fire talking about kicking butts!

EOM

[NurseJackie]

11. I think it's meant to show confidence levels and how the public perceives each campaign.

If a campaign is perceived as being lackluster (or focused with laser precision) then it's probably a good indication of how well they're getting their message out. It's not a reliable predictor of votes, but it's still a good reason for Hillary's supporters to celebrate.

[Dem2]

14. I don't think this place represents real life

Does it?

It was the gif that seemed unnecessary, do you agree?

[NurseJackie]

18. There was a gif?

Low bandwidth here. My browser is configured to block animated gifs. (I miss out on a lot of "extras", but I miss out on them faster.)

[Dem2]

19. Some woman pumping her fists in celebration

Kind of 'in your face' like.

In a prior edit there was a basketball gif with similar overtones. I just thought it was not needed, especially where this poll isn't an actual measurement of who one will vote for but just who one would predict as the winner.

[Gothmog]

8. These are great polling numbers for Clinton

[ismnotwasm]

16. Sweet!

Go team Hillary!

[Sheepshank]

17. Another reason this is nothing like 2008 and the comparisons are just plain wrong.

stron for Hillary.

[spinbaby]

20. What are you comparing?

Looks like you're comparing Bernie's polling results well ahead of the primary to Obama's primary results.

[Bjorn Against]

21. Actually the comparison is even more useless than you suggest

This poll is not asking who the respondents will vote for, it is asking who they think will win. If KSTP did poll who people were going to vote for they did not report the results, and keep in mind that KSTP is a right-wing station, Google the word "Pointergate" if you want to see just how racist and far-right they are.

So what the OP is doing is not comparing polls from five months before the caucuses to the caucus results, he is comparing a poll by a right-wing source that does not even tell us who people are going to vote for to actual election results.

The only "shocker" here is that anyone would think this poll is actually meaningful.

[workinclasszero]

22. BERNIE IS KICKIN BUTT

oh wait....


GO HILLARY!

[ljm2002]

23. Your OP headline is dishonest...

...in implying that you can compare a current poll asking "Who do you think will win?" vs. the results of the caucus in 2008.

No one who is paying attention doubts that this is an uphill battle for Sanders. And I do not have any problem with you bringing this poll to our attention -- it is perfectly legitimate to do so. But your headline is simply dishonest.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. What part of the asterisk I typed in did you deliberately ignore ?

Your OP headline is dishonest...

[ljm2002]

25. Thanks for clarifying...

...I always appreciate it when people are very, very clear about who they are and what their standards are. Thanks for that, it is now out there for all to see and judge for themselves whether that l'il asterisk really changes the overt meaning of your dishonest OP title.

[HerbChestnut]

26. Yeah, this is a misleading OP for several reasons.

First, the current poll asks people who they *think* will win, not who they support.

Second, the comparison to 2008 is disingenuous at best because the 2008 numbers are the final result of that caucus. A January 2008 poll had Clinton at 40% to Obama's 33%.

The message in the OP is clear even if it was unintentional.