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Related: About this forumHillary reminds us that everyone in life (and in politics) has changed a position or two:
Id like everyone to remember this moment from the first debate:
Hillary reminds us that everyone in life (and in politics) has changed a position or two. Unless, of course, you are a Republican and deny facts and logic.
Since Bernie fans are stuck in 2004-John-Kerry-Flip-Flop-Land, Id like to draw attention to Bernie Sanders flip-flops both past and present:
1. Bernie Sanders is now using character assassination tactics meant to hurt Hillarys character and integrity with sexist poll-tested words meant to promote her supposed untrustworthiness (Fox News thanks you for doing what youre doing hurting Hillary for the general election dont pull a Nader!!). Bernie now has a pollster that is throwing mud right out of Karl Roves playbook.
Point is Bernie has flip-flopped rather drastically on negative campaigning.
2. Bernie voted against the Brady Bill 5 times and has flip-flopped on gun manufactures being held accountable for their killing machines. 90+ people die a day from guns 30,000 die from guns a year. But according to Bernie, it is an urban problem he hasnt paid much attention to being from a 95% white, rural state of Vermont. And people wonder why Hillary has higher support among African-Americans? Gun violence is a huge urban issue in the African-American community, which is also linked to police brutality. Bernie just doesnt get it. But Im glad Bernie has finally flip-flopped on the issue of gun control.
3. After declaring Americans are sick of Hillarys e-mails, Bernie is now bringing up the FBI investigation (even though the FBI is investigating the security of the server; Hillary is NOT under direct FBI investigation this is a security check only). Ironically, the State Departments servers were 100% confirmed to have been hacked. The server that was set up originally for President Clinton may have been much, much safer. Regardless, Bernie is (yet again) doing the job of the Koch Brothers by flip-flopping on Hillarys e-mails. Has his quest for power corrupted him this much!?
4. Bernie opposed DOMA on the grounds of states rights only and finally supported gay marriage in 2004. On the contrary, Hillary worked with the Human Rights Campaign as New York Senator and knows the HRC President from back during her days in Arkansas. Hillary was the first First Lady to march in a gay pride parade and she implemented policies and programs as Secretary of State that saved LGBTQ lives worldwide. Bernie is a fraud when it comes to LGBTQ rights and is smearing Hillarys great work on behalf of the gay community. True gay activists are rather outraged over this.
5. Bernie was an Independent. Now hes a Democrat. Why would any of the Democratic super delegates go for someone who has been an Independent for most of his career? The Clintons have been helping the Democratic party in every corner of the United States for decades.
The Clintons have deep roots in Arkansas and the South a legacy of success and support (even among those that vote Republican). Hillary might not win these states in a general election, but she will help reverse the fact that when Democrats dont vote in non-Presidential elections, the GOP takes control of state legislatures:
31 | Republican legislatures
11 | Democratic legislatures
8 | Split legislatures
This Obama-era sweep of state legislatures has resulted in devastating consequences on a local-level: the defunding of Planned Parenthood, attacks on voting rights, gerrymandering, and the denial of human rights to LGBTQ Americans.
The Clintons know how to fight fire with fire. It takes $$$ to beat $$$. During the Benghazi-hearings, Hillary proved (yet again) she can take on the GOP anytime, anywhere.
The Clintons are going to criss-cross the United States, building the political infrastructure needed to change the system through the system.
But Im glad Bernie has finally flipped-flopped from being an Independent to a Democratic Socialist.
VOTE BLUE.
#teamCLINTON
#RODHAM2016
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Hillary reminds us that everyone in life (and in politics) has changed a position or two: (Original Post)
JTShroyer
Nov 2015
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Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)1. Here is an interesting take and some excellent info.:
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/now-bernie-sanders-cares-about-hillary
"At the end of the day, we must come together to support whoever the candidate is. The main goal of every single person on the left has to be to keep Republicans from winning the White House in 2016. Not only is the White House up for grabs, but Democrats have a real shot at reclaiming a majority in the Senate. And with the power of the Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years, the future of the Affordable Care Act, the progress on gay rights and all the other strides we've made in this country hanging in the balance, we cannot afford to let petty apathy or any other childish bullshit allow the GOP to come in and set this country back decades.
The only way Republicans accomplish that is if liberals let them."
"At the end of the day, we must come together to support whoever the candidate is. The main goal of every single person on the left has to be to keep Republicans from winning the White House in 2016. Not only is the White House up for grabs, but Democrats have a real shot at reclaiming a majority in the Senate. And with the power of the Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years, the future of the Affordable Care Act, the progress on gay rights and all the other strides we've made in this country hanging in the balance, we cannot afford to let petty apathy or any other childish bullshit allow the GOP to come in and set this country back decades.
The only way Republicans accomplish that is if liberals let them."
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)2. Right, Fred
That is why we must defeat all the PUMA posters.
The great thing about Bernie running, and Obama even said so, is that he brings new blood into the party and excitement to the race. The PUMA people are working to ruin that.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)3. The only thing that matters at the end is electability. She isn't.
And, that's always been the issue with HRC because of her astonishingly high negatives. That part just gets worse as we approach the GE. Are Hillary's supporters simply taking it on faith that will change? And we call Carson crackers. . .
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)4. #4 is full tilt bullshit and I am so tired of the exploitative lectures.
Don't try to preach to a choir you don't sing in. Lying about important things means you see them as trivial, not meriting respect. That is the message you are sending.