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Hillary Was the Most Polished and Presidential (Original Post) firebrand80 Nov 2015 OP
I switched 5 minutes after she started. 840high Nov 2015 #1
You missed the part about BLM and the mothers. leftofcool Nov 2015 #5
Yes, she spoke about how she wants to keep the racist death penalty jfern Nov 2015 #10
You obviously weren't paying attention leftofcool Nov 2015 #12
The death penalty is inherently racist, why isn't she opposed to it? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #23
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #31
Campaign Zero also rates Bernie and then O'Malley top 2 on racial justice jfern Nov 2015 #46
There is a federal death row jfern Nov 2015 #45
The only one that the federal government okasha Nov 2015 #50
Shhhh - 840high Nov 2015 #29
It was one of her finest moments of the forum. riversedge Nov 2015 #19
she wagged her finger at wall street. wow. roguevalley Nov 2015 #55
Agreed... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #2
She was excellent when talking about BLM and the mothers of the deceased leftofcool Nov 2015 #3
Absolutely! She by far had the hardest questions with R B Garr Nov 2015 #4
Bernie screwed up with his comments about "white working class folks" leftofcool Nov 2015 #7
Lol, really? He was talking about bringing working class republicans over jkbRN Nov 2015 #13
Totally dismissing the fact that PoC actually work too leftofcool Nov 2015 #14
Okay, maybe you need to re-read my previous comment, jkbRN Nov 2015 #17
Uh, I think you need to rewatch that clip, jkbRN Nov 2015 #16
Nope, I understood him perfectly leftofcool Nov 2015 #24
Yeah, what a dope. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #21
He was making a point about rural whites in the South, rural area in Michigan, Kansas, etc etc.. tokenlib Nov 2015 #27
Bernie really needs to stop using the term "working class white people" leftofcool Nov 2015 #30
Not in this context. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #33
Okie dokie! leftofcool Nov 2015 #36
His supporters are intelligent enough to understand context. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #37
LMAO! leftofcool Nov 2015 #38
It is only a problem when Hillary says it. bravenak Nov 2015 #41
Hillary famously said "hard working white folks" when running against Obama dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #51
But, but, but okasha Nov 2015 #53
wtf? dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #54
some have past into a cult mind think. roguevalley Nov 2015 #56
Why not just use the word "people?"He DOES.That is his point. Armstead Nov 2015 #58
Yes, I cringed when he said that! nt R B Garr Nov 2015 #44
It's all a matter of personal perception. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #6
They got the same questions and I admit she knows a lot. Avalux Nov 2015 #8
Bernie has been involved in politics longer than Hillary in some very glinda Nov 2015 #11
Words with no plan of action. 840high Nov 2015 #32
+1 frylock Nov 2015 #39
+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #42
Most fake Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #9
Polished and composed and Wall Street Corporatists in the shadows... tokenlib Nov 2015 #15
And in 1992, Bill Clinton was more polished Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #18
In YOUR opinion. In MY opinion she missed several opportuntiies Fearless Nov 2015 #20
I'm watching right now on the West Coast. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #22
Those are effective narratives, for sure. Avalux Nov 2015 #26
she said things needed fixing but offered nothing. She can't roguevalley Nov 2015 #57
I'd have to say Hillary spoke like a chief executive who knew every facet oasis Nov 2015 #25
The CEO still reports to the Board of Directors. And we all know who HRC's are. Thanks FEC!!! n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #28
I'm among those who have faith in the Democrats they elect to high office. oasis Nov 2015 #40
The government is not a business and should not be run like one. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #43
Everyone got same questions. As far 840high Nov 2015 #34
+1. We've had enough shinola from candidates. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #47
Ronald Reagan was "polished and presidential" too. Of all the qualities 1monster Nov 2015 #35
Agreed. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #48
Yup that shiny corporate money has her all polished and rehearsed. No real solutions onecaliberal Nov 2015 #49
She is polished but Bernie is Polish! dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #52
Polished = very adept at not answering questions or tipping her hand on anything n/t eridani Nov 2015 #59

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
5. You missed the part about BLM and the mothers.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:02 AM
Nov 2015

Too bad, because she spoke to racial issues, one of the top issues facing our country.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
10. Yes, she spoke about how she wants to keep the racist death penalty
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:09 AM
Nov 2015

I guess she's fine with 42% of those on death row being black.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
12. You obviously weren't paying attention
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:12 AM
Nov 2015

You do understand that the Federal Government does not get to decide who goes on death row, right? At least not on the State level.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. The death penalty is inherently racist, why isn't she opposed to it?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:32 AM
Nov 2015

Bernie has opposed the DP his entire career and I'm sure Martin has as well.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
45. There is a federal death row
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:22 AM
Nov 2015

And the federal government could do things to restrict states having the death penalty, such as bills, judicial rulings, and executive orders.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
50. The only one that the federal government
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 03:28 AM
Nov 2015

could use to limit the death penalty is court decisions. That depends very much on cases litigated and the dispostion of the judges. Unfortunately, the constitutionality of the death penalty is already a matter of settled law. That means it is one of those "powers reserved to the states" and otherwise beyond federal intervention.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
3. She was excellent when talking about BLM and the mothers of the deceased
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:00 AM
Nov 2015

She is always polished and in control.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
4. Absolutely! She by far had the hardest questions with
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:01 AM
Nov 2015

the most substantive follow-up questions. Bernie just stuck with his tired applause lines. Hillary looked ready to take over right now. Bernie doesn't look ready for prime time.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
7. Bernie screwed up with his comments about "white working class folks"
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:05 AM
Nov 2015

He totally dismissed that PoC work too.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
13. Lol, really? He was talking about bringing working class republicans over
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:15 AM
Nov 2015

to the party that benefits their interests (the Democratic Party). Now, if you can find me some statistic where it shows that WHITE people dont make up the majority of the demographic of the republican party, then yeah, his comment would have been inappropriate. But, the truth is that white people do make up the majority of that party. Don't take things out of context. On that note, what cannot be taken out of context is that HRC was asked a question about the minority community, and ended up talking about the white ppl facing challenges. Wtf. Lol.

"White middle aged Americans are dying earlier and we have a terrible crisis about health".

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
14. Totally dismissing the fact that PoC actually work too
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:20 AM
Nov 2015

And yea, even Republican PoC work ya know. Hillary did very well talking about the minority community and about her meetings with mothers of those killed by cops.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
17. Okay, maybe you need to re-read my previous comment,
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:23 AM
Nov 2015

Because it still seems like you don't understand what the context was.

There are not many POC in the Republican Party. Hello. Wake up. Like I said, *majority*

jkbRN

(850 posts)
16. Uh, I think you need to rewatch that clip,
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:21 AM
Nov 2015

And then come back here and summarize the context, and hopefully then you'll be able to understand you are taking the comment out of context--and that is intellectually dishonest.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
21. Yeah, what a dope.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:30 AM
Nov 2015

EVERYONE knows the future of the party is with boomers. And it's so much more satisfying and effective to think about how much smarter we are than the white working class rubes who vote against their own interests every election!

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
27. He was making a point about rural whites in the South, rural area in Michigan, Kansas, etc etc..
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:43 AM
Nov 2015

You are distorting what he said. It had nothing to do with people of color, it was not meant as a diss to people of color.. Stop twisting his intent!! Those of us who live in those rural areas know damn well what he was trying to say.. and it wasn't a bad thing. He cares about minorities and people of color too..stop the crap!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
30. Bernie really needs to stop using the term "working class white people"
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

Why not just use the word "people?" And by the way, I also live in a rural area and around here, we don't refer to our neighbors as "working class white people." We just say "hard working folks." See how inclusive that is?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. Not in this context.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:52 AM
Nov 2015

Keep digging and try to forget which candidate actually used those words the way you're implying:



leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
36. Okie dokie!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:02 AM
Nov 2015

I really hope that he continues to use that term. I don't think it does him any favors but if his supporters like it, so be it.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
51. Hillary famously said "hard working white folks" when running against Obama
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 03:30 AM
Nov 2015

You really should stay away from this issue, your candidate has no moral high ground here whatsoever.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
58. Why not just use the word "people?"He DOES.That is his point.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:41 AM
Nov 2015

He is saying a straightforward truth -- issues of jobs, wages and other aspects of economic justice affect everyone regardless of race creed and color, or ideology.

The problem is when he addresses that people misinterpret him, and use it against him.

You may disagree with Sanders on issues, or on his merits as a candidate or just don't like him. That's fine. But at least please listen to what he is actually saying, and what his message actually is.

He is saying that raising wages, access to healthcare and college etc. benefits the white rednecks in the rural south, the AA communities in northern cities and the struggling middle class in the suburbs and all other segments of the 90 percent.

He is saying that we should at least come together on those common core issues, rather than dividing ourselves up by demographics, or differences over ideology on other issues . We will ALL do better if we work together on those issues as a larger coalition to resolve the common economic interests will benefit everyone in the 90 percent. The Big Tent, rather than small warrng camps.

None of this stuff is simple, obviously.

But he is NOT is glossing over racism or the specific economic issues affecting POC. He makes a point of mentioning that racial disparities are an important facet of it that we have to deal with. He always mentions high poverty and unemployment rates among AAs and how a focus has to be on providing economic opportunity.

At the same time, his statements about "white working class people voting against their own interests" are also totally consistent with that. That working class whites have to stop voting for the GOP and policies that are screwing them too. It's the question that the Democratic Party has been struggling to resolve for years. ("What's the Matter with Kansas" problem, as it has so often been referred to.)

Yes, there are bigoted assholes who will never see beyond their prejudices, and fundies who are convinced Jesus is a Republican, or people who have a core belief that abortion is murder and could never support a pro-choice candidate.

But they're not who he is talking about. There are also a lot of people who have either become cynical or apathetic, or who vote GOP/conservative by default -- but who are persuadable. They are open to reason, if given an alternative that speaks to their self-interest and/or sense of basic decency and caring for their neighbors.







Avalux

(35,015 posts)
8. They got the same questions and I admit she knows a lot.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:06 AM
Nov 2015

But knowing a lot, and offering workable, progressive solutions, are two different things.
Hillary says "we need to discuss" and "why is this happening" after presenting a plethora of statistics and personal anecdotes about various groups of Americans, yet never offers any feasible way forward. She never says "when I'm president" or "I'm going to do this" or "I will take this action".

She is a consummate politician; if that's what you mean by saying she was the most presidential, then I agree.

That's not what we need this election.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
11. Bernie has been involved in politics longer than Hillary in some very
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:10 AM
Nov 2015

diverse areas of interest. He is well rounded as a candidate. Loads of experience as well as life experience. He is a deep thinker. Thoughtful and is able to see ahead.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
15. Polished and composed and Wall Street Corporatists in the shadows...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:21 AM
Nov 2015

Polish and demeanor and knowledgeable and smooth don't cut it with me. She is supported by those who benefit from the "rigged economy"...and I can't look past that...

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
18. And in 1992, Bill Clinton was more polished
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:24 AM
Nov 2015

...than Jerry Brown. Bill Clinton also took bigger donations. We probably would have gotten a more liberal presidency if Jerry Brown had won.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
20. In YOUR opinion. In MY opinion she missed several opportuntiies
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:28 AM
Nov 2015

She NEVER mentioned race once when talking about the criminal justice system and the death penalty for instance

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
22. I'm watching right now on the West Coast.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:32 AM
Nov 2015

Love her answers on children and poverty in education. Now talking about her meeting with the mothers of slain Black children.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
57. she said things needed fixing but offered nothing. She can't
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:57 AM
Nov 2015

take positions because then she has to act. Her billionaire owners want ten back on every dollar they gave her and she can't have two masters, us and them. She has chosen her path. She will wag her finger and notice, she didn't wag her finger at the banks when she went to wall street to tell them to cut it out, she went to Nasdaq.

Nasdaq is a market for tech stocks and not the home mortgage banks shit. she didn't wag her finger at the banks that have given her millions. its other guys. remember that.

She told them to 'stop it'? wtf! wow. that was effective. so she sees a problem and doesn't make legislation to make it stop? She doesn't even try, maybe having it on the record even if it doesn't pass to show she gives a shit? No. She wags her finger. What a heroic leadership profile that is(n't)

not supporting glass-steagell is enough to cost her the job alone

oasis

(49,388 posts)
25. I'd have to say Hillary spoke like a chief executive who knew every facet
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:37 AM
Nov 2015

of her company's operation. She's definitely the one.

oasis

(49,388 posts)
40. I'm among those who have faith in the Democrats they elect to high office.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:24 AM
Nov 2015

Bill did right by us, and so will Hill.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
43. The government is not a business and should not be run like one.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:32 AM
Nov 2015

I don't want a CEO or any royalty, tyvm.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
35. Ronald Reagan was "polished and presidential" too. Of all the qualities
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:02 AM
Nov 2015

any candidate brings to the table, those two are the least substantial.

I'm not supporting Hillary, but I sure you could come up with something better than that.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
49. Yup that shiny corporate money has her all polished and rehearsed. No real solutions
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:48 AM
Nov 2015

To any of the problem we face.

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