2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Was the Most Polished and Presidential
Nothing against the other candidates, but she got the toughest questions and proved to be the most knowledgeable and ready to be President.
It wasn't even close, to be honest.
840high
(17,196 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Too bad, because she spoke to racial issues, one of the top issues facing our country.
jfern
(5,204 posts)I guess she's fine with 42% of those on death row being black.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)You do understand that the Federal Government does not get to decide who goes on death row, right? At least not on the State level.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie has opposed the DP his entire career and I'm sure Martin has as well.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)She really doesn't care.
jfern
(5,204 posts)And the federal government could do things to restrict states having the death penalty, such as bills, judicial rulings, and executive orders.
okasha
(11,573 posts)could use to limit the death penalty is court decisions. That depends very much on cases litigated and the dispostion of the judges. Unfortunately, the constitutionality of the death penalty is already a matter of settled law. That means it is one of those "powers reserved to the states" and otherwise beyond federal intervention.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)She is always polished and in control.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)the most substantive follow-up questions. Bernie just stuck with his tired applause lines. Hillary looked ready to take over right now. Bernie doesn't look ready for prime time.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He totally dismissed that PoC work too.
jkbRN
(850 posts)to the party that benefits their interests (the Democratic Party). Now, if you can find me some statistic where it shows that WHITE people dont make up the majority of the demographic of the republican party, then yeah, his comment would have been inappropriate. But, the truth is that white people do make up the majority of that party. Don't take things out of context. On that note, what cannot be taken out of context is that HRC was asked a question about the minority community, and ended up talking about the white ppl facing challenges. Wtf. Lol.
"White middle aged Americans are dying earlier and we have a terrible crisis about health".
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And yea, even Republican PoC work ya know. Hillary did very well talking about the minority community and about her meetings with mothers of those killed by cops.
jkbRN
(850 posts)Because it still seems like you don't understand what the context was.
There are not many POC in the Republican Party. Hello. Wake up. Like I said, *majority*
jkbRN
(850 posts)And then come back here and summarize the context, and hopefully then you'll be able to understand you are taking the comment out of context--and that is intellectually dishonest.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)EVERYONE knows the future of the party is with boomers. And it's so much more satisfying and effective to think about how much smarter we are than the white working class rubes who vote against their own interests every election!
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)You are distorting what he said. It had nothing to do with people of color, it was not meant as a diss to people of color.. Stop twisting his intent!! Those of us who live in those rural areas know damn well what he was trying to say.. and it wasn't a bad thing. He cares about minorities and people of color too..stop the crap!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Why not just use the word "people?" And by the way, I also live in a rural area and around here, we don't refer to our neighbors as "working class white people." We just say "hard working folks." See how inclusive that is?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Keep digging and try to forget which candidate actually used those words the way you're implying:
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I really hope that he continues to use that term. I don't think it does him any favors but if his supporters like it, so be it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Better luck next time.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)You really should stay away from this issue, your candidate has no moral high ground here whatsoever.
okasha
(11,573 posts)he's Bernie Christ, Superstar!
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)He is saying a straightforward truth -- issues of jobs, wages and other aspects of economic justice affect everyone regardless of race creed and color, or ideology.
The problem is when he addresses that people misinterpret him, and use it against him.
You may disagree with Sanders on issues, or on his merits as a candidate or just don't like him. That's fine. But at least please listen to what he is actually saying, and what his message actually is.
He is saying that raising wages, access to healthcare and college etc. benefits the white rednecks in the rural south, the AA communities in northern cities and the struggling middle class in the suburbs and all other segments of the 90 percent.
He is saying that we should at least come together on those common core issues, rather than dividing ourselves up by demographics, or differences over ideology on other issues . We will ALL do better if we work together on those issues as a larger coalition to resolve the common economic interests will benefit everyone in the 90 percent. The Big Tent, rather than small warrng camps.
None of this stuff is simple, obviously.
But he is NOT is glossing over racism or the specific economic issues affecting POC. He makes a point of mentioning that racial disparities are an important facet of it that we have to deal with. He always mentions high poverty and unemployment rates among AAs and how a focus has to be on providing economic opportunity.
At the same time, his statements about "white working class people voting against their own interests" are also totally consistent with that. That working class whites have to stop voting for the GOP and policies that are screwing them too. It's the question that the Democratic Party has been struggling to resolve for years. ("What's the Matter with Kansas" problem, as it has so often been referred to.)
Yes, there are bigoted assholes who will never see beyond their prejudices, and fundies who are convinced Jesus is a Republican, or people who have a core belief that abortion is murder and could never support a pro-choice candidate.
But they're not who he is talking about. There are also a lot of people who have either become cynical or apathetic, or who vote GOP/conservative by default -- but who are persuadable. They are open to reason, if given an alternative that speaks to their self-interest and/or sense of basic decency and caring for their neighbors.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)But knowing a lot, and offering workable, progressive solutions, are two different things.
Hillary says "we need to discuss" and "why is this happening" after presenting a plethora of statistics and personal anecdotes about various groups of Americans, yet never offers any feasible way forward. She never says "when I'm president" or "I'm going to do this" or "I will take this action".
She is a consummate politician; if that's what you mean by saying she was the most presidential, then I agree.
That's not what we need this election.
glinda
(14,807 posts)diverse areas of interest. He is well rounded as a candidate. Loads of experience as well as life experience. He is a deep thinker. Thoughtful and is able to see ahead.
840high
(17,196 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Martin and Bernie were passionate and were presidential
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)Polish and demeanor and knowledgeable and smooth don't cut it with me. She is supported by those who benefit from the "rigged economy"...and I can't look past that...
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...than Jerry Brown. Bill Clinton also took bigger donations. We probably would have gotten a more liberal presidency if Jerry Brown had won.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)She NEVER mentioned race once when talking about the criminal justice system and the death penalty for instance
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Love her answers on children and poverty in education. Now talking about her meeting with the mothers of slain Black children.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)But what is she actually going to DO about them?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)take positions because then she has to act. Her billionaire owners want ten back on every dollar they gave her and she can't have two masters, us and them. She has chosen her path. She will wag her finger and notice, she didn't wag her finger at the banks when she went to wall street to tell them to cut it out, she went to Nasdaq.
Nasdaq is a market for tech stocks and not the home mortgage banks shit. she didn't wag her finger at the banks that have given her millions. its other guys. remember that.
She told them to 'stop it'? wtf! wow. that was effective. so she sees a problem and doesn't make legislation to make it stop? She doesn't even try, maybe having it on the record even if it doesn't pass to show she gives a shit? No. She wags her finger. What a heroic leadership profile that is(n't)
not supporting glass-steagell is enough to cost her the job alone
oasis
(49,388 posts)of her company's operation. She's definitely the one.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)oasis
(49,388 posts)Bill did right by us, and so will Hill.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I don't want a CEO or any royalty, tyvm.
840high
(17,196 posts)as polished - I want honesty not polish.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)1monster
(11,012 posts)any candidate brings to the table, those two are the least substantial.
I'm not supporting Hillary, but I sure you could come up with something better than that.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)To any of the problem we face.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and genuine.