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tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:52 AM Nov 2015

Policies, positions, and history should matter more than alleged "appearance and demeanor"..

Reagan "looked" presidential. and look at what he did for us... Who will stand with the 99%?
Who will stop the excesses of Wall Street and the big banks without being bankrolled by them?
Weasel words on Social Security when most people have no retirement savings? Take your "looking presidential" with "Third Way" approval and shove it....

Defend Hillary's positions and the track records of her and her friends... Appearances and demeanor??

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Policies, positions, and history should matter more than alleged "appearance and demeanor".. (Original Post) tokenlib Nov 2015 OP
third-way is a third party marym625 Nov 2015 #1
Agreed; but, we live in a social and superficial world. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #2
Doesn't mean you have to succumb to it. Snotcicles Nov 2015 #12
Reagan looked presidential?? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #3
I agree with you, but the legend perpetuated is otherwise...n/t tokenlib Nov 2015 #9
Perception is reality MohRokTah Nov 2015 #4
To vote for her is tantamount to saying: "It doesn't matter." Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #5
To vote for her is tantamount to saying: "It doesn't matter." upaloopa Nov 2015 #10
I agree Smarmie. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #15
Hey, you're not suggesting that Hillary's supporters are so shallow as to care about looks, are you? Scuba Nov 2015 #6
They apparently think it sells..So many "she looked so presidential" threads and comments.... tokenlib Nov 2015 #7
I believe they said that about McKinley too, that he looked the part. Lousy President. Scuba Nov 2015 #8
But if it wasn't for McKinley, we wouldn't have had Pres Teddy Roosevelt... tokenlib Nov 2015 #13
Despite the total absence of wrong-doing, we heard that the email 'scandal' did not look good. randome Nov 2015 #11
Cannot agree with the OP Boomer Nov 2015 #14
+1 (Excellent post.) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #16
Thanks, Nurse Jackie (love that show too!) Boomer Nov 2015 #18
I took an online quiz the other day, NurseJackie Nov 2015 #19
People make their own minds up using -whatever-... HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #17
 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
12. Doesn't mean you have to succumb to it.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:48 PM
Nov 2015

Antonio Porchia: Among the superficial, if you are not one of them, one of them has to lead you by the hand.
And another of his.
Antonio Porchia: When the superficial wearies me, it wearies me so much that I need an abyss in order to rest.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
4. Perception is reality
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:00 AM
Nov 2015

It's what gets people elected, and if you're not elected, your policy positions mean precisely nothing.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. To vote for her is tantamount to saying: "It doesn't matter."
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:00 AM
Nov 2015

>>>>Who will stop the excesses of Wall Street and the big banks without being bankrolled by them? >>>>>

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. To vote for her is tantamount to saying: "It doesn't matter."
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:57 AM
Nov 2015

In your world
In your mind
In your opinion
You speak for you nobody else.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
7. They apparently think it sells..So many "she looked so presidential" threads and comments....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

..while ignoring positions and track record. Follow the money...

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
13. But if it wasn't for McKinley, we wouldn't have had Pres Teddy Roosevelt...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:21 PM
Nov 2015

And he wanted to break the power of the trusts.. just as we need to break the power of the big banks and the 1%

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Despite the total absence of wrong-doing, we heard that the email 'scandal' did not look good.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

If that's not superficial hand-wringing, what is?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
14. Cannot agree with the OP
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:48 PM
Nov 2015

"Appearance and demeanor" are part of the job description for president, added on to their policy position. The president's role is to inspire confidence, to lead, to represent us both here and abroad.

This isn't a superficial quality, but neither should it be the ONLY quality of a president. The ideal candidate would be someone with integrity, admirable policies, and the appearance and demeanor to convey that vision to the world. In reality no one person easily encompasses all these qualities. To my mind, FDR was the last president to nail it on all counts.

Until we get another FDR, and I don't see one on the horizon, we just have to accept that most candidates are a bit weak on one point or another.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
16. +1 (Excellent post.)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:54 PM
Nov 2015
"This isn't a superficial quality, but neither should it be the ONLY quality of a president. The ideal candidate would be someone with integrity, admirable policies, and the appearance and demeanor to convey that vision to the world."

Perfect summary.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
18. Thanks, Nurse Jackie (love that show too!)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:19 PM
Nov 2015

In terms of our current crop of Democrats running for the presidential nomination, Sanders most closely matches my policy desires, but Clinton is outstanding in "looks presidential". She has the most depth of experience, especially in foreign policy and relationships with global leaders.

So I'm torn, but ultimately Sanders is my first choice because HRC (to my mind) falls too far short of consistent policy commitments.

If HRC does win the nomination (as is expected), then that's who I'll vote for in the general election and I'll take some comfort in her ability to perform the role in a distinguished manner.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. I took an online quiz the other day,
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:41 PM
Nov 2015

... and Bernie matched me at 97%, Hillary matched me with 95%. She's still my first choice, and you explained my feelings perfectly ... but if necessary, I'll feel better about casting my vote for him.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
17. People make their own minds up using -whatever-...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:07 PM
Nov 2015

Been that way as long as I've been paying attention... and that goes back to Kennedy vs Brown, Smathers, McClain (sp?), and good ol' Adlai -I walked a hole in my shoes campaigning and all it got me was sore feet-Stephenson

Some people only vote for people they are told can 'win'. Wouldn't want a precious vote wasted on 'a loser'.

Some people apparently are willing to vote on ethnicity and gender.

Some people may pay attention to policy but have litmus tests/hair triggers re specific issues.

It's millions of singularities drifting along with the milieu, a chaos with candidates attempting to establish functions that make them strange attractors.

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