Just Listened To The Replay Of Last Nights Forum.....

[global1]

I was particularly drawn to the first question Rachel posed to Hillary - about starting out in Arkansas - but winding up in New York after Bill's presidency. I believe that the move to NY State was a strategic move to begin her run for the presidency for herself. She targeted NY State - because she wanted to be a Senator from a big important state. I believe she could have probably gone back to Arkansas and run for the Senate and win there - but - Arkansas doesn't have the impact to a presidential resume' as NY State has.

It was also interesting that she hid behind her being Senator from the State of New York - when she was asked about her big money donations from Wall St; her speaking jobs from Wall St.; etc. She seemed to use that she was the Senator of NY State as an excuse that she catered to the big money of Wall St. - where in my opinion she was already campaigning for her ultimate goal of becoming the first woman president.

Paraphrasing her answer - I was the Senator for all of NY State and therefore I had to cater to Wall St too.

As much as she says she went to Wall St and wagged her finger at them and told them to stop their greedy ways - she had no impact on them. We fell into an economic recession anyway. It sounds good as to what she says about her finger wagging - but in reality - Wall St. is in her back pocket and nothing will change going forward for the Wall St. banksters should she be elected president.

In contrast - either Bernie or O'Malley will push for change in this area - Hillary will be the status quo candidate for the Wall St banksters.

[cantbeserious]

1. Yes - HRC - The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment Candidate - Will Always Protect Wall Street

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[NV Whino]

2. You are spot on.

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. I am reposting my OP from the African-American Group ...

My impression of the candidates at Democratic Candidate's Forum ...

I missed most of Martin O'Malley's segment, so I have no impression; but, of HRC and Bernie, I came away thinking ...

Bernie was saying: "I know the problems, you know the problem, I have my thoughts; and, here is the answer. Get behind me and let's make it happen."

HRC was saying: I know the problems, you know the problem, I have my thoughts answer; but, let's get together and figure it out, so we can make it happen."

Personally, I see the latter as the more practical, and my preferred, approach.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Okay. N/T

[Android3.14]

12. I doubt these are your opinons

[leftofcool]

16. What? A Black man can't have opinions now?

Got it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Unless he runs them by your interlocutor first, I guess.

EOM

[Android3.14]

38. Hello-ello-ello-ello. Is anyone in there-there-there?

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Whose opinion do you think I've written? n/t

[Fred Sanders]

18. You could close the daylight between Sanders on the issues and Clinton with a sheet of paper...

stealing all of Sanders from-the-left thunder was practical, necessary and brilliant.

[Android3.14]

39. Well, except for the important stuff like war, race, civil rights, corporate control and trust

[EndElectoral]

47. Thanks for the table..

[Android3.14]

48. No prob. Go Bernie!

[Armstead]

21. I don't understand your distinctions here

"I have my thoughts; and, here is the answer. " If he has his thoughts, and also thinks he knows the answer, aren't these clauses mutually contradictory?

Similar to what you characterize Clinton. "I have my thoughts answer; but, let's get together and figure it out, so we can make it happen."

[alfredo]

37. O'Malley did well. He helped himself last night.

[DanTex]

4. So, instead of listening to what she actually says, you just substitute your own answers for hers.

I can see the appeal. For example, paraphrasing Bernie's answer on gun control, basically he was saying that he just doesn't care about people who get shot.

Wow, this is fun!

[Fred Sanders]

19. Paraphrasing and clipped quotes to make a point not actually made is an insult to intelligence.

If I want that I can read the corporate newspapers.

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. How is this ...

It was also interesting that she hid behind her being Senator from the State of New York - when she was asked about her big money donations from Wall St; her speaking jobs from Wall St.; etc. She seemed to use that she was the Senator of NY State as an excuse that she catered to the big money of Wall St. - where in my opinion she was already campaigning for her ultimate goal of becoming the first woman president.

Paraphrasing her answer - I was the Senator for all of NY State and therefore I had to cater to Wall St too.

any different from Bernie's explanation for his Brady Bill votes?

[think]

9. Hillary was paid over $3 million in 2013 alone to speak to banks that screwed America

on multiple occasions. Banks that violated US laws, rigged markets, and bilked their clients out of billions.

The Brady bill was one gun bill over 20 years ago. Sander's has repeatedly supported bans on assault weapons since that time.

Last year Hillary campaigned for Alison Lundergan Grimes who is big 2nd amendment supporter and a proud member of the NRA.

Grimes mentioned her longstanding invitation to meet McConnell at a gun range, before saying she opposes banning assault weapons but is open to considering changes to how guns are purchased at gun shows. "You shouldn't have different standards when you go to a gun store versus a gun show," Grimes said.
Grimes said she is a "big supporter" of the 2nd Amendment and does not believe that banning weapons "is the way to actually reduce the violence that we see here in the US." Instead, she said, the government should work harder "to make sure we educate people and that we enforce the law."

When the Herald-Leader submitted a questionnaire to the Senate campaigns in May, Grimes responded to a question about requiring background checks at gun shows by saying that she supports "reasonable background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill." She said at the time, "However, these efforts should not infringe upon the right of law-abiding Americans to possess firearms."

Source: Lexington Herald Leader on 2014 Kentucky Senate race , Sep 25, 2014

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Alison_Grimes_Gun_Control.htm

Apparently she only cares about Sander's record on gun control.

Ya. There are some huge differences....

[alfredo]

40. We needed Grimes to protect the vote, and she has.

Her opponent wanted to change the ID requirements to fight "voter fraud." Our ID laws work just fine. I'm a long time precinct judge. Not once have witnessed any voter impersonation.

[JaneyVee]

6. Bernie has been in govt 40 years and had 0 impact on Wall Street.

Hillary: She was early to call for tougher regulation of financial derivatives and private-equity markets, and in a 2007 speech called for major federal intervention in the market for subprime loans, arguing that “we need to acknowledge that Wall Street has played a significant role in our current problems, and in particular the housing crisis.”

And: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/15/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-called-wall-street-regula/

And she had to deal with Bush. What's Bernie excuse, he had a super majority.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Usually the mayor of Burlington vt is the most feared

man on Wall Street. Bernie sure dropped the ball on that.

[ms liberty]

14. Bernie had a super majority? When was that?

[pinebox]

34. Bernie has had a massive impact on Wall Street

Let's look at a few things shall we?
Considering Bernie is in the top 10% of all productive Senators and has the name "the amendment king", you'd think you know better. Oh and there's more than this too!

Can you please show us all the bills Hillary introduced to protect the American people?

S.1206 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
Too Big To Fail, Too Big To Exist Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/06/2015)

S.2411 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
United States Employee Ownership Bank Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 06/02/2014)

S.1018 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
Federal Reserve Independence Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/22/2013)

S.685 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
Too Big to Fail, Too Big to Exist Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 04/09/2013)

S.471 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
Fair Access to Credit Scores Act of 2013
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 03/06/2013)

S.3419 — 112th Congress (2011-2012)
United States Employee Ownership Bank Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 07/23/2012)

S.3219 — 112th Congress (2011-2012)
Federal Reserve Independence Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/22/2012)

S.2914 — 111th Congress (2009-2010)
United States Employee Ownership Bank Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 12/18/2009)

S.2746 — 111th Congress (2009-2010)
Too Big to Fail, Too Big to Exist Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 11/05/2009)

S.604 — 111th Congress (2009-2010)
Federal Reserve Sunshine Act of 2009
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 03/16/2009)

S.582 — 111th Congress (2009-2010)
Interest Rate Reduction Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 03/12/2009)

S.513 — 111th Congress (2009-2010)
Federal Reserve Transparency Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 03/03/2009)

S.400 — 111th Congress (2009-2010)
Financial Crisis Investigation Act of 2009
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 02/09/2009)

S.3693 — 110th Congress (2007-2008)
Stop the Greed on Wall Street Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 11/19/2008)

S.1982 — 110th Congress (2007-2008)
United States Employee Ownership Bank Act
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 08/02/2007)

H.R.2969 — 108th Congress (2003-2004)
United States Employee Ownership Bank Act
Sponsor: Rep. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT-At Large] (Introduced 07/25/2003)

H.R.3494 — 106th Congress (1999-2000)
State and Local Automated Teller Machine Regulation Protection Act of 1999
Sponsor: Rep. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT-At Large] (Introduced 11/18/1999)

[Action_Patrol]

36. How much of that was signed into Law?

[pinebox]

41. Show us what Hillary has done

please, go ahead and show us.

[Action_Patrol]

44. What does my question

Have ANYTHING to do with Hillary Clinton?
It was a follow up to your post.
This shit is ridiculous. Never mind.

[alfredo]

43. Our super majority only lasted a few weeks.

Ted Kennedy dying didn't help.

[winter is coming]

50. I'm more concerned with the impact Wall Street has had on the candidates

than the impact the candidates have had on Wall Street. Bernie may not accomplish all he'd like to do, but at least I know he'll make an honest effort.

[Bread and Circus]

7. Actually yeah why did she pick NY State as opposed to Arkanasas or Illinois or anywhere else?

Why New York?

[OKNancy]

23. I posted the reason in post #22.

[Autumn]

8. Yes but keep in mind a stern "cut it out" will do the trick.

I didn't get to watch it but who did she suggest putting in "time out"?

[Fuddnik]

13. Did she kiss Jamie Dimons presidential cufflinks before her stern rebuke?

[SoapBox]

24. Dimon...

That crook should be in jail.

Who has that picture of her and Dimon at that dinner table...laughing!

[leftofcool]

17. Yea, we all saw the Bernie group post about kids in time out.

If you had ever been a teacher you would know that that is a damn site better than having some stupid cop drag a kid out of the classroom. Sheesh!

[Autumn]

20. So she was talking about the kids? You don't have to be a teacher or a candidate to know that.

An idiot knows kids who misbehave should be put in time out. Kid's being put in time out isn't a solution when a police man beats the fucking shit out of them. Sheesh! I saw the video I would not have been as digusted if I had seen

some stupid cop drag a kid out of the classroom.

What upset me was the assult on that child that I watched on that video. Big fucking difference between an assault on a student and watching

some stupid cop drag a kid out of the classroom.

I know what I saw.

[Autumn]

51. Yeah you saw the Bernie group post. Hillary said it right?

Had Bernie said something like that it would be everywhere on DU. Posted over and over.

[SheilaT]

15. A huge number of politicians

stay in DC, or gravitate to NYC after they've been in the federal government for a while.

They lose any real connection with their home state, which is not necessarily a good thing.

[OKNancy]

22. The reason she didn't run in Arkansas was there was no open seat.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan retired from his Senate seat which was open. Moynihan urged Hillary to run for his seat.
Incidentally, he also endorsed her run for President in 2008.

[ismnotwasm]

28. But those are facts Nancy

Facts don't fit the narrative

[OKNancy]

31. I know, but doesn't hurt to let the open-minded know.

[A Simple Game]

35. Darn right they are facts. And the fact is that

she went Senate seat shopping and New York was having a sale.

What did they used to call that? Rug burn... shopping bag? Never mind, it'll come to me after a while.

[Art_from_Ark]

57. If Hillary had gone back to Arkansas and waited a couple of years,

she could have challenged an unpopular incumbent Republican who had voted to impeach her husband.

[treestar]

58. Well they elected her from that State so

it was their choice.

[A Simple Game]

59. And I voted for her. But as for choice? There wasn't much. n/t

[moobu2]

25. Like Bernie Sanders hasn't been scheming and planning on running for POTUS

for decades.

[merrily]

53. LOLOL!

[Cosmic Kitten]

26. Carpetbagger

When Hillary hear the phrase
"follow the money", she took them
at their word.

[yuiyoshida]

27. Does anyone know it there is full recording of the event last night on Youtube?

I looked and found bits and pieces chopped up, I would quite like to watch the entire thing. Maybe it can be re-posted if so? Thanks in advance.

[thesquanderer]

30. link

https://vimeo.com/144961863

[yuiyoshida]

42. Thank you

doumo arigatou gozaimasu!

[cantbeserious]

46. Thank You For Sharing

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[mountain grammy]

49. Thank you..

appreciate the link...

[thesquanderer]

29. Why running for Senate in NY rather than Arkansas made sense

There was no open Senate seat in Arkansas in 2000. She would have had to wait until 2002. She also would have then had to run against an incumbent, something which was not an issue in New York since Moynihan was retiring and not seeking another term.

[brooklynite]

54. As a New Yorker, I was happy to vote for Clinton

Her mainstream Democratic principles were much more in synce with New York than they would havebeen in Arkansas.

But if you need another reason to dislike her go right ahead woth "carpetbagging"

[thesquanderer]

55. I don't dislike her... in that post, I was kind of defending her. (n/t)

[EndElectoral]

45. Wall Street Hillary...she looked real bad on that answer

[moobu2]

52. Only for people who despise her anyway.

[Bernblu]

56. New York was an easy state for her to win

She didn't want to risk losing in Arkansas which was changing to Red.