Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:06 PM Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders Rips Clinton: Don’t Just ‘Talk The Talk’ On Fixing ‘Corrupt’ Campaign Finance System

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) accused Hillary Clinton on Friday of lacking substance when she criticizes what he called the country’s “corrupt” campaign finance system during a Democratic presidential candidate forum.

“I don’t think it’s good enough just to talk the talk on campaign finance reform,” Sanders told MSNBC host Rachel Maddow. “You’ve gotta walk the walk. I am the only Democratic candidate who does not have a super PAC. I am not asking millionaires and billionaires for large campaign contributions.”

Maddow brought up Sanders’ recent interview with the Boston Globe editorial board, during which he stated that he disagreed with the former secretary of state on “virtually everything.”

“‘Virtually’ is the key word there,” he said.

more...

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/bernie-sanders-rips-clinton-dont-just-talk-the-talk-on-fixing-corrupt-campaign-finance-system/

35 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Bernie Sanders Rips Clinton: Don’t Just ‘Talk The Talk’ On Fixing ‘Corrupt’ Campaign Finance System (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2015 OP
"You've got to walk the walk." Perfectly said Bernie. think Nov 2015 #1
He made a great point and I'm glad he's finally starting to call her out on some of these issues. Luciferous Nov 2015 #2
He's right: in order to fix it, you need to win the general election. DanTex Nov 2015 #3
No, she's not. daleanime Nov 2015 #5
I don't think we're going to have another Nader situation this time around. DanTex Nov 2015 #7
Not what I mean at all.... daleanime Nov 2015 #14
Running a socialist, of course, would be a disaster. Fortunately it doesn't look like that's gonna DanTex Nov 2015 #15
Anyone who's paying attention knows that by "democratic socialist," freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #24
That's not going to sell to the American electorate. DanTex Nov 2015 #25
Most people are smart enough to see . . . freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #28
True, but most Americans still won't vote for a socialist. DanTex Nov 2015 #29
Neither will they vote for some one they don't like, and some hate. eom zalinda Nov 2015 #31
What is your basis for saying that? freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #34
Which is why you continuously tell me.... daleanime Nov 2015 #32
Huh? Of course it makes sense to work towards the improvements we need. DanTex Nov 2015 #33
Problem is Dan coyote Nov 2015 #6
Bernie and Hillary are the same on the issue. What matters is which justices retire. DanTex Nov 2015 #8
But Hillary has a long history of lying and backtracking Doctor_J Nov 2015 #17
That's simply not true. In fact, the most evolved candidate running is Bernie Sanders. DanTex Nov 2015 #18
Clinton, after using millions of cu money, will not appoint an anti-cu justice. Doctor_J Nov 2015 #19
Of course she will. DanTex Nov 2015 #22
Except that she won't Joe Turner Nov 2015 #9
What are tonight's lottery numbers? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #10
I'll place my bet that the corporate interests funding her campaign Joe Turner Nov 2015 #12
So place your bet. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #13
Hillary has the best chance? freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #21
Of course. A socialist running in a nationwide election is a recipe for disaster. DanTex Nov 2015 #23
And Hillary echoes every issue Bernie promotes. Oh my.... think Nov 2015 #35
He sounded very presidential. azmom Nov 2015 #4
this is one of the key issues in this election imo restorefreedom Nov 2015 #11
she's like this on every issue. I can't believe anyone thinks she'll stick with any of these Doctor_J Nov 2015 #16
Nah, he's not going to go negative. George II Nov 2015 #20
Disagreeing on important issues is not "going negative." djean111 Nov 2015 #30
Right now all he can do is talk the talk. No one can change anything until he or she is in office. kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #26
Hillary Is A Wall St Implant billhicks76 Nov 2015 #27

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
3. He's right: in order to fix it, you need to win the general election.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:12 PM
Nov 2015

And Hillary is the best chance we have at that.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
5. No, she's not.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:19 PM
Nov 2015

But keep telling yourself that, at least if she wins the nomination you have us to blame for her losing the general. That's got to be some comfort.

Have a great day.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. I don't think we're going to have another Nader situation this time around.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:22 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's supporters might be loony, but Bernie isn't.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
14. Not what I mean at all....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:42 PM
Nov 2015

but nice spin work. The point is simple, is there any candidate we could run, short of a third Obama term, that would get the republican base more fired up then Hillary? And if that's the case, would she at least get our base to turn out in order to balance her weakness?

Don't worry I know your answers, I don't believe them, but I do know them. Hope you're enjoying the day.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. Running a socialist, of course, would be a disaster. Fortunately it doesn't look like that's gonna
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:13 PM
Nov 2015

happen.

You have a good day too, and make sure to vote for the Democratic nominee next November. We're all on the same team!

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
24. Anyone who's paying attention knows that by "democratic socialist,"
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:38 PM
Nov 2015

which is what Bernie calls himself, Bernie means someone who wants to run government in the people's interest.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
28. Most people are smart enough to see . . .
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:48 PM
Nov 2015

. . . that by "democratic socialist" Bernie does not mean "communist dictator." There are enough good examples of democratic socialist countries with happy populations so that one does not have to look very hard to see it.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
32. Which is why you continuously tell me....
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:22 PM
Nov 2015

that it's senseless to work toward the improvements we need? That we have to settle for the status quo that has served us oh so well these last 30 years?

To which you'll say, 'but I never say that'. Etc, etc, etc...

I noticed that you haven't denied the cold pleasure of a ready scapegoat for next fall, always glad to fill a purpose in the greater, corporate, scheme of things.

So yeah, we're in the same boat, but I'm not sure we're paddling in the same direction.

OK, my blood sugar level is way to low, time to fix that. Wonder if I've got any candy left?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
33. Huh? Of course it makes sense to work towards the improvements we need.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:27 PM
Nov 2015

That's why I support Hillary. And Obama. Look at everything that's been accomplished since 2008.

And as long as you vote for the Democratic candidate next November, we are paddling in the same direction. Glad to have you on board.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
17. But Hillary has a long history of lying and backtracking
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:16 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders tends to stick with his principles.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. That's simply not true. In fact, the most evolved candidate running is Bernie Sanders.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:19 PM
Nov 2015

He used to be an actual socialist of the means-of-production-nationalizing variety, and now he's (claiming to be) a Scandinavian style social democrat who believes in a regulated free market.

Regardless, when it comes to Citizens United, there's no difference between the two, and there's no reason to believe that either of them will appoint pro-CU supreme court justices. All justices appointed by Democrats voted against it.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
19. Clinton, after using millions of cu money, will not appoint an anti-cu justice.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:30 PM
Nov 2015

She will nominate a corporatist like herself, claiming that an actual Democratic choice would not get past the Senate (even if there are sixty democrats), and you and the rest of the fan club will jump on board and tell us how we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. As for your ridiculous characterization of Sanders, he's been a democratic socialist for decades. Hillary has been for gay rights for two years, anti TPP for two months, and is still pro war. I honestly can't understand why any of you believe a word she says.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
22. Of course she will.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:36 PM
Nov 2015

She's playing by the rules as written, but she's made it clear that she thinks they need to change. And in this case, self-interest would also compel her to appoint anti-CU justices, because CU helps Republicans a lot more than it does Democrats.

Some people hate Hillary with such a passion that they can't think clearly about anything related to her. I'm not sure why, but we see it here on DU everyday. And thinking Hillary wants to keep CU requires not just Hillary-hate, but also total cluelessness.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
9. Except that she won't
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary is little different from the neo-con Bush wing of the republican party. Her past voting record and campaign sources make that abundantly clear.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
12. I'll place my bet that the corporate interests funding her campaign
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:59 PM
Nov 2015

will have a lot more coin with Hillary than empty campaign pledges...most of which are contrary to her voting record. After 8 years of broken pledges from Obama I'd think one would be leery of campaign promises. Especially when they sound too good to be true.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
21. Hillary has the best chance?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:35 PM
Nov 2015

Looks to me like Bernie does. He has a long history of getting votes from Republicans and independents.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
23. Of course. A socialist running in a nationwide election is a recipe for disaster.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:37 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's great at getting votes in a small liberal white state, I'll give you that.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
4. He sounded very presidential.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:13 PM
Nov 2015

Don't just talk the talk. You've gotta walk the walk. That's what real leaders do. That is presidential.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
11. this is one of the key issues in this election imo
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:48 PM
Nov 2015

the koch bros and others are not even trying to hide anymore, now that they have CU behind them. they are completely blatant about wanting to buy elections.

this is an issue we have to solve and soon. otherwise, we will lose our already limited power to the corrupt billionaires.

this is one reason i hope trump does win the r nom. because in the event he becomes president, he will try and solve this issue. none of the other car washers on that side will even try.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
16. she's like this on every issue. I can't believe anyone thinks she'll stick with any of these
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:13 PM
Nov 2015

11th hour flip flops if she somehow makes it to the white house. Or that anyone thinks that her criminal donors will behave because she tells them to cut it out. Hillarians have a great deal in common with Fox nation when it comes to blocking out reality

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
30. Disagreeing on important issues is not "going negative."
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:53 PM
Nov 2015

Accusing a candidate of being sexist or racist is "going negative".

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
26. Right now all he can do is talk the talk. No one can change anything until he or she is in office.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

Fighting to win means using all the tools in your arsenal.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
27. Hillary Is A Wall St Implant
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

She's also a neocon. I can't believe anyone is foolish enough to believe her lies. I just can't respect it anymore. Remember when she smeared Obama circulating a photo of him in a turban? So trashy.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Bernie Sanders Rips Clint...