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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:32 PM Nov 2015

Even At Its Best, Clinton Campaign Rests on a Promise of BETRAYAL


"...In the end, she will betray them or she will betray us. It’s pretty sad that a fundamental component of your campaign is an admission you’re lying to someone else. I promise I’ll betray them and not you..."



~snip~

I’m not the only one who watched the debate last night and concluded This Was the Most Important Exchange of the Debate. I’ve already voiced my displeasure with Hillary Clinton’s answer as to why we should think she won’t be influenced by the millions of dollars she’s received from big Wall Street interests. She tried to deflect attention away from this crucial question by reminding us that yes, she has donors who are women and also 9/11.

~snip~

The very best we can hope for is this: After taking millions from Wall Street to run her campaign and to benefit herself and her family personally, Hillary Clinton is going to turn around once in the White House and “rein in Wall Street” even “more aggressively” than Senator Sanders or any other candidate. Think about that for a moment and maybe you’ll reach the same conclusion a friend of mine made on social media earlier today: Even if we are to believe her on this point, she is essentially promising her voters that she’s going to eventually betray her major donors. You could even argue this is the central premise of her campaign. Yes, shes’ made millions speaking to them on Wall Street and she has to fund her Super PAC with money from them and yes, 83% of her campaign funds come from them in the form of maxed out donations, but once she’s in the White House she promises to fight for us.

~snip~

Would any of us believe Marco or Ted or Jeb if they just promised us they wouldn’t be influenced by all those Koch millions and big money donations? Do you really think they’re going to stab their donors in the back and fight for us? No, and we are right to distrust anyone who would make such a claim. Even if that person is a Democrat who is promising to betray them and not us.


cont'

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/15/1450245/-Even-At-Its-Best-Clinton-Campaign-Rests-on-a-Promise-of-Betrayal
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Even At Its Best, Clinton Campaign Rests on a Promise of BETRAYAL (Original Post) Segami Nov 2015 OP
She has earned her 60% not honest and trustworthy rating jfern Nov 2015 #1
Not this BS meme MaggieD Nov 2015 #2
Are you claiming Hillary ~won't~ betray her major donors then? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #8
I'm claiming that pic is baloney MaggieD Nov 2015 #13
From Politifact... Segami Nov 2015 #15
THAT pic is baloney MaggieD Nov 2015 #16
So, you're disputing PolitiFact's ruling? Segami Nov 2015 #18
Politifact calls it misleading MaggieD Nov 2015 #20
Read PolitiFact's ruling...it NEVER mentions misleading. Segami Nov 2015 #22
It's bullshit MaggieD Nov 2015 #24
Yep. ucrdem Nov 2015 #26
Your article is worse kenfrequed Nov 2015 #64
It's 100% TRUE. It's who she is. ThePhilosopher04 Nov 2015 #14
Invoking 9/11 in that context was such a bad move I don't even know where to begin. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #3
9/11. 9/11. 9/11..... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #43
Nothing new here. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #4
Hillary did extremely well in last night's debate. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #5
Thanks for the kick.. Segami Nov 2015 #6
As I appreciate ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #10
Oh yes,..well indeed....Hillary is tight with her Wall Street gang... Segami Nov 2015 #12
If that's true why make stuff up? MaggieD Nov 2015 #19
Thanks for proving my point! NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #27
Welcome back! BeanMusical Nov 2015 #39
Your point being .... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #45
Just happy to see you, that's all. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #46
So when was I on the vacation ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #47
I noticed that you were gone for a while and that you are now back. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #50
I was "gone" from DU ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #54
Yes, someone posted a link to your GBCW post. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #59
Really? NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #60
Since the link was posted at least 2 years ago and my memory is not that great... BeanMusical Nov 2015 #62
Where do I say ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #63
Is it not wonderful that the party is changing towards Bernie's views? daybranch Nov 2015 #55
Bernie has finally declared himself a Democrat dlwickham Nov 2015 #7
It's sad that, as a progressive, you are fighting so hard for the least progressive candidate. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #61
K&R. Hillary is bought and paid for. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #9
Nice comparison. Thank you for posting. CentralMass Nov 2015 #11
Except it's not true MaggieD Nov 2015 #17
Cool story bro. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #42
Politifact thinks its true....they said so in their ruling! Segami Nov 2015 #21
Maybe she should be referred to as Shill-ary. jalan48 Nov 2015 #23
Lehman Brothers ceased operations on September 15, 2008. ucrdem Nov 2015 #25
You obviously can't read.... Segami Nov 2015 #28
Translation: "This hamburger contains horse, dog and cat." ucrdem Nov 2015 #30
Only on your grill... Segami Nov 2015 #31
I'm not the one trying to sell it. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #32
I don't have to sell anything... Segami Nov 2015 #33
Don't Bother Segami... They Are Bound And Determined To Have Their U.S. Margaret Thatcher... WillyT Nov 2015 #36
Heh.... Segami Nov 2015 #38
Reminds me of tee shirts I used to see at motorcycle swapmeets. Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #29
If you leave out the "pass those savings on to you" part. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #40
Hilarious! wouldsman Nov 2015 #48
And it gets worse...she's taken money from the Defense Industry too... SoapBox Nov 2015 #34
She's Nauseating billhicks76 Nov 2015 #35
ALL CAPS does not make you RIGHT shenmue Nov 2015 #37
I see you received your talking points.... Segami Nov 2015 #41
What an impressive argument. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #44
update for your sig line? wouldsman Nov 2015 #49
Lol, that's a good idea. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #51
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #56
+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #58
LOL!! Fawke Em Nov 2015 #68
A very salient observation. n/t Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #52
Aww, c'mon. You don't think that all those nice corps and banks want something in return? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #53
I'll still vote for her... SHRED Nov 2015 #57
"The Scorpion and the Frog". Well said. nt Zorra Nov 2015 #65
if she becomes pres restorefreedom Nov 2015 #66
Clnton's had every chance to use corpo money against them for 15 years now MisterP Nov 2015 #71
then she has made her choice. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #73
She has her money and marching orders, the brain wash machine is lined up for her and enough fools.. nolabels Nov 2015 #67
They are paying her back for keeping them safe after 911 Doctor_J Nov 2015 #69
That is the bottom line. Hillary is azmom Nov 2015 #70
Good OP left lowrider Nov 2015 #72
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
15. From Politifact...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:15 AM
Nov 2015
Our Ruling

"..Social media memes say that Clinton’s top 10 donors are mainly "banks, corporations and media," while Bernie Sanders’ top 10 donors are labor unions. This contention fits quite closely with campaign data from the Center for Responsive Politics. However, it’s worth noting that this data refers to cumulative donations as far back as the 1980s, rather than just donations to their current presidential bids. The statement is accurate but needs clarification, so we rate it Mostly True...."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
22. Read PolitiFact's ruling...it NEVER mentions misleading.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:24 AM
Nov 2015
Our ruling

Social media memes say that Clinton’s top 10 donors are mainly "banks, corporations and media," while Bernie Sanders’ top 10 donors are labor unions. This contention fits quite closely with campaign data from the Center for Responsive Politics. However, it’s worth noting that this data refers to cumulative donations as far back as the 1980s, rather than just donations to their current presidential bids. The statement is accurate but needs clarification, so we rate it Mostly True.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
64. Your article is worse
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:13 AM
Nov 2015

It actually tries to defend corporate donations by banks and Wallstreet by saying "oh no... it's the employees of those organizations and that makes it totally different." Labor unions are expecting something for donating to political candidates. Why are hedge fund managers that work for banks magically not expecting something in your opinion.

This article is bunk.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. Invoking 9/11 in that context was such a bad move I don't even know where to begin.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:38 PM
Nov 2015

She just threw out a word salad then said 9/11. It was not an actual answer to the question. And since it's history we can put it in context of the Iraq war which came before the housing bubble popped and the economy crashed. And we can put it in context of the crash happening after the Iraq war. Which gained some popular support via the drum beat of fighting terrorism.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
43. 9/11. 9/11. 9/11.....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:19 AM
Nov 2015

And Because a Economist says $12.00 a hour is a great wage, that's all it is. Also, because being a Woman allows a reference to 9/11 because its all about 9/11 for connecting to Wall Street....and stuff like that....

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
5. Hillary did extremely well in last night's debate.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:50 PM
Nov 2015

And I didn't need to look at any polls or surveys to know that.

I only had to come to DU and see the endless posts about how HRC is evil incarnate, a self-serving member of the 1%, bent on the destruction of the entire nation if it stands in the way of her insatiable lust for power.

At the same time, the "Bernie knocked it out of the park last night" posts are few and far between. That speaks for itself.

There is no better barometer for how well Hillary is connecting with voters than the acceleration of attacks against her right here on good ol' DemocraticUnderground.

So thanks for the update on Hill's continuing success!

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
10. As I appreciate ...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:59 PM
Nov 2015

... your letting everyone know how well Hill is doing - albeit inadvertently, but loud and clear nonetheless!



 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
12. Oh yes,..well indeed....Hillary is tight with her Wall Street gang...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:05 AM
Nov 2015

Sure she is......And I can't wait to hear her tell them to just 'Stop It' once again....its sooooo reassuring.

Drinks on the house

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
45. Your point being ....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:26 AM
Nov 2015

... exactly what?

(And excuse me in my presumption that you had a point.)

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
50. I noticed that you were gone for a while and that you are now back.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:40 AM
Nov 2015

So where did you go? Vegas? Europe? Were the Griswolds with you?

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
54. I was "gone" from DU ...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:57 AM
Nov 2015

... from about 2009 to 2012 or so.

I went to a site where only Democrats were welcome to join/post. It removed the aggravation of having to deal with RWers posing as Dems.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
59. Yes, someone posted a link to your GBCW post.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:38 AM
Nov 2015

So you came back because there are no more RWers posing as Dems on DU?

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
62. Since the link was posted at least 2 years ago and my memory is not that great...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:37 AM
Nov 2015

I thought that it was a classic GBCW OP but after doing some searching I found the locked thread where your definition of the word apologist was contested. It's someone else who made the GBCW announcement:

Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-02-10 03:15 AM

481. I just had a little chat with Nance...

...

Nance needs to take a break from DU for a while, but I have no doubt that she will be back and when she does come back I hope we can all welcome her back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x103850#107148


So all the meanies who disagree with you in that thread are "RWers posing as Dems"?

Interesting. And you're welcome.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x103850

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
63. Where do I say ...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:50 AM
Nov 2015

... that everyone who disagreed with me was a "RWer posing as a Dem"?

I left here after the TOS was changed, and trolls signed-up as a result - and I was just one of many who left.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
55. Is it not wonderful that the party is changing towards Bernie's views?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:39 AM
Nov 2015

It ain't hypocritical for Sanders to support a party that has now the same views as yourself.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
61. It's sad that, as a progressive, you are fighting so hard for the least progressive candidate.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:02 AM
Nov 2015

It never serves the greater progressive good to choose the candidate furthest away from progressive ideas.

She's obviously better than any 'pug, but why settle for just better than the worst?

Why let it go at tiny, trivial increments of change, when increments are useless?

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
28. You obviously can't read....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:36 AM
Nov 2015

From Politico's RULING:


"... this data refers to cumulative donations as far back as the 1980s, rather than just donations to their current presidential bids..."



I guess we can now put Lehman Brothers back into the mix?.....Ce?


 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
33. I don't have to sell anything...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:52 AM
Nov 2015

The links are provided for all rational-minded people to determine where truth begins and bullshit ends...


 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
36. Don't Bother Segami... They Are Bound And Determined To Have Their U.S. Margaret Thatcher...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:03 AM
Nov 2015

And we will suffer... once again.


 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
38. Heh....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:12 AM
Nov 2015

Its around that time to brew myself an Earl Grey tea with lemon and chill.....

Thanks WillyT...

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
29. Reminds me of tee shirts I used to see at motorcycle swapmeets.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:40 AM
Nov 2015

"We cheat the other guy and pass those savings onto you."

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
34. And it gets worse...she's taken money from the Defense Industry too...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:57 AM
Nov 2015

...as the only Democrat on a list of 14.

Good gawd...she is bad.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
41. I see you received your talking points....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:17 AM
Nov 2015

from the ALL CAPS Discussion Board Patrol. Maybe you should stay in your sandbox and finish the moat around your little castle if you have nothing to say about the post.

wouldsman

(94 posts)
49. update for your sig line?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:36 AM
Nov 2015

"Cut it out, because 9-11"

Wait, I don't even have a sig line, maybe I should keep that for myself.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
53. Aww, c'mon. You don't think that all those nice corps and banks want something in return?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

You know, deep in your heart, that they're they're..donating(?)..because they love democracy and ordinary people.

Don't you?

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
57. I'll still vote for her...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:46 AM
Nov 2015

...if she gets the nomination because the Supreme Court appointments are too important to be left to anyone on the GOP clown car.

Having said that...this article expresses my thoughts and questions I have about her.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
66. if she becomes pres
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:29 AM
Nov 2015

i would love to see her (or any pol) do an about face and tell the corps to go screw. one way to get money influence out of politics is to overturn cu. another way is to take their money anyway and tell them to piss off. and then the money flow will slow down cuz their aint no prid pro quo.

this benefits the gop as well. every time they cower before their corp masters they look like the sniveling losers they are. time to break the stranglehold.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
71. Clnton's had every chance to use corpo money against them for 15 years now
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:52 PM
Nov 2015

she won't, and this sort of mislogic is exactly why

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
67. She has her money and marching orders, the brain wash machine is lined up for her and enough fools..
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:47 AM
Nov 2015

will be star-struck to work for her to and thinking they might be accomplishing something. What is left to be done ?

The only that seems better to me, is that the contrasts of what could be good and progressive to what is really just corporate hogwash. All them parts just seem so much more obvious.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
70. That is the bottom line. Hillary is
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

Indebted to the wealthy. She cannot be trusted to push a middle class agenda. She has only come around to campaign on our issues because of the popularity of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie.

I believe she will do what the elite want her to do, regardless of the effects on the middle class.
She will betray someone and that someone will be us peasants.

Bernie walks the walk. I trust him.

 

left lowrider

(97 posts)
72. Good OP
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015

I hadn't thought through so clearly why the whole thing doesn't make sense-

She is saying "don't worry, I will betray Wall Street's support- if the voters give me their support"

Why would we "impune her integrity"?. . . . because she is flat out telling us she is loyal to nobody.

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