SEIU Members OUTRAGED After Hillary Endorsement

[Segami]

The highly influential, 2-million-member Service Employees International Union (SEIU) endorsed Hillary Clinton for president yesterday. In her announcement, SEIU President Mary Kay Henry said that,

“Hillary Clinton has proven she will fight, deliver and win for working families. SEIU members and working families across America are part of a growing movement to build a better future for their families, and Hillary Clinton will support and stand with them."

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/seiu-endorses-hillary-clinton-215980

But a good number of those 2-million members disagree. A New Hampshire local SEIU chapter has broken from national leadership to endorse Bernie Sanders, and members around the country are protesting the union’s support of a candidate running on a $12 minimum wage, when the SEIU has been leading the Fight for 15.

From the International Business Times,

“The service workers’ union has poured millions into the.. Fight for 15, a protest-driven campaign that has helped pass $15 hourly minimum wages in Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles and shifted the national debate over what constitutes an adequate federal pay floor, currently $7.25 an hour.

But during the most recent Democratic debate, Clinton criticized a proposed $15 nationwide minimum, calling instead for $12. Both her opponents, Martin O’Malley and Bernie Sanders, support $15 an hour.

Many SEIU members prefer Sanders, including Rand Wilson, a staffer for the union's Massachusetts-based Local 888 and founding member of the grassroots network Labor for Bernie…

‘It’s important to support the candidate who’s supportive of our objectives,’ he says. ‘It’ll be hard to continue to support a candidate who supports $12 an hour when there’s a viable one who supports $15...’

Wilson predicts the move will generate backlash against the leadership. Sanders is seen as a more passionate defender of the union’s broader agenda.

‘It’s going to divide the membership in the face of important campaigns — the fight to raise minimum wages, immigration reform, breaking up the banks, the need to overturn Citizens United,’ Wilson says. ‘This is the time we need to unite.’

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-key-labor-union-endorses-hillary-clinton-defying-rank-file-critics-2188461

From In These Times,

“Rodney Muhammad, an SEIU 1199 member in Massachusetts, echoed the contrasts between Clinton and Sanders that are often mentioned by Labor for Bernie supporters.

‘Being a union delegate and being deeply involved with the union, Bernie would have been the right person for the job. He’s pro-labor, he’s been on picket lines, he’s very proactive and he’s for $15 an hour. It just seems like Hillary Clinton has too many ties to Wall Street. She has not really done much to procure help for the unions over the past few years...”

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18616/seiu_endorses_hillary_while_rank_and_file_activists_continue_to_push_for_be

And, perhaps most telling of all, the SEIU Facebook Page erupted, yesterday and today, with person after person outraged at the Clinton endorsement.

Cathy Bosell Haye:

“Please retract the SEIU endorsement for Hillary Clinton. She does NOT represent the average working American. She takes funding from Wall Street PLUS foreign donations as well as contributions from Private Prison Corporations. So just exactly who does she work for?”

Louie Vidmar:

“Members, please copy the following text and email it to your union leadership:

I beg you to please reject SEIU’s endorsement of HRC for president! The union should take a thorough poll of it’s members before making such a disastrous decision!

I will be canceling my CAPE contributions until this is rectified!

As a truly progressive candidate for the Democratic Party nomination, Senator Sanders has the chance to inspire millions of Americans with policy proposals that put the interests of the 99%, front and center. His campaign will draw attention to what unions and collective bargaining have accomplished for workers and energize our movement.

Labor must step up to change the direction of American politics. We need politics to focus on the issues of our time: growing inequality and pervasive racism, the power of concentrated wealth and its corruption of our democracy, an escalating pension and retirement security crisis, runaway military spending and a militarized foreign policy, Medicare for All, and the need for new, bold solutions to our shared problems.

We call on labor leaders, union members and working people to unite behind Bernie Sanders for a voice in the presidential political process and to elect the President working families need – a President who will answer to the 99 percent!

We are Labor for Bernie 2016.”

Angel Rodriquez:

“This is scandalous, shameful, counterintuitive, problematic, defeating, and divisive. Pathetic.

‘SEIU's biggest national campaign is the Fight for $15 and a union. Across the country, we are organizing workers to strike and demand a $15 minimum wage.’

DESPITE THIS:

‘Hillary Clinton is on public record as opposing a federal minimum wage of $15 per hour.’’

THEY ARE ENDORSING CLINTON, WITHOUT CONSIDERING THAT:

‘It is hard to ask workers to strike for $15 an hour in one breath when we are opposing the candidate (U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders) who proposed national legislation for $15 an hour.’”

“You campaign for $15. Bernie is fighting for your $15. Hillary is capping it at $12.

Sure, this makes sense. SMH. Shameful. Seriously, SHAME ON YOU.

Denise Welte:

“This SEIU member will be voting for Bernie! Who actually gets labor unions isn't bought by one! Disgusted.”

Paul Moriarty:

“LET'S BE CLEAR: SEIU does not poll its members as to whom it should endorse. How can SEIU say it's going to fight for a $15/hr wage when it endorses Hillary Clinton who wants the wage set at $12/hr. Not to mention that Hillary is a disgrace to this country and will be the 21st century version of Nixon. As an SEIU member I DENOUNCE any endorsement of Hillary Clinton. What a joke!”


https://www.facebook.com/SEIU/?fref=ts

cont'

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/18/1451648/-SEIU-Members-Outraged-After-Hillary-Endorsement

[sabrina 1]

1. I wonder how much pressure is being placed on Union Leadership to come out so early in the campaign

with these endorsements?

[upaloopa]

4. None

I am a SEIU member local 260

[bobbobbins01]

10. Are you Union Leadership?

Being a member and being leadership are totally different things. One does not qualify you to speak for the other.

[erlewyne]

24. I belong to 480

My union endorses Hillary

If Hillary is on the ballot she has my vote!


But, in the meantime .... GO BERNIE

and I am a registered Democrat that had to vote for GORE.

[Matariki]

41. What do you mean you "had" to?

Are you saying that you feel you *have* to vote the way your union tells you?

[angrychair]

33. So in all seriousness upaloppa

I realize you support your candidate, I know that your union has been fighting very hard for $15 an hour, nationwide, while your candidate has $12 an hour as her target number.
Seriously, no snark intended, I want to get your perspective. Is this a point of difference with your candidate or your union.
I freely admit I do advocate for a different approach to things like defense spending on the F-35 and some of the finer points of gun control with Bernie Sanders (and your candidate) but it doesn't effect my support of him.

[Jarqui]

22. Maybe some pockets are feeling the pressure

from wads of cash.

Maybe they cut some sort of a deal.

Maybe her campaign convinced them she was going to win and she wants them on board now.

One thing the Clinton campaign wouldn't want short term is Bernie getting some financial help putting out ads by SEIU.

[PatrickforO]

103. Oh, money DEFINITELY changed hands.

Like Bill Maher says, "I have no proof...I just KNOW it's true!"

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

29. My thoughts exactly, why so early?

[fasttense]

136. PATCO, the Airline Pilots and Teamsters all endorsed Ronnie Raygun and look what it got them.

"The 1981 strike and defeat of PATCO was called "one of the most important events in late twentieth century U.S. labor history" by labor historian Joseph A. McCartin."

"On August 5, following the PATCO workers' refusal to return to work, Reagan fired the 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored the order, and banned them from federal service for life."

Not banned for a year or 5 years, but banned for LIFE from ever doing the work they spent years training for.

Watch out, Unions are notoriously very bad at picking political allies. There is so much pressure and money from the elite 1% on most politicians to crush Unions that even those politicians who routinely support labor back away from them. The leaders of the unions are also under the same pressures as are politicians with Koch brothers and banksters waving huge piles of money in front of their faces to betray their members.

[Sheepshank]

163. Ancient Alien Astronaut theorists suggest unsubstantiated crappola too.

"Could it be that there is undo pressure on the lives of family members...?"
"Could it be that there has been a promise virgins for eternity if Union leaders play with the Devil....?"



"Could it be that they took several polls and went with a majority of the membership?"

I suppose even ancient alien astronaut theorists could come up with something that is actually logical.

[sabrina 1]

164. Are you lost in Space? Lol!

[brooklynite]

2. How many is "a good number"?

Approximately 1.5 M members support the Union's decision. How many actually oppose it?

[upaloopa]

7. I think I read 300 signed a petition

[brooklynite]

17. Check my math...

I think that's 0.02%

[floriduck]

35. Can you provide some reference to your estimate? nm

[OilemFirchen]

42. Consider this:

If I understand their polling numbers correctly, 75% support their endorsement of Clinton.

That means that 25% support Sanders or someone else, including Republicans.

Wow.

[DanTex]

3. LOL. What took you so long?

[MaggieD]

5. So the 25% are demanding the 75% that want Hillary go along with them?

Don't you guys ever get tired of this with every new union endorsement for Hillary?

[zeemike]

40. You mean they voted on it?

And 75% said Hillary?
Or did the leadership decide for them because they know best?

[Juicy_Bellows]

54. And there ya have it!

Kaboom!

[MaggieD]

66. They voted

[MaggieD]

72. You never heard of Google?

Plus the SEIU statement was posted here at least three times. Why are you posting in a thread if you don't know anything about the topic.

[MaggieD]

82. I. DONT. CARE. If you're ignorant about it

Did I not make myself clear?

[Live and Learn]

109. As an SEIU member I can tell you that is not true.

No emails. Nothing in the regular mail. No phone call. And nobody else at work got any either.

[George II]

154. Read their website and the press release. All the answers to your questions are there.

[zeemike]

169. Why should I?

I am not the one making the claim that the members support Hillary 75 to 25...and I am not in the habit of asking someone I don't trust to tell it strait to tell it strait.

[George II]

176. Why should you? Because you are the one questioning the manner in which they made their decision.

[zeemike]

178. So what you are saying is if you question

Some one's honesty the solution is to ask them if they are honest...and as we know they will always answer it honestly.

The burden of proof is on those who make the claim not those who question the claim. So if it is true there should be evidence that they put it to a vote.

[Matariki]

44. And if you look at the SEIU's Facebook page you'll see that nearly EVERY comment is pro Sanders

And PISSED OFF at SEIU's leadership.

The only pro Clinton stuff is the over-produced photo/caption posts provided by union leadership. The members clearly feel differently.

https://www.facebook.com/SEIU

[MaggieD]

67. LOL!

Uh huh. Under the bus!

[Matariki]

143. As if 'laughing out loud' deflects the truth.

obvious is obvious.

[Sheepshank]

165. And this type of swarming is exactly why social media polls suck and mean nothing

Bernie supporters tend to swarm things thinking it changes the reality. Did you not see what they did to Congressman Lewis' facebook page?

[Matariki]

48. Could you post a link to where you get those numbers?

thx.

[MaggieD]

68. Nope

I don't fetch. Google it.

[MaggieD]

74. Are you incapable of reading or googling?

[MaggieD]

79. I don't care if you're ignorant about it

Why should I?

[Matariki]

98. Most people back up their statements by pointing to their source

If you have a source. If you actually have a source it shouldn't be difficult for you to post a link to where you got your information. Otherwise it's just so much hot air.

[marym625]

110. please note no proof throughout the thread.

I've googled it. There was no vote, even though there are claims of a vote. Hence, the posts that can't be backed up.

Talking points.

I just have to laugh at people who throw shit and say they're not going to provide proof. It's just too ridiculous for adult conversation.

The sky is falling. Google it. I'm not fetching the proof for you. But I'll laugh at you saying it isn't!

[Admiral Loinpresser]

127. ^^THIS^^ n/t

[Matariki]

141. Oh, it's glaringly OBVIOUS.

There are a few people here who you can count on to be in certain threads immediately, posting with single minded purpose. Never really engaging in discussion but just sticking to some script with a determination that often defies logic. I figure they are either being paid by the post or just aren't very bright.

I'm not opposed to Clinton and will vote for her if/when she's in the general election, but I'm starting to really not like her campaign's tactics.

[marym625]

147. her campaign tactics haven't changed since she first ran for office.

They're just being accepted by more people as we become a nation of sheep.

[Historic NY]

84. It unskewing endorsments.....

[MaggieD]

86. LOL!

You know what's really embarrassing for Bernie is they did it 4 months earlier than usual.

[MADem]

85. It's embarrassing.

Like the people who run that page don't know who the hit-and-runners are, and who the regulars are?

I'm sure the FB people could figure out, easily, which website they were at last before they clicked the link to take them to that page, too.

She's used to this, though--a small but vocal minority engaging in bullying, harassing tactics. I think if you can't win the day with ideas, maybe it's time to work on the ideas. It would be a better use of time than this kind of obvious Internet Bullyboy stuff.

[Fawke Em]

101. How is it bullying to express your opinion.

The "bullying" crap has to go. The First Amendment allows people to disagree.

[Fawke Em]

100. Produce the poll. eom

[marym625]

6. pretty awful thing to do to its members

K&R!

[upaloopa]

9. What? If 75% back Hillary they should

endorse Bernie? I don't think so.
I wonder if Bernie supporters will ever grasp the low level of base support Bernie has.

[marym625]

11. I wonder if Hillary supporters grasp how awful she is.

No Child Left Behind
Bankruptcy bill
Patriot Act
Iraq War
fracking
And so much more

Show me proof of your numbers. Let's see that vote.

[Segami]

14. My fav is publicly lying to Democrats...

On more than one occasion. It really is the Clinton way. So no one should expect anything different or suddenly become dumbfounded at some point in the future because of who she naturally is in real life.

[marym625]

15. So true. Sadly.

Luckily, we won't have to worry about that after the primaries. President Sanders can be trusted.

[Renew Deal]

28. Sanders voted for No Child Left Behind

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll145.xml

[marym625]

34. No, but thanks for playing!

You linked to vote on the bill prior to changes made. It is not the final vote, nor is it the bill that passed and was signed into law.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2001/h497

[merrily]

38. Nice catch.

[marym625]

49. thanks.

Not really good on me. More like....you get it

[Bubzer]

43. +1

Nicely caught!

[marym625]

50. Thank you!

[Oilwellian]

88. I call that slinging slop...

and hoping it sticks. LOL

Nice catch.

[marym625]

99. I don't say anything without first researching.

Though I know some think I have no clue what I'm talking about.

Yeah, that shit doesn't stick.

[marym625]

182. Obviously, since there has been no response,

His little dunce cap emoticon was meant to represent himself. So no response is really necessary.

[Fairgo]

105. And thus proving out the lying meme

...seems to be a part of the HRC culture. Thanks for the disinfectant.

[marym625]

107. Ha!

Have they been saying this elsewhere? The only thing I saw was a Hillarybot (i use that term here because this particular person only spoke talking points) calling out Sanders for not voting "for education." I had to point out it was the No Child Left Behind act. Their response, "I gave my proof. Good bye." or something similar.

[Live and Learn]

111. The ones here know but do not care because they aren't suffering.

I can't believe the selfishness that I have seen displayed by her supporters here.

[marym625]

117. it's pretty despicable

I don't understand at all. Not at all.

[KingCharlemagne]

130. aka privilege and entitlement - nt

[pnwmom]

157. Hillary had one of the most progressive records in Congress when she was Senator.

I wonder if some of her haters realize how nasty they sound.

[marym625]

159. I don't hate. I'm just stating facts

No Child Left Behind
The Patriot Act
The Iraq war
The Bankruptcy bill

Not a very progressive record in my book

[merrily]

160. How about two attempts in two years to pass her unconstitutional flag desecration bill?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=820881

Good thing she didn't get any substantive legislation written by her passed into law, only stuff like celebrating the anniversary of the Revolution.

[marym625]

166. it's kind of amazing she's considered progressive by anyone.

And her ability to cause change, when talking about legislation, isn't good change for the most part. But she does seem to like to vote with republicans.

Frankly, I don't want to get to 2020 and hear "I shouldn't have started a war with (pick a place) and I wouldn't do that today. I want someone that can read the writing on the wall and know what is wrong now, not 15 years from now.

[merrily]

167. The plan of From, founder of the DLC, was to confuse people about "progressive."

And, to a great extent, he succeeded.

It's one of the reasons I avoid that term.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710158

[Fawke Em]

102. Produce the poll.

[KingCharlemagne]

129. Produce the poll - nt

[pnwmom]

156. Why? Polls of their members showed 72% of their members supported Hillary.

Of course they decided to endorse her.

[marym625]

158. please link to the source

[pnwmom]

168. The article says the Union heads say that. Are you saying they're lying? n/t

[marym625]

170. I'm saying I want a source for that.

Saying it doesn't make it so. According to union members, they weren't asked. So, source it. Reasonable request.

Are the members lying?

[merrily]

171. The members have no reason to lie. Union may have a reason. I'm going with members truthful.nt

[marym625]

174. how many times in this thread have people asked for a source?

Must be a billion! I know. Go Google it.

[merrily]

175. A billion? It's a long thread, but I didn't realize it was that long!

[marym625]

177. it's a fact but I'm not fetching it for you.

I crack me up.

[merrily]

180. LOL! We crack us up!

But, mary, I never disagreed. I said only that I hadn't realized the thread was that long.

If we say a billion, a billion it is!

[pnwmom]

172. Right. You're saying the union heads are lying.

But the union members weren't saying no polls were conducted; only that they personally weren't included. It's not surprising that some individual members are complaining that they weren't among those polled; but that's how polls of large groups are conducted.

Statistical polls don't have to question every single member of a group to get an understanding of their views.

Numerous national voter polls show that HRC is the preferred candidate among voters of all income groups -- and especially high among minority voters (who comprise a high percentage of these union members). So it's not surprising that this large union also polls high for HRC. What would be surprising is if they didn't.

[marym625]

173. link to the source..

[WillyT]

8. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[azmom]

12. They are fighting for $15, but are endorsing someone

That opposes it. It is a bad joke.

I hope for the sake of the members that Bernie wins.

[frylock]

20. #fightfor12

[Juicy_Bellows]

57. #settleforthreefifty

Cheers!

[sadoldgirl]

13. As soon as i heard of their support

for Hillary, I cancelled my voluntary membership.
If they support the third way in that endorsement,
then no more union for me.

[Live and Learn]

112. As a big union supporter I am struggling with the possibility of doing the same. nt

[pa28]

16. Maybe the executive board should change the name of the "fight for $15" campaign.

They could call it the "politely suggest $15" or maybe the "$15 would be nice but don't go out of your way" campaign.

[Segami]

19. Yea....LOL!

Fight for $15* with an asterisk......it's pending!......

So, let me get this picture straight,.....union members will be holding up 'FIGHT for $15' signs while surrounding Hillary the candidate who ONLY supports $12/hr?

[SidDithers]

90. ...

Sid

[SidDithers]

94. Here's to you...

Sid

[Ed Suspicious]

51. "We prefer 12. We'll settle for 10." campaign.

.

[stillwaiting]

123. It's this. She's not going to FIGHT for $12. "Tell me something real". nt

[Ed Suspicious]

125. "Single payer? The revolution never came, Bernie."

[demwing]

128. We have seen the revolutionaries

And they are us

[appalachiablue]

18. K & R. The Clinton reach is vast.

[Prism]

21. I'm neither outraged nor surprised

It's my union, but, meh. Establishment looks out for Establishment.

The fix was in for this primary. Clinton has spent the last 8 years setting up for this primary, making sure all the ducks are in a row.

I would say union leaders better pray the TPP doesn't go through, but even if they're tossed out, they'll sidle into cushy lobbying positions.

Hooray for our system.

[floriduck]

37. As a Duck fan

I resent that!

[DhhD]

60. I wondered if it is the revolving door. Clinton chose to privatize Mexico and Iraq Oil Industries

One through the Iraqi war, and others through third way triangulation with the 1%, and the Powers That Be lawmakers and the New Democrats that are not Progressives. The triangulation wants $12.00 per hour.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/08/07/hillary-clinton-state-department-emails-mexico-energy-reform-revolving-door

Exclusive: Hillary Clinton State Department Emails, Mexico Energy Reform and the Revolving Door

Emails released on July 31 by the U.S. State Department reveal more about the origins of energy reform efforts in Mexico. The State Department released them as part of the once-a-month rolling release schedule for emails generated by former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, now a Democratic presidential candidate.

Originally stored on a private server, with Clinton and her closest advisors using the server and private accounts, the emails confirm Clinton's State Department helped to break state-owned company Pemex's (Petroleos Mexicanos) oil and gas industry monopoly in Mexico, opening up the country to international oil and gas companies. And two of the Coordinators helping to make it happen, both of whom worked for Clinton, now work in the private sector and stand to gain financially from the energy reforms they helped create.

The appearance of the emails also offers a chance to tell the deeper story of the role the Clinton-led State Department and other powerful actors played in opening up Mexico for international business in the oil and gas sphere. That story begins with a trio.

The Trio

David Goldwyn, who was the first International Energy Coordinator named by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2009, sits at the center of the story. As revealed by DeSmog, the State Department redacted the entire job description document for the Coordinator role.

Goldwyn now runs an oil and gas industry consulting firm called Goldwyn Global Strategies, works of counsel as an industry attorney at the law firm Sutherland Asbill & Brennan, and works as a fellow at the industry-funded think tanks Atlantic Council and Brookings Institution.

Emails released on July 31 by the U.S. State Department reveal more about the origins of energy reform efforts in Mexico. The State Department released them as part of the once-a-month rolling release schedule for emails generated by former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, now a Democratic presidential candidate.

Originally stored on a private server, with Clinton and her closest advisors using the server and private accounts, the emails confirm Clinton's State Department helped to break state-owned company Pemex's (Petroleos Mexicanos) oil and gas industry monopoly in Mexico, opening up the country to international oil and gas companies. And two of the Coordinators helping to make it happen, both of whom worked for Clinton, now work in the private sector and stand to gain financially from the energy reforms they helped create.

The appearance of the emails also offers a chance to tell the deeper story of the role the Clinton-led State Department and other powerful actors played in opening up Mexico for international business in the oil and gas sphere. That story begins with a trio.

The Trio

David Goldwyn, who was the first International Energy Coordinator named by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2009, sits at the center of the story. As revealed by DeSmog, the State Department redacted the entire job description document for the Coordinator role.

Goldwyn now runs an oil and gas industry consulting firm called Goldwyn Global Strategies, works of counsel as an industry attorney at the law firm Sutherland Asbill & Brennan, and works as a fellow at the industry-funded think tanks Atlantic Council and Brookings Institution.

The emails show that, on at least one instance, Goldwyn also used his private “[e-mail]” (Goldwyn Global Strategies) email address for State Department business.

It remains unclear if he used his private or State Department email address on other instances, as only his name appears on the other emails. But Cheryl Mills, a top aide to Secretary Clinton at the time, initiated the email that he responded to on his private account.

[stupidicus]

23. “LET'S BE CLEAR: SEIU does not poll its members as to whom it should endorse.

if true, exactly what are the Hillarians talking about with their madeup 75/25 split?

[Bubzer]

46. No one knows...they refuse to provide a source.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

142. Here is the source...

It has been posted on DU multiple times, which is how I found it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton02016-unions-delay-endorsements-213922#ixzz3rlyEBltB

It's from September, and it was discussing SEIU waiting until Biden formally announced his plans before endorsing Hillary.

[Live and Learn]

113. +1000 nt

[Ferd Berfel]

25. Classic: the power elite (in the UNION) dosen't REALLY represent the Rank-in-file!

Hmmmmm........

[LiberalArkie]

26. K&R

[Kalidurga]

27. It looks like the way to go is to get local SEIU chapters to endorse Bernie

If it is true that the national leadership strong armed their members into an endorsement this shouldn't be too difficult. And if it's true they did that it will bite them in the *.

[Maedhros]

30. There is a definite trend of union endorsements being rendered by the leadership

in opposition to the sentiments of the rank-and-file.

It's this kind of top-down "We'll tell you how to think and vote!" behavior that undermines union effectiveness and Democratic politics in general.

If I had a nickel for every asshole that tells me how I must vote, I'd be a rich man.

[jwirr]

61. And the more we see this the less it means. She is racking

endorsements up from people and organizations that do not even support her ideas. They are meaningless - establishment.

[daybranch]

162. Sort of like how Debbie Wasserman Schultz did it on debates and their timing?

Bernie is not what we are for, we are for a cause, a cause which the 1 percent will fight desperately with their money, certainly not at any real risk of bodily harm to themselves, to defeat. They have bought our democracy but the people are standing up saying we the people never said it was for sale and we demand it be returned. You can hire your minions, politicians in both parties, hire lobbyists, corrupt union leadership, spread your lies through your owned main stream media, and create think tanks supporting economic theory, like trickle down created by people trained in accountancy who apparently only spoke what his rich clients wanted to hear while ignoring Keynes and the economists whose work has been proven, but the people have caught on and truth learned cannot be unlearned even with the brain washing going on so many years. The old and the young and the middle are all getting it and the recvolution cannot be stopped with Hillary is ahead in the polls. Anything Hillary gains is only as she moves to positions of Bernie. Everytime she differs, claiming superior knowledge or experience or by virue of being a woman or implying Bernie doesn''t like shouting because he is sexist or is somehow racist, or saying her current financial support from Wall Street is a donation based on their love for her because of her actions toward Wall Street right after 911 instead of an investment to cement what has long been a crony investment in Bill's foundation and her actions previously in the Senate. If Bernie does not win, we go on to plan B, but our cause will continue to harden our resolve, our commitment, and the scope of our resistance to a non-democratic government.
Who knows if Bernie is defeated, who our next candidate will be -would he or she be more socialist desiring ownership of rather than reasonable regulation of Business? And will the right wing sensing a more radical threat to their continued government supported piracy move further right militarizing the police force to defend themselves and their property against the angrier public, creating laws against meetings in large groups, stifling debates, pressuring television personalities off the hour for not supporting the policies favoring the 1 percent, or will they pressure our own military or more likely the National Guard to violently put down student unrest against policies which are just wrong such as the actions of National Guardsmen against students at Kent State. Will they bastardize the news, pointing out that Martin Luther King Junior was a civil rights champion but not mentioning the fight for economic equality and a fairer share of the economy was what he fought for as he was killed and that he like Bernie was a democratic socialist. None of this will work much longer. I hope we can elect Bernie and start undoing government by the rich, but regardless we Bernie people will not go away until we win.

[George II]

32. When a union has 2 million members, there's bound to be a few dozen unhappy with the leadership.

[panader0]

89. Can you provide a link to the vote totals? Thanks in advance....

[George II]

95. Can you or the OP provide a link with the number of SEIU members who are OUTRAGED?

Thanks, too.

[KingCharlemagne]

131. Produce the poll or STFU - nt

[George II]

153. The results of the SEIU canvas of members (it was NOT a "poll") is out there....

....go find it yourself.

And you have some fucking nerve telling a fellow DU member to "STFU"!

[KingCharlemagne]

179. Life in WeathervaneLand: make a n outlandish claim bit refuse to support it when

called upon. Insist those questioning your claim go find your proof for it because you just can't be bothered.

Hey George, the moon is made of green cheese. Its not my fault you don't believe me. The proof is out there somewhere on the internet, so you look it up.

[George II]

181. If you got all the way down here, no doubt you read the OP as well. What you're asking for.....

........is contained there.

[Andy823]

36. Well...

I am pretty sure that anyone in any union has the right to vote for whoever they want come election day. Just because a person is endorsed by a certain union doesn't mean all the members have to agree, or vote for that person.

[Demeter]

45. NO, but union resources get sent to a person the union doesn't support

[Andy823]

53. It's still the voters

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Who make the final decision on who wins and who loses.

[Demeter]

58. Yeah, if they get the opportunity

[Andy823]

87. Why wouldn't they get the opportunity?

They all have the chance to get out and vote in the primaries, so I don't understand what you mean.

[Demeter]

119. Well, then, this election should be an education for you

Watch closely.

[xocet]

39. #FightFor15 is on the SEIU twitter page. Isn't Hillary's stated position #LipServiceFor12?

How will the two be reconciled after eight more years of unabated and unabashed bankster coddling if Hillary is elected?

#EvolveToTwelveFifty ?

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. #LipserviceFor12.

OUCH

[Matariki]

47. Yep. SEIU's Facebook page told the story loud and clear

I'm surprised that there haven't been paid operatives madly scrambling to remove and/or drown them out with astro-turf posts.

[Thinkingabout]

55. Just as there is not thinking alike of minds here on DU there is a difference of opinions in every

organization, it too is with SEIU. I know Hillary will be working for every union member of SEIU as well as other unions, she has the middle class welfare at heart.

[Yallow]

92. "she has the middle class welfare at heart"

And will be thinking of them as she is cashing her checks from Goldman Sachs, Chase, and CitiCorp.

God people are easily fooled.

[Thinkingabout]

93. Still on the RW talking point, I heard Bill Krystal saying the same.

[monicaangela]

56. The powers that be

including the MSM and the democratic party machine are trying to put the fix in for Hillary Clinton. I am so happy the workers that belong to this union are expressing their dissatisfaction with what the Union leader has done. Evidently this was her decision and her decision alone, just as DNC chair Wasserman Shultz made decisions alone, trying to nail down the nomination for Hillary. I sure hope the majority of those that are members of that union know the difference between $12 an hour and $15 an hour, and vote accordingly.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

59. Why would SEIU support a 'Wall Street monger'

[DhhD]

63. New Democrats in the revolving door riding on a Clinton third way win.

Progressive Democrats--$15/hr

Third Way New Democrats--$12/hr

Republicans--$7.25/hr

[Live and Learn]

114. Hedging their bets. They know Bernie will support them no matter what.

Hillary is another story.

[ChiciB1]

62. My Husband Was A Union Member... Not SEIU, But From What I

hear from his friends and friends from places like Chicago, St. Louis and some other places, they support Bernie. I live in Florida so we have friends from other states who compare their experiences and this is where I'm getting the feed back.

Given how our Democratic Party has acted by having so many members coming out to support Hillary, I think what's going on is something like what we've seen from Repubs. Get the memo, GO OUT and shout support which they feel will carry the day. Just because a Union states they support Hillary DOES NOT mean their members do. The NAME recognition is what they want to sell. It's the same thing as we're seeing with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, make sure to quash every avenue for another candidate to get coverage, make sure it's extremely difficult for another candidate to get MSM coverage and on and on.

FWIW, I suppose it's sort of a "you got punked" mentality. Headlines work, people fall in line because THEY just go along because they aren't strong enough to go against the so called winner. The illusion of a winner will sway people, it happens all the time!

JMHO! I prefer to make up my own mind.

[DhhD]

64. Check out the last member of the roll; DWS

http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/membership

[ChiciB1]

150. Amazing, So Now THEY Just Advertise Who They Are, AND

reading about their agenda, etc. they're promoting themselves as THE ONES who will lead in the future. Presenting themselves as the up and coming "young guns" of the Democratic Party they present strategies that make them appear as the REAL LEADERS for the future!

Sickens me and these Democrats may even be WORSE than DINOS! More and more the two Parties are morphing into one HUGE OLIGARCHY!

I'll stop with these comments, but will add one more thought... THIS is how some very "bad" leaders of the past won the day! A very nice veneer, just don't dig too deep!

[Hestia]

65. They have a valid point - why endorse the one who doesn't want you to have more money

at the end of your shift and really fumble-bumbled that question this past Saturday? She had a lousy answer to that.

I should think there would be some explanation from leadership to address this.

[Scootaloo]

76. Former member of SEIU 775 here. Voting for Bernie.

[Generic Brad]

78. But the overwhelming majority of them are not outraged

Is there some part of SEIU membership that requires all members to agree with the majority or to vote in lockstep? Um....no.

My wife is a SEIU member and she whole heartedly supports the endorsement. She likes who she likes and I know I can't tell her otherwise. Sorry to hear the Sanders supporters are outnumbered within SEIU rank and file, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

[Live and Learn]

115. There was no friggen vote! We are not outnumbered.

Did your wife get a vote? Nobody in our office did.

[EndElectoral]

139. Yeah, was never polled in my union either.

[mike_c]

80. I'm SEIU and I'm very disappointed in this endorsement.

eom

[Zorra]

81. Imagine that. Workers betrayed by establishment leadership once again.

It appears the leaders of many unions have been compromised by Wall St., and betrayal of workers by union leaders is now just "business as usual".

[FloridaBlues]

83. What's a "good" number of members ?

Out of 2 millon a small vocal voice can seem large if posted enough .
The Union endorsed her don't throw the entire Union under the bus as typically bs supporters have with anyone who doesn't agree with your choice

[KingCharlemagne]

132. Produce the poll - nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

145. I'd ask SEIU to produce the poll.

They're the ones who claimed they polled members. Putting that onus on ones who are quoting SEIU is intellectually dishonest. SEIU stated that 75% of the union support Clinton. Keeping in mind, it's a poll. Not all of the 2 million memebers will be polled, but a sample will. It's how polling works. So, ask SEIU for the poll. They're the ones who did it.

[olddots]

96. thats the way the country crumbles

[MannyGoldstein]

97. It's the 1% vs the 99%

Even within unions,

Fight!

[Cali_Democrat]

118. Actually it's 25% vs 75%

75% of the people polled prefer Hillary, but don't let facts get in the way of your revolution.

Fight!

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Union officials said the polls so far show Clinton with the highest level of support from members, with 75 percent of members feeling favorable toward her.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton02016-unions-delay-endorsements-213922#ixzz3rlyEBltB

[MannyGoldstein]

120. So where's the poll results? nt

[KingCharlemagne]

133. And . . . crickets. There was NO POLL! - nt

[Cali_Democrat]

134. Truth 'em, Manny!

Fight!

Lead that revolution!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

146. According to the SEIU.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton02016-unions-delay-endorsements-213922#ixzz3rlyEBltB

[questionseverything]

151. ...

The executive committee of the 2-million strong Service Employees International Union gathered on Sept. 16 and 17 for meetings where many had been expecting agreement on endorsing Clinton, according to union insiders, although a vote was not on the schedule.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton02016-unions-delay-endorsements-213922#ixzz3ryPQYVII

[Dr Hobbitstein]

152. ...

Union officials said the polls so far show Clinton with the highest level of support from members, with 75 percent of members feeling favorable toward her.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton02016-unions-delay-endorsements-213922#ixzz3ryQy2JSQ

[RichVRichV]

104. Question for SEIU members here.

Just out of curiosity, were you asked to vote for who the union should endorse?

[marym625]

108. up thread someone said no, there was not a vote

[Live and Learn]

116. Nope. nt

[Demeter]

121. Of course not!

The union exists to sell goods and services to its membership....silly rabbit! Hillary is just another good and service--overpriced, unnecessary, and shoddy.

[MisterP]

148. the Pinto candidacy?

[PatrickforO]

106. Stuff like this might actually backfire, because these incensed union members

will now make it a point to vote in the primary.

[Demeter]

122. I devoutly hope so.

From your lips to God's ears

[Enthusiast]

124. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[lonestarnot]

126. No consideration given to membership does not a good union make.

[WillyT]

135. Kick !!!

[Jester Messiah]

137. Corrupt leadership, the Achilles Heel of unions, strikes again. [nt]

[EndElectoral]

138. It's always good to see Labor management supporting their member's goals.

[SoapBox]

140. The Entrenched Establishment Controlers,

Continue to try and run over the little people members.

Those little people, have been funding the pay and benefits for those so called leaders at the top.

Those "leaders" will hopefully need assistance filling out their unemployment forms.

America needs a revolution.

[NCTraveler]

144. Sanders Supporters Outraged

There. Fixed the headline for you. But they say that way so this isn't a change from before the endorsement. I can literally find posts a month old of Sanders supporters trashing the SEIU because they just knew they were going to endorse Clinton. Literally advanced outrage.

[Gamecock Lefty]

149. I Knew . . .

As soon as this union endorsed Hillary that Bernie supporters would come out with fuzzy math! Members are OUTRAGED!!!

Yawn . . .

[pnwmom]

155. The union said polls of its members consistently showed at least 72% for Hillary. nt

[sabrina 1]

161. Leadership of Unions being pressured due to the rise of Bernie Sanders? Membership

at odds with leadership says, 'yes'. Same thing with the Teachers Union. Membership was outraged and denied they were polled.

Our political system so needs major reform!