The Senate just repealed ACA and defunded Planned Parenthood; Bernie didn't vote.

[pnwmom]

Obama will veto this piece of shit, but it should never have had to come to his desk. With a vote as close as this one, any one vote might have been critical.

Bernie was out campaigning.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/262071-senate-approves-bill-repealing-much-of-obamacare

[saturnsring]

1. potus will veto is there a need?

[MannyGoldstein]

3. And his vote wouldn't have changed the outcome, anyway.

This post is just poo-flinging.

[pnwmom]

6. The Rethugs wanted to force Obama to veto it, and so now he will have to.

They did win this battle.

[senz]

55. Bull. His veto is NOT their win. It's their loss. And it's obvious.

Stop trying to twist things around.

Bernie already told the Senate what he thought of this and his vote would not have changed anything.

[kristopher]

135. Note this

[merrily]

142. Brilliant. Thank you.

He even went to the Senate the day after hernia surgery.

[beam me up scottie]

145. But Bernie's much better record is WORSE because...reasons.

Thank you for that chart!

[George II]

289. That chart is inaccurate, and....

..the time frame for 2016 candidates is ONLY 12 months before the General Election, which means it can only cover about 3-4 weeks.

In the last three weeks of November and the four days in December, Sanders only voted 3 times, there were 33 votes taken. To me that's less than 10%.

PLUS, there are still 11 months to go in that "window".

[merrily]

292. You can hurt yourself trying those kinds of athletics without stretching first. (CBS cares.) nt

[George II]

317. Not me, I'm pretty limber. Did you find anything specific....

....to dispute about my comments about that chart?

[merrily]

320. You disproved nothing on the chart, and just seemed to be pulling stuff out of your ear.

Hence my earlier comment. Find something that disproves the chart and it would make sense for me to comment specifically. Otherwise, not so much.

[George II]

323. You might want to read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=873928

[merrily]

325. Uh huh. What specifically do you imagine that disproves?

[George II]

330. It doesn't "disprove" anything, I didn't say it did. But it proves that there have been very few...

....votes in the Senate since that time frame began (for Sanders and the other presidential candidates) on November 1 - just 34 days ago.

PLUS, as I pointed out elsewhere here (my reply #289), there were 33 votes in the Senate during that short period of time and Sanders only voted 3 times. That's a mere 9%, not what's indicated in that table.

Remember, a Senator's votes are public and listed on government and some independent websites.

[merrily]

333. Stretch!

[George II]

334. Truth!

What aspect of what I've posted is a "stretch"?

[merrily]

336. Not what I meant, but who cares? Sanders chose his duty to his supporters over casting a

vote that could not possibly have made a difference. That is what you are working so hard to spin into a smear somehow and it's not working.

[George II]

277. The republicans still get to talk about what they did and moan that President Obama was bucking....

....the will of Congress.

For their constituencies, it's a win.

[senz]

359. Bernie's vote would not have changed ANYTHING. It was a done deal.

And furthermore, George II, this entire scenario is a big symbolic zero. Of course Obama isn't going to sign a bogus bill that destroys his health care system. No one would expect him to do that. Everyone knows the Republicans have passed about 50 pieces of legislation to rescind the ACA and everyone knows it's gamesmanship of the worst kind. None of it was serious, all of it was show. Most Americans know it has been a waste of our taxpayer money. The Planned Parenthood part is pure Republican misogyny, and, again, most Americans can see it for what it is. That, too, makes the Republicans look bad. (They are quite good at looking bad, in case you haven't noticed.)

Whatever part of the Republican constituency that finds any of this meaningful is the part that dropped out of high school. Nobody comes off looking bad in this except the Republicans.

You just want to use this piece of fluff to try to hurt the best candidate for whom you've ever had the opportunity to vote, and no one is going to buy your lightweight argument, so you might as well drop it.

In the future, I shall expect you to make more positive contributions to the conversation, George II.

[George II]

360. Then why has Bernie boasted about all of his "nay" votes when the final votes...

...were 90-10, 95-5, 97-3, etc.?

What you're overlooking is that now the republican incumbents can go back to their districts and states and say to their constituencies, "well, we tried, but the Democrats blocked us at every turn." The republican Senators that voted for this legislation can now go on Meet the Press, Face the Nation, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, etc. and say that the Democrats are obstructionists, etc.

You don't think that will happen?

Finally, you don't dictate to me or, for that matter, any other members of DU, of what you "expect" of us.

[senz]

362. Bernie's voting record is consistent.

He may point that out, but he doesn't "boast." That's not his style.

The republicans don't take into account that the ACA is working fairly well and is popular with most of their constituents.

And in case you couldn't tell, I was tweaking you, not "dictating" to you.

[atreides1]

304. It is, sort of.

The Republicans already knew he would veto it, and most of the seats in Congress are up for re-election next year...which means those Republicans who live in purple areas don't have taking away people's access to health care on their plates!

[questionseverything]

353. even if bernie voted potus would still have to veto

this kind of dishonest stuff is going to give us a repub pres

i am a life long democrat and i honestly do not know if i can vote in the general if hc wins the primary...how must it affect people that are borderline anyways?

[merrily]

102. That kind of common sense reply was valid only during the 2008 Democratic primary. Now, it's

NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE!

[kath]

107. That's right -like back in fall 2007, when Sen Obama and HRC only made it to 10-20% of Senate votes.

[merrily]

139. They made rational balancing choices. Sanders neglected his duty, probably due to misogyny. Got it?

Bernie Sanders, holding his son during a meeting with colleagues from The Vermont Freeman in Burlington, Vt.

[beam me up scottie]

146. Yep, all of the women who support Bernie are just too STUPID to know any better.

He obviously hates us.

[merrily]

148. That photo was circa 1970. Ms. Magazine founded? 1971.

A man working with a toddler on his lap in 1970 must have been quite advanced.

Bernie Sanders. Almost always on the right side of history. And in a leadership position, at that.

[beam me up scottie]

150. But he just had the kid to get out of serving in Vietnam*

*yes someone actually said that here - and it's not just vile - it's stupid. Men couldn't get out of Vietnam by having kids, if Bernie had married the mother of his child it might have made a difference but he didn't. And of course if he had, the same people who are yammering about his having a child "out of wedlock" would tar and feather him for that too.



And Bernie was far ahead of the curve when it came to women's, AA's and lgbt people's civil rights. He obviously loved his son very much, he loves all of his children and grandchildren.

[MADem]

156. Well, that's just not true. If the father was a principal caregiver (and he was--he wasn't

working much if at all and he had partial custody of his child) then that was grounds for an exemption.

Not sure why you think that is either vile or stupid.

Not sure why you think he was "ahead of the curve" on any of those issues. He wrote weird essays about women, thought that women were to blame for their cervical or breast cancer, and as late as 2006 said that he preferred civil unions for VT because he was "comfortable" with them and they were "less divisive" and didn't think that discrimination against gay people in the workplace was a priority. I won't even go into his disconnect with the black community; that's been covered on this board a number of times.

I'm sure he loves his child. That's not at issue, here.

[beam me up scottie]

160. The essay about gender stereotypes?

The essay that Hillary supporters said proves Bernie has rape fantasies and thinks women enjoy being raped?

Yeah, been there, done that. It's been posted here dozens of times, no intelligent adult woman I know is clutching their pearls over a 40 year old essay. The only ones making a bfd out of it are the morons at youngcons, and even they stopped when they realized it wasn't getting any traction.


And the same thing goes for cervical cancer meme, one of your associates already tried claiming Bernie thinks orgasms cure cancer and was a Republican man with his head between women's legs, so you guys covered that too. Again no one cares.


And as far as same sex marriage goes your candidate went on a crusade against it in 2004, remember? She was opposed to it for religious reasons because she believed that marriage was a "sacred bond" "between a man and a woman":

So, glass houses, stones, yadda, yadda.

[ESKD]

271. I read that essay

The paragraph people were clutching their pearls about appears in the first one. Then the rest was just analysis. Even that paragraph was as vague as possible.

[beam me up scottie]

273. It's not really something liberals would find overly provocative.

It was clumsily written and Bernie admits it was dumb but the way it's portrayed by some you'd think it was rated xxx.

Welcome to DU!

[merrily]

312. OMG. I had no idea anyone was so vile as to float that particular canard.

As far as his kids and grandkids, I love that he never distinguishes between his one natural child and his step-children.

I had to love Marie Osmond for a similar reason: when an interviewer asked her which of her children were adopted, she replied "I forget."

[beam me up scottie]

340. Yep, isn't it amazing how low some people will go?

Between attacking him for having a child, the rape allegations, claiming he's lying about being with King in Washington and the anti-Semitism I don't know which ones are worse.

[merrily]

355. Nasty, ugly stuff.

But, if one brings up Hillary's helping Bushco selll Iraq, one is a "hater" who "smears" Hillary. Got it.

[kath]

147. Yes, very likely due to his misogyny. And racism. And all the other evil facets of his evil being.

And HRC and Obama missing 80 or90% of their senate votes in fall of 2007 was all because they were out saving drowning children. Or puppies. Or feeding the poor with Mother Theresa. Or something.

[beam me up scottie]

164. You nailed it! Check out post #156! Winner winner chicken dinner!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=872662

You must be psychic!

[Capt. Obvious]

252. I totally would have missed that without the permalink

[beam me up scottie]

253. Oh whew! I thought you were going to post jury results.

I got alerted on for posting links today.

[polly7]

176. How can you be sure that even IS Bernie?!?

Adorable little boy ........ Bernie Sanders is pretty cute-looking there, himself, LOVE that hair.

That is a great picture.

[beam me up scottie]

188. !

ICWYDT!

[merrily]

293. The hair, duu-uh.

[George II]

286. It's interesting that 99 Senators felt it important enough to cast a vote, only ONE didn't.

[MannyGoldstein]

297. Wiff!

[George II]

315. WIFF? What does that mean. The footnote in the chart clearly states:

"*For the 2016 candidates, data only extends until 12 months before the general election - that's November 1, 2016."

So this graph/table for 2016 candidates (Sanders included) contains data only back to November 1, 2015, which is a maximum of only 34 days.

[beam me up scottie]

345. Lol! More like WHOOOOOOSH!

[merrily]

306. And he's the only one seriously running for President, too. What a coincidence!

I have no doubt he thought that vote important. No reasonable person would doubt that. However, he also knew that his vote was going to be irrelevant, while his run for President is very important to so many of us. Not as though he made the wrong call on a war vote, now, is it?

[George II]

313. So you're implying or stating outright that his votes in the Senate are politically motivated?

[merrily]

324. Twist much?

[MADem]

152. GEEEEEEE....where else was there a vote where HER "vote wouldn't have changed the outcome, anyway,"

yet some members of this discussion board want to excoriate HER to death for a vote that wouldn't have changed that outcome....anyway.

I guess those posts are just "poo flinging," too.... hmmmmmm?

[beam me up scottie]

153. She didn't just VOTE for the war, she PROMOTED it by lying about Saddam harboring Al Qaeda.

[MADem]

157. Bernie couldn't care enough to show up to vote.

OK.

Whatever...

[beam me up scottie]

158. But he voted against the Iraq war, remember? And he also gave a speech about it:

[MADem]

159. He didn't show up to preserve the ACA. He obviously doesn't care about

health care for Americans...or Planned Parenthood, either.

He didn't show up.

He couldn't be bothered.

So much for those sick people and those women who need reproductive health care....

[beam me up scottie]

161. Proof that "He obviously doesn't care about health care for Americans"?

I posted evidence that Hillary promoted the war so now you should show proof of your claim that Bernie:

didn't show up.

couldn't be bothered.

So much for those sick people and those women who need reproductive health care....

Thanks in advance!

[MADem]

162. The proof is in the pudding. He did. not. show. up. He could not be bothered to cast a vote. nt

[beam me up scottie]

163. In other words because you said so?

[MADem]

296. In other words, because he skipped the vote. He didn't bother. He didn't care.

If he cared, he would have moved heaven and earth to get there.

Gee, when's he going to apologize for not doing his part? When will he say it was a mistake to not go on record about this important matter?

I seem to remember that argument being tossed at another candidate over a vote....


smh.


I will note, though, that you find it that your preferred candidate took this issue so lightly. I'll also note that this is the first time Congress has gotten this far on repeal--and some people think the country is magically going left? Really? With this kind of contravening evidence?

Tickets for the reality train are now on sale...

So yeah...

[beam me up scottie]

344. Did Bernie give a speech against this bill like Hillary did when she promoted war with Iraq?

If not it's apples and zebras.

Bernie didn't vote against a bill that was just grandstanding and a waste of time because it will be vetoed.

Hillary gave a speech and lied about another country to get us into an illegal war.

Apples/zebras.

But keep pretending they're the same thing and claiming you know what's not important to Senator Sanders, it's so transparent.

[MADem]

346. Actions speak louder than words--he did. not. show. up. to. vote.

It's not apples/zebras. What it is, and you make it very clear, is that

It Is OK If You're Bernie Sanders.

[beam me up scottie]

347. Apples/zebras! Oranges/giraffes! Lions and tigers and bears and Bernie!

[MADem]

348. Why BMUS, you seem upset. nt

[beam me up scottie]

349. Yes, posting pics of George Takai is always a sign I'm beside myself.

Although I can see why you're probably confused, maybe I should have posted the video instead.

Here ya go!

[MADem]

356. Oh, BMUS, you're trying just a little too hard....

We love George Takei from way back....so does the Clinton campaign!

So yeah....

[beam me up scottie]

358. When you resort to copying me you know you're just bor...zzzzzzzzzzzz

[MADem]

361. I'm not "copying" you--I'm just generating a little enthusiasm for George Takei, Clinton supporter.

You brought said CLINTON supporter into the conversation, after all.

Oh my....indeed!

[George II]

285. Good point!

[MADem]

294. Don't forget....IOKIYBS!!!!

He gets a pass, no matter what! He's in Do No Wrong territory around here. Hell, he's even being forgiven for his crappy, ill-advised, boneheaded attitudes towards gun ownership. Late to the party, he's finally saying "Duh...we need to do something, I guess."

And he's being cheered on in riotously hysterical, "It's so WONDERFUL, why it's a MIRACLE" fashion, like a first-born baby who says DaDa or farts for the first time. I just got to smh.

[George II]

275. If that's the case why do Bernie and fans boast about all his "no" votes when the results were 97-3?

[trueblue2007]

365. YES THERE IS A NEED. Sanders is a Senator. Voting is his job.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. I'm incredibly pleased that Sanders is doing well enough

For you to post stuff like this!

[HerbChestnut]

4. And he gave a speech about it a day after surgery saying that it was a waste of time.

Which it is. Obama will veto it and there's nowhere near enough of a majority to override the veto. No doubt Bernie knew this and decided to spend his time in a more constructive manner.

[leftofcool]

42. Too busy to vote.

[HerbChestnut]

49. There's a chart floating around somewhere showing voting rates of various Presidential candidates

while they were still representatives. Someone might dig it up. But what's funny is that it shows Bernie with a significantly higher voting rate during this campaign than when Hillary ran in 2008. So I'm not too worried that he missed this vote, knowing it would be vetoed by the President.

[leftofcool]

58. And yet, all other Democrats showed up to vote.

They thought it was important.

[HerbChestnut]

61. LOL I have to give you credit.

You stick to the script very well.

[leftofcool]

65. Could be that since I am a woman, PP is an important issue to me.

Bernie has no excuse for this. I am sure he did say it was a waste of his time.

[HerbChestnut]

70. Well I'm a man and PP is important to me also.

Watch the video of Bernie getting up in front of congress a day after hernia surgery where he talks about this vote. Yeah, it was a waste of time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

165. OMG

That's pretty tone deaf...

Its not nearly the same for you......not by a longshot. Reproductive rights frees us...how does losing them enslave you exactly?

[ESKD]

274. Why? Why? You ask.

Because since 2010, Republicans have been trying to repeal ACA. This is what, their 100th attempt? Nothing new.

[VanillaRhapsody]

276. Again.....how does it enslave you?

You just cannot relate....let us know when your feet are in thise stirrups mkay?

[Bluenorthwest]

281. In many places, Planned Parenthood is the only resource for HIV testing, education and prevention

They serve all. When Indiana closed Planned Parenthood locations, many of which provided no abortion services anyway, they very swiftly saw a sharp increase in HIV infections, so sharp that even right wing Indiana had to allow needle exchanges they had previously opposed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/indiana-planned-parenthood_n_6977232.html

[HerbChestnut]

282. My girlfriend has used Planned Parenthood

Many of my friends have used Planned Parenthood. I don't want to see them suffer. *That's* why it's important to me.

[VanillaRhapsody]

301. Then you SHOULD be pissed...

Oddly you are not.

Things that make you go hmmmm

[Cha]

86. How dare someone accuse you of "sticking to a script".. like you have no say in this. All they have

are insults and personal attacks.

All I need to know about them.

[Loudestlib]

122. That takes nerve...

Don't you routinely kick people out the Hillary group for having their say?

[VanillaRhapsody]

166. And no one ever got kicked from rhe Sanders Group?

[Loudestlib]

299. .

173 vs 295

The Hillary group is blocking almost twice as many people (~42%.) That's one block happy group.

[VanillaRhapsody]

322. Yeah and this place is so reflective of the Democratic Party...

No Indies pretending to be Democrats on DU at all
...thus the imbalance

Epic Fail

[merrily]

310. Remind me: which other Democratic Senators are running for President?

Sanders does have a certain duty to his donors and supporters to do the best job on his campaign that he can. Choosing between the duty he owes us and showing up to cast a vote that cannot possibly make a difference should not have been difficult for him. Amazing that supporters of Hillary, who missed over 83% of the votes during the 2008 primary season have such disingenuously double standards that they don't get that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

332. Which ones missed a vote to defund Planned Parenthood?

But a budget meeting....he's all over that the day after surgery. Shows his priorities...

[MADem]

357. I guess it's the "Independent" exemption, or something....

The Quasi-DINO allowance, if you will. Or is that D(I)INO....?

See...here are the rules. If you have been a party member for years, you have to follow the rules, work as a team, help each other out, back key platform planks, and if you don't, you'll be called out ..... but IOKIYBS!

[VanillaRhapsody]

363. Exactly....

[kath]

66. I posted the link below. But if someone could get the graph to post, showing all Senators who were

Presidential candidates for the 2008 and 2016 elections and the percentage of votes they mossed, I would appreciate it.

[cui bono]

79. Yeah, he's trying to save the entire country.

His vote wouldn't have changed anything. Obama is going to veto this.

It's much more important that we get him elected as POTUS so he can actually do something other than take the time to get back to DC and cast a vote that doesn't change the outcome.

[VanillaRhapsody]

167. WOW..

This is Sanders and his supporters biggest problem Tone Deafness.

If they held a vote on the Civil Rights Act and Bernie didn't show would you say that too?

[merrily]

143. I love the smell of a smear attempt in the morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251872050#post135

[VanillaRhapsody]

168. What smear?

Shows he is tone deaf yet again......

[Autumn]

5. Obama will veto it.

[WillyT]

7. LOL !!!

[Autumn]

13. If you're reduced to complaining about a senator who just had surgery and is in the

middle of a presidential campaign you've already lost. As if Obama won't veto that bill and Bernie's vote wasn't even a deciding factor.

[WillyT]

15. Is It Desperation Yet ???

Certainly sounds like it.

That 2008 imprint is rather strong, no ???

[Autumn]

17. That it is Willy

[winter is coming]

35. Apparently, it's vitally important to protect Obama from having to use his veto powers.

'Cause, you know, he wouldn't want to commit himself to defending the one piece of legislation most associated with his Presidency.

[leftofcool]

59. Funny, all the other Dems showed up to vote.

[Major Hogwash]

127. Maybe it's the high cost of ink that disturbs them.

Veto ink is really expensive because it is so rare!

Bwahaha-ha!

[floriduck]

8. Now, THAT'S a crap post. Grow up!

[leftofcool]

38. Horseshit!

It is the truth, he didn't vote. I guess he couldn't be bothered.

[IllinoisBrenel]

9. According to Web MD

An Inquinal Hernia surgery's recovery time may be 1 to 2 weeks. He had been there all day, I imagine he was kinda sore. Otherwise he wouldn't have missed those votes!

[pnwmom]

10. That would make more sense than his campaign attributing it to campaigning. n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

169. Has he done any campaigning since?

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He WAS back for fucking budget meetings the next day!

[mcar]

260. I had inguinal hernia surgery and was back at work two days later

Bernie was back campaigning the next day. You just can't lift things for a couple months.

[Live and Learn]

11. Bother! nt

[Jamaal510]

12. Pres. O

is pretty much the only remaining barrier that separates this country from utter disaster. He doesn't get enough credit for it. Just think if the R's controlled all 3 branches...

[pnwmom]

14. I know. If a Rethug wins they will try to pass full repeal through reconciliation.

Which is how they avoided a filibuster this time. What I don't understand is how they managed it, since this will wreck the budget, not help it.

[Cha]

91. That's exactly what I've been saying since 2014.. Pres Obama is our Firewall! I love him..

[winter is coming]

16. "Any one vote might have been critical." Except it wasn't, and this was kabuki.

Anyone paying attention knew it would pass, and that the President will veto it. The GOP gets to go home to their constituents and claim they were doing Gawd's work, and Obama gets to make a veto speech pointing out why the GOP are a bunch of morons.

[pnwmom]

18. Obama didn't want this to reach his desk. The Senate was expected to filibuster it.

I don't know why it was allowed to go through under reconciliation rules.

[ibegurpard]

20. Because doing it like this allowed them to pass it

And bypass the possibility of a flilibuster with a simple majority.
Apparently you missed the talk about how they were planning to do just that?

[pnwmom]

24. I know why the Rethugs wanted to pass it. I don't know how it was allowed

to go through under reconciliation, because reconciliation is only supposed to be use for bills that help reduce budget deficits -- and this would increase the budget deficit.

[ibegurpard]

29. That would be a question for the Senate Rules Committee

And I'd certainly be curious as to the answer.

[MaggieD]

33. See my post #27

[MaggieD]

27. Wrong - the republican strategy on this was to....

Put it through via reconciliation so that if they won the WH in 2017 they would have a precedent in place to pass the repeal through reconciliation then.

Inexcusable that Bernie couldn't be bothered to show up. He is still getting paid $175K a year and the Senate isn't even in session that much.

[Fawke Em]

28. Because it didn't matter.

He's missed far less votes campaigning that your girl did.

[MaggieD]

32. My girl?

So, from this point forward we will be referring to Bernie is "your boy" - cool?

Now, he had no idea whether Rubio and Cruz would show up, did he? So that was quite a risk he took. Seems like he just didn't care. The evidence mounts that he is full of hot air, but his supporters continue to dismiss the evidence.

I don't recall Hillary Clinton missing any close / critical votes. Which one are you referring to?

[ibegurpard]

19. let me explain something to you

And I'll try to make it as clear as possible. Very rarely is the outcome of legislation not known by the time it hits the floor for a vote. If Bernie Sanders had been the make or break vote he would have been there to do it. He just had hernia surgery.
Clear?
You're welcome.

[pnwmom]

26. He came back to the Senate right after the surgery.

He made a point of doing that.

[seabeyond]

21. Sanders didn't vote on ACA? No shit? Fuck!

Why?

[seabeyond]

22. Well... I just read thru the many reasons why Sanders just did not matter

And other stuff to do.

Whatever

[beam me up scottie]

73. Talking to yourself, sea?

[kath]

78. Please see post57 below, and the link contained therein. That is, if facts make any difference

whatsoever to you.

[seabeyond]

92. IMO, the voted mattered. Whether winnable or not, busy or not, he needed to support with his vote.

I can remember Kerry making it back for a specific vote though his vote didn't change things. The vote itself matter. It was a statement, a position, support. This is supposedly what Sanders is campaigning about and he put it aside.

He should have voted.

[Art_from_Ark]

23. Where does it say he was campaigning?

[VanillaRhapsody]

170. Has he?

He is your candidate....you should know that

[Art_from_Ark]

185. Yeah, his web site says his next campaign appearances are Saturday

So tell me where he was campaigning on the day of the vote.
I didn't make that claim-- your side did.

[VanillaRhapsody]

195. Then why wasnt he there?

[Art_from_Ark]

201. Perhaps because he just had hernia surgery on Monday,

that is, surgery in one of a man's most sensitive areas, and the painkillers were wearing off.

[VanillaRhapsody]

218. Except he went right back on the campaign trail

Bernie Sanders Has Hernia Surgery – And Goes Back to Work Less Than a Day Later
http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20970370,00.html

[MaggieD]

25. That is inexcusable!

[Fawke Em]

30. No... voting for a war to kill people is inexcusable.

Missing a vote that didn't hinge on his one vote isn't a big deal.

[leftofcool]

41. And he knew this how? He has no excuse for this, period!

[MaggieD]

43. Bernie voted for a lot more wars than she ever did

And funding for ALL of them. And he sure didn't say he "wasn't voting for war" like she did. He was absolutely in favor of immediately going to war in every war he voted for.

In fact, the Iraq war was the only war he has ever voted against. Or did you not know that?

[Art_from_Ark]

37. Yeah, it's inexcusable

that people are getting their knickers in a knot over this, after what Bernie had said in the Senate this past Tuesday:

"Less than one week after politically motivated gunman Robert Dear allegedly killed three people and wounded nine others at a Colorado Springs, Colorado, Planned Parenthood clinic, congressional Republicans moved forward with efforts to strip federal funds from the organization.

"Those efforts drew a stern rebuke on the Senate floor on Tuesday from Democratic presidential contender Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who blasted the attempts as part of a political "witch hunt."

"While we still don't have all the details as to what motivated the shooter, what is clear is that Planned Parenthood has been the subject of vicious and unsubstantiated statements attacking an organization that provides critical care for millions of Americans," Sanders said, alluding to attacks on the organization after an anti-abortion group released videos targeting Planned Parenthood this summer. The videos purported to show Planned Parenthood officials offering to sell tissue and organs from aborted fetuses, although claims that the organization profited from the transfer of fetal parts proved unsubstantiated."

http://mic.com/articles/129535/bernie-sanders-takes-powerful-stand-for-planned-parenthood-on-the-senate-floor?utm_source=policymicTWTR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social#.kUEtpnlYT

[leftofcool]

40. Then he should have fucking voted!

[MaggieD]

44. Exactly

Apparently he didn't feel strongly enough to show up to vote. He only showed up to speechify for his own aggrandizement. I cannot stand pols like that. Ugh.

[Art_from_Ark]

50. And if he was having complications with his hernia treatment?

As another DUer with experience has stated, you can feel OK shortly after a hernia operation, but then, wham! the pain can become pretty intense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=872263

Bernie made his case in the Senate. He likely knew what the vote was going to be, and knew that Obama will veto it anyway, and the veto won't be overridden.

[leftofcool]

51. Except, he was on the campaign trail.

[Art_from_Ark]

52. So where was he campaigning?

[VanillaRhapsody]

173. Has he missed any stops?

[Art_from_Ark]

187. So what was his stop at thew time of the vote

You tell me.
His web site does not list any stops for the day of the vote.

[VanillaRhapsody]

193. I dont follow his campaign...

Perhaps you do?

[Art_from_Ark]

200. Yes, I follow his campaign

and I don't see any campaign stop for the day of the vote.

His next campaign stop is in New Hampshire on Saturday.

So unless your side, which made the claim that he was campaigning when the vote was taken, can actually provide the time and location of where he was campaigning when the vote was taken, your contention that he missed the vote because he was campaigning is pure unadulterated BULLSHIT.

[VanillaRhapsody]

206. So then why not show up?

[Art_from_Ark]

209. If you had just had surgery in your nether regions,

and your painkiller was wearing off, would you stick around for a meaningless vote, or would you try to get some R&R?
I know if it had been me, I would have been squirming a lot, and just thinking about the time I could take a break and get out of there.

At any rate, the vote was 52-47-- nowhere near a veto-proof majority, and Obama's going to veto it anyway. Bernie's vote wouldn't have made one bit of difference. Bernie knew what the vote was going to be, and he spoke about it passionately on Tuesday. He also voted for a couple of amendments offered by Democratic colleagues. So he did what he could.

[VanillaRhapsody]

210. Others have done just that....

And had he done so you would be singing his praises for it....he didnt

Thats what they make wheelchairs for.

[Art_from_Ark]

212. Have you ever had surgery "down there"?

Have you any idea what it feels like?

Bernie's vote would have been meaningless-- 52-48 instead of 52-47. Obama's going to veto that piece of shit bill anyway, and there aren't anywhere near enough votes to override it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

215. Have you?

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20970370,00.html

Bernie Sanders Has Hernia Surgery – And Goes Back to Work Less Than a Day Later

Seems budget meetings were important enough to be there one day after surgery

[Art_from_Ark]

223. I have had foot surgery

The first day out of the hospital, my foot felt I could walk 10 miles on it. However, the doctor recommended that I take some crutches home with me. "Why?" I said, "My foot feels great!" But I still took the crutches, and a good thing too, because the next day, when i was preparing to go to school, my foot hurt like the dickens. Every time I tried to walk unaided, my leg would collapse, it was so painful. I had to use those crutches for about a week, before the pain finally died down. And I'll tell you this-- the area of the body where a hernia occurs is FAR more sensitive than feet. Doctors recommend up to 2 weeks R&R after a hernia operation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

224. So?

"He's right back to work," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs tells PEOPLE. "He walked into the office this morning in the Dirksen building. He has Budget Committee meetings."

[Art_from_Ark]

230. Yeah, that's the first goddamn day after surgery

It doesn't feel so bad because the industrial-strength painkillers are still kicking in.

But then the industrial-strength painkillers start to wear off. In a man's most sensitive area.

Here's what another DUer had to say about their own experience with hernia surgery:

"The following day isn't so bad, but, good Lord, the next few days are miserable.

It's like your body is in shock the first day, but then the pain hits, like you said, with a ton of bricks after that."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=872263

[VanillaRhapsody]

238. For fucking budget meetings....

He is there less than a day later....for women and those that need health insurance not so much...




You are just conjecturing.....

[leftofcool]

255. And yet he went to a budget committee meeting. He has no excuse.

[VanillaRhapsody]

171. Was he?

Got anything besides speculation?

[kath]

68. Please see post 57, below.

Jeebus H. Christ

[jfern]

129. It was a rare missed vote because of his surgery a couple of days ago.

He's not Hillary who missed over 80% of her votes at this point in 2007.

[VanillaRhapsody]

174. Proof please

People roll in on wheelchairs to vote...

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20970370,00.html

[leftofcool]

256. Horse pucky!

He went to a budget committee meeting. No excuses!

[bkkyosemite]

31. He just had surgery and has been on the road

on top of it all. Please he knew it would get a veto

[MaggieD]

34. He was there yesterday speechifying

So his surgery is not an excuse. I guess he values his grandstanding speeches more than the actual work that counts - voting.

[Art_from_Ark]

75. Have you ever had hernia surgery?

Here's a DUer who has:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=872263

[MaggieD]

81. He can make a speech, but he can't vote?

Who knew hernias affected people like that.

[Art_from_Ark]

85. You have no freakin' idea

Absolutely no goddamn idea.

You should read about the procedure before making such ill-informed comments.

http://www.covidien.com/yourhernia/pagebuilder.aspx?page=Site:Recovery&topicID=168022

[MaggieD]

90. Please explain how he can make a speech after surgery

That you all bragged about by the way, but he can't vote? I anxiously await your response.

[Art_from_Ark]

93. Let FawkeEm explain that to you

You know, someone who has actually had hernia surgery.

"The following day isn't so bad, but, good Lord, the next few days are miserable.

It's like your body is in shock the first day, but then the pain hits, like you said, with a ton of bricks after that."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=872263

[MaggieD]

99. I'll pass on another Bernie supporters excuse

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/30/bernie-sanders-hernia-surgery

[Art_from_Ark]

100. And, just what does that article prove?

He was back to work the next day...
But the day after that?

LIke FawkeEm said, the first day after is not a problem-- but the days following can be really painful.

Really, you have no goddamn idea about hernia surgery.

[eridani]

149. Clinton misst 80% of Senate votes in 2007

[William769]

36. I love how everybody is using the excuse "obama" will veto it

To begin with it's President Obama (the disdain here knows no bounds). You all will use his name when it suits you when your fucking candidate is to damn lazy to go do his job. If you ask me it's another jab at the war on women since of course they are not white gun toting men.

What a fucking zoo this place has become.

[stevenleser]

45. And of course you were alerted. Jury voted 5-2 to keep

n Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:52 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I love how everybody is using the excuse "obama" will veto it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=872354

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. Posted by someone who called Bernie supporters white trash.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:59 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah, no, not cool. Jeez.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pathetic alert.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Can't think of anything that would matter.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MaggieD]

47. And the alert stalking continues

My god, it is so obvious it is embarrassing for them at this point.

[William769]

54. Thanks.

I knew it would be alerted on the second I hit the post button.

[Cha]

83. Thanks for jury results, Steven! Awesome!

[MaggieD]

46. Yep

SMH.

[Cha]

56. That's right, William.. It's President Obama. And, oh yeah.. when it's convenient they'll

use the President.

[senz]

63. Many of us feel no "disdain" whatsoever for Obama.

So you can drop that tired old canard.

And if you are of normal intelligence, you know perfectly well that there is NOTHING "lazy" about Senator Sanders.

Sorry you all are feeling so desperate for some reason.

[leftofcool]

67. Not lazy. He just doesn't care.

[kath]

72. Please read the rest of the thread before you go blathering on.HRC missed more than80% of votes in

The analogous time period in 2007.

[Cassiopeia]

89. And..... that was a time when BUSH was signing the bills into law.

[kath]

106. Yes. Good point. So it probably would have been a good idea for HRC and Obama to show up more than

10-20percent of the time.

[Cha]

84. You're not the one who's "blathering". Damn straight if Hllary had missed this vote it would be

another grand smear time.

Bernie missed it.. deal.

[William769]

71. Yep we are the desperate one's!

Quinnipiac Hillary 60% + 7 BS 30% - 5 MOM 2%

On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton widens her lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont to 60 - 30 percent, compared to 53 - 35 percent in a November 4 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll. Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley has 2 percent, with 6 percent undecided.


http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2307

have a good night. I know I will.

[senz]

80. But that's what I'm talking about.

Y'all say you're so confident about winning the nomination, yet you dump on Bernie every chance you get, and it's always over trivialities.

William, that's not how people act when they feel confident of victory. Victory is supposed to make people larger and more generous, not smaller and pettier.

And your little "wave" and smug sign off also do not convey an attitude of certainty about winning. They're too combative for that.

Or maybe some people see DU as a place to fight online. If so, it's too bad.

[beam me up scottie]

101. Ignore them, senz.

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They have been alerting on Bernie supporters all night, just trying to provoke us into hides.

This is just flamebait for the faithful, other than them no one on DU is buying this bullshit.

These threads are like little echo chambers, it's hilarious if you stand back and watch them pretend they're making a difference.

Remember the vast majority of us here support Bernie, not Hillary.




And it looks like I've picked up another stalker. Oh well, everyone has to have a hobby.

[senz]

103. You're probably right, bmus.

I was just trying to find out if there was a regular person in there. This situation makes me kinda sad. But yeah just let it go. It's not worth it. Yes, someone alerted on me last night (no hide) and a very nice Bernie supporter was alerted about an hour ago for a harmless OP, also no hide.

One good thing came out of this: I got to see bmus. One of the best!

[beam me up scottie]

109. Yep, 4 failed alerts on me tonight - that I know of.

Just got the results from the latest fail, the swarm is out, better watch your back.

Stay positive, my friend.

[kath]

111. Wow-4?! I think it's a good idea to post failed jury alerts - both for the beneficial effects of

Sunlight, plus it let's the alerted-on poster know what's going on. Not sure why the system doesn't let you know when a failed alert has been sent out on you...

[beam me up scottie]

114. Yeah, I always appreciate it, even if it's by pm.

You can also tell a lot by when you're alerted on, who you're responding to and how the alert is phrased.

For instance, all of my alerts tonight were on posts where I was responding to MaggieD.

I find that quite unusual.

[senz]

113. There's probably a list over at the other place

and you would be high on it. I think I've aroused a couple of grudges, but nothing like you. So you stay positive, too.

I wish they'd stop the darned swarming.

Okay, I'm falling asleep. Take care and don't give 'em anything, bmus.

[beam me up scottie]

115. Oh I know there is, we've seen it.

Anyone who challenges out the swift boating of Bernie is on it.

Have a good sleep, senz.

[senz]

351. Thanks for the Good Night.

That pup even looks like me; his paws are the same color as my hair!

I hope you got through the night unscathed by the forces of weevil. I got another alert this morning with one juror voting to hide. Their reason? "Just 'cuz." That is why they voted to hide my comment and attempt to set me up for a "vacation" from this place. Gaming the system, pure and simple. I wonder if the admins have any idea what's going on?

Protect yerself, kid. We need you 'round these parts.

[beam me up scottie]

352. He is adorable, isn't he?

Sorry to hear you got a jerk of a juror, I'd alert on the results so admin can take a look at that poster.

There were 5 failed alerts on me last night, one for just posting links to other posts. But the stalkers aren't going to silence us, just make us more determined to stand firm.

Hell, they're even keeping track of my post count and edits now, how obsessed are they? Some crazy shit going on around here.

Roll with it, senz!

[senz]

354. Yep, gives me something to live up to. :D

It sounds like they will alert on anything and everything you say, bmus. They know all they need is four of them to do the damage. I know you enjoy, and are good at, the back and forth, but one commenter who is having a positive effect w/little risk is the one who is an attorney and lives in texas; he pretty much confines his activity to well-written OPs.

I wish I could alert on the results, but I don't have them; another commenter who was on the jury told me about it.

Yeah, I think I'll give up trying to find any humanity in some folks.

[Warren DeMontague]

137. Damn, you're popular!

Just think of all the people letting you live in their heads, rent-free.

[beam me up scottie]

140. They're keeping track of my post count now, and even my EDITS!

I sure would hate to do anything to annoy them.

[R B Garr]

309. Manipulative people can use the edit function

to change posts based on responses, especially before the auto time stamp records your change. Most people wouldn't do that, though...

[beam me up scottie]

342. Edit.

[R B Garr]

131. You should take your own advice. Looks like

you posted almost 300 times in a couple days, so you have no credibiliy telling people to ignore something. Hilarious .

[R B Garr]

134. Nice edit before the time stamp!

Again.

[VanillaRhapsody]

177. He deserved the dumping

This is HUGELY tone deaf.

[VanillaRhapsody]

175. We are feeling desperate??,

[kath]

76. "To<sic> damn lazy to do his job"? HRC missed more than 80% of Senate votes during the period 10-12

Months before the 2008 election.
sanders has missed only around 5% of votes during the entire time he has been running for prez.

[tazkcmo]

280. No no no

Anything Sec. Clinton does is ok. She can do no wrong at all. She may have missed more than 80% of votes but Sen. Sanders missing one is totally worse.

[Capt. Obvious]

254. I don't know how you can stand this place Bill

[Cha]

367. ..

[leftofcool]

39. Of course he didn't Too busy campaigning and all.

[Cassiopeia]

48. Obama will not repeal the ACA or PP.

It's really that fucking simple.

If anyone thinks HRC or MO'M would have made this vote a priority with Obama sitting at the helm, you just don't get it.

What is this, the brazillionth time this has been tried?

[leftofcool]

53. Hillary would definitely have made this vote a priority.

[kath]

60. FACT - (see postbelow) during the similar period prior to the 2008 election, i.e.10-12 months prior,

Senator Clinton missed around 83.5% of votes. That's right - MORE THAN EIGHTY PERCENT.

[Cassiopeia]

64. Bullshit.

So Bernie shows up and votes.... resolution passes 52-48.

Some time in the nearish future, R's in the House add a bunch of other bs to this bill and pass it.

It goes back to the Senate, where through magic and unicorns they accept those horrific changes to a horrific bill, and send it on to the WH.

Obama veto's it the second it hits his desk.

The world continues to spin, the ACA is fully intact as it sits, and PP still has paltry funding as it has always had.

Yeah, today Bernie said fuck it, jumped in a backhoe, and knocked out the cornerstone of the ACA and PP.

[leftofcool]

69. Well, he did say it was a waste of his time.

Odd, since all the Dems showed up to vote.

[Cassiopeia]

77. Sadly, if Bernie had just showed up....

Nothing would have changed.

When HRC rolls half as hard as Bernie does, you might have some footing.....

[VanillaRhapsody]

182. Optics.....its called optics.

Epic Fail Sanders.....tone deaf until the bitter end.

[VanillaRhapsody]

178. Its about the optics

And its tone deaf....tone deafness is his biggest flaw.

[Cha]

96. Of course she would have.. because it is a Priority to her.

[VanillaRhapsody]

198. Thanks Obama

Bernie Sanders not so much....

[Cassiopeia]

295. Will you be saying that

When Bernie votes against the tpp and Obama gives fist pounding speeches on how important it is to pass it?

Probably, but hell, people vote against their own best interests every election.

[VanillaRhapsody]

300. Yes....i have a vagina and PP is very important in

my life!

[Cassiopeia]

305. PP is important in my life as well.

I stand up for the candidate that will protect it and the people that rely on its continued funding.

The people are more important than sexual organs.

[VanillaRhapsody]

319. Not to me....my reproductive rights means freedom

I suspect you have forgotten that....but there is no issue more important than MY freedom.

[kath]

57. FACT (not that it will matter to many here): Sanders has missed a MUCH much smaller percentage of

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Senate votes while running for President compared to the other Senators running for 2016 and the 4Senators who ran in 2008 - INCLUDING Senators Clinton and Obama.
During the period ranging from 10-12 months before the General election (and in fact during the ENTIRE period since Sanders declared) Sanders has missed about 5% of votes, while HRC missed around 83.5% (!!) during the comparable period in 2007.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251764131 (corrected this link, on edit)




(There is a very good graph in the OP to that thread, which I was unable to get to paste here, due to my poor tech skillz. If someone could post it here, I would really appreciate it.) (on edit - got it to post -Thanks OS!)

[beam me up scottie]

74. Why let the facts get in the way of a good poutrage session?

After all, Bernie is the real enemy of women, not the Republicans.

Let them have it, it's just fodder for the faithful.

Women know Bernie has their back, and Obama does too.

[MaggieD]

88. The facts are that Bernie wants the ACA repealed too

Because in his fantasies he thinks that will help single payer pass. That's lunacy of course. Typical pie in the sky Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

95. *SQUAWK* BERNIE HATES WOMEN/ACA/CAPITALISM *SQUAWK*

[seabeyond]

97. Squawk? What is that suppose to be?

[beam me up scottie]

116. Well I would have likened it to a broken record but then I'd be dating myself.

[Major Hogwash]

104. Do you know if Florida has many people signed up for ACA?

I was looking for some figures about the number of people signed up for ACA in different states, but I couldn't find the percentage for the state of Florida.
It's pretty popular here in Idaho.

[beam me up scottie]

105. That's a good question, I wonder if anyone here knows the answer?

Of course they would have to stop Bernie bashing for a few minutes to find out, and we can't have THAT.

[senz]

108. Perfect.

[kath]

110. Yes, perfect.

Bmus is teh awesome!

[senz]

119. Totally.

You got that right.

[davidpdx]

132. Please provide a link where Bernie Sanders said that

I won't hold my breath for you to even bother to answer after making up a bullshit accusation.

[MaggieD]

87. Has nothing to do with the number

It has to do with the importance.

[Cha]

94. Exactly.. the significance. "Senate votes to repeal key Obamacare provisions, defund Planned

Parenthood."

And, the closeness..

Senators voted 52-47 to pass the bill. Two moderate Republicans — Susan Collins of Maine and Mark Kirk of Illinois — joined Democrats in opposing the bill. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., was absent.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/03/senate-votes-repeal-key-obamacare-provisions-defund-planned-parenthood/76719174/

[davidpdx]

133. Your buddy Maggie says Sanders wants to repeal the ACA

I think that is just a swell thing to say. It goes to prove how low Clinton supporters will stoop.

[Omaha Steve]

123. Graph

[kath]

126. Thanks, Steve!

[Major Hogwash]

125. He's been pretty consistent.

Unlike someone else who is running this year.

[kath]

62. And FWIW, Sen Obama missed almost 90% of Sen votes during the period 12mos before the 2008 election

[PatrickforO]

82. Give me a break.

[akbacchus_BC]

98. Did Bernie know ahead of time that there would be a vote on ACA?

If he had, he would surely show up to vote.

[Starry Messenger]

112. Funny, I saw a lot of people this week posting on his great vigor.

If I were them, I would not play up the frail angle, just saying.

[Omaha Steve]

120. Bernie was NOT OUT CAMPAIGNING

(But you just brought up the old fight about Hillary's missed votes in 08 when she ran for POTUS!

If the shoe fits...

DEC 4, 2015 @ 01:46 AM
Why Bernie Sanders Didn't Vote on the Senate Planned Parenthood Defunding Bill

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ellenkilloran/2015/12/04/why-bernie-sanders-didnt-vote-on-the-senate-planned-parenthood-defunding-bill/

The U.S. Senate voted 52-47 on Thursday to repeal key provisions of Obamacare including the removal of federal funding for Planned Parenthood. Only 99 of a possible 100 votes were cast — missing one Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT), who earlier this week was hailed as a champion supporter of Planned Parenthood by way of an impassioned speech on the Senate floor.

In the wake of Friday’s deadly shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic, Sanders spoke out against “a witch hunt for an organization that provides critical health care services, from reproductive health care to cancer screenings and preventative services to millions of Americans.”

Earlier in his speech, Sanders expressed his disdain for the political machinery driving the proposed legislation to dismantle the Affordable Care Act:

“The bill we are debating today is a complete waste of time. This is just another reason why the American people have so little respect for the Congress. There are major crises facing our country, and the Republican leadership once again is attempting to repeal Obamacare…. Obama is not going to sign a bill repealing Obamacare. I think that is not likely to happen.”

FULL story at link.

[kath]

121. Thanks, Steve. Hey, I linked to an OP you made a while back in my post #57 here and I wanted to post

The great multi-colored graph from your OP, but couldn't do it. If you could post it, or tell me how to, that would be great. Here is the link to your OP http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251764131

[beam me up scottie]

124. THANK YOU!!!

I am so tired of the swift boaters here, they will say anything to smear Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

204. ^^^THAT needs to posted as an op so they will stop lying about it.^^^

[seabeyond]

213. Expressing opinion on a missed vote is not lying. You readily resort to insults.

[beam me up scottie]

214. "You readily resort to insults" Say hello kettle!

[seabeyond]

217. No, not really. But, consistent on your part to answer with an insult.

[beam me up scottie]

219. Posting a gif and a common saying is an insult now?

[seabeyond]

222. You called me a hypocrite. I have not been insulting and calling people names thru out this thread.

[beam me up scottie]

227. "thru out this thread" - that's your qualifier, not mine.

[seabeyond]

265. Not really. Find me one of my many many many posts where I feel the need to call people names.

Using this thread was purposeful, for anyone that might wants to take a look. A ready example.

[beam me up scottie]

266. So you never insulted anyone here - ever? Because that was the original accusation.

[polly7]

220. Huh?

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[polly7]

226. Right?

I could say so, so much, but I won't ......... cause, yanno - [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

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[beam me up scottie]

229. I know, believe me I know! Almost feels like I'm being set up for a hide...

But no one would ever do that here, would they?

LOVE those smilies!

[polly7]

233. Noooooo ............ they wouldn't do something like THAT!

Careful, bmus.

Clothes are dry, gotta go ....... have a great day!

[CBGLuthier]

128. Yeah because in some people's minds 52-48 is a different outcome from 52-47

It ain't about the point spread ya know. If we want to play the missed vote game I sure wish someone had missed her chance to vote for war. Just sayin.

[NCTraveler]

130. I'm glad we have democrats on record with their vote. Nt

[Kalidurga]

136. Bernie was out campaigning.

You have proof of this of course.

[Warren DeMontague]

138. So now senate votes matter?

Cough IWR cough

[VanillaRhapsody]

183. Yeah....when you are campaining to win their votes

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Guess Bernie doesn't need that female vote afterall....

[PoliticalMalcontent]

141. As you mentioned Obama will veto this PoS. Outrage over a symbolic vote is ridiculous.

If Sanders had voted on this bill nothing would have changed and Sanders would have lost valuable time in the campaign cycle.

If Clinton had voted on this bill nothing would have changed and she would have lost valuable time in the campaign cycle.

Sanders decided to campaign instead, which seems prudent when comparing deficit in name recognition to the meaningless of this particular vote.

This anger by certain people is asinine and transparent. It's even more ridiculous when you see how often Sanders votes compared to other presidential hopefuls past and present. (Link: Source) You know he'll be there for all of the votes that matter.

"Haters gonna hate."

[VanillaRhapsody]

179. Tone deaf

Bernie's biggest achilles heel. He just cannot help himself. He really doesnt understand politics very well.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

316. Tone deaf or pragmatic?

I realize I'm not going to change your mind, but if Sanders was in the House instead of the Senate I sure as hell wouldn't want him wasting time voting on the same issue 50+ times when he has better things to do. I view this as an extension of the ACA House votes. Completely pointless.

You want the be pissed? Be pissed that there were 52 senators willing to repeal the ACA and defund Planned Parenthood. If one of your senators voted in favor of the bill, consider giving them a call to explain why you feel that is a terrible idea.

Complaining about an irrelevant non-vote strikes me as political gamesmanship with very little to gain.

[VanillaRhapsody]

318. WTF is pragmatic about missing THAT vote?

Ridic.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

321. It's pragmatic to divvy up his time in a meaningful way.

Time spent on a vote that changes nothing is the antithesis of pragmatic. He spent his time wisely.

[VanillaRhapsody]

327. He certainly divied up enough to attend budget meetings

[PoliticalMalcontent]

329. If he had voted what would that have changed?

[VanillaRhapsody]

331. To me....you better believe it..

He fucking just doesnt care. .this proves what HIS priorities are doesnt it..

Every other genuine Democrat found the time to make a stand...and showed up..

[PoliticalMalcontent]

335. Nothing tangible changes though, which is my point.

I get the feeling that how you feel in this matter is dictated by your opinions in the upcoming primaries. You're all in for Hillary and while there is nothing wrong with that it is clouding your ability to view this particular non-vote with rationality. You just want a reason to tear Sanders down, even if (in my view) it isn't a particularly good one.

Anyway, have a nice day VanillaRhapsody.

[joshcryer]

144. Oh man this is so sad.

As kristopher posted Senators running for President miss votes, it's not a big deal, particularly when the vote wouldn't matter.

This is just mud flinging for the sake of it.

[Warren DeMontague]

154. One wonders what it is, exactly, that Bernie has done to make some people loathe him so much.

Oh, yeah, he ran.

[beam me up scottie]

155. Got in the way of the coronation.

Bad Bernie!

[VanillaRhapsody]

181. Tone deafness

But White males don't seem to get that.....its a flaw alot of them have.

[Warren DeMontague]

186. Hmmm. I think a lot of people are battling odd creatures that exist entirely in their own heads

and the rest of us - like Senator Sanders - are just poorly enlisted as stand-ins for... whatever it is that is bugging them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

192. Odd tone deaf creatures?

[Warren DeMontague]

194. I also suspect the only thing Sanders has actually been "tone deaf" on

is not hearing that it's a certain candidate's turn, dammit.

[VanillaRhapsody]

196. Oh he really wants those female votes huh?

Tone deaf...

I guess he is banking on enough White male votes to win.

[Warren DeMontague]

197. again, you're having a conversation with someone who isn't even here

arguing points that are only happening in your own head.

so just answer your own posts and pretend it's me. Enjoy!

[VanillaRhapsody]

199. I am not arguing....you have no point

[Warren DeMontague]

203. Au contraire, mon frere

[VanillaRhapsody]

207. Well I was trying not to notice

Your cranium

[Warren DeMontague]

208. Cant hide it

Although lord knows enough alerters have tried

[VanillaRhapsody]

180. You call it mud flinging ..i call it tone deaf....yet again.

[joshcryer]

189. Unlike a lot of people...

...if a Congress votes for or doesn't vote for something and the votes don't matter because the other side has the majority, I don't care about it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

191. Optics

And tone deafness.....what a way to run a campaign.

[seabeyond]

216. With what he campaigns on, on the hugeness of attack on PP, this vote mattered as a statement to

voters.

You may not care, and I get that. Most of the votes, I wouldn't care either. This is a specific vote, that he campaigns on, and couldn't be bothered or see the necessity in speaking out with his vote.

It was the wrong vote to miss.

He often and critically calls out Obama and comparing him and our party to Republicans. Supporting Obama here would be to his advantage. ACA is a clear difference, and though just a step, a step toward what Sanders advocate.

PP is about women.

His vote would have been that Democratic support the base says Sanders lacks as an Independent and continually attacking Obama. Setting aside women by not bothering with the vote on PP absolutely reinforces the belief that women are simply not a priority for Sanders.

This vote mattered.

Here he is wanting my vote, the Democratic base vote, and two very big issues weren't priority. What if it was on an issue he actually values? Would he have made himself available?

[eridani]

151. Missed 5% of votes compared with Clinton missing 80% in 2007

[the_sly_pig]

172. This is fun...

Bernie and Hillary are both life long public servants.

But....

Bernie is a misogynist and is lazy because he missed a vote.

Hillary loves war and hates traditional progressives.

I bet you could find conversations like these on Trump supporter websites. I wish I could think of a really clever 'gotcha' so I could show all my friends....

[VanillaRhapsody]

184. No Bernie is proven tone deaf

Yet again.....if you want tha Black vote....you gotta do the optics....if you want the female vote you gotta do the optics...if you want the votes of those being saved by Obamacares....you gotta do the optics....and thi would have been the LEAST he could do.
...

[workinclasszero]

190. Damn...good job Bernie

[Scuba]

202. See post # 57.

[FloridaBlues]

205. His job is to vote but chasing the dream of being the nominee is more important I guess

[notadmblnd]

211. Well I'm certain he was just out loafing

Did it escape you the the man just had surgery just the other day? You're really going to smear the man for not voting? How much lower are you willing to go?

[VanillaRhapsody]

221. Did THIS escape you?

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20970370,00.html
Bernie Sanders Has Hernia Surgery – And Goes Back to Work Less Than a Day Later

"He's right back to work," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs tells PEOPLE. "He walked into the office this morning in the Dirksen building. He has Budget Committee meetings."

[notadmblnd]

232. No. So what's your point?

Because I think that you just want someone to say something as nasty about you- as you do about Senator Sanders in order to play the alert and hide game.

I'll ask the question of you now, how much lower are you willing to go with your display of hatred?

[VanillaRhapsody]

235. He sure showed up for budget meetings

Only one day later....

Your non point just got blown up.

[notadmblnd]

242. I hope you never have to undergo any invasive surgical procedures in your lower abdomen

I would hate to think that people would display the same level hatefulness in regards to you as you display towards Senator Sanders.

You have a nice day now.

[VanillaRhapsody]

245. He was at budget meetings the very next fucking day...

[notadmblnd]

248. Seriously? You think adding the word "fuck" to your post

is going to do- what? Do you think your nasty tone is going to make me angry enough to engage in the hateful display people are engaging in in regards to Senator Sanders?

What other swear words you got?

[VanillaRhapsody]

249. It just felt good....did it fucking bother you?

[notadmblnd]

257. Not at all, it amused me.

My day always goes better when I get a morning chuckle from someone who can't play nice with others because I know their day is already diminished by their hateful thinking.

Does doing what you do here really make you feel good throughout the day?

Personally, I think if I engaged in that behavior- the stress in my neck and shoulders would cause my head to feel like it was about to explode.

[VanillaRhapsody]

259. Still wrong....he went back to work the next fucking day

You no legs to stand on.

[notadmblnd]

267. I have two working legs. Hopefully you'll always have the use of yours too.

I thought you was going to show me more swear words? Oh well, I have some errands to run. Feel free to keep enjoying your self here though.

[VanillaRhapsody]

272. But no more valid excuse for Sanders...

DUer mcar went back to work at his job the next day after the exact same surgery....and I bet that job is more intense than a Senate vote. In fact Sanders went to budget meetings the next day. But this....defending the greatest achievement for Democrats in decades...from a guy who FINALLY became a Democrat despite disparaging them for years and running against them.....he's absent. Planned Parenthood on the chopping block for bullshit...he doesnt show.....but a fucking budget meeting? There the day after surgery.

As I recall you tried to blame this on his surgery "down there"..that has been proven utter hogwash

[leftofcool]

258. Not an excuse period!

He can show up for a budget meeting but he can't be bothered to vote on women's issues.

[notadmblnd]

262. Riiiight, because Senator Sanders hates women.

Yeah, he always avoids votes when it comes to women's issues.

By the way- how you feeling this morning? Stress levels down? Neck and shoulders feel all nice and relaxed?

[VanillaRhapsody]

270. Well he managed to make budget meetings one day after

Surgery. But this is what he blew off?

Shows where HIS priorities lie..

[Vinca]

225. Gee, I bet Hillary never missed a vote.

I'm betting Bernie is on the fence since he wants Medicare for all. Maybe his absence was a conscious protest since it's not a big secret Obama will veto this.

[VanillaRhapsody]

228. Gee Hillary isnt in desperate need of that

Womens vote...
Tone deaf again!

Or politically naive

[Vinca]

234. Once again I don't understand your post.

The last post you responded to you seemed to think I was pro-gun. Now you seem to think I'm not a woman. I give up. I think I'll put you on ignore.

[VanillaRhapsody]

236. Planned Parenthood ring any bells for you?

[Vinca]

237. Veto power ring any bells for you?

[VanillaRhapsody]

239. Optics ring any bells for you?

He was at fucking budget meetings ....fucking meetings....the very next day!

[bowens43]

231. this is dead in the water. everyone knows that.

see a lot of desperation in the hillary camp.....more ridiculous smear attempts. exactly what we could expect from hillary if she is ever able to get her hands on the presidency....

[leftofcool]

261. Smear? Did he show up to vote or not?

[workinclasszero]

283. Reality = smear attempt??

Hey Bernie was too busy to do the job he was elected to do.....fact.

Deal with it.

[fredamae]

240. A Headline "we" musta missed

as we compare voting records

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama has missed the most votes of any Democratic presidential hopeful in the Senate over the last two months, including a vote on an Iran resolution he has blasted Sen. Hillary Clinton for supporting."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/02/obama.missed.votes/

[VanillaRhapsody]

241. Did he DESPERATELY need those votes?

Like Bernie does the female vote?

He was at his office for budget meetings the very next fucking day!

[fredamae]

244. Sorry-I didn't

mean to touch a nerve.

[VanillaRhapsody]

246. Planned Parenthood...

You damn skippy....it strikes a nerve for everyone with a uterus!

[fredamae]

251. I have a Uterus.

Now we're veering off topic.

[VanillaRhapsody]

263. So? Does PP not matter to you?

[fredamae]

268. It absolutely Does matter

Would Sanders Vote have changed the outcome? Was the outcome Easily foreseeable?
And IF "we're" gonna criticize Senator Sanders otherwise hard to follow attendance record...in All fairness we cannot ignore the other candidates attendance records who campaigned while serving in the senate now can we?

"From Jan 2001 to Jan 2009, Clinton missed 249 of 2,616 roll call votes, which is 9.5%. This is much worse than the median of 2.0% among the lifetime records of senators serving in Jan 2009. The chart below reports missed votes over time.""
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00329

If you go to the chart it will demonstrate Sen Clintons attendance record-showing her own 2008 campaign demanded time away from her votes by as much as 83%. You can also see her voting attendance slipping shortly after her announcement to run in early 2007.
So, what's the beef with Bernies absence yesterday-when the rubber hits the road-I highly doubt he placed the outcome at Any risk whatsoever? I have a feeling if one researched All the votes HRC (and Sen Obamas) missed in the identical situation-missed votes had zero impact on the outcome of that legislation either.

[VanillaRhapsody]

269. Then HE absolutely should have shown up!

He sure as shit made it to budget meetings one day after surgery!

[fredamae]

278. Why? Would his Vote

have made one iota of difference? If he had Voted would the outcome be different?
Would the votes Clinton and Obama missed made one iota of difference? No.
This is, imo-one of the lamest attempts to make something out of nothing I've seen in awhile.

I was a full-on HRC supporter back then...I remember cringing when I saw these "attacks" against her-then...until I learned to see the reality of the consequence of Not being there VS the desired political points made/advertised by the opposition.

[VanillaRhapsody]

279. Because he wants the votes of vaginal Americans?

All the other Dems managed to show up anyways.

He made it to fucking budget meetings one day after surgery....but THIS is what he blew off.

[fredamae]

287. Nice Try

I, for one will not be reduced to the "vaginal vote". I a woman And a senior citizen, my husband, my sons, their wives, my granddaughters, grandsons, my sister, my cousins--are all voting for Bernie based upon his decades long support for "vaginas, testicles, elderly, kids, veterans and Much more"...ALL of us.

Would the outcome of any piece of legislation have been different if Sen Clinton, Sen Obama had been there due to their missed votes? No.

This is one of the lamest attempt's yet to hold Sanders to a higher standard than they are willing to hold those in identical circumstances.
Why do we not also discuss Sen Clintons/Sen Obamas attendance record Jan 2007-Jan 2009? It demonstrates SOP, after-all.

I ask you again: If Sen Sanders had been there to vote yesterday-Would his One vote Changed the outcome? Yes or No.

[VanillaRhapsody]

326. Reproductive Rights equal freedom

Your vaginal mileage may differ...

[fredamae]

337. On topic

"I ask you again: If Sen Sanders had been there to vote yesterday-Would his One vote Changed the outcome? Yes or No."
Now we're off on "my vaginal mileage"? lol

[Bjorn Against]

290. Vaginal Americans?

What the hell is a vaginal American?

And why do you not understand that returning to work does not necessarily mean he is able to work a full time schedule? He is still recovering from surgery.

[VanillaRhapsody]

328. Americans with Vaginas...

But then you knew that....

[Bjorn Against]

339. I think I will refrain from using that term to describe women

[peace13]

243. Vote 52-47......and your point is?

Please don't make us burp back any of Hills bad votes. It's a dark and scary place.

[VanillaRhapsody]

247. Bad optics....

We women WILL take note.

He managed to make his precious budget meetings one day after surgery.

[leftofcool]

264. The point is he didn't show up to vote, yet all other Democrats did.

He went to a budget committee meeting but couldn't be bothered to show up and vote on an issue important to women.

[Doctor_J]

250. That's it! I am switching to Clinton!

This completely negates his differences with Hillary on healthcare, the Iraq War, pentagon budgets, school funding, infrastructure spending, living wage, Wall Street regulation, and climate change!

Thank god you posted this...I might have done something I regret.

[LiberalArkie]

284. I am so happy that ACA and Planned Parenthood are all shut down.

Now congress can get to the important things. Those 2 things have been stopping congress from doing anything.


Also I note how it seems that all the Clinton supporters have been so healthy in their lives as to not ever needing surgery with a general anesthesia. You are truly blessed and it goes to prove that you must be on the correct side of the Democratic nomination debate. I am sorry that I was not so blessed in life. I guess that explains why I like Bernie. I can understand why Bernie voted early in the week. I went to work after surgery to reattach my fingers to my hand, I FELT GOOD. Damn good. But a couple of days later, I just wanted to die. It was the same thing with a hernia operation in my late 30's. You know one thing they down tell you when they give you the script for the pain meds. They don't tell you to take mineral oil and drink plenty of fluids. Your colon comes to a screeching halt if you don't.

I know the unlucky Bernie supporters know that, hell we are just regular folks. I was just mentioning it for all the lucky Clinton people out there.

[leftofcool]

302. Bernie obviously had no problems since he did attend his budget committee meeting.

Couldn't be bothered to vote though.

[Bluenorthwest]

288. A full look at campaigning while in Congress, current and 2008 who missed how much....

Most missed votes, by far, currently are all Republicans. While Clinton has missed more votes in the last year than Sanders, the current candidate who has missed the least votes is Rand Paul, so missing the least votes might not be the finest indication of excellence we have available to us.
https://www.govtrack.us/blog/2015/10/27/presidential-candidates-miss-votes/

Obama missed nearly 80% of his votes while running, including a few he himself had declared to be very important, an Iran Resolution which Hillary supported and Obama said was a blank check for Bush, she voted and he did not. Blank check, I oppose, she is wrong, but why bother.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/02/obama.missed.votes/

[kath]

307. Yes. Check this out:

(again. For those who are not impervious to facts)

[Bluenorthwest]

291. Was this the 61st 'vote to repeal Obamacare' in the Congress or just the 55th? Hard to say....

"It’s hard to say with confidence exactly how many times congressional Republicans have voted to repeal all or part of the Affordable Care Act. Everyone can agree that it’s happened several dozen times, and we know that in each instance the vote served no practical purpose, but these gambits have happened so often, exact tallies vary.

Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee yesterday put the grand total at 60, which is probably about right, though it’s apparently now time to update the never-ending list. The Associated Press reported yesterday:

House Republicans advanced legislation Tuesday to dismantle President Barack Obama’s health law that could actually reach the president’s desk.

The House GOP has voted more than 50 times to repeal all or parts of the health law. Almost all the bills died in the Senate. But this time, Republicans are using a special process that prevents Senate Democrats from blocking the legislation."

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/yet-another-obamacare-repeal-vote


So this is in fact, just another repetition of the same empty pandering by the Republicans. This time they make use of 'sequestration' rules to get it through the Senate. Obama will veto, it can not be over ridden. I know this, Bernie knows this, Obama knows this and all of Hillary's supporters know this even as they smear and smirk.
It's like they've not been paying any attention to Congress nor to past election cycles. Vapid.

[bigtree]

298. I'm not so sure legislators should be as cavalier about these votes as you

...especially this one, the first to achieve a stand-alone vote in the Senate.

What kind of opposition leaves the legislative floor to republicans? Why leave the symbolism to republicans? The fact that the numbers point to a dead-on-arrival bill isn't an excuse to sit on their hands. Voters need to see our party's commitment to fight. Democrats still need to stand up and be counted.

Doesn't it bother you that the 'repeal' is a president's veto away from passage?

[Bluenorthwest]

338. No because I can count and I understand that under the rules of sequestration which are in play the

vote was going to happen and the thing would pass no matter what. I also know the President will veto it. There are not enough votes to override that veto, but if I was all about showing up for show, that's when being there might actually count. I have zero need to see empty gestures and I have a great deal of respect for the few legislators who bother to understand the process. Symbols are for the faith based, process and procedure is what makes law.
This is just another of the dozens of votes to repeal they have made. When it returns from the WH, THAT will be a vote different from all these others. That's when I'd clear my day and show up.

I intensely dislike double standards. Bernie misses fewer votes as candidate than Obama, fewer than Hillary both times. You know which candidate/sitting Congress critter has the very best record of casting votes? Rand Paul.

[valerief]

303. Just another waste of taxpayer money. Is this their 40,000th vote to repeal ACA? nt

[workinclasszero]

308. Repeal ACA, defund Planned Parenthood, Bernies a no show.

Vote for massive fighter plane boondoggle , vote to kill the Brady Bill, vote to protect big gun manufacturers against lawsuits by victims of their products. Bernie is there 24/7 you betcha ya!

[Bubzer]

311. And how many votes has hillary missed, Hmmm?

I guarantee you it's more than merely one.

[leftofcool]

314. Hillary is not currently in the Senate.

Therefore, she can't vote.

[Bluenorthwest]

343. When she was a Senator in 08, she missed lots of votes, not as many as Obama or McCain but way more

than Sanders. This year's Republican candidates skip votes at a dizzying rate, making even McCain look good. With the exception of Rand Paul, a man who casts his votes more than most. He's also a right wing crank with a dead candidacy. His right wing crank father Ron Paul missed lots of votes while running for President lots of times.....

Bernie actually has a better voting record as candidate than either Hillary or Obama. This is a silly, silly line of attack. Not taking part in Republican expeditions into the Drama Box is not a bad thing. The vote to override the veto, if they bother to take one, that is a vote worth making, both actually and optically.

If we want any candidates who are sitting in Congress, they will miss votes. That's how it is.

[kath]

350. Here:

[Armstead]

341. Impeach the Bastard

[senz]

364. How dare you?

This man works harder for all the right causes than any other candidate currently running for President.

The day after undergoing hernia surgery, 12-1-15, Bernie Sanders delivered a hard-hitting speech on the Senate floor denouncing his Republican colleagues for trying to gut the Affordable Care Act and defund Planned Parenthood!

How many Senators got out there to denounce what the Republicans were doing? Whether or not he could be there to cast a vote (which wouldn't change a thing), he took the time and went to the Senate to say what needed to be said about it. The day after undergoing surgery.

“Instead of throwing seventeen million Americans off of health insurance,” Bernie Sanders said. “What we should be doing is expanding on the improvements of the Affordable Care Act to make healthcare a right of all people, not just a privilege. Further, let us be clear. And I think everybody here in the Senate understands this. The bill we are debating today is a complete waste of time.… Obama is not going to sign a bill repealing Obamacare.”

Sen. Bernie Sanders also criticized his Republican colleagues for attacking Planned Parenthood while denouncing what he described as a pointless vote. “Now is not the time to continue a witch hunt for an organization that provides critical health care services, from reproductive health care to cancer screenings and preventative services to millions of women,” Sanders said on the Senate floor. “No one is forced to seek care at Planned Parenthood. It is a choice — a choice millions of women make freely and proudly.”

He also denounced the GOP’s efforts to push a bill through that would not only defund Planned Parenthood, but gut the Affordable Care Act, aka “Obamacare,” knowing that President Barack Obama would probably veto it.

“This is just another reason why the American people have so little respect for the Congress,” Sanders said.

What Bernie said on the floor of the Senate carried far more meaning than a vote that wouldn't have made a difference.

YOU would be extremely fortunate to have Bernie Sanders as your President in 2017.

[polly7]

366. I didn't realize he had made that speech the day after surgery.

Good for him - he knew what was important to do, did it, and what his lone vote would not accomplish.

From reading this thread, you'd think he'd purposefully ignored the whole thing. I can see why though his opponents would have hoped he'd miss a day of campaigning for something that was already predetermined ....... they're transparent like that.