Hey Iowans and Minorities: Hillary Is Ruining Your Historic Tradition

[berni_mccoy]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/12/03/2-candidates-object-to-restriction/76738460/

Two presidential hopefuls are objecting to a national Democratic Party rule that will prohibit all the candidates from being on stage together for the Iowa Black & Brown forum — a major departure from history, they say.

The Iowa forum is the oldest minorities-focused presidential event in America, and it's tradition for all the candidates to be on stage together for a lively question-and-answer session about issues that black and Hispanic voters care most about.

But this year, the Democratic National Committee has warned that candidates can only appear on stage individually, otherwise they'll be in violation of the party's "exclusivity" rules and excluded future DNC-sponsored debates.

What rule is that again? The one that Hillary's Florida Campaign Chair and DNC Head, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz created to limit exposure of the other candidates. DWS MUST GO!

But wait there's more:

The campaigns for both Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley are speaking out against the restriction on the Black & Brown forum.

In contrast, frontrunner Hillary Clinton on Thursday declined to join the call to change the format.

And DNC officials declined to waive the decree for the Iowa event.

DWS needs to be removed as DNC CHAIR!

[maindawg]

1. So if Bernie and Martin break this rule?

Who will Hillary debate?

[A Simple Game]

6. Video of herself from a stump speech from a month ago? n/t

[demwing]

7. Nah, she'd lose for sure /nt

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[A Simple Game]

25. Shouldn't it be zero sum though? n/t

[Live and Learn]

155. ROFL

[SidDithers]

2. ...

Sid

[leftofcool]

3. ...

[SidDithers]

22. She's going to ruin all you hold near and dear!!...

It'll be the end of everything!! Life as you know it will come crashing to an end!!

The hyperbole at this place is so fucking laughable, sometimes.



Sid

[leftofcool]

38. Better start prepping right now.

[Treant]

90. A Vote For Hillary

Is A Vote For The Collapse Of The Higgs Field And The End Of The Universe!

[Kentonio]

4. They need to break the rule and DNC be damned

This is getting beyond a joke now. Can anyone think of a single damn reason why the candidates all being on stage together would hurt the party in any way whatsoever?

[tecelote]

17. Yes.

"...Democratic Party rule that will prohibit all the candidates from being on stage together..."

Then let Bernie and Martin debate. Without Hillary, they aren't breaking the rule.

[d_legendary1]

150. Then she plays the gender card

And reminds people why its important for her to be the first female POTUS. I do believe they thought of everything.

[askew]

165. Bernie refuses to. O'Malley has been willing to buck DNC rules since the summer but

Bernie won't do it.

And the lack of debates and visibility of our primary is killing enthusiasm on the Dem side according to latest polls.

[NCTraveler]

5. This is just like the move on issue.

A small group here are going to act like they care, then once the event actually happens Clinton supporters will be the only ones discussing the issues brought up about the event itself.

Transparent.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. First you characterize your rivals, then you predict their future behavior then you bash them for

that which you prophecy they will do. Charming.

[retrowire]

13. What a script! lol nt

[MoonRiver]

24. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Just saying.

[beerandjesus]

34. Of course, that's EXACTLY why so many of us are down on Hillary in the first place.

And pro-Bernie

[MoonRiver]

59. Hillary' record on so many issues

that I care deeply about is awesome. That's why I support her over Bernie.

[retrowire]

61. So you ignore the past behavior you just said was so important? nt

[MoonRiver]

65. What past behavior are you talking about?

[retrowire]

69. Hillary's.

Why else would a majority of people accuse her of being politically expedient and changing her mind and tone when it suits her?

It was a major debate question for her too.

[MoonRiver]

74. Majority of Democrats support her and plan to vote for her.

But maybe you're talking about Republicans.

[retrowire]

78. If you believe that then fine.

But if you really want Hillary to win. DON'T LET COMPLACENCY be her downfall.

Hillary's got WAY too many supporters doing nothing but thinking she's got this in the bag. that kind of mindset loses elections fast.

So just, volunteer for yours, I'll volunteer for mine.

But don't sit there thinking everything is fine.

Because its not.

Just a friendly reminder to you from us. I mean that sincerely and with no malice. Because I don't like Hillary as a president, but even Bernie would agree, she's better than the Republicans.

I just want to shake the whole tree and get out of this fucking oligarchy, rather than pick the low hanging fruit and be careful not to step on certain toes as Hillary would do. We don't have time for slow careful measures anymore.

But enough about my views on this. Just work for her as I'm working for Bernie. Either way, Dems need to win.

[MoonRiver]

112. Don't know why you assume that Hillary's supporters are doing nothing.

There's plenty of ground work going on. I am disabled, at least temporarily, so I can only do phone, internet or snail mail work. But work I will.

And I totally agree with you that we must defeat the Repubs. I'll work my ass off for whomever gets the Dem nomination. It looks like Hillary, but if Bernie or Martin win, he will be my candidate.

[retrowire]

115. well I'm not saying all Hillary

supporters are complacent.

but of any of the candidates who's fans think they've got this, Hillary's are the most.

[MoonRiver]

119. Still don't understand how you know what perfect strangers are doing.

Most supporters I know, and I do know some, are not taking anything for granted, even though her poll numbers look very good.

[Nitram]

122. Bernie supporters have a lot of preconceptions...

...and they're going to stick to them no matter what!

[bvar22]

181. Shhhhh!

Just look at the Polls.

Everybody just sit home and relax.
No need to volunteer or GOTV for Hillary.
That would be just wasted effort at this point.

She's The ONE!!!!
Hillary has this one in the BAG!

[Dawgs]

68. Iraq war? Don't care deeply about it or you thought her vote was awesome?

[MoonRiver]

73. She stated she was wrong on that vote.

I so respect her for admitting that and totally trust her judgement now and yes in the future

[Dawgs]

120. Whoa! "Totally trust her judgement now and yes in the future".

Okay, then.

[MoonRiver]

138. Yes indeed!

Can't wait to say Madame President, for several reasons.

[Dawgs]

148. Oh, there's the problem. She will never be President. n/t

[MoonRiver]

149. IYHO of course

[Fawke Em]

187. I'll wait - until it's President Warren.

(I don't like that "madame" shit. Sounds like the woman is presiding over a brothel. Surely, there's a better honorary than that?)

[NCTraveler]

140. You clearly missed the feinged outrage over the moveon event.

It was pointed out the next day that those that displayed their outrage didn't even know when the event took place. Seriously, that was just over a week ago. Dozens of ops about Clinton not attending, and nothing about the event itself. Well, except for a solid Clinton supporter. I am making no wild assumption here. Not even close.

[askew]

166. Hillary supporters don't discuss issues. Hell, Hilary barely discusses issues.

It's all vague nonsense, PR spin, polling and fundraising $s.

O'Malley's discussing issues and his supporters here have been putting up substantive topics which immediately sink to the bottom while the latest poll news is slobbered over by Hillary supporters.

[NCTraveler]

177. O'Malley rocks and I recc and kick almost every positive op for him.

You thoughts on Clinton are simply laughable.

[bvar22]

172. "Clinton supporters discussing issues"

Made me laugh!

[NCTraveler]

176. Nothing better than a Friday afternoon laugh.

Have a great weekend.

[Fawke Em]

185. We talked about them over in the Bernie group.

We know Clinton's positions (which is why we aren't voting for her).

[NCTraveler]

190. I stopped going in there.

Was booted after making one pro Sanders post. Funny as could be.

[Thinkingabout]

9. Currently DWS is protecting Sanders, debates has not been Sanders best showing, having

fewer debates does not expose Sanders to areas which he does not show knowledge.

[retrowire]

12. deeeeflection....

Hillary's campaign refuses to show up to these events, encourages fewer debates and DWS is protecting Bernie?

lol. It's Hillary that's running from these things, not DWS.

[Thinkingabout]

14. ttttrrrrruuuuueeee

Sanders does not show well in debate form.

[retrowire]

15. All (every single one) focus groups and mass real time polling say otherwise. nt

[Thinkingabout]

18. No, you may have only read certain reports which said Sanders was great, I read many more which

said he did not do great. In fact, maybe more debates will produce more weaknesses.

[retrowire]

23. Oh of course paid pundits and CNN, owned by Time Warner, a contributor to Hillary

would tell you otherwise.

If CNN's blatant removal of the post debate polls showing Bernie won won't convince you that the media is controlling information in favor of her, nothing will.

[Thinkingabout]

108. Who controls your sources?

[Bread and Circus]

30. only a fool believes our tv pundits

[NCTraveler]

141. Exactly. It's why so many of us laughed our asses off....

As the Luntz group was touted here.

[Bread and Circus]

158. When your candidate has a trust problem the last thing you wanna do is go around and start twisting

things around in a dishonest way as you are doing here.

[NCTraveler]

159. What? You mentioned it.

Not one thing I said was dishonest. Very strange response.

[Bread and Circus]

162. Even your tag line is a misleading lie.

[NCTraveler]

163. lol. It's just all one big damn lie!!!!!

Have a great weekend my friend.

[Bread and Circus]

184. No, just many many lies.

[marym625]

79. Exactly how do you know what s/he read?

[blackspade]

84. I didn't need to read about them, I watched them.

Sanders did great in the first and finished strong in the second after a weak start.
When the post debate polling counts only those that actually watched the debates rather than 'clips' then I will pay attention.
Until then they are a bunch of bullshit.

[Thinkingabout]

109. Are you referring to the first question relating to foreign policy?

He showed great weakness in foreign policy, actually he fell behind MOM to third place.

[Fawke Em]

189. Hillary's the weakest on foreign policy.

Every single thing she's every done has created more problems.

If she's ever CIC, I'm moving my son to another country as she'll probably have us in so many wars, we'll need to re-instate the draft.

She terrifies me.

[zeemike]

57. It is projection.

And it is practiced a lot.
What ever is the truth about you accuse the other of it being true of them.
It's the best way to deflect because it makes you want to defend instead of attack.

[Punkingal]

20. .....

[blackspade]

80. So Clinton and DWS are 'protecting' Sanders now....

To what end?

[Fawke Em]

188. Well, at least he didn't resort to noun, verb, 9/11, something, something, woman. eom

[retrowire]

10. Man the Hillary supporters are really speechless

I can't blame them, I'd find it hard to defend such an obvious attempt to save face from my candidate as well.

I mean, how else can you explain this? What is she doing? Does she actually give a damn or not? Appropriate Rosa Parks for her logo, but no she won't be bothered attending an actual event for PoC. This isn't the first time either, she neglected the BET Presidential Forum as well.

What is she doing?

I just wanna point out that Bernie has missed the LEAST amount of work and votes as a senator while running for President, and he STILL manages to make it to all these events. With LESS money than Hillary. Come on Hillary, show some effort. Geez.

[Thinkingabout]

19. This is interesting, he makes all of the events but missed a vote on ACA and PP.

[retrowire]

76. funny thing to point out

when his history clearly shows he votes the right choice on these topics anyway.

[Thinkingabout]

110. A no vote is the right choice?

[MaggieD]

32. It's 6:30 AM - mind if we have a cup of coffee first....

.... before we address the petty Hillary smears of the day?

Your complaint is that Hillary is not whining about it? In your mind she is obligated to try to turn a scheduled candidate forum into an unscheduled debate for which there is no TV coverage planned?

Bernie has lost both previous debates. Are you hoping and praying that he does better? Hang your hopes on Dec 19th. It's two weeks away. I am looking forward to him fumbling once again on FP, Socialism, and gun control. But I can wait 2 more weeks.

[retrowire]

35. As a leader, she's just as much obligated to take a stand as her competitors have clearly done.

But I'm sure she'll sit at home, complacent, knowing that she's got this and she doesn't HAVE to put forth the effort for those who want to hear more from her.

Such initiative. A mark of a true leader.

Yep, it sure is a petty complaint of me and others to expect more out of someone asking for the ultimate privilege of becoming the leader of the free world.

You see someone who isn't obligated, I see a lazy ass person who isn't taking the same initiative as other, more deserving candidates. Remember, this isn't the first time.

As a supporter of Clinton, you should be wary and very upset that your candidate isn't putting their best foot forward. After all, OTHER peoples opinions of her DO MATTER. Your vote isn't the only one. And people really do see this kind of shit in a bad light. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[MaggieD]

40. Oh for pete's sake

It's politics. She is under zero obligation to help the folks NOT winning to get up on stage and attack her.

Some folks appear to live in fantasy land about politics. Ain't a single undecided voter that is going to give a rat's ass if she joined Bernie and Martian in whining for a candidate forum to be co-opted into an unplanned debate.

[retrowire]

46. okay so you're admitting it's a strategic means to avoid confrontation

and avoid being torn down by competitors?

Sure it's about politics, but that sucks. Because it means that she'd rather cover her ass than actually speak to the people.

If this is true, her integrity really is out the damn window.

I don't want a president who is all strategy and politics and whatever it takes to win. I want someone who actually listens, actually wants to help.

And you can say there isn't a single undecided voter who will give a rats ass, but hey, you're showing you don't believe people are capable of observing and making a critical thought. Remember the BET Presidential Forum? There were tons of undecideds who NOTICED that Hillary neglected to show up.

It matters.

[MaggieD]

58. I think it's pointless whining on the part of Sanders and O'Malley

And I don't think 99% of Dem primary voters give a shit.

[retrowire]

60. 99% is a big percentage

You don't think you're wrong about that?

[MaggieD]

86. I think maybe you have spent too much time in the DU bubble

And not enough in the real world of politics. You make a mistake to think that the rank and file Dem voter thinks Hillary can set the debate schedule. In the real world the voters know that is done by the DNC.

I also think you're pretty naïve to think the frontrunner has some obligation to join her potential rivals in a call for more debates, even if she is handily winning them.

Now I have become a staunch Hillary supporter, in no small way because of the constant smears of her on DU. But I will tell you I think it is a mistake for Sanders to ask for more debates. He has not done well at them, IMO. He has stumbled badly on FB, Socialism, guns, etc. He should stick to his stump speeches even if they are mind numbingly repetitive and very narrow. There is a contingent that likes them, regardless of the fact that they give short shrift to every issue except his socialistic dreams.

Debates, on the other hand. force him out of his comfort zone, and he is woefully unprepared to do that.

O'Malley can actually benefit from more debates, but he is too far behind for them to really matter. I will be surprised if he has the money to get to Super Tuesday.

[retrowire]

87. you may say I'm a dreamer

but I'm not the only one.

[MaggieD]

91. Your dreams are not my dreams

Or that of most folks, it seems. I am a liberal capitalist. And I am not voting for a pro gun socialist with zero history of effectiveness. I don't think most Dems will either.

[retrowire]

96. fine by me. nt

[thesquanderer]

114. Yes, it's all about winning.

And seriously, why would anyone expect otherwise?

No candidate is going to endorse a plan that reduces his/her chances of winning.

[retrowire]

116. lol morality and integrity be damned then! nt

[lunamagica]

152. Right. They are desperate and will do anything to get ahead. She IS ahead

And please, we all know that if Sanders or MOM were in her place, they'd be doing the exact same thing.

[angrychair]

51. Not an "unscheduled debate"

It is a change in format that has never happened before.
If Bernie does so bad against your candidate in debates than why would you not want more debates??? Seems counter-intuitive.

[MaggieD]

56. I honestly don't care if they have 6 or 60

She seems to win them handily.

But I also don't think the perpetual whining about it reflects well on Sanders or O'Malley.

[angrychair]

82. How is it whining?

The "job" of a candidate is to make their case why we should hire them over someone else. For all her foretold destiny, she sure seems to be stonewalling attempts to allow a compare and contrast with other candidates.

Second, I would strongly suspect that if Bernie Sanders had the person making all the rules, the DNC chair, being the same person running his national campaign (national co-chair), that supporters of other candidates, your candidate, would be very suspicious and take things coming out of the DNC with a huge grain of salt.

[MaggieD]

88. Because she is not whining like they are?

Why is she under some obligation to whine?

[angrychair]

131. Not an answer

You proposed a question in reponse to my question.

"How is it whining?"
Based on my comments I have with that question?
The "job" of a candidate is to make their case why we should hire them over someone else. For all her foretold destiny, she sure seems to be stonewalling attempts to allow a compare and contrast with other candidates.

Is this true or not?
Second, I would strongly suspect that if Bernie Sanders had the person making all the rules, the DNC chair, being the same person running his national campaign (national co-chair), that supporters of other candidates, your candidate, would be very suspicious and take things coming out of the DNC with a huge grain of salt.

[blackspade]

97. Exactly.

Imagine if Sanders' former chair was the head of the DNC and limiting Clinton's access to public forums.
The howling would be cataclysmic. The double standard speaks to the lack of both her and her supporter's integrity.

[berni_mccoy]

147. It's the afternoon now and yet...

Still no substance from the Hillary fans.

So sad.

[marym625]

11. This has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.

Unreal. Let Hillary have the stage, by herself, for the rest of the debates. No one, except a hardcore Clinton supporter, will watch a two hour Hillary show. Additionally, they're scheduled at ridiculous times, football and holidays will win out. Then O'Malley and Sanders can have real debates, about real issues, with serious questions.

[Thinkingabout]

16. I was at work during the debate, I saw every minute of the debate, I had it recorded.

[marym625]

50. That's wonderful.

I assume you meant "debates."

Has nothing to do with what I replied so, I'm not sure why you're telling me. But I'm glad you watched. As did I. Both debates, as well as a couple of the Republican debates.

[Thinkingabout]

111. Did you post #11

"Additionally they're scheduled at ridiculous times, football and holidays will win out."

I was replying to your reply.

[marym625]

128. Yes.

And the next debates are scheduled, intentionally, at terrible times. It will cause there to be fewer viewers, by millions, than if they had bee scheduled at better times.

If you add it just being Hillary Clinton doing a 2 hour Q&A, most people will not tune in.

Never said anything about the previous debates and I specifically stated Hillary supporters are the ones that would watch a two hour Hillary show. Obviously, without O'Malley and Sanders, it wouldn't be a debate.

[Thinkingabout]

134. BTW, I also watch the GOP debates and yes I would watch two hours of

Hillary. Whether I am continently available for the next debates I will still record for viewing at a time convenient to me.

[marym625]

139. That's great

As I said, people who are staunch supporters of Hillary will watch a 2 hour Q&A with her. The majority of people, even Hillary supporters, will not

[askew]

167. You need to talk to your candidate about that. O'Malley has been in favor of exactly that

since summer, while Sanders refuses to buck the DNC rules. It was a strategic mistake on his part because Hillary gets the illusion of a competitive primary while the DNC rigs the whole thing for her.

An issue on criminal justice reform and immigration reform between O'Malley and Sanders would be worth watching.

[marym625]

180. WTF are you talking about?

O'Malley isn't on board with the debates bullshit. Did you watch the debates? Well, pretty obvious you didn't.

Let me know when you actually know what you're talking about.

[askew]

182. I have no idea what you are talking about.

O'Malley is willing to debate anywhere, anytime.

Bernie refuses to go against the DNC rules but is willing to debate if DNC changes rules.

Hillary doesn't want to do any more debates than the DNC ones.

[jalan48]

21. Wow-looks like Hillary isn't quite up to the task.

If she can't handle some some back and forth at a forum how will she ever handle the big job?

[retrowire]

36. Well according to some Hillary supporters.

"She's not obligated"

FML

[WillyT]

26. K & R !!!

[MaggieD]

27. So let me get this straight

Hillary is not whining about it so bad, bad Hillary? She is ruining everything by not whining!!!

Look, here is reality. The party sets the debate schedule. Get over it. It's not like Bernie has done well in the previous debates. She is the one getting bumps in polling from the debates.

You should be grateful. If they have another one that focuses on FP he is doomed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. With a nod to Upton Sinclair...

With a nod to Upton Sinclair don't try to convince somebody of something their whole world depends on not being convinced of.

[retrowire]

37. It's the fact that she's not exerting the same effort as her competitors.

It's an easy task. Her competitors are up to it. She's not. Logically so, this doesn't look good on her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. It looks great for her...

I am literally more confident of her impending victory than I am of drawing my next breath.

[retrowire]

47. Seriously?

BLM really didn't like it that she neglected to show up for BET's presidential forum, and you think this is fine?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I will defer to the wisdom of John Lewis

"As our former Secretary of State, Senator from New York, and first Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton is the most qualified person to be President of the United States," said Congressman Lewis in a statement released Wednesday by the campaign.

"I know her heart. We need her leadership, not just here in America, but all over the world. She is tireless in her advocacy for those who have been left out and left behind. She is ready to be President on day one. Hillary Clinton has my wholehearted endorsement, and I plan to work and campaign for her to see that she is elected the next President of the United States."

-John Lewis

[retrowire]

53. That's a nice endorsement.

Has nothing to do with Hillary falling behind her competitors in effort. But that's nice.

[MaggieD]

43. Good. It proves she is not an idiot

[retrowire]

49. Because being strategic and avoiding

getting torn down by your competitors is a more worthy thing than actually trying to be a good president who cares for the people?

You're kind of admitting that you know it would damage her to show up to this you know?

[MaggieD]

100. To the contrary....

I think she will do very well in every debate, just as she has done in the prior two. That's not the issue. The issue is Bernie supporters acting like she has some sort of obligation to whine about the DNC debate rules. She does not.

[retrowire]

102. she kinda does if her competitors are showing her up in effort. nt

[MaggieD]

104. Nope

And they aren't. She is clearly dominating the field for good reason. She has more campaign activity in more states and her proposals are much more broad based than Sanders narrow interests.

He is simply out of his league against her for people that care about more than just income inequality.

[cascadiance]

157. "Narrow interests"... The only "narrow interests" is the money supporting her campaign...

Tell me when she gets any number CLOSE to 28 THOUSAND people attending one of her events. She is out of his league in terms of GRASS ROOTS support and not elite money support (which is what is helping her with the corporate media polls and publicity).

The polls would indicate that Bernie's proposals are more broad based than the corporate Democrats who are more aligned with Hillary's proposals. It showed in the last elections in red states where corporate Democrats LOST, but resolutions like raising the minimum wage won, because people want populist solutions that corporate lead institutions like the DNC are trying to push on the public that don't want that in the "Democratic" party candidates that aren't offering what people want as much as wealthy elites want.

[zeemike]

77. Now that is funny.

Hillary should get credit for not "whining" about something that benefits her.
And the reality is that her supporter controls the party, and we should get over it...resistance if futile.

[MaggieD]

93. I don't care if you give her "credit" or not

I'm simply saying it's foolish to think she should whine about it like O'Malley and Sanders are doing.

[zeemike]

142. Oh I agree.

If the deck is stacked in your favor it would be foolish to complain about it, unless you had principles or something.

But we seem to have abandoned that long ago, and now it is the end justifies the means.

[Old Codger]

28. Definitely

The obviously blatant attempts by the so called "democratic" national committee of one needs to be called out on this fervently and loudly and constantly.

Bernie and O'Malley need to see about getting some open forum debates going and invite her, if she no-shows (which we all know she will) then let her attend the dem debates all by her lonesome. She and they would end up being th elaughing stock of the political arena...

[firebrand80]

29. As a minority, I'm offended

Hillary is ruining one of my historic traditions that I hadn't heard of until right this minute

[retrowire]

39. Well now that you know...

What do you actually think?

[firebrand80]

64. It's all political posturing

I doubt that either O'Malley or Sanders care about the "tradition" of this "historic event." They need to get on stage with Hillary because time is running out and they need the exposure. Both of them know that if minorities remain as solidly behind Hillary as they are now, they don't have a shot.

Hillary is way to smart to take their bait. She's simply going to show up to the forum. I highly doubt that the other two are "upset" enough to skip the event.

[retrowire]

71. Oh alright then. Opinion heard.

And welcome to DU.

[leftofcool]

44. LMAO

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. LOL ... But you have been told to bemail ofended ...

So make it so.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

33. That really sucks

So the DNC powers that be are pulling new rules out of their rears to help Hillary win?

I'm definitely voting for Hillary if she is the candidate, but it's stuff like this that is giving people a bad feeling about her.

[MaggieD]

54. Democrats LIKE Hillary

99% of Dem primary voters won't know about it, and wouldn't care if they did know about it. Debates are planned well in advance and my take is that Bernie and Martian whining about not being able to co-opt a candidate forum into an unplanned, untelevised debate just makes them look like, well, whiners.

Losers tend to whine. It's what they do. So it's not a good strategy for them, IMO.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

62. Well, people whine when they feel bullied.

It's human nature, I suppose.

[MaggieD]

67. No, they whine when they are losing

[Dawgs]

123. No one is losing until the voting starts.

I know you think she's already the next president, but that's not how it works.

[retrowire]

66. Some see whiners. Some see fighters.

It depends on whether or not you think they're RIGHT about what they're talking about.

[MaggieD]

70. Good luck with that

I, personally, think they should keep on whining. LOL!

[retrowire]

72. ...weird reason to laugh.... 0.o but okay! nt

[Nitram]

124. Fighters don't whine.

That's how we tell the difference.

[jalan48]

41. Poor Hillary-who would have thought she needed this type of protection?

I really expected her to be stronger, able to stand up to the give and take of politics. This scripted campaign format is something I would expect from a weak Republican candidate like Scott Walker or Marco Rubio. What's happened to the Democratic Party?

[Kalidurga]

45. Well this isn't a debate forum

It is more like a town hall forum. So, I would say that this is not in violation of the debate rules. So, all three of them can be on stage and if the party wants to raise a stink let them.

[Autumn]

55. Fear of confrontation.

Way to lead.

[retrowire]

63. Exactly what I see.

And we've got Hillary supporters admitting that it's a strategic way to cover her ass. That she's not obligated to converse with the people at risk of being torn down by competitors.

Hillary supporters saying that she's smart for avoiding conflict because it increases her chances of winning.

Because clearly, winning is more important than being a good president.

[Autumn]

81. If she can't handle the conflict of American citizens asking her questions...

she sure as fuck isn't capable of handling conflict from events in our country and the rest of the world.

[leftofcool]

85. Looks to me like she answered some questions from American citizens

And handled them quite well................for 11 hours.

[Autumn]

92. Are GOP assholes the only American citizens that count?

My opinion on this as a Latina is that this shows Hillary supports Hispanics and Blacks... from a distance this is what, the third time she has decided not to talk to American citizens. This is a disservice to any Democrat who is expected to vote for her. good luck with that.

[leftofcool]

101. You might want to re-read that article.

[Autumn]

105. I read it and I saw what you are referencing.

This is my objection. But do have a nice day

The Iowa forum is the oldest minorities-focused presidential event in America, and it's tradition for all the candidates to be on stage together for a lively question-and-answer session about issues that black and Hispanic voters care most about.

But this year, the Democratic National Committee has warned that candidates can only appear on stage individually, otherwise they'll be in violation of the party's "exclusivity" rules and excluded future

[leftofcool]

113. Oh I see. You thought PoC would be outraged because Hillary isn't whining about it.

[Autumn]

121. What POC chose to do is their business, not mine. I gave my opinion as a Latina

[blackspade]

75. What is DWS's deal?

And why is the Clinton campaign avoiding social justice and minority forums?
And her campaign's double speak on this issue is ridiculous.

[Flying Squirrel]

161. Her deal

Is not allowing the two "lesser" candidates to share the stage with the "real" candidate, for fear they might upstage her and/or start looking presidential.

FWIW, Hillary is not skipping the black & brown forum.

[blackspade]

174. Thanks for the correction.

I guess she will demand to go first as befits her 'status'....

[UglyGreed]

83. The more you are exposed

to the public greater the chance of your flaws being exposed. It seems the HRC camp and DWS do not want too much sunshine on their candidate.

[leftofcool]

94. Really?

She has been talked about in the media for the last 30 years. I'd say that's a whole bunch of sunshine.

[berni_mccoy]

98. People easily forget the sins of the past. The youth didn't witness it...

And Hillary messes up on a regular basis that it needs to be exposed otherwise her fan club will gloss over it with fanfare for her mediocre compromising platform.

[misterhighwasted]

132. Speaking of sins of the past...you really want to dredge up bernie's

..shameful sins of the past?
Okayy then..
After he blew off the women's health care Senate vote yesterday, its clear that his past writings are still just under the surface. Why would he make that Senate vote when his campaign mgr can just write up a pacifying statement for the Press.
How does bernie really feel about women's health rights?
He certainly made a clear statement to womens groups with his "meh" no-show.
They did notice & they see a big red flag. They also have taken notice of his past essays btw.

Sins of the past
Bye bernie.

[berni_mccoy]

133. That makes absolutely no sense...

First, that was yesterday, not exactly the "past". Second, he came back from his surgery to lambast this bill in opposition to it. Everyone knows the bill is being vetoed and Sanders needed rest from his surgery.

Is that all you fucking got, a steaming pile of b.s.?

[misterhighwasted]

135. Not my steaming pile of b.s. Bernies past demeaning anti-women essays & now

..his glaring Senate no-vote makes a very big statement to womens groups.
Thanks for sending them solidly to HRC.

"Women's Rights are Human Rights Once & For All"
Hillary Clinton, Bejing 1995

Bernie will never "get it".

[berni_mccoy]

137. Oh no...

Not this shit again.

Remember this tweet from Planned Parenthood?

https://twitter.com/ppact/status/661609560667394048
There’s another feminist running for president and here’s HIS record to prove it. http://ppact.io/1M9D2w2 @BernieSanders is #InOurCorner
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Hillary fans gave up on the “Bernie-is-Sexist” meme after it turned into a big fat turd for them last summer. Please do yourself a favor and stop posting for the rest of the day.

[misterhighwasted]

144. You stop first. pandering bernie now needs the women's vote?

Where was he when the women needed him to show up for them in the Senate.
Typical bernie. Stump speech & press releases.
Women's groups did notice.
Bye bernie

[berni_mccoy]

146. Really, you should heed that friendly advice. But if you want to continue with ridiculousness...

please, proceed.

[retrowire]

145. NICE. nt

[UglyGreed]

192. Then why are HRC and DWS so scared

to add more debates and attended forums??? What is that old saying actions something, something.....

[Nyan]

89. Okay. When I first saw the title to this thread, I thought

'come on, I like Bernie. But let's stop looking for reasons to beat up on Hillary.' But WOW. This is just amazing. I mean, how are you going to govern as president when you don't even show up to listen to people? And what is it, the third time that she refused to show up for events? I'm just glad that Bernie and Martin O'Malley joined together. Now that it's only three of them left, DNC will have to allow them at the next debate. Otherwise, Hillary will be debating herself. It's good on both of them!

[MaggieD]

95. What do you mean she refused to show up - that's not true

From the linked article:

"Asked Clinton's thoughts, Iowa spokeswoman Lily Adams said Clinton was honored to participate in the forum in 2007 and was "thrilled to be the first candidate to accept their invitation this year to discuss important issues facing communities of color."

[Flying Squirrel]

160. Better re-read it... Hillary is showing up

The controversy is over them not all being on the stage at the same time.

[demmiblue]

99. What a shame. n/t

[TIME TO PANIC]

103. Apparently Hillary was traumatized by the last debate.

[MaggieD]

106. LOL - okey dokey

She probably hates winning debates and getting kudos for her performance in them. That makes total sense.

[Autumn]

107. She was traumatized by 2008

[DemocratSinceBirth]

117. She received 20,000,000 votes in 2008...

She was traumatized by 2008

If the Vermont independent garners 20,000,000 votes in this year's primary season I will eat uncooked road kill and put it on youtube under Man Loses Bet.

[Autumn]

118. She lost, I'm not stupid I know how votes work and have no interest in road kill bets.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

125. She was beat by a better politician...

She was beat by a better politician... She isn't going to lose to an independent senator with a parochial world view from a rural, homogeneous, and sparsely populated state that is the size of a congressional district... You don't have to do anything... I am so confident of her impending victory that if she loses the Primary I will eat pigeon droppings and put them on Youtube under "Man loses Bet".

Oh

[Autumn]

127. Guess what? Her 20,000,000 votes from 2008 don't carry over.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. I respectfully demur...It's a base...

I am so confident of her impending victory I will drink rubbing alcohol if she loses the Primary and put it on youtube under "Man Loses Bet".

[AtomicKitten]

151. She got just under 17.5 million votes. Clinton campaign lore keeps jacking that number up. <nt>

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[Nitram]

126. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how many votes Bernie gets.

I'm not sure what the fact that Clinton lost in the last election has to do with her worth or electability.

[berni_mccoy]

129. It's not so much that she lost....

It's how she maintained herself and her campaign. And it was disgraceful. She is making similar mistakes this time.

[ColesCountyDem]

173. ...

[TIME TO PANIC]

178. Did you watch the debate?

I was embarrassed for Hillary. Sanders and O'Malley destroyed her. Corporate media is biased, so that I wouldn't trust that CBS poll.

[demwing]

136. Let's not get in Hillary's way

I, for one, encourage her to shoot herself in the foot

[workinclasszero]

143. Clutch them pearls

[berni_mccoy]

153. I bet Hillary will be when she loses Iowa.

[workinclasszero]

156. She will win big

And Bernie will endorse Hillary for President shortly after that.

[berni_mccoy]

169. No need for her supporters to vote then...

If she's got it that much in the bag.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

154. The "democrtic" in Democratic Party is false advertising.

[askew]

164. Nothing will change unless Obama wades into the fight. The media has been

kissing Hillary's ass since the first debate and won't even cover this BS anymore. Hell, they barely even acknowledge that anyone is running against her for the nomination.

Unless Black Lives Matter or some other prominent AA/Latino groups stand up and say something, Hillary is going to get away with cheating her way to the nomination. Good luck in the general with a nominee that few are enthused by and independents view as untrustworthy.

[leftofcool]

175. Aha! So when she wins she will have cheated her way to it?

Of course.

[berni_mccoy]

171. What percentage would have won it for her?

This isn't about the vote. It's about discussion of the issues in a traditional format. But we all understand how Hillary is on the issues, so you're probably right. She can skip it...

[4139]

179. The other Clinton was a no show in 1992....

[bvar22]

183. Everybody knows that the MORE time Clinton spends in Public,

the LESS people like her.

Gotta give her credit for learning this in 2008.

From the Office of Debbie Wasserman Schultz

1- CAMPAIGN STRATEGY: Hide Hillary from the Public as much as possible

2- FUNDRAISING STRATEGY: Have Hillary ask Wall Street for more money

[winter is coming]

186. I'm sure it's just a coincidence the South Carolina debate is scheduled for the following night.

[azmom]

191. First she calls us illegal immigrants

and now, she won't debate on issues effecting our community. Keep it up, Hillary!