HuffPost: Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why:

[berni_mccoy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-will-fini_b_8717248.html

Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why

There's a reason Hillary Clinton finished third in the 2008 Iowa Caucus, behind Barack Obama and John Edwards. In addition to her costly vote supporting the war in Iraq, Clinton has always pleaded "guilty" to being a moderate. It's this centrism (even when progressive values are now popular throughout the nation) that fuels questions about why she opposed gay marriage or as The Huffington Post writes, accepted "$133,246 to the Ready for Hillary PAC" from major prison lobbyists.

The Iowa Caucus was once labeled as part of the Democratic Party's "extremes" by Hillary Clinton in a recently disclosed State Department email. However, there's nothing extreme about championing progressive values, even when they're not popular. Bernie Sanders has a history defending progressive principles, while Clinton has consistently veered to the right on war, foreign policy, trade, and even marijuana legislation.

There's also nothing extreme about opposing Keystone XL, but Clinton once supported the pipeline. NBC News writes "she helped lay the foundation for it as secretary of state." As quoted in The Nation, Clinton was once "inclined" to approve Keystone and even stated, "We're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the Gulf or dirty oil from Canada."

Now, she opposes the pipeline that could damage water aquifers irrigating much of the central U.S., but before opposing it, she continually dodged questions.

Bernie Sanders always opposed Keystone XL.

Many more good points at the link!

[LonePirate]

1. This Bernie supporter finds that headline laughable due to its improbability.

[Robbins]

4. remember the Iowa Youth caucs

that did happen.and that got the 2012 and 2014 results in iowa right.

I agree it's unlikely but strange things can happen.

[workinclasszero]

2. H. A. Goodman. LOLOLOL

How much is Bernie paying this joker?

Obviously math and reality challenged.

[tecelote]

45. Paying for publicity is Hillary's style. Not Bernie's.

[Buzz Clik]

52. +1

[sufrommich]

3. Good God.I'd like to see just one Sanders supporter

admit that this guy is comically delusional.

[LonePirate]

7. See post #1.

[sufrommich]

9. Thank you for your honesty,LonePirate.

[demwing]

33. Those who agree with you are "honest"

Those that don't are delusional.

My god, the ego!

[JTFrog]

17. You may not find them here, but they are out there...

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3qlutn/we_should_ban_ha_goodman_articles_from_this/

If we read nothing but Goodman all damn day, everyone might just assume Sanders' nomination is inevitable and I think it really reinforces slacktivism.

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. The article indicates that Goodman is ...

"... to the point of delusion ..."

I would suggest it's not "delusion "; but rather, deception or dishonesty.

[wildeyed]

63. This is the closest thing to a bio I could find.

http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/contributors/bio-hagoodman/ "former financial advisor and high school history teacher" Hmmm...

I often google journalist if I read something and want to put it in context with their education and political leanings. And he has almost nothing at all online. Weird. No LinkedIn page, something most aspiring, freelance journalists update compulsively. Lists no date of college graduation. Almost nothing before the 2014 "I'm Voting for Rand Paul" article. Which is, by the way, concerning. This has probably been discussed already, but yeah, some sort of deception.

[sufrommich]

26. That's pretty funny. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

29. Fuck that. Do you think this sort of divisive post is going to have any positive effect on Bernie

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supporters potentially casting their votes for your candidate in the general if the opportunity to vote for Bernie doesn't exist for us at that time?

It just makes me more and more angry with you people and makes me further resent the campaign your candidate is running.

[JTFrog]

46. "you people" !!!@#@#!!

I've seen a ton of divisive posts here in GD... most of them are anti-Hillary and anti-Hillary supporters to the extreme. I think your anger and resentment are very displaced. Most of us are angry at the GOP and the dangerous rhetoric that they spout on a daily basis and the course that they would steer this country.

Threatening to not vote for Hillary in the general if she is the nominee is a very dangerous plan. Thankfully, I think most Democrats realize who the real enemies are.

[Kentonio]

65. You might want to speak to a couple of your fellow Hillary supporters

Who have openly said they won't vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination.

[floriduck]

5. I question the predicted order of finish

but the "moderate" comment from 2008, the prison lobby donation, and flip on Keystone XL, can't be denied.

[floriduck]

61. Her 2010 statements were quite vague but

I'll let that slide. So the other two cases still apply.

[WillyT]

6. K & R !!!

[ismnotwasm]

8. Damn, the author sounds like he might post at DU!

The exact same reasonings with the exact actual substance.

Needless to say, this article is very good news for Senator Sanders!

[leftofcool]

10. ROFLMAO

[Thinkingabout]

11. Bookmarking for future reference.

[libdem4life]

12. I'm surprised to see this on HuffPo. She usually hypes women. I'll never forget her "love affair"

with Sarah Palin. Every other photo was Ms Beauty Queen at her finest and every Obama photo was making him look darker. McCain's jowels were a favorite, too. So, I'll take any bit of good for Bernie.

[SidDithers]

13. Goodman is the Baghdad Bob of the 2016 Primary season...

Sid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Goodman again

[mcar]

19. Perfect!

[NCTraveler]

21. I believe he retired to the UAE.

He was in US custody for a brief period but we let him go. I really think he did what was necessary to save his families life. I respect him for that.

I really feel for him but still got a good laugh out of your post.

[JoePhilly]

24. Lol

[hrmjustin]

53. It is so much fun watching them try do hard.

[workinclasszero]

66. Hahahahahahaha!

[ibegurpard]

14. Here's hoping!

[restorefreedom]

16. as a sanders and OM fan, i love the finish order

also would caution that where iowa goes, not necessarily the rest of the country goeth....

but for now, who hooooo!

[JaneyVee]

18. This author is teabagging the left.

Don't fall for it.

[sufrommich]

25. I've said before,this guy is going to pivot to

supporting the republican as soon as Clinton gets the nomination.

[Attorney in Texas]

20. That's a bold prediction. I'd like to see it come to fruition, but I won't count that chicken yet.

[brooklynite]

23. Huffington Post made news when it relegated all Donald Trump coverage to the entertainment section..

Perhaps H.A. Goodman columns should follow?

[Faux pas]

27. K N R

[upaloopa]

28. I can tell it is H A Goodman without even

clicking on the link.

Why are you all carrying water for repubs?

[OilemFirchen]

35. You too, huh?

It's like a Celine Dion trill: annoying as fuck, and always immediately identifiable.

[Gothmog]

36. I also knew that it was a Goodman piece of fiction

This article and the rest of the works from Goodman are sad jokes.

[jalan48]

30. The more I learn about Hillary the worse she gets.

No wonder the debates are limited. The oligarchs are hoping to slide her in under the "First Female POTUS" banner while her real positions on key issues are pushed out of sight.

[TheFarseer]

32. I'd love hear some tough questions about the Clinton foundation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I would love to see the Vermont independent bring it up too./nt

[Nyan]

39. Debates are limited and also,

she's not getting called out for bullshit comments on the debate stage. Two debates on national TV so far, and, in my opinion, she had two abysmal moments that should have been questioned by any normal, functioning journalism. Media should have hit hard the "cut it out!" comment and the "9/11 women" thing. But it just doesn't happen. The other day I thought if Jon Stewart was still doing daily show, he would have called them bullshit. And MSM would have picked up on it later on. There are no counterpoints to her bullshit at the moment. Not on TV.

[OilemFirchen]

56. IKR?

And "The business model of Wall Street is fraud!"

They'll say anything for attention.

[Duval]

58. We need more women in high office, but

"The First Woman President" shouldn't be a reason for voting for Hillary. That's a cute "slogan", but voters want substance on issues and her past appears to be coming back to haunt her.

[truedelphi]

31. Interesting to note: NBC News writes "she helped lay the foundation for it as secretary of state."

When I said that she laid the foundation for the Keystone XL Pipeline, I was told by several folks here that the filing for the permit by the Keystone people was routine, and that the State Department neither encourages or discourages such filings.

Of course, any thinking person would know otherwise.

[Gothmog]

37. Thank you for the laughs

Goodman is always good for a laugh. The fact that you think that he is credible is amusing. If you believe Goodman's analysis go up an Irish brokerage account and place a bet on this prediction. You would get tremendous odds http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination

[MineralMan]

38. H.A. Goodman - C'est pour rire.

He's always good for a laugh, anyhow.

[blackspade]

40. I'll refrain from prognostication and victory laps until after the voting.

Some interesting points here but I don't want to fall into the same mental trap as Clinton supporters.
Let's focus GOTV and educating our fellow citizens.

[Major Hogwash]

41. It's becoming more obvious with each passing day.

So, Hillary's supporters should start thinking of being nicer to Bernie's supporters at DU or face the consequences.

[Proserpina]

50. Some people don't get consequences

It would be nice if they did....

[OilemFirchen]

57. What are the consequences?

TIA.

[oberliner]

42. Soon as I read the title I knew this had to be H.A. Goodman

He is nothing if not consistent.

[saidsimplesimon]

43. Senator Sanders has really moved the political

discussion in the primary. It is with great joy that I observe the democratic process welcoming those under 40 to the table. The supporters of Senator Sanders have really shown me that there is reason for hope in changing the political process. I would not normally comment on an article offered without comment. I do so with the assumption that those of us busy in the fight to nominate Senator Sanders are time limited and using it where it counts.

Thanks to all you young sweet peas.

[Scootaloo]

44. All the people griping about the source... who have no problem with their own citing STORMFRONT

And who all think Froma Harrop and Nancy LeTourneau are the journalistic icons of the 21st century.

Goodman's a doofus, but DU's Hillary supporters got no room to complain

[Jim Lane]

59. And don't forget the Wall Street Journal's trenchant takedown of Sanders's fiscal proposals

Even the author of the study relied on by the Journal said that the anti-Sanders article was distorting his conclusions. That didn't stop the Clinton supporters from jumping all over this typical right-wing attack on "big government" spending.

ETA: The Wall Street Journal article and the prediction that Clinton will finish third in Iowa are about equally ridiculous. Clinton finished third in 2008 because she didn't pay enough attention to the state. She's not making that mistake this year.

[CoffeeCat]

47. Spot on analysis; poor prediction (and a missed opportunity)

While I agree with his analysis of Hillary's neocon tendencies (I've quoted Kagan's praise of Hillary often on DU), her corporate ties, her pro-fracking behavior, her acceptance of for-profit prison dollars and her Wall Street connections--I disagree that she will come in third in Iowa.

She will place second. A distant second. O'Malley will barely register on the Iowa caucus Richter scale, and here is the reason--and the author's missed opportunity.

When you show up at your precinct to caucus--you gather with your neighbors to support your candidate. All participants divide into candidate camps. A FIRST count is taken. If any candidate does not meet a minimum threshold of support (determined by a percentage of total support) those supporters have two choices: Support another candidate; or sit out and not be counted.

If O'Malley continues to poll around 4-6 percent, it is likely that nearly all of this caucus supporters will face this situation at their caucus.

Many signs point to a weak Iowa caucus showing for O'Malley. He's got very limited funds. No television ads playing in Iowa and 1 office (Sanders and Clinton both have 20 Iowa offices).

It's possible that nearly all of O'Malley's supporters will end up being folded into other candidate camps. The question is--Where will they go? O'Malley supporters seem more in line with Sander's politics.

These O'Malley supporters could boost the camp that snags them--and that is significant because the latest polls have Bernie gaining ground in Iowa and behind Clinton in single digits.

[yellowcanine]

48. Yawn. Can we do the postmortems after the actual votes are in?

This is why I get disgusted with presidential primary season.

[Proserpina]

49. And yet we have today on NPR "experts" on Iowa Caucuses

saying (again) Bernie has peaked, maybe he can take NH, but Iowa's a complete loss...

[hrmjustin]

51. .

Thanks for the laugh.

[Metric System]

54. LOL @ Hack Attack Goodman. Maybe he can be Press Secretary in a fantasy Sanders administration.

[lunamagica]

55. I hope that the MOM part will make clear how absurd this guy's "predictions" are. eom

[DCBob]

62. This would fit better on The Onion.

[Walk away]

64. This one goes in the "re-post after the primary" file!

I had no idea that "Progressive" = Mathless!

[SidDithers]

67. Kick for shits and giggles...nt

Sid

[workinclasszero]

68. I see what you did there Sid

[JaneyVee]

70. Kick.