2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYes She Can: Why Hillary Clinton will do more for black people than Obama
What can Hillary Clinton do for black people as president? She possesses neither her husbands performative charisma with black folk, nor Obamas undeniable blackness. She must instead wield the sort of power that politicians would, in a better world, solely rely on: public policy. If we were betrayed by Bill Clinton, and suffered dashed hopes under Obama, maybe, just maybe, we will get from Hillary Clinton what we most need and truly deserve: a set of political practices and policies that reinforce the truth that black lives must, and do, finally matter.
On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton has exhibited a greater sophistication about race, increased sensitivity about how blackness is lived in our country, and a deeper awareness of how the small brutalities of racism rend the fabric of the social compact after first spoiling the flesh of those at the bottom of society. If there were disturbing racial echoes in Hillarys first attempt to gain the White House, whats to guarantee we wont get blinkered in a fog of racial sensitivity now? Has Hillary Clinton changed? Have we?
A lot more at https://newrepublic.com/article/124391/yes-she-can
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Interesting that you dismiss it as such.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Your interlocutor dismisses it as such because he is only interested in certain groups as political fodder.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)But someone named Killer Mike should be praised.
randys1
(16,286 posts)and BLM hasnt officially said anything of the sort
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)it's face, but others dont ignore this at their peril.
DU has become the most anti Hillary site on the internet.
And it is getting worse and NOTHING is being done about it.
thanks for the info on the RW source which should NOT be allowed here
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)They have to know their reason for existence is to sow discord among our community,
randys1
(16,286 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)EOM
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)to link to.
All that they have is this dishonest anti Hillary narrative that they put together here since June in which they all buy into as official truth.
And right wing attacks on Hillary.
Then they say we won't discuss issues with them but just post polls.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Disruptor Capital, a Washington-area angel investment firm, has made its second big move in less than two months by leading a $1.5 million funding round in Media Group of America.
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http://tinyurl.com/hwq46b5
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)She was the first candidate to except their invitation back in Sept. And I just saw an article today that says all three will be there. Where did you get the idea she isn't going?
ESKD
(57 posts)DWS said no. It's a forum.
As usual, a day late, a dollar short.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And yes, it's a forum. Where did I say differently? There was a whole thread yesterday smearing Hillary for not whining that it should be converted into a debate. I'm well aware.
ESKD
(57 posts)Please recheck your facts, or at least pay attention to who said what.
Roguevalley is the one that said she refused to attend, not me.
Just a clarification
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Dyson thinks she will be much better for AA's than Obama. I only caught a bit of the conversation so I am hoping to find it live somewhere.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Obama does anything, let alone something to help AfAm, he is attacked viciously.
His wife said drinking water was good and they attacked her.
The right are disgusting, vile filth.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Moderates will never bring about radical change.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)The coach of the Third Way Patriots deflates the ball before the kick these days.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)This entire premise of treating blacks like they are a separate but unified organism is perplexing to me.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)You look at polling results, endorsements, empirical data, and in some cases personal anecdotes. There is no single way where we can gauge every single person's opinion. We are not gods or an omnipotent being. What we can do is be critically engaged and look at different data and information.
From I can see from all the indicators like endorsements, polling data, etc Hillary has huge support from the African American community. Some polls have pegged her support around 80%.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)of any color at about 10%.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)If Bernie Sanders had 90 percent of the color vote there is no way Mayor Garcetti would endorse Hillary Clinton. It would be political suicide and he would lose re-election.
I'm not sure you are doing your candidate any service. If you keep spreading these datas as truth, he won't win. A candidate can only win when he has the correct data to work with.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)the streets. I'd be shocked if they did.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I have bad news for you. Wendy Greuel was one of the earliest endorsers of Hillary Clinton. She endorsed her in 2008. Heck, Bill Clinton supported her in the 2013 mayoral race over Eric Garcetti.
Bill Clinton endorsed Wendy, but Eric Garcetti still chose to endorse Hillary Clinton. So, we have the two leading mayoral candidates from 2013 election support Hillary Clinton. If SBS had these majority of enthusiastic support from PoC, there is no way that these 2 candidates would endorse Hillary Clinton. It would be political suicide.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)This isn't helping your candidate...Or are you saying that there isn't enough of these people to elect a candidate they believe in? What makes you think they will participate in the democratic primary of they don't believe in the electoral process?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)There will be East and South L A precincts that Hillary will carry 7-1, 8-1 over Sanders... If he does well in L A it will be on the tony west side.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I haven't seen you or anybody out there campaigning for Hillary either.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I also have bad news for you again. Kevin James who received the third highest vote in the Mayoral primary is a Republican. You are digging yourself a deeper hole for your candidate.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)oasis
(49,387 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)You should try it sometime.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I will take the Orange Line to the Red Line to the Blue Line and meet you at the 103rd Street/Watts Tower station, walk around, and we can canvass the people we meet.
How about Monday?
oasis
(49,387 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It would be a two and one half hour ride, one way for me, but I will do it...
I believe her minority support is way higher than what our friend suggests.
oasis
(49,387 posts)But I occasionally visit L.A. from end to end. Many, and I mean many of the AAs I come into contact with, have only the slightest knowledge of Bernie's existence.
That being said, I sense a general indifference toward Hillary and the Primary elections as a whole. Donald Trump is a source of amusement. Most are working class folks and it's way too early for them to get emotionally involved.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I like Glendale...When my gf and I moved to L A in 3/12 we stayed at the Days Inn there, the one close to Brand Avenue...My gf is from the Philippines so we go to Maxs, across the street from the Galleria.
If Bernie exhibits any strength in L A it will be on the tony west side. Book it.
I don't have a car...It would take me a day to get to Glendale using public transit.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't have a car...By the time I take the Orange Line to NoHo that's an hour, then I have to get on the Red Line to downtown so that's another half hour, then I have to take the Blue Line to Watts...
With waits and what not I have a two and one half hour or so trip...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Any weekend you want. I'd love to see some Hillary supporters campaigning. And voter registration is always important.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I have volunteered to drive folks to the polls when I lived in FL and had a car...
As to canvassing, the last time I canvassed was for Ted Kennedy in 1980.
BTW, where in L A are you?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)including LA.
I look forward to it then.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)All i remember is it was in walking distance of a Popeyes and a McDonalds.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)So we have a date, right? PM me after the holidays and we will finalize the plans. I think it will be fun.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It was near an elementary school... Also, reasonably close to a Shakeys...
I know when we took the bus from downtown , we went down Main Street???
We saw a guy pull a gun on another guy, they were probably gangbangers...
Yes, we have a date.
ESKD
(57 posts)They highly disagree with you - they are Bernie backers.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Tell them to meet with me for lunch at the McDonalds* near Topanga And Erwin and I will buy them lunch (that's all a plebeian like me can afford) and I will gently show them the error of their ways.
*There are a lot of tony restaurants near by but my budget will be < $15.00 for the three of us...Please let them know in advance.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)What is a good time?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Monday...
11:00 A.M. I will be wearing a LA Dodgers hat.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I think the weekend would be far better and much more productive.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Saturdays are bad for me.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I could also do Fridays but I really think the weekends are the best for campaigning. If you really can't do any of those, give me some notice and I will take a day off.
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Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Lilith Rising
(184 posts)shitty thing to say.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And again for a reason I don't understand.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The world rolls on.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Unless, of course, it is what they think.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And why do you keep talking about black people as if the are a single organism? They are people and are as diverse in opinion as any other group of people.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)That would be very judgmental and that I am not.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm just saying that, from what I have read, you clearly do not care about what Black people are telling you ... unless it comports with what you wish to hear.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)speaks for ALL black people.
Now, please tell me why you think I don't care what you tell me? It is because I don't simply agree with you at all times? Can you give me an example of what you are talking about?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That self identified as being a PoC, prior to May of this year.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Lilith Rising
(184 posts)I'd say telling a black person all about how black people 'are' is pretty darn sanctimonious.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Nor do you know what race, creed or color I am.
How you could misinterpret what was said is beyond me.
Lilith Rising
(184 posts)but it came off very differently to me and I suspect I wasn't the only one.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Lilith Rising
(184 posts)were saying one thing but it came off as condescending - telling a black person what black people are like and how they should/should not be treated.
I'm pretty sure 1SBM knows his own mind and is in a better position than non-black people to have a deeper insight into the AA community.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Because that is all I stated. Not sure how that could be construed as condescending. In fact, pretending to speak for any group of people without explicit authorization from the entire group is pretty darn condescending if you ask me.
Lilith Rising
(184 posts)what you say you said.
So now we're just talking in circles. I don't care to keep on with that.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Lilith Rising
(184 posts)twice.
No need to say it again. And with that I'll exit this exchange.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Lilith Rising
(184 posts)Now, I will not respond further. Enjoy your weekend.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Because I've seen a pretty broad spectrum of opinion about many topics that doesn't even agree with your own. Do you speak for all Black people? Are you the gatekeeper of Black thought? I would never presume to claim to be the arbiter of gay thought.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)helping AA's in the US.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)The author is exploring whether the next Democratic President will do more on race than the last one.
Bernie doesn't enter into the equation because outside of a handful of hardcore supporters with blinders on, everyone knows Hillary will be the nominee.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and I will tell you, while I will help to keep the GOP out of office come 2016, it will be sad to know the narrative "see ya shoulda voted for Hillary in 2008 instead of dat other guy" is getting ginned up. Soon, there will be no small amount of black "spokespeople" talking about how Bill was a better "black president" than Obama could ever be, how things would have been a utopia if we only voted Hillary, and how the reasons for Hillary ditching whatever promises she makes are all the fault of Obama and Bernie Sanders. Obama will be given all the shame, and none of the credit, which will prove that even if a Black person is as good as or better than a white co-worker, they will still be marked down.
Meanwhile the same Bill that blew every racist dog whistle he could will be back in his familiar lair, smoking cigars, and making sure that everyone, Hillary included, knows he does not intend to take a back seat to anyone.
TM99
(8,352 posts)So...maybe...just maybe...we PoC will get what we need and truly deserve. He does not say that yes, we definitely will and here is why. He says, maybe, just maybe.
What a load of speculative bullshit.
And pray tell, where on the campaign trail did Clinton exhibit a greater sophistication about race, an increased sensitivity, and a deeper awareness about racism in this society?
Was it when she said 'all lives matter' in a church outside Ferguson? Or maybe it was the time she had BLM activists removed from her speech? Or perhaps it was the time when Clinton told BLM activists, Yeah, well, respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with a very real problem. ? Or, wait, I know, was it that time recently when she had to apologize for calling undocumented immigrants "illegal immigrants"?
How anyone with two brain cells can deny this reality and still argue with a straight face that Clinton will be a savior for PoC is literally beyond me. Dyson is in a wonderful state of cognitive dissonance with this puff piece.
artislife
(9,497 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)..that HURT low income PoC?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)She is running for her first term. Stop trying to equate Bill Clinton's policies as Hillary Clinton's. Honestly, it feels pretty sexist. Just because she is the wife of a former president doesn't mean she's not her own person and woman.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)who could afford it the least.
In the 1990s and early 2000s, Hillary Clinton touted the success of Bill Clintons 1996 overhaul of the countrys welfare system, framed as the transition from dependency to dignity a subject she hasnt spoken much about this year during her campaign.
Bill Clintons overhaul of the welfare system, which was passed in conjunction with a Republican-controlled Congress, replaced a major federal welfare program with block grants to states, required adults to find a job within two years of receiving aid, placed a five-year limit on aid, blocked future legal immigrants from welfare assistance, and cut $24 billion in food stampsIt was denounced by many Democrats, including Peter Edelman, who resigned from his post at the Department of Health and Human Services, arguing that the law would do serious injury to American children.
Writing about the law in a 1999 column, then-First Lady Clinton said too many welfare recipients had known nothing but dependency all their lives.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/hillary-clinton-used-to-talk-about-how-the-people-on-welfare#.okkVqvdDO
Before you go attacking the messenger, the fact that Hillary supported this legislation that HURT poor PoC the WORST, there is plenty of documentation and video tape to confirm the above.
Has she ever apologized to Poc for lobbying to cut this program.?
Can we expect MORE of the SAME?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. Are you asking if Hillary Clinton has a plan to help the middle class and poor folks? Or are you trying to blame the welfare reform on Hillary Clinton?
If you want to know her plan, check out her website at https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes.
Like I said Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. She is her own person. Please stop trying to equate the two. I think you are trending on dangerous territory. Sexism isn't only a problem among the right, but it's a problem on the left, too.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Clinton is on record as supporting most of her husband's more odious policies from NAFTA to banking reform to DADT/DOMA to welfare reform.
We are not equating the two people. We are challenging her support of them then, and her about faces and lies now.
How does she intend to correct the welfare reform polices that she championed of her husbands then with concrete plans now?
That is the type of question that y'all avoid by saying, "Oh, look, it is sexist to ask these".
Sorry we are not buying that anymore.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)If you are a single issue voter, then there is nothing I can do. There is nothing I say will convince you otherwise. It's like trying to convince a NRA supporter to vote Democratic or trying to convince an anti-choice person to vote democratic. It seems your single issue and litmus test is welfare reform.
Fortunately, single issue welfare reform voters are a tiny tiny tiny segment of the voting population.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I used welfare reform as but one example.
As a PoC, it is just a wee bit important to me though. And guess what? Welfare reform, the drug war, and for profit prisons are three big issues for PoC stemming from the Clintons.
But yeah, we are such a tiny tiny segment of the voting population.
Go back to your sexism defense. Mind reading isn't your strong suit.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I don't mind when discussions get heated, but personal attacks cross the line. I would like an apology please.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I would also point out that support for welfare reform enjoyed broad support that transcended demographics. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)And if people did engaged in personal attacks the mods would delete the post and warn the poster. During the time, I was a Howard Dean supporter, so I can understand that people can be passionate, but that doesn't mean we engage in personal destruction. It doesn't mean we engage in sexist, racial, and prejudices attacks, We are better than Republicans. We are not the party of Donald Trump.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)You make gross assumptions and accuse members here of being sexist.
When we push back against that with the worst thing I said is that you are a poor mind reader, you now claim that it is a personal attack on you and your family with learning disabilities.
No, I will not apologize to you. Especially since this has ZERO to do with any sort of learning disability. How about you apologize to this bi-racial man for your gross assumptions about single issue voting when the Clinton 1990's 'reforms' have been devastating to me, my family, and my community.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
You are more than welcome to put me on Ignore.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)It was my fault for assuming you were a single issue voter. To tell you the truth, I thought I was responding to bvar22. I then realize too late that you were a different person. Please accept my apology.
P.S. You told me to not quit my day job and then you accuse me of being a poor mind reader.It's pretty obvious you were hinting that I had Asperger. I don't think it's funny or right to do personal attacks. It reminds me of the days when people would call people "retards." These days, people are just more subtle about it.
TM99
(8,352 posts)For me this is a very serious campaign season, and I expect arguments, dissension, and conflicts.
Lots of people both with and without Aspergers make assumptions. These little 'mind reading' attempts get in the way of direct and honest communication. And any of us can learn to stop doing it as well.
Accusing you of being a mind reader was definitely not a hint at you having Aspergers. How would I even have known that about you? As far as I know, this is my first time interacting with you here.
Now, how would you even know that I about me? I have Aspergers, and I am a psychologist. Now you know that about me because I have shared it directly with you and now others as well who read this. I am not my labels any more than you are yours.
I am sorry you were hurt in the past(I can empathize from my own experiences), and if you make the assumption that I am doing the same without direct communication to the affirmative, you are potentially 'attacking' yourself while defending against an imagined slight instead of a real insult.
So I would like to move past this and whether we agree or not, it is still not sexist to strongly challenge Clinton on her husband's positions when she herself has owned them as part of her own legacy. Fair enough?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I think we, including myself forget that the person behind the username and keyboard is a real person. I for one would never be so direct or in your face if I was talking to you in person. I guess we feel somewhat more free behind our anonymity.
And yes, I do have positions that I disagree with Hillary Clinton, but I try to look at the whole totality.
I'm glad we were able to have a discussion and come to some type of resolution. It was nice talking to you.
TM99
(8,352 posts)The internet can be wonderful, scary, connective, and depersonalizing all at the same time.
I am glad we resolved things as well. Take care.
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lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I think she can get a lot done as President. I think she has been listening well to the significant issues brought forth in the last few years involving black lives matter and economic inequality.
There's strong evidence and growing consensus that we need significant change to improve our country. She's proposing a strong liberal agenda, and she has built strong coalitions that help it get accomplished.
For example there's talk even among conservatives that government is spending too much on private prisons. And red states have recently been voting for raising their minimum wage.
The primary advantage that Hillary has, in my opinion, is that she can help build a broad enough consensus to help pass legislation that benefits the large majority. Building on the accomplishments of the Obama Administration and pushing it forward even further. It think this is a real positive that she has in her favor.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The guy is bashing Obama.
If this article was in favor of Sanders, but making the same arguments about Obama, a certain faction here would be swarming about how Sanders and his supporters are "Obama haters" .
Now of course if all those Clinton supporters who would do that will disavow this article, they will be intellectually consistent.
If not...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Can you please cite where the author "bash(ed)" Obama?
Thank you in advance.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)First though, my post was critical of those who always whine that anything remotely critical of Obama is "Obama hating." I am NOT saying this article should be criticized simply because Dyson has less than flattering observations about him. Dyson also also says that in other respects he greatly admires Obama.
My real point is that Dyson would be thrown under the bus as an "Obama hater" if he had written a similar article in praise of Sanders. There is a tendency to use that "Obama hater" shit against Sanders or anyone who is critical of any aspects Obama's performance. So it is a double standard if those same people overlook the critical aspects of Obama and don't apply the same standard to this article, simply because it is favorable to Clinton.
Having said that, from the article:
"
Obama never had to face the heat of Black Lives Matter as he ran for office. His slow action on police problems, and his reluctance to confront racial crises, opened a leadership vacuum into which this movement has slipped. Obama has been a big disappointment to many of the black people who, like me, looked to him for leadership. On race, as his conservative opponents like to say about foreign policy, he has led from behind. He has offered lectures about failed black morality but, until recently, avoided embracing race as an issue, for fear that it would damage his ability to get things done with the white mainstream.
Which means that Obama has been, until late in his presidency, of little practical use to black folk, the same people who magnified his symbolic value while deflecting attention from his failure to adopt substantive policies to counter, for instance, black unemployment, or persistent intergenerational poverty, or until recently, a criminal justice system that has engulfed the lives of millions of his people. Obama and his fellow Democrats, unlike the BLM activists, have mostly steered safely clear of the folklore of race, the strains of anti-blackness that thread through American history and shape this countrys policies, perspectives, and politics."
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Which needs to be seen through these lens:
When it came to issues of race President Obama had to walk gingerly lest he be accused of showing partiality. I suspect many African Americans in positions of power have to confront that same dilemma.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Simply that those points about Obama would be characterized as an unacceptable attack on Obama if Dyson's article had been in support of Sanders.
Maybe you would have don that, maybe not. Dunno. But many would have.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Much of his success was predicated on being the president of a post-racial America. Of course that America doesn't exist but that was the system in which he had to navigate... I believe that's the reason why Cornel West's criticism of him as a sell out was met with such hostility by most black folks. They realized even the president has to play the hand he was dealt. As they say "Don't hate the playa, hate the game."
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The times that Sanders has been critical of some of Obama's actions or policies, he is cited as an "Obama hater."
(I'm not going to actively defend Cornell West. I think he's sometimes correct about many things, but his way of expressing himself is annoying.)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's the position every Black first has found themselves ... the reason Dr. West's criticisms were might with such anger is because he should know better.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It's ironic how the burden of fairness shifts...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It is something Black's in leadership talk about all the time.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Sadly.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Some bring so many resentments & biases to a topic that they come away interpreting the exact opposite of what the author is trying to convey.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)person that has anointed themselves the official spokesperson of MLK and other black voices (though most black posters here wouldn't want him speaking for WHITE people, let alone us) are now dismissing outright this incredibly well written, thoughtful piece by a person who is not only ACTUALLY black, but is one of the most well regarded minority academics in this country.
Not to mention discounting Hillary's endorsements from prominent black people and organizations, and her incredibly high polling in the black community. Their denials bring exciting new meaning to the phrase "confirmation bias" not to mention "wishful thinking."
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Could you make this an OP in the AA forum please?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)You always nail things.
I honestly think Obama would have loved to have done more on race, but because of the weird and sick society we live it, it will seem more legit coming from a white leader, and less assailable. I hate that we live in that world though.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Black posters talk about race issues, we are labled "race naggers" "race baiters" and any assorted number of (what I thought were right wing) insults from people who LOVE to pat themselves on the back with how "liberal" they are.
But white posters, many of whom have actual ADVERSARIAL relationships with black posters, talk about race and its viewed far more positively. Even if they don't have the first goddamned clue what they are talking about. It is such a fascinating thing.
This is probably why so many movies, even about black historical events, have to be made from the white perspective in order to make the audience "comfortable." It's no wonder so many know so little and their ability to empathize is even smaller.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)the 08 primary and being very willing to throw blacks under the bus when it suited him.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)of good, hard-working white people???!?
I don't motherfucking think so.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)That. And those, Church leaders, they are the most corrupt people you will ever find.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...put Rosa Parks on a campaign logo!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Oddly enough after "Killer Mike" I was really hoping Dyson would soon weigh in on these issues.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(Kick!)
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)at appearing heartfelt.
You're good at your job!
reddread
(6,896 posts)Perhaps her community organizing?
treestar
(82,383 posts)He was only pushing back at the right winger claim he'd be President of only black people. He never "disclaimed his racial affiliation."
reddread
(6,896 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)With shouts. One can not listen when shouting.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)dripping and oozing with