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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:22 PM Dec 2015

Yes She Can: Why Hillary Clinton will do more for black people than Obama

I was once a vocal surrogate for Obama. But I grew disillusioned with his timid responses to racial crisis, with how willing he was to disclaim his racial affiliation, and more grievously, his shirking of his political duty—“I’m not the president of black America,” he has said. Obama will undoubtedly go down as one of the most important presidents in our nation’s history. But his accomplishments on race will not be what gain him that distinction.

What can Hillary Clinton do for black people as president? She possesses neither her husband’s performative charisma with black folk, nor Obama’s undeniable blackness. She must instead wield the sort of power that politicians would, in a better world, solely rely on: public policy. If we were betrayed by Bill Clinton, and suffered dashed hopes under Obama, maybe, just maybe, we will get from Hillary Clinton what we most need and truly deserve: a set of political practices and policies that reinforce the truth that black lives must, and do, finally matter.

On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton has exhibited a greater sophistication about race, increased sensitivity about how blackness is lived in our country, and a deeper awareness of how the small brutalities of racism rend the fabric of the social compact after first spoiling the flesh of those at the bottom of society. If there were disturbing racial echoes in Hillary’s first attempt to gain the White House, what’s to guarantee we won’t get blinkered in a fog of racial sensitivity now? Has Hillary Clinton changed? Have we?


A lot more at https://newrepublic.com/article/124391/yes-she-can
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Yes She Can: Why Hillary Clinton will do more for black people than Obama (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 OP
Too bad she's lost the trust of African Americans and movements like BLM... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #1
Rep John Lewis and the 88% of African American supporters she has disagree I guess. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3
Old news. What's not old news is how she's dissing minorities berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #4
The endorsement of MLK's best buddy is never old news. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #6
Your interlocutor dismisses it as such because he is only interested in certain groups as... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #15
The civil rights hero endorsement is "old news"... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #55
That post makes it look like she lost the support of AFAM and BLM, but not so randys1 Dec 2015 #7
Would you please ask your interlocutor why he is citing RIGHT WING sources? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #13
It was ignored by myself and others because it was ludicrous nonsense on randys1 Dec 2015 #14
Why would somebody here cite a site that is run by former Republican operatives? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #17
I have been saying that for a long time, problem is when I do I am banned or hidden randys1 Dec 2015 #19
Me too, bro, hopefully when the primaries are over we can enjoy our board again. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #24
Because they don't have anything else upaloopa Dec 2015 #39
Your source, Berni DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #11
Hiilary will have for trust of most American's not just BLM: that is what matters lewebley3 Dec 2015 #29
but she refuses to go to the Iowa black and brown debate. yes, she can('t), yes she can('t) roguevalley Dec 2015 #63
She hasn't refused to go - all three will be there MaggieD Dec 2015 #122
It's a forum, not a debate. Both O'Malley and Sanders wants a debate there. ESKD Dec 2015 #138
you claimed she refused to attend - you're wrong MaggieD Dec 2015 #142
I never claimed she refused to attend ESKD Dec 2015 #144
K AND R! JaneyVee Dec 2015 #2
Michael Eric Dyson and Eugene Robinson where discussing this just this morning. leftofcool Dec 2015 #5
It's where I found out about the article, too. I have posted the video link below ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #9
Thank you. leftofcool Dec 2015 #12
Either Bernie or Hillary will have an easier time doing the right thing, whenever randys1 Dec 2015 #10
You forgot this: 99Forever Dec 2015 #8
This time Lucy won't pull away the football!!!! jeff47 Dec 2015 #16
No need to pull the ball away. Zorra Dec 2015 #180
LOL The 'We Can't' candidate is going to help black people? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #18
You might ask Blacks what they think. leftofcool Dec 2015 #20
Really? How does one ask all blacks what they think? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #22
You look at different indicators. ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #23
I do my polling out in the streets and here in LA, I'd put her enthusiastic supporters Live and Learn Dec 2015 #25
The Mayor of LA Eric Garcetti endorsed Hillary Clinton. ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #34
I said enthusiastic support, didn't I? And nobody but nobody has ever mentioned Garcetti to me in Live and Learn Dec 2015 #35
So, you're saying the majority of the people you know supported Wendy Greuel in the 2013 elections? ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #37
I said no such thing. Nobody cares who political creatures endorse out here. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #40
Uhh, so you're saying these people don't vote in elections? o.o ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #43
I am in L A DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #47
That is not what I have seen. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #82
Never said that either. Are you purposefully misinterpreting what I post? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #81
If they didn't vote for Eric or Wendy, maybe they voted for Kevin James? ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #46
Are you having a problem understanding my posts? I never said who anyone voted for. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #83
"the streets"? oasis Dec 2015 #42
Yep, the streets. It means out in public instead of behind closed doors and a pc. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #84
I am In L A as well... I believe her support is significantly higher than 10% DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #44
crickets oasis Dec 2015 #48
Are you In L A? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #51
Glendale. oasis Dec 2015 #65
I like Glendale...When my gf and I moved to L A in 3/12 we stayed at the Days Inn there, DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #67
No car? I'll pick you up if you'd like. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #89
How does that differ from what I said at all? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #88
So, you aren't really in LA? Your posts are a bit confusing. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #87
I am in Woodland Hills... If I look southwest from my balcony I can see the Marriott. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #97
I know where Woodland Hills is. Like I said, I'd be happy to pick you up from wherever you want. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #100
How about Saturday the 8th, after the holidays... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #104
January, I take it? Okay. I'm in the San Gabriel Valley area but have been campaigning all over Live and Learn Dec 2015 #106
We lived in Alhambra when we came to L A. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #108
On Valley Blvd, maybe? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #109
I can't remember...We rented a room on AirBNB ... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #110
I have relatives in Woodland Hills ESKD Dec 2015 #139
Tell them to meet me for lunch at the McDonalds on Topanga And Erwin... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #140
Who is they? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #86
Have to work Monday. Why not tomorrow? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #85
So tomorrow??? I'm looking forward to it. Maybe we can register some new Deomcrats. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #91
Tomorrow is Saturday... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #92
I already said I have to work Monday but anytime this weekend works for me. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #94
And, by the way, lots of 'black' people have to work Monday as well. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #95
I know all folks have to work... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #98
All Saturdays? How about Sundays? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #102
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #96
You noticed that too? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #105
Whoa! That was a really Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #141
Bravenak has taken on the role of spokesperson for all African Americans. Check with her. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #145
I have taken Bravenak to task on that before. Sadly, she is on vacation again. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #149
She is? Oh well. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #156
That's easy. You find a white Hillary supporter and ask them what all black people think Scootaloo Dec 2015 #151
You got my point. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #153
Clearly they don't care what Black people think ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #50
Who is this 'they' you guys keep referring to? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #90
If you would take some time and read the AA forum, it will help. leftofcool Dec 2015 #113
Umm, I have been there plenty of times. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #114
You are one of the they to whom I am referring. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #128
So, I don't care what black people think unless they think like me? Is that your gist? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #129
Yes. That is how you present. N/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #132
You obviously don't know me at all. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #137
I know how you present. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #146
Really? I wouldn't pretend to guess whether you cared about others from your posts alone. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #147
I am not questioning whether you care about people ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #155
Agreed. n/t JTFrog Dec 2015 #157
Of course. lol nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #164
And by black people, you mean, you? I happen to know for a fact that neither you, nor anyone on DU Live and Learn Dec 2015 #158
Me ... and just about every other Black DUer ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #170
So, you can't or refuse to provide any substance to your claim. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #171
I don't have to ... your posting speaks for itself. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #174
As does yours. Accusations with no substance to back them up. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #175
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #176
Not really. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #177
Yes, really. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #178
No, baseless accusations are not really okay. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #179
Speaking of "sanctimonious white people"... Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #143
Ummm, I think I implied that NOBODY should ever try to put ALL black people in a bucket. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #148
I understood what you were trying to say Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #150
If you understood what I was saying then how did it come off different? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #152
I understood that you THOUGHT you Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #154
You mean telling someone that nobody speaks for all black people? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #160
Okay. I saw something other than Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #162
Why don't you just post what I said, then? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #163
I already have posted my take on it Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #165
And we agreed your take was completely wrong. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #166
You agreed. Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #167
Promise? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #168
Oh and which Black people would that be? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #99
It is a bit disconcerting to see people assume that skin color dictates what people think. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #107
+1 MaggieD Dec 2015 #123
She has a global charity that helps fight AIDS in Africa. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #21
That's nice but it is not TM99 Dec 2015 #27
Bill always maintained Hillary was smarter than him. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #26
This isn't about Hillary vs. Bernie firebrand80 Dec 2015 #28
Here's what the author said about Bernie Sanders ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #30
She waited her turn. artislife Dec 2015 #70
I saw this coming DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #31
The money quote people -- TM99 Dec 2015 #32
I know I have issues with her. nt artislife Dec 2015 #71
Has she said anything about repealing the destructive and cruel Welform Reform she supported.. bvar22 Dec 2015 #33
She is not running for Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama's third term. ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #36
She is On-the-Record as supporting this aweful legislation that hurt Poc bvar22 Dec 2015 #38
You're asking what Hillary Clinton will do for Americans in terms of the economy and job creation? ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #41
And there is the 'sexism' defense. TM99 Dec 2015 #45
Ok, I think I now understand. You are a single issue voter and applying a litmus test. ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #49
Don't quit your day job. TM99 Dec 2015 #53
Please stop with your personal attacks. I have family who have learning disabilities ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #54
They never apologize and when you respond in kind they alert... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #58
During the Dean vs Kerry vs Edwards days, I don't ever recall personal attacks being acceptable. ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #60
What does a learning disability have to do with any of this? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #62
You can't be serious. TM99 Dec 2015 #64
I apologize if I have offended you. Please accept my apology. ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #66
Thank you for apologizing for that but it is not necessary. TM99 Dec 2015 #74
Awww thanks. Your post has made me feel better ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #78
I agree. TM99 Dec 2015 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author ibegurpard Dec 2015 #117
I'm optimistic. lovemydog Dec 2015 #52
Now wait a minute. Does this mean it is now okay to be an "Obama hater" now? Armstead Dec 2015 #56
I read the article a week ago so my memory is hazy. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #61
Okay.... Armstead Dec 2015 #68
Which needs to be seen through these lens DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #72
Fine, I'm not debating the merits of the article Armstead Dec 2015 #73
I appreciate the pickle President Obama was in... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #75
I'm referring more to things like.... Armstead Dec 2015 #76
Yes, this is correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #131
I suspect any African American in a position of leadership confronts that dilemma. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #134
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #135
I knew this article would be spun by a segment of DU. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #57
Same. lovemydog Dec 2015 #59
Here Armstead Dec 2015 #69
I think it's precious that the same folks that can't run fast enough to K&R threads from a white Number23 Dec 2015 #93
+ a zillion! leftofcool Dec 2015 #112
That is interesting, isn't it? Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #119
You're right. And we see this curious phenomena being played out even here though on a smaller scale Number23 Dec 2015 #120
Wow. This used to be Bill Clinton's shtick. Are we supposed to believe it's Hillary's now too? reformist2 Dec 2015 #77
I just don't trust the Clintons on these issues. I still remember Bill throwing subliminal shots in craigmatic Dec 2015 #80
Always the one in power is the one that can do something. That is what powerless means. Derp. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #101
If your name isn't Goldman, Sachs, or Citigroup, she ain't doing shit for you. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #103
You mean the women who dog-whistled in '08 that she appreciated the struggles FiveGoodMen Dec 2015 #111
I guess the Black highly respected academic who wrote the OP disagrees with you. leftofcool Dec 2015 #115
She will reward the POC elite, no doubt about azmom Dec 2015 #116
Yep, sure, wow...unlike Obama, Hillary... Hepburn Dec 2015 #118
Please tell me you're kidding. This is one big joke right? Fearless Dec 2015 #121
Excellent article MaggieD Dec 2015 #124
And it makes Bernie's fans apoplectic! :-D NurseJackie Dec 2015 #125
Yep MaggieD Dec 2015 #126
Not really Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #183
okee dokee! Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #181
I appreciate your campaign propaganda - it's well crafted, and almost succeeds Maedhros Dec 2015 #127
because Rahm? reddread Dec 2015 #130
I don't agree about Obama treestar Dec 2015 #133
with the help of private prisons reddread Dec 2015 #136
Uhm.... onecaliberal Dec 2015 #159
Hillary listens, after getting information then she acts. She hasn't talked over them Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #161
Wow Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #169
Yeah, just trust her by golly. nc4bo Dec 2015 #172
Michael E Dyson being Michael E Dyson Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #173
...but she won't. Unless they work on Wall Street. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #182

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. Your interlocutor dismisses it as such because he is only interested in certain groups as...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

Your interlocutor dismisses it as such because he is only interested in certain groups as political fodder.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
7. That post makes it look like she lost the support of AFAM and BLM, but not so
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:28 PM
Dec 2015

and BLM hasnt officially said anything of the sort

randys1

(16,286 posts)
14. It was ignored by myself and others because it was ludicrous nonsense on
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

it's face, but others dont ignore this at their peril.

DU has become the most anti Hillary site on the internet.

And it is getting worse and NOTHING is being done about it.

thanks for the info on the RW source which should NOT be allowed here

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. Why would somebody here cite a site that is run by former Republican operatives?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:37 PM
Dec 2015

They have to know their reason for existence is to sow discord among our community,


upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
39. Because they don't have anything else
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:20 PM
Dec 2015

to link to.

All that they have is this dishonest anti Hillary narrative that they put together here since June in which they all buy into as official truth.

And right wing attacks on Hillary.

Then they say we won't discuss issues with them but just post polls.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
11. Your source, Berni
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:31 PM
Dec 2015
IJReview gets $1.5 M funding, led by GOP politico and investor Pete Snyder


Disruptor Capital, a Washington-area angel investment firm, has made its second big move in less than two months by leading a $1.5 million funding round in Media Group of America.

The investment will help fuel growth at the the media company, led by Alexandria-based the Independent Journal Review, a two-year-old Web site run and owned two former Republican operatives.


Privately-held Media Group of America, which is profitable, is on track to earn more than $30 million in revenue this year. The company is profitable, said Disruptor Capital chief executive Pete Snyder, who will joining the MGA board.

The company was founded by Alex Skatell and Phil Musser. Skatell, 28, is a former digital director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee and the Republican Governors Association. Musser, 42, a longtime communications and media consultant, is the former executive director of the governors association and was an advisor to former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

http://tinyurl.com/hwq46b5
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
122. She hasn't refused to go - all three will be there
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:28 AM
Dec 2015

She was the first candidate to except their invitation back in Sept. And I just saw an article today that says all three will be there. Where did you get the idea she isn't going?

 

ESKD

(57 posts)
138. It's a forum, not a debate. Both O'Malley and Sanders wants a debate there.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:18 PM
Dec 2015

DWS said no. It's a forum.

As usual, a day late, a dollar short.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
142. you claimed she refused to attend - you're wrong
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:36 PM
Dec 2015

And yes, it's a forum. Where did I say differently? There was a whole thread yesterday smearing Hillary for not whining that it should be converted into a debate. I'm well aware.

 

ESKD

(57 posts)
144. I never claimed she refused to attend
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:22 PM
Dec 2015

Please recheck your facts, or at least pay attention to who said what.

Roguevalley is the one that said she refused to attend, not me.

Just a clarification

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
5. Michael Eric Dyson and Eugene Robinson where discussing this just this morning.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:27 PM
Dec 2015

Dyson thinks she will be much better for AA's than Obama. I only caught a bit of the conversation so I am hoping to find it live somewhere.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
10. Either Bernie or Hillary will have an easier time doing the right thing, whenever
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:30 PM
Dec 2015

Obama does anything, let alone something to help AfAm, he is attacked viciously.

His wife said drinking water was good and they attacked her.

The right are disgusting, vile filth.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
180. No need to pull the ball away.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:39 PM
Dec 2015

The coach of the Third Way Patriots deflates the ball before the kick these days.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
22. Really? How does one ask all blacks what they think?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

This entire premise of treating blacks like they are a separate but unified organism is perplexing to me.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
23. You look at different indicators.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:47 PM
Dec 2015

You look at polling results, endorsements, empirical data, and in some cases personal anecdotes. There is no single way where we can gauge every single person's opinion. We are not gods or an omnipotent being. What we can do is be critically engaged and look at different data and information.

From I can see from all the indicators like endorsements, polling data, etc Hillary has huge support from the African American community. Some polls have pegged her support around 80%.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
25. I do my polling out in the streets and here in LA, I'd put her enthusiastic supporters
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

of any color at about 10%.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
34. The Mayor of LA Eric Garcetti endorsed Hillary Clinton.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

If Bernie Sanders had 90 percent of the color vote there is no way Mayor Garcetti would endorse Hillary Clinton. It would be political suicide and he would lose re-election.

I'm not sure you are doing your candidate any service. If you keep spreading these datas as truth, he won't win. A candidate can only win when he has the correct data to work with.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
35. I said enthusiastic support, didn't I? And nobody but nobody has ever mentioned Garcetti to me in
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:07 PM
Dec 2015

the streets. I'd be shocked if they did.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
37. So, you're saying the majority of the people you know supported Wendy Greuel in the 2013 elections?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:16 PM
Dec 2015

I have bad news for you. Wendy Greuel was one of the earliest endorsers of Hillary Clinton. She endorsed her in 2008. Heck, Bill Clinton supported her in the 2013 mayoral race over Eric Garcetti.

Bill Clinton endorsed Wendy, but Eric Garcetti still chose to endorse Hillary Clinton. So, we have the two leading mayoral candidates from 2013 election support Hillary Clinton. If SBS had these majority of enthusiastic support from PoC, there is no way that these 2 candidates would endorse Hillary Clinton. It would be political suicide.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
43. Uhh, so you're saying these people don't vote in elections? o.o
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:34 PM
Dec 2015

This isn't helping your candidate...Or are you saying that there isn't enough of these people to elect a candidate they believe in? What makes you think they will participate in the democratic primary of they don't believe in the electoral process?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
47. I am in L A
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:38 PM
Dec 2015

There will be East and South L A precincts that Hillary will carry 7-1, 8-1 over Sanders... If he does well in L A it will be on the tony west side.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
46. If they didn't vote for Eric or Wendy, maybe they voted for Kevin James?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:37 PM
Dec 2015

I also have bad news for you again. Kevin James who received the third highest vote in the Mayoral primary is a Republican. You are digging yourself a deeper hole for your candidate.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
84. Yep, the streets. It means out in public instead of behind closed doors and a pc.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:12 PM
Dec 2015

You should try it sometime.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
44. I am In L A as well... I believe her support is significantly higher than 10%
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:34 PM
Dec 2015

I will take the Orange Line to the Red Line to the Blue Line and meet you at the 103rd Street/Watts Tower station, walk around, and we can canvass the people we meet.

How about Monday?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
51. Are you In L A?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:48 PM
Dec 2015

It would be a two and one half hour ride, one way for me, but I will do it...

I believe her minority support is way higher than what our friend suggests.

oasis

(49,387 posts)
65. Glendale.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:28 PM
Dec 2015

But I occasionally visit L.A. from end to end. Many, and I mean many of the AAs I come into contact with, have only the slightest knowledge of Bernie's existence.

That being said, I sense a general indifference toward Hillary and the Primary elections as a whole. Donald Trump is a source of amusement. Most are working class folks and it's way too early for them to get emotionally involved.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
67. I like Glendale...When my gf and I moved to L A in 3/12 we stayed at the Days Inn there,
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:35 PM
Dec 2015

I like Glendale...When my gf and I moved to L A in 3/12 we stayed at the Days Inn there, the one close to Brand Avenue...My gf is from the Philippines so we go to Maxs, across the street from the Galleria.

If Bernie exhibits any strength in L A it will be on the tony west side. Book it.


I don't have a car...It would take me a day to get to Glendale using public transit.



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
97. I am in Woodland Hills... If I look southwest from my balcony I can see the Marriott.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:49 PM
Dec 2015

I don't have a car...By the time I take the Orange Line to NoHo that's an hour, then I have to get on the Red Line to downtown so that's another half hour, then I have to take the Blue Line to Watts...

With waits and what not I have a two and one half hour or so trip...

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
100. I know where Woodland Hills is. Like I said, I'd be happy to pick you up from wherever you want.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:54 PM
Dec 2015

Any weekend you want. I'd love to see some Hillary supporters campaigning. And voter registration is always important.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
104. How about Saturday the 8th, after the holidays...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

I have volunteered to drive folks to the polls when I lived in FL and had a car...

As to canvassing, the last time I canvassed was for Ted Kennedy in 1980.


BTW, where in L A are you?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
106. January, I take it? Okay. I'm in the San Gabriel Valley area but have been campaigning all over
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

including LA.

I look forward to it then.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
108. We lived in Alhambra when we came to L A.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015

All i remember is it was in walking distance of a Popeyes and a McDonalds.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
109. On Valley Blvd, maybe?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:17 PM
Dec 2015

So we have a date, right? PM me after the holidays and we will finalize the plans. I think it will be fun.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
110. I can't remember...We rented a room on AirBNB ...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:21 PM
Dec 2015

It was near an elementary school... Also, reasonably close to a Shakeys...

I know when we took the bus from downtown , we went down Main Street???

We saw a guy pull a gun on another guy, they were probably gangbangers...


Yes, we have a date.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
140. Tell them to meet me for lunch at the McDonalds on Topanga And Erwin...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:33 PM
Dec 2015

Tell them to meet with me for lunch at the McDonalds* near Topanga And Erwin and I will buy them lunch (that's all a plebeian like me can afford) and I will gently show them the error of their ways.







*There are a lot of tony restaurants near by but my budget will be < $15.00 for the three of us...Please let them know in advance.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
95. And, by the way, lots of 'black' people have to work Monday as well.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:47 PM
Dec 2015

I think the weekend would be far better and much more productive.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
102. All Saturdays? How about Sundays?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

I could also do Fridays but I really think the weekends are the best for campaigning. If you really can't do any of those, give me some notice and I will take a day off.

Response to Live and Learn (Reply #22)

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
149. I have taken Bravenak to task on that before. Sadly, she is on vacation again.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:01 PM
Dec 2015

And again for a reason I don't understand.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
90. Who is this 'they' you guys keep referring to?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:18 PM
Dec 2015

And why do you keep talking about black people as if the are a single organism? They are people and are as diverse in opinion as any other group of people.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
147. Really? I wouldn't pretend to guess whether you cared about others from your posts alone.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015

That would be very judgmental and that I am not.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
155. I am not questioning whether you care about people ...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:11 PM
Dec 2015

I'm just saying that, from what I have read, you clearly do not care about what Black people are telling you ... unless it comports with what you wish to hear.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
158. And by black people, you mean, you? I happen to know for a fact that neither you, nor anyone on DU
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:20 PM
Dec 2015

speaks for ALL black people.

Now, please tell me why you think I don't care what you tell me? It is because I don't simply agree with you at all times? Can you give me an example of what you are talking about?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
170. Me ... and just about every other Black DUer ...
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 05:47 AM
Dec 2015

That self identified as being a PoC, prior to May of this year.

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
143. Speaking of "sanctimonious white people"...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:38 PM
Dec 2015

I'd say telling a black person all about how black people 'are' is pretty darn sanctimonious.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
148. Ummm, I think I implied that NOBODY should ever try to put ALL black people in a bucket.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:00 PM
Dec 2015

Nor do you know what race, creed or color I am.

How you could misinterpret what was said is beyond me.

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
150. I understood what you were trying to say
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015

but it came off very differently to me and I suspect I wasn't the only one.

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
154. I understood that you THOUGHT you
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:10 PM
Dec 2015

were saying one thing but it came off as condescending - telling a black person what black people are like and how they should/should not be treated.

I'm pretty sure 1SBM knows his own mind and is in a better position than non-black people to have a deeper insight into the AA community.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
160. You mean telling someone that nobody speaks for all black people?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:23 PM
Dec 2015

Because that is all I stated. Not sure how that could be construed as condescending. In fact, pretending to speak for any group of people without explicit authorization from the entire group is pretty darn condescending if you ask me.

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
162. Okay. I saw something other than
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:56 PM
Dec 2015

what you say you said.

So now we're just talking in circles. I don't care to keep on with that.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
99. Oh and which Black people would that be?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:52 PM
Dec 2015

Because I've seen a pretty broad spectrum of opinion about many topics that doesn't even agree with your own. Do you speak for all Black people? Are you the gatekeeper of Black thought? I would never presume to claim to be the arbiter of gay thought.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
28. This isn't about Hillary vs. Bernie
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:53 PM
Dec 2015

The author is exploring whether the next Democratic President will do more on race than the last one.

Bernie doesn't enter into the equation because outside of a handful of hardcore supporters with blinders on, everyone knows Hillary will be the nominee.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
30. Here's what the author said about Bernie Sanders
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:58 PM
Dec 2015
A Gallup poll in August put her favorable rating among black people at 80 percent. But their calculations are also practical: They think she will win, and more important, that she should win. She waited her turn, the Republicans—even Carson—are impossible, and as Obama’s election proved, black folk are done with symbolic candidacies. Despite the appeal of Bernie Sanders’s economic platform, and his growing sensitivity on race, he is going to lose. They want no part of him.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
31. I saw this coming
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:01 PM
Dec 2015

and I will tell you, while I will help to keep the GOP out of office come 2016, it will be sad to know the narrative "see ya shoulda voted for Hillary in 2008 instead of dat other guy" is getting ginned up. Soon, there will be no small amount of black "spokespeople" talking about how Bill was a better "black president" than Obama could ever be, how things would have been a utopia if we only voted Hillary, and how the reasons for Hillary ditching whatever promises she makes are all the fault of Obama and Bernie Sanders. Obama will be given all the shame, and none of the credit, which will prove that even if a Black person is as good as or better than a white co-worker, they will still be marked down.

Meanwhile the same Bill that blew every racist dog whistle he could will be back in his familiar lair, smoking cigars, and making sure that everyone, Hillary included, knows he does not intend to take a back seat to anyone.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
32. The money quote people --
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015
If we were betrayed by Bill Clinton, and suffered dashed hopes under Obama, maybe, just maybe, we will get from Hillary Clinton what we most need and truly deserve: a set of political practices and policies that reinforce the truth that black lives must, and do, finally matter.

So...maybe...just maybe...we PoC will get what we need and truly deserve. He does not say that yes, we definitely will and here is why. He says, maybe, just maybe.

What a load of speculative bullshit.

And pray tell, where on the campaign trail did Clinton exhibit a greater sophistication about race, an increased sensitivity, and a deeper awareness about racism in this society?

Was it when she said 'all lives matter' in a church outside Ferguson? Or maybe it was the time she had BLM activists removed from her speech? Or perhaps it was the time when Clinton told BLM activists, Yeah, well, respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with a very real problem. ? Or, wait, I know, was it that time recently when she had to apologize for calling undocumented immigrants "illegal immigrants"?

How anyone with two brain cells can deny this reality and still argue with a straight face that Clinton will be a savior for PoC is literally beyond me. Dyson is in a wonderful state of cognitive dissonance with this puff piece.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
33. Has she said anything about repealing the destructive and cruel Welform Reform she supported..
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

..that HURT low income PoC?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
36. She is not running for Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama's third term.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:07 PM
Dec 2015

She is running for her first term. Stop trying to equate Bill Clinton's policies as Hillary Clinton's. Honestly, it feels pretty sexist. Just because she is the wife of a former president doesn't mean she's not her own person and woman.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
38. She is On-the-Record as supporting this aweful legislation that hurt Poc
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015

who could afford it the least.


In the 1990s and early 2000s, Hillary Clinton touted the success of Bill Clinton’s 1996 overhaul of the country’s welfare system, framed as the transition from “dependency to dignity” — a subject she hasn’t spoken much about this year during her campaign.

Bill Clinton’s overhaul of the welfare system, which was passed in conjunction with a Republican-controlled Congress, replaced a major federal welfare program with block grants to states, required adults to find a job within two years of receiving aid, placed a five-year limit on aid, blocked future legal immigrants from welfare assistance, and cut $24 billion in food stampsIt was denounced by many Democrats, including Peter Edelman, who resigned from his post at the Department of Health and Human Services, arguing that the law would do “serious injury to American children.”
Writing about the law in a 1999 column, then-First Lady Clinton said “too many” welfare recipients “had known nothing but dependency all their lives.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/hillary-clinton-used-to-talk-about-how-the-people-on-welfare#.okkVqvdDO



Before you go attacking the messenger, the fact that Hillary supported this legislation that HURT poor PoC the WORST, there is plenty of documentation and video tape to confirm the above.

Has she ever apologized to Poc for lobbying to cut this program.?
Can we expect MORE of the SAME?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
41. You're asking what Hillary Clinton will do for Americans in terms of the economy and job creation?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:31 PM
Dec 2015

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. Are you asking if Hillary Clinton has a plan to help the middle class and poor folks? Or are you trying to blame the welfare reform on Hillary Clinton?

If you want to know her plan, check out her website at https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes.

Like I said Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. She is her own person. Please stop trying to equate the two. I think you are trending on dangerous territory. Sexism isn't only a problem among the right, but it's a problem on the left, too.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
45. And there is the 'sexism' defense.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:36 PM
Dec 2015

Clinton is on record as supporting most of her husband's more odious policies from NAFTA to banking reform to DADT/DOMA to welfare reform.

We are not equating the two people. We are challenging her support of them then, and her about faces and lies now.

How does she intend to correct the welfare reform polices that she championed of her husbands then with concrete plans now?

That is the type of question that y'all avoid by saying, "Oh, look, it is sexist to ask these".

Sorry we are not buying that anymore.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
49. Ok, I think I now understand. You are a single issue voter and applying a litmus test.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:42 PM
Dec 2015

If you are a single issue voter, then there is nothing I can do. There is nothing I say will convince you otherwise. It's like trying to convince a NRA supporter to vote Democratic or trying to convince an anti-choice person to vote democratic. It seems your single issue and litmus test is welfare reform.

Fortunately, single issue welfare reform voters are a tiny tiny tiny segment of the voting population.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
53. Don't quit your day job.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:53 PM
Dec 2015

I used welfare reform as but one example.

As a PoC, it is just a wee bit important to me though. And guess what? Welfare reform, the drug war, and for profit prisons are three big issues for PoC stemming from the Clintons.

But yeah, we are such a tiny tiny segment of the voting population.

Go back to your sexism defense. Mind reading isn't your strong suit.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
54. Please stop with your personal attacks. I have family who have learning disabilities
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:56 PM
Dec 2015

I don't mind when discussions get heated, but personal attacks cross the line. I would like an apology please.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
58. They never apologize and when you respond in kind they alert...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:05 PM
Dec 2015

I would also point out that support for welfare reform enjoyed broad support that transcended demographics. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
60. During the Dean vs Kerry vs Edwards days, I don't ever recall personal attacks being acceptable.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:15 PM
Dec 2015

And if people did engaged in personal attacks the mods would delete the post and warn the poster. During the time, I was a Howard Dean supporter, so I can understand that people can be passionate, but that doesn't mean we engage in personal destruction. It doesn't mean we engage in sexist, racial, and prejudices attacks, We are better than Republicans. We are not the party of Donald Trump.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
64. You can't be serious.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:25 PM
Dec 2015

You make gross assumptions and accuse members here of being sexist.

When we push back against that with the worst thing I said is that you are a poor mind reader, you now claim that it is a personal attack on you and your family with learning disabilities.

No, I will not apologize to you. Especially since this has ZERO to do with any sort of learning disability. How about you apologize to this bi-racial man for your gross assumptions about single issue voting when the Clinton 1990's 'reforms' have been devastating to me, my family, and my community.

Yeah, I didn't think so.


You are more than welcome to put me on Ignore.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
66. I apologize if I have offended you. Please accept my apology.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:32 PM
Dec 2015

It was my fault for assuming you were a single issue voter. To tell you the truth, I thought I was responding to bvar22. I then realize too late that you were a different person. Please accept my apology.

P.S. You told me to not quit my day job and then you accuse me of being a poor mind reader.It's pretty obvious you were hinting that I had Asperger. I don't think it's funny or right to do personal attacks. It reminds me of the days when people would call people "retards." These days, people are just more subtle about it.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
74. Thank you for apologizing for that but it is not necessary.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:03 PM
Dec 2015

For me this is a very serious campaign season, and I expect arguments, dissension, and conflicts.

Lots of people both with and without Aspergers make assumptions. These little 'mind reading' attempts get in the way of direct and honest communication. And any of us can learn to stop doing it as well.

Accusing you of being a mind reader was definitely not a hint at you having Aspergers. How would I even have known that about you? As far as I know, this is my first time interacting with you here.

Now, how would you even know that I about me? I have Aspergers, and I am a psychologist. Now you know that about me because I have shared it directly with you and now others as well who read this. I am not my labels any more than you are yours.

I am sorry you were hurt in the past(I can empathize from my own experiences), and if you make the assumption that I am doing the same without direct communication to the affirmative, you are potentially 'attacking' yourself while defending against an imagined slight instead of a real insult.

So I would like to move past this and whether we agree or not, it is still not sexist to strongly challenge Clinton on her husband's positions when she herself has owned them as part of her own legacy. Fair enough?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
78. Awww thanks. Your post has made me feel better
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:34 PM
Dec 2015

I think we, including myself forget that the person behind the username and keyboard is a real person. I for one would never be so direct or in your face if I was talking to you in person. I guess we feel somewhat more free behind our anonymity.

And yes, I do have positions that I disagree with Hillary Clinton, but I try to look at the whole totality.

I'm glad we were able to have a discussion and come to some type of resolution. It was nice talking to you.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
79. I agree.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:52 PM
Dec 2015

The internet can be wonderful, scary, connective, and depersonalizing all at the same time.

I am glad we resolved things as well. Take care.

Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #66)

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
52. I'm optimistic.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:52 PM
Dec 2015

I think she can get a lot done as President. I think she has been listening well to the significant issues brought forth in the last few years involving black lives matter and economic inequality.

There's strong evidence and growing consensus that we need significant change to improve our country. She's proposing a strong liberal agenda, and she has built strong coalitions that help it get accomplished.

For example there's talk even among conservatives that government is spending too much on private prisons. And red states have recently been voting for raising their minimum wage.

The primary advantage that Hillary has, in my opinion, is that she can help build a broad enough consensus to help pass legislation that benefits the large majority. Building on the accomplishments of the Obama Administration and pushing it forward even further. It think this is a real positive that she has in her favor.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
56. Now wait a minute. Does this mean it is now okay to be an "Obama hater" now?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

The guy is bashing Obama.

If this article was in favor of Sanders, but making the same arguments about Obama, a certain faction here would be swarming about how Sanders and his supporters are "Obama haters" .

Now of course if all those Clinton supporters who would do that will disavow this article, they will be intellectually consistent.

If not...


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
61. I read the article a week ago so my memory is hazy.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:21 PM
Dec 2015

Can you please cite where the author "bash(ed)" Obama?


Thank you in advance.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
68. Okay....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:43 PM
Dec 2015

First though, my post was critical of those who always whine that anything remotely critical of Obama is "Obama hating." I am NOT saying this article should be criticized simply because Dyson has less than flattering observations about him. Dyson also also says that in other respects he greatly admires Obama.

My real point is that Dyson would be thrown under the bus as an "Obama hater" if he had written a similar article in praise of Sanders. There is a tendency to use that "Obama hater" shit against Sanders or anyone who is critical of any aspects Obama's performance. So it is a double standard if those same people overlook the critical aspects of Obama and don't apply the same standard to this article, simply because it is favorable to Clinton.

Having said that, from the article:


"

Obama never had to face the heat of Black Lives Matter as he ran for office. His slow action on police problems, and his reluctance to confront racial crises, opened a leadership vacuum into which this movement has slipped. Obama has been a big disappointment to many of the black people who, like me, looked to him for leadership. On race, as his conservative opponents like to say about foreign policy, he has led from behind. He has offered lectures about failed black morality but, until recently, avoided embracing race as an issue, for fear that it would damage his ability to “get things done” with the white mainstream.

Which means that Obama has been, until late in his presidency, of little practical use to black folk, the same people who magnified his symbolic value while deflecting attention from his failure to adopt substantive policies to counter, for instance, black unemployment, or persistent intergenerational poverty, or until recently, a criminal justice system that has engulfed the lives of millions of his people. Obama and his fellow Democrats, unlike the BLM activists, have mostly steered safely clear of the folklore of race, the strains of anti-blackness that thread through American history and shape this country’s policies, perspectives, and politics."



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
72. Which needs to be seen through these lens
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

Which needs to be seen through these lens:

In the weird, paradoxical politics of American race, Bill Clinton had greater permission to be black in public than Barack Obama, which is another way of saying it cost Obama far more political capital to revel in race the way Clinton did. No matter the cause, the effect of Obama’s limited ability to maneuver inside the perilous parameters of race means that an even more punishing paradox looms: A white woman shattering the barrier of gender may carry the baton of racial engagement further than he ever could, or did, or was willing to fight to do.



When it came to issues of race President Obama had to walk gingerly lest he be accused of showing partiality. I suspect many African Americans in positions of power have to confront that same dilemma.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
73. Fine, I'm not debating the merits of the article
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:59 PM
Dec 2015

Simply that those points about Obama would be characterized as an unacceptable attack on Obama if Dyson's article had been in support of Sanders.

Maybe you would have don that, maybe not. Dunno. But many would have.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
75. I appreciate the pickle President Obama was in...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:07 PM
Dec 2015

Much of his success was predicated on being the president of a post-racial America. Of course that America doesn't exist but that was the system in which he had to navigate... I believe that's the reason why Cornel West's criticism of him as a sell out was met with such hostility by most black folks. They realized even the president has to play the hand he was dealt. As they say "Don't hate the playa, hate the game."

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
76. I'm referring more to things like....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:19 PM
Dec 2015

The times that Sanders has been critical of some of Obama's actions or policies, he is cited as an "Obama hater."


(I'm not going to actively defend Cornell West. I think he's sometimes correct about many things, but his way of expressing himself is annoying.)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
131. Yes, this is correct ...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:42 AM
Dec 2015

It's the position every Black first has found themselves ... the reason Dr. West's criticisms were might with such anger is because he should know better.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
134. I suspect any African American in a position of leadership confronts that dilemma.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:57 AM
Dec 2015

It's ironic how the burden of fairness shifts...

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
59. Same.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:11 PM
Dec 2015

Some bring so many resentments & biases to a topic that they come away interpreting the exact opposite of what the author is trying to convey.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
93. I think it's precious that the same folks that can't run fast enough to K&R threads from a white
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015

person that has anointed themselves the official spokesperson of MLK and other black voices (though most black posters here wouldn't want him speaking for WHITE people, let alone us) are now dismissing outright this incredibly well written, thoughtful piece by a person who is not only ACTUALLY black, but is one of the most well regarded minority academics in this country.

Not to mention discounting Hillary's endorsements from prominent black people and organizations, and her incredibly high polling in the black community. Their denials bring exciting new meaning to the phrase "confirmation bias" not to mention "wishful thinking."

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
119. That is interesting, isn't it?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:17 PM
Dec 2015

You always nail things.

I honestly think Obama would have loved to have done more on race, but because of the weird and sick society we live it, it will seem more legit coming from a white leader, and less assailable. I hate that we live in that world though.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
120. You're right. And we see this curious phenomena being played out even here though on a smaller scale
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:09 AM
Dec 2015

Black posters talk about race issues, we are labled "race naggers" "race baiters" and any assorted number of (what I thought were right wing) insults from people who LOVE to pat themselves on the back with how "liberal" they are.

But white posters, many of whom have actual ADVERSARIAL relationships with black posters, talk about race and its viewed far more positively. Even if they don't have the first goddamned clue what they are talking about. It is such a fascinating thing.

This is probably why so many movies, even about black historical events, have to be made from the white perspective in order to make the audience "comfortable." It's no wonder so many know so little and their ability to empathize is even smaller.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
80. I just don't trust the Clintons on these issues. I still remember Bill throwing subliminal shots in
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:56 PM
Dec 2015

the 08 primary and being very willing to throw blacks under the bus when it suited him.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
111. You mean the women who dog-whistled in '08 that she appreciated the struggles
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:21 PM
Dec 2015

of good, hard-working white people???!?

I don't motherfucking think so.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
116. She will reward the POC elite, no doubt about
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:34 PM
Dec 2015

That. And those, Church leaders, they are the most corrupt people you will ever find.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
124. Excellent article
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:36 AM
Dec 2015

Oddly enough after "Killer Mike" I was really hoping Dyson would soon weigh in on these issues.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
127. I appreciate your campaign propaganda - it's well crafted, and almost succeeds
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:57 AM
Dec 2015

at appearing heartfelt.

You're good at your job!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
133. I don't agree about Obama
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:52 AM
Dec 2015

He was only pushing back at the right winger claim he'd be President of only black people. He never "disclaimed his racial affiliation."

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
161. Hillary listens, after getting information then she acts. She hasn't talked over them
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:27 PM
Dec 2015

With shouts. One can not listen when shouting.

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