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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:04 PM Dec 2015

Hillary's Fundraising BUNDLER Lobbies For The Geo Group. This Is What Geo Thinks About America.

It’s no secret that the same folks who defend the private prison industry are also defending Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/

What is the business philosophy of the Geo Group? Well, here’s what this for-profit prison corporation thinks about America — the hubris is breathtaking.

A senior executive with the second-largest for-profit prison company in America assured investment bankers last summer that despite talk of drug policy and criminal justice reform, the country will continue to “attract crime,” generating new “correctional needs.”

“The reality is, we are a very affluent country, we have loose borders, and we have a bad education system,” said Shayn March, the vice president and treasurer of the Geo Group. “And all that adds up to a significant amount of correctional needs, which, thankfully, we’ve been able to help the country out with and states with by providing a lower cost solution.”


The previously unreported remarks were made during a presentation at the Barclays High Yield Bond & Syndicated Loan conference in June.

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/22/geo-group-explains-crime/

Some in our community may be comfortable with Hillary aligning herself with individuals earning millions as lobbyists defending this kind of immoral, predatory capitalism. I, however, am not. But, sadly, because the Democratic Party seems intent to destroy the campaign of the only candidate who will seriously end private prisons — Bernie Sanders — folks like the Geo Group’s Shayn March can be the biggest assholes on the planet and know they will never, ever suffer any damage to their morally-repugnant “business.”



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/26/1463774/-Hillary-s-fundraising-bundler-lobbies-for-the-Geo-Group-This-is-what-Geo-thinks-about-America
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Hillary's Fundraising BUNDLER Lobbies For The Geo Group. This Is What Geo Thinks About America. (Original Post) Segami Dec 2015 OP
Says one thing while campaignin' but enjoys the cash flow from the system she claims nc4bo Dec 2015 #1
it says a lot who you associate with roguevalley Dec 2015 #39
Educate or Incarcerate? That IS THE QUESTION! I Guess Hillary Is Going With The INCARCERATE Option CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #40
Yet though AA who support Clinton don't seem to have issues with any of her stances davidpdx Dec 2015 #75
I suspect the number of Black Americans who support Hillary is substantially overstated. Scuba Dec 2015 #86
The more I read, the more I hate Clinton. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #53
So offensive that our party CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #59
It's revolting ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #64
I'm kind of tired of their foisting CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #66
As expected. I don't 840high Dec 2015 #77
It would be difficult to overstate the level of hypocrisy coming from Hillary and her campaign. Scuba Dec 2015 #2
But to her fan club here denial is just a river in Egypt. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #3
They're not in denial CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #60
You are correct. 840high Dec 2015 #79
Take a look what I wrote in #75 davidpdx Dec 2015 #76
Let the real Hillary step forward. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #4
It's easier to fool someone, than to convince them they've been fooled. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #7
+1 So true. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #78
It will be fascinating to see this somehow spun into a "good thing" arcane1 Dec 2015 #5
Ughhhhhh.... SoapBox Dec 2015 #6
warehousing US citizens like cattle... farleftlib Dec 2015 #8
That is chilling. And very telling. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #9
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #10
What an atrocious neo-slavery system developled to break down the participation of black appalachiablue Dec 2015 #11
Question: How do they offer lower costs than the government did and still rake in the profits? Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #73
Lower costs? Only in the lobbying BS. liam_laddie Dec 2015 #89
Is your client list a political statement? I know mine, never was. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #91
Overcharging defenseless, incarcerated prisoners for one thing. In some facilities it costs appalachiablue Dec 2015 #100
You cannot trust Hillary Clinton bl968 Dec 2015 #12
It ONLY Gets Worse... And I thought I knew Just About Everything About This Expletive Candidate CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #41
Then we have the oh, so lovely, Debtors' Prison..... nc4bo Dec 2015 #48
All these lobbying firms have a multitude of clients. No one is responsible for their pnwmom Dec 2015 #13
Really? So they're giving it to her PACs instead? Big Whoop! Divernan Dec 2015 #14
She only recently quit taking money from the private prison industry, as you know. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #15
Well, if it wasn't for Sanders' enabling vote back in the 1990s we might not even have...... George II Dec 2015 #18
yes that was a wrong vote for sanders questionseverything Dec 2015 #25
That's not what his explanation was this summer. He said he voted for it because..... George II Dec 2015 #43
desperation MrChuck Dec 2015 #45
Sorry, I don't even know what that means. George II Dec 2015 #47
Ah. MrChuck Dec 2015 #70
Sorry, I'm not "desperately" trying anything. I suggest you stick around a little longer..... George II Dec 2015 #71
On some days you ding Bernie for 'not being a real Democrat' today you ding him for Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #87
No, you totally misread or didn't understand the point of my post. The thing is that.... George II Dec 2015 #96
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #98
I have argued with you in the past (pope stuff) DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #108
George, how much do you get for getting Bernie supporters banned? just wondering litlbilly Dec 2015 #58
my post was my opinion only questionseverything Dec 2015 #97
And yet you're supporting a candidate that voted for that legislation vs. a candidate that didn't. George II Dec 2015 #102
hc supported the legislation while first lady,she is way more culpable than bernie questionseverything Dec 2015 #105
Sanders voted for it, Hillary Clinton didn't - and yet you spin that as.... George II Dec 2015 #106
Great someone admits that Sanders has some judgement votes that he takes 100% responsibility uponit7771 Dec 2015 #118
as i said earlier,many of us were fooled into trusting the clintons questionseverything Dec 2015 #120
Do you have a link to that vote by chance? n/t xocet Dec 2015 #26
My thought too. tecelote Dec 2015 #34
The growth of private prisons came about due to the mass incarceration as a result of: George II Dec 2015 #46
This link shows the bill's progress and links to all votes, in the House just 64 Democrats Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #88
Yep...just like the totally fake "Blame Hillary for this bill" routine won't work... George II Dec 2015 #103
He did farleftlib Dec 2015 #37
Ahh yes, the Bill Clinton bill. I am sure Hillary told Bill not to sign it, though. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #55
This thread is about the soulless fucks Hillary Clinton keeps in her inner circle DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #107
SHe "just recently" realized the For Profit Prisons and Mandatory Sentencing are a BAD thing???!!!! bvar22 Dec 2015 #30
She doesn't need a moral compass. She has focus groups. nt DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #109
which apparently came with her fingers crossed Doctor_J Dec 2015 #32
This is very true; but, again ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #90
Thanks. Alas, being a well-connected Democrat is the last thing pnwmom Dec 2015 #99
Do you have any concept of fundraising, the ubiquitous "bundlers", etc.? George II Dec 2015 #16
Do you think that donations are made against your corporation's self interest? tecelote Dec 2015 #36
"Your corporation"? George II Dec 2015 #62
"data through July 21, 2105" BeanMusical Dec 2015 #81
But does that include data from back to her first Senate campaign? Most of those graphs... George II Dec 2015 #93
K & R MoreGOPoop Dec 2015 #17
During the next "debate" being held on a DWS weekend ......................... turbinetree Dec 2015 #19
And I always thought the Mob was bad. sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #20
TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ThePhilosopher04 Dec 2015 #21
No Surprise. SHe is and has always been a Corporatist. Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #22
He got part of this right passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #23
Huge K&R! Thanks, Segami! Duval Dec 2015 #24
Was Sanders fund raising when hd met with the bank, tobacco and banking lobbyists? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #27
any links to support your hopemountain Dec 2015 #44
Here: Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #49
i won't bother reading the politico blog hopemountain Dec 2015 #51
I don't know which sought the other, Sanders was at the meeting. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #56
yet, you imply he was fundraising. hopemountain Dec 2015 #57
Here's the Complete List of Attendees.. gordyfl Dec 2015 #80
The lobbyists meeting I was referring was lobbyists from bank, energy Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #112
dunno. Start a thread. This is about the lowlife scum Hillary Clinton keeps around. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #110
Who is the low life scum Hillary Clinton keeps around? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #111
Check the OP. I feel like you're very close to getting this. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #113
So it is lobbyists, got it, so you are saying lobbyists are low Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #114
F for the day. Permanent record. Come back when you know how to be serious. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #115
I am serious, I would not categorize lobbyists as low life scum, maybe Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #116
There are lobbyists, and there are lobbyists. Goodbye. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #117
Yea for Hillary FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #28
She's trained her supporters to use half of their senses to make sense of the variances, she'll no orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #29
Oh, really, do you have a link? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #50
This will not affect how she governs 11!!!1!!1111!!!!&$@ Doctor_J Dec 2015 #31
Sinister people know no boundaries in creating sinister plots. Just say no, Hillary, just say no! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #33
Wow! cui bono Dec 2015 #35
Damn, Segami, the quote from March made me throw up in my mouth a little dorkzilla Dec 2015 #38
This is one of the most disturbing things I've read in a long time. Absolutely unacceptable whereisjustice Dec 2015 #42
Question - Why would she continue to have anything to jwirr Dec 2015 #52
absolutely unacceptable hopemountain Dec 2015 #54
Tax Money for profit prisons are also the new plantation slave system where the food and housing Todays_Illusion Dec 2015 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author LettuceSea Dec 2015 #68
Oh noes! Eko Dec 2015 #63
Tad Devine - "One of the Nation's Most Respected..." gordyfl Dec 2015 #85
...And people think she will get the AA and Latino vote. Lol. LettuceSea Dec 2015 #65
"we have a bad education system" is part of the sales pitch Babel_17 Dec 2015 #67
Politically I can't emphasize enough how stupid she was for accepting $$ Let's see who P4P impacts: LettuceSea Dec 2015 #69
K&R Paka Dec 2015 #72
"immoral, predatory capitalism." BeanMusical Dec 2015 #74
HRC Is A Pawn Of the Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks That Pay For Her Campaign cantbeserious Dec 2015 #82
Terrible SHRED Dec 2015 #83
The corporate candidate SHRED Dec 2015 #84
We know the candidates by who pays their way. 99Forever Dec 2015 #92
Complete nonsense. uberblonde Dec 2015 #94
She'll take a harsh stance against them, just like she did Wall Street. Lancero Dec 2015 #95
KNR Faux pas Dec 2015 #101
You've got to dig back to July for "news"? This has been hashed and rehashed for almost six months George II Dec 2015 #104
Wow! Nt Logical Dec 2015 #119

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
1. Says one thing while campaignin' but enjoys the cash flow from the system she claims
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:12 PM
Dec 2015

she's against.....??

On the incredible yet classic scale, I give it a 9.5 out of 10!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
40. Educate or Incarcerate? That IS THE QUESTION! I Guess Hillary Is Going With The INCARCERATE Option
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015

Which, DISPROPORTIONATELY results in the incarceration of non-whites to a huge degree.

Anyone else around here think that this fact needs to be distributed widely?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
75. Yet though AA who support Clinton don't seem to have issues with any of her stances
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:42 AM
Dec 2015

especially this one. The scream about social issues while their candidate and her bundlers quietly support some of the most draconian policies, lock'em up in a private prison and throw away the key.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
86. I suspect the number of Black Americans who support Hillary is substantially overstated.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 05:46 AM
Dec 2015

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
59. So offensive that our party
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 09:41 PM
Dec 2015

is leveraging her campaign through the DNC.

It's revolting and disgusting.

Hillary represents the absolute worst examples of political corruption.

And it's somehow the fault of the party faithful who don't want anything to do with this diseased mountain of corruption?

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
64. It's revolting ...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 10:30 PM
Dec 2015

... and represents the worst of party politics. We have a legitimate progressive who wants to represent us, and the DNC wants to foist this wretched human being on us.

Disgusting.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
66. I'm kind of tired of their foisting
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 10:42 PM
Dec 2015

a terrible candidate who is offensive in all categories, but is also unelectable in a GE.

I can't wait to see who the HNC will leverage next. Maybe that dentist who shot Cecil the lion?



 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. It would be difficult to overstate the level of hypocrisy coming from Hillary and her campaign.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

The arrogance of flat out lying about your positions with impunity reminds me the Republicans. It's fucking scary.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
76. Take a look what I wrote in #75
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:44 AM
Dec 2015

I'd be interested to see if you agree with me based on your comment.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
4. Let the real Hillary step forward.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

She can spin like a top on the campaign trail and fool many, but in the end she's just another corporate shill that will focus on herself and her close friends at the top.

Bernie 2016! The top 1% has gotten enough, it's time for the plebes to get some of the gains of the last century back.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. It will be fascinating to see this somehow spun into a "good thing"
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:37 PM
Dec 2015

Though it's more likely the Clinton camp won't go anywhere near this post.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
8. warehousing US citizens like cattle...
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:45 PM
Dec 2015

and supporting the DP, all the while describing herself as a "progressive." It's just nauseating.

appalachiablue

(43,825 posts)
11. What an atrocious neo-slavery system developled to break down the participation of black
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:55 PM
Dec 2015

and brown people in society and to provide state sponsored exploitable labor and highly lucrative profits for private corporations. Blatant racism and plunder that are a pox on the US.

Dustlawyer

(10,536 posts)
73. Question: How do they offer lower costs than the government did and still rake in the profits?
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:32 AM
Dec 2015

Crappier and less food, lower wages for staff, inadequate medical care, prison labor, and no attempt at rehabilitation and drug/alcohol treatment. These prisoners just get meaner and learn to be better, more violent criminals when they get out. The company even has an incentive for higher recidivism rates!

These are the backers of the leading DEMOCRATIC candidate?

liam_laddie

(1,321 posts)
89. Lower costs? Only in the lobbying BS.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:59 AM
Dec 2015

The labor expense line in the financials is probably much lower than the government's.
Profit uber alles, y'know.

appalachiablue

(43,825 posts)
100. Overcharging defenseless, incarcerated prisoners for one thing. In some facilities it costs
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 06:51 PM
Dec 2015

inmates $36 per minute for long distance phone calls, an exorbitant fee that that has been confronted in one or more states recently. Prisoners also labor to produce goods including furniture I've read. Reports here have even focused on attempts to charge prisoners for the debts of their families, a punishment that will take years to fulfill or never. The rapid growth of the US prison population in the last twenty years to 2.2 million, the largest in the world, has been under a great deal of scrutiny lately for good reason.
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Earlier periods utilized workhouses, indentured servitude, debtors prisons and the corrupt debt peonage/prison system, or slavery by another name during the repressive post Civil War Jim Crow era that largely impacted blacks and Hispanics in the American south and southwest after Reconstruction ended in 1877 up until the 2nd World War. In the 18th century even well off figures like Gen. Henry 'Lighthorse Harry' Lee served time if they became indebted. Lee, a Revolutionary War hero, Continental Congress member and Gov. of Va., later served two terms in debtors prison and died disgraced in Barbados for pursuing risky financial schemes, investments and land speculation. The expansion of corporate capitalism in the Industrial Age and Victorian era (1837-1901) brought an epoch when masses of adults, children, the elderly and vulnerable were impoverished and made to toil in workhouses/almshouses for their crimes, debts and poverty.

The abominable conditions of the working class and the poor were famously depicted by English novelist and social critic Charles Dickens in popular works like 'Oliver Twist' (1839) and 'A Christmas Carol' (1843). When he visited the US on a book tour in the 1840s, Dickens commented on the deplorable existence in urban slums he saw when visiting the Five Points area of New York. In France, famous writer and committed republican Victor Hugo wrote of the appalling life of those impoverished in 'Les Miserables' (1862). Later in the US, author Sinclair Lewis exposed shocking realities of immigrant laborers and animal factory processing in the Chicago meat industry with his noted work 'The Jungle' (1906) that ignited early food standard reforms by President Theodore Roosevelt.

Dickens knew the dark times he wrote of firsthand from his boyhood days laboring in a London boot-blacking factory to help pay off debts accrued by his imprisoned Navy clerk father. Actor Charlie Chaplin also experienced the Victorian workhouse as a child when his London vaudeville hall musician family broke apart and fell into poverty.
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In the 19th century and early 20th century, US factory owners charged textile workers for the chairs they sat in to work, and for supplies, like breaking a needle. Coal miners were deceived about the amount of tonnage used to calculate their pay by placing a hidden lining in the bottom of coal carts so that miners had to dig and load more coal for which they were uncompensated. The methods and tactics employed to abuse and exploit workers with few rights and advocates in unregulated capitalism are endless. Workplace changes and social improvements in America began in the early 20th century after decades of effort by workers and social and labor activists, thank God.



bl968

(360 posts)
12. You cannot trust Hillary Clinton
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:56 PM
Dec 2015

Do you really think Hillary is really gonna do anything about overhauling our broken Criminal Justice system, other than make it harsher and to put even more people in jail. LOL. Think about it, Bill Clinton's Crime Bill created it; and she has been there sucking at the teat for all she's worth ever since.

The for profit prison industry wants this woman as president and they wouldn't do that without expecting their money's worth in return...

Three links tell you all you need to know...

Judge Sentenced for Selling Kids/Adults into For-Profit Prison

A Pennsylvania judge has been convicted of selling children into prison for cash. The former judge, 61-year old Mark Ciavarella Jr, was sentenced to 30 years for taking money under the table from a developer and jailing thousands of adults and juveniles, some as young as ten. Ciavarella made more than a million dollars selling people into incarceration.

Read more: http://bluenationreview.com/judge-sentenced-selling-kids-profit-prison/#ixzz3vSj9AKJ7


Then you have this gem of a story...


"Lockup Quotas," "Low-crime Taxes," and the For-Profit Prison Industry

In 2012, Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest for-profit prison company in the country, sent a letter to 48 state governors offering to buy their public prisons. CCA offered to buy and operate state prisons in exchange for a 20-year contract, which would include a 90 percent occupancy rate guarantee for the entire term. Essentially, the state would have to guarantee that its prison would be 90 percent filled for the next 20 years (a lockup quota), or pay the company for unused prison beds if the number of inmates dipped below 90 percent capacity at any point during the contract term (a "low-crime tax" that essentially penalizes taxpayers when prison incarceration rates fall).

Read more: www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-cohen/lockup-quotas-lowcrime-ta_b_3956336.html


Lastly,


States Guarantee High Prison Populations for Private Prison Industry’s Profits

"The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by our criminal laws."

Read more: truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/prison-populations-private-profits/18248-prison-populations-private-profits


She has shown that she will do anything, say anything, be anything to get elected. After that all bets are off. That is why I will not vote for this woman no matter what.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
41. It ONLY Gets Worse... And I thought I knew Just About Everything About This Expletive Candidate
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 07:47 PM
Dec 2015

How can ANYONE, Man OR Woman vote for this self serving Narcissist who is completely devoid of ANY personal or professional integrity.

Could give a rats ass about the people who serve overseas in any capacity and who will lie whenever and wherever it serves her needs.

To discuss her history is not being mean spirited or negative as it is entirely of her own doing. She is like the catty self centered girl that you remember from 10th grade...

THIS is who these people want to put in the Oval Office? Disgusting!

THIS Primary Election Will Go Down As An Epic Battle between Good and Evil... We all know which is which and Who is who...

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
48. Then we have the oh, so lovely, Debtors' Prison.....
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015
https://www.schr.org/our-work/debtors-prisons


Debtors' Prisons
Contrary to what many people may believe, there are debtors’ prisons throughout the United States where people are imprisoned because they are too poor to pay fines and fees.



SCHR Files on Behalf of Detainees who cannot pay

Ora Lee Hurley spent nearly a year at the Georgia Department of Corrections, Atlanta Diversion Center due to her inability to pay a $705 fine from a 15-year-old drug conviction because she was charged for staying there. A court had ordered Ms. Hurley imprisoned until her fine was paid. While held at the Diversion Center, Ms. Hurley was employed full-time at arestaurant thatsent her paycheck directly to the Department of Corrections. Although Ms. Hurley never missed a day of work and earned over $7,000, the Department took nearly every penny of her earnings. Left with only $23 per month to buy food, toiletries, and pay her fine, Ms. Hurley was being confined in perpetuity. She was released only after SCHR filed a habeas petition on her behalf.


Or this lovely example:

Many counties throughout the South, for example, are committing scarce dollars to building larger jails in anticipation of securing a lucrative contract with the federal government to house detainees for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the United States Marshals Service or even prisoners from other counties or other states. One example would be the importation of incarcerated women from Connecticut to a private prison in Aliceville, AL. As another example, the design of work release programs - something that should be focused on developing skills and reducing recidivism - is often driven primarily by an interest in collecting as much money as possible from the prisoner-workers. The privatization of probation, imprisonment, and other parts of the criminal justice system create incentives for expanding the criminalization of poor people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/10/21/a-debtors-prison-in-mississippi/

During a single week in 2011, Joseph Anderson, 52, suffered three heart attacks and a stroke. The latter left the left side of his body partially paralyzed. Later that year, he suffered a fourth heart attack. Prior to his health problems, Anderson worked as a mechanic at a local Best Western. After that disastrous stretch, he has been unable to work, and struggles to get by on the less than $10,000 per year he gets in various forms of public assistance.

In 2012 a Biloxi, Mississippi, police officer pulled Anderson over for speeding. He was fined $170, or about 20 percent of his monthly income. When he couldn’t pay that amount, a city judge sentenced Anderson to 12 months of misdemeanor probation. He was ordered to pay $50 per month to the city until his fine was paid off. But that wasn’t all. Anderson’s probation would be administered by a private company called Judicial Correction Services, Incorporated (JCS). In addition to what he owed the city, he was also ordered to pay JCS a $10 set-up charge, and a $40 monthly “supervision fee.” That $40 fee was due each month for the duration of his probation, even once he had paid off his original fine. All of which means that because Anderson was too poor to pay his $170 fine, his overall debt ballooned to $580. His fine more than tripled, solely because he was too poor to pay it.


Anderson was told he’d be released if he could pay $220 on the spot. He didn’t have anywhere near that kind of money. So he was booked. On the first day of his incarceration, he was denied access to his heart medication. He spent six additional nights locked up — he spent the 2013 New Year alone in a jail cell —before he was released by a judge. During his week behind bars, Anderson was never told that he had the right to an attorney.


https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/02/24/debtors-prisons-then-and-now-faq#.oiT8RMwC1

In the first category are credit card debt, unpaid medical bills and car payments, and payday loans and other high-interest, short-term cash advances, which indigent borrowers rely on but struggle to repay. In these cases, the creditor – a predatory lender, a landlord, or a utility provider – or a debt collector (hired by the creditor) may bypass bankruptcy court and take the debtor straight to civil court. If the debtor fails to show up, or if the judge deems that the debtor is “willfully” not paying the debt, the judge may write a warrant for the debtor’s arrest on a charge of “contempt of court.” The debtor is then held in jail until he or she posts bond or pays the debt, in a process known as “pay or stay.

”The second category, termed “criminal justice financial obligations,” actually consists of three sub-categories: fines, i.e. monetary penalties imposed as a condition of a sentence, including, say, a traffic ticket; fees, which may include jail book-in fees, BAIL INVESTIGATION FEES5, public defender application fees, drug testing fees, DNA testing fees, jail per-diems for pretrial detention, court costs, felony surcharges, public defender recoupment fees, and on and on and on; and restitution, made to the victim or victims for personal or property damage. Also in this category are costs of imprisonment (billed to inmates in 41 states), and of parole and probation (44 states).
BAIL INVESTIGATION FEES5

For more on bail, see The Marshall Project's Alysia Santo's reporting on the future of the industry. If an offender or ex-offender fails to pay any of this debt, the court will outsource the debt to a private debt collector, and the process of taking the debtor to court, described above, begins all over again.


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/09/23/3704358/debtors-prisons-lawsuits/

“Caging people when they’re too poor to afford to pay court debt…is ubiquitous, it’s happening in all 50 states,” said Alec Karakatsanis, co-founder of Equal Justice Under the Law, which brought a case against Montgomery. There is no hard and fast data on how many towns engage in these practices, nor how many people are jailed on any given day. “But I go around the country…and see it all over,” he noted.

One motivating factor is that municipal courts have become a cash cow in terms of government revenue. “It’s actually very lucrative for cities to do this,” Karakatsanis said. “These policies allow cities to take advantage of the fact that they also control the police force and jails and to extort money out of people.”

His group just filed a lawsuit last week against the New Orleans criminal district court for running a debtors’ prison in which fees are imposed without hearings about people’s ability to pay, despite the fact that 80 percent of defendants qualify as indigent, and people are indefinitely jailed if they fall behind on payments. The money is then used to fund the judges, the prosecutors, and the public defenders, creating potential conflicts of interest and rendering the court system dependent on higher and more frequent fines and fees assessed against defendants. One plaintiff says he was kept in jail for weeks for unpaid debts even though he could have paid had he been allowed to earn the money at his job. Another was told by a collections officer to pay double every time a payment was late.

“These are supposed to be places you can go to seek justice, and instead they’re cash cows,” Karakatsanis said.


I know where Sanders would stand on this (not sure if he has specifically addressed this on his various platforms or not) but I don't feel confident on where HRC stands - and it's not on the side of the poor and indigent.

pnwmom

(110,185 posts)
13. All these lobbying firms have a multitude of clients. No one is responsible for their
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015

lobbyist attorney's other clients.

And she isn't taking money from the private prison industry, as you know.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
14. Really? So they're giving it to her PACs instead? Big Whoop!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 04:06 PM
Dec 2015

Or they can always donate to the Clinton Family Foundation. One hand washes the other.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Well, if it wasn't for Sanders' enabling vote back in the 1990s we might not even have......
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 04:21 PM
Dec 2015

......a "private prison industry". But like many of the other votes he's made on questionable legislation, he's now running away from that vote.

questionseverything

(11,529 posts)
25. yes that was a wrong vote for sanders
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 05:02 PM
Dec 2015

he was supporting the goals of democratic president clinton....he placed too much trust in clinton as many of us did back then

i personally can say the same about the welfare reform bill...it cut the safety net way too aggressively but i foolishly thought when the dems realized what they had done they would fix it

but any faith i had in anything the clintons might say/do has long ago sailed

George II

(67,782 posts)
43. That's not what his explanation was this summer. He said he voted for it because.....
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 07:54 PM
Dec 2015

.....of the Violence Against Women Act.

Same thing with the Brady Bill, he voted AGAINST it because there were things in it that he didn't like. Seems he wants it both ways - he votes FOR a bill because there is something he likes and AGAINST a bill because there is something he doesn't like.

Funny thing, for someone who "never changes" he sure changes his reasons for the way he votes on legislation.

MrChuck

(313 posts)
45. desperation
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:04 PM
Dec 2015

Having reasons for the things we do is usually viewed as a good thing as the alternative is simply doing things without reason.

MrChuck

(313 posts)
70. Ah.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 11:26 PM
Dec 2015

It means that, in my opinion, you're desperately trying to find something wrong or inconsistent upon which to hang your hat when it comes to the Sanders voting record.
Bills in the U.S. are terribly convoluted and unfortunately there is no law which states that legislation must be pure in order to come up for a vote.
Any legislator who hopes to see anything done has had to cast a vote for a good bill with a stinky rider or vote against a bill that carries a tempting rider. It's crummy business but it's not incomprehensible.

George II

(67,782 posts)
71. Sorry, I'm not "desperately" trying anything. I suggest you stick around a little longer.....
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:03 AM
Dec 2015

....before you try making assumptions about others. Unless of course.........

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
87. On some days you ding Bernie for 'not being a real Democrat' today you ding him for
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:37 AM
Dec 2015

voting with the Democrats. In the House, where Bernie sat at the time 188 Democrats voted yes, just 64 voted no. The yes votes included 2/3 of the Black Caucus and all of the leadership of that caucus. In the Senate just two Democrats voted no. The bill was promoted and later signed by Bill Clinton and was promoted and later lauded by Hillary Clinton. Yet is is all Bernie's fault? Seems pretty contrived and forced to look at it that way.
John Kerry, yes, Joe Biden, yes. Boxer? Yes. Ted Kennedy? Yes.

I was paying attention at that time. I gave some energy to opposing the bill along with Rep Maxine Waters, who voted no and was correct to do so. But the support for it was a bipartisan tidal force. Tom Daschel, Yes. Carol Moesley Braun, Yes.

But it was all Bernie's fault. Because George says so. I urge you to enhance your arguments with facts.

George II

(67,782 posts)
96. No, you totally misread or didn't understand the point of my post. The thing is that....
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:58 AM
Dec 2015

....Sanders tries to play both ends - "I didn't vote for something because I don't like some minuscule aspect of it" and then "I voted for it because there was this minuscule aspect of it that I liked". He's got all bases covered, and he's been doing it for more than two decades.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
108. I have argued with you in the past (pope stuff)
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:43 PM
Dec 2015

...but I wanted to take a minute to say that while I have some areas of disagreement with you, I also have a real appreciation for your consistent liberal views. Oh, and you have a lot of patience to put up with people you know to be liars, people who lie in an attempt to damage the reputations of others.

questionseverything

(11,529 posts)
97. my post was my opinion only
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:19 PM
Dec 2015

i stand by it, way too many of us gave the clintons the benefit of the doubt during bill's presidency but hind sight aught to be 20/20 and the consequences of that bad legislation is apparent

George II

(67,782 posts)
102. And yet you're supporting a candidate that voted for that legislation vs. a candidate that didn't.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:41 PM
Dec 2015

questionseverything

(11,529 posts)
105. hc supported the legislation while first lady,she is way more culpable than bernie
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015

bill was quite the ex plainer...he fooled me back then

no more

enough is enough

one good point you do bring up is the huge bills that have terrible crap hidden in them....bills should deal with one subject,get that right and then move to next subject

George II

(67,782 posts)
106. Sanders voted for it, Hillary Clinton didn't - and yet you spin that as....
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:34 PM
Dec 2015

....a positive for Sanders and a negative for Clinton.

uponit7771

(93,469 posts)
118. Great someone admits that Sanders has some judgement votes that he takes 100% responsibility
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:26 PM
Dec 2015

...for

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. The growth of private prisons came about due to the mass incarceration as a result of:
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:06 PM
Dec 2015

....the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, H.R. 3355)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

Sanders voted for that. And just a reminder when people start blaming Hillary Clinton, she wasn't elected to the Senate until ~16 years later.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
88. This link shows the bill's progress and links to all votes, in the House just 64 Democrats
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:43 AM
Dec 2015

voted No, in the Senate just two voted No. Ted Kennedy, yes vote. Biden, Kerry, Boxer, yes votes.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/hr3355

The other poster will not provide a link because that link makes the 'Blame Bernie for this bill' routine looks utterly contrived.

George II

(67,782 posts)
103. Yep...just like the totally fake "Blame Hillary for this bill" routine won't work...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:22 PM
Dec 2015

.....for the "She voted for the Iraq War". Biden and Kerry voted yes too along with a majority of Democrats.

It works both ways.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
37. He did
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 06:39 PM
Dec 2015

But he also has a 78% rating from CURE, which means he's voted consistently otherwise on rehabilitation vs. incarceration.

That's a very unClintonian record there.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
107. This thread is about the soulless fucks Hillary Clinton keeps in her inner circle
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:40 PM
Dec 2015

You'll need to start a different thread on Sanders. We're talking about the subhuman, family-killing garbage Hillary Clinton is in bed with.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
30. SHe "just recently" realized the For Profit Prisons and Mandatory Sentencing are a BAD thing???!!!!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 05:21 PM
Dec 2015

...or did she just "say" she isn't taking money from them because a focus group said it wasn't playing well on TV.



Does she have a Moral Compass, or any guiding principles at all?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
90. This is very true; but, again ...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 09:54 AM
Dec 2015

to fit in on DU these days, one must, first, suspend one's real life experience ... In real life, lawyers take on clients, some "good", others "bad", but none of the client list is a political statement ... it is a job.

But interestingly, looking beyond Capitol Consulting's client list, Sullivan is solid, and long-time working Democrat.

http://www.capitolcounsel.com/team/richard-sullivan/

pnwmom

(110,185 posts)
99. Thanks. Alas, being a well-connected Democrat is the last thing
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 04:36 PM
Dec 2015

that most people here would want to see.

tecelote

(5,155 posts)
36. Do you think that donations are made against your corporation's self interest?
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015


---

HEY! Where's Bernie or Martin in this chart? Oh yeah. Integrity and moral fortitude.

George II

(67,782 posts)
62. "Your corporation"?
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 10:16 PM
Dec 2015

I see that includes "data through July 21, 2105 but it doesn't state how far back it begins.

Do you know where she ran and was elected to the Senate twice? Do you know how many people there work in the "Securities and Investment Industry", aka brokerage firms and banks? Have you ever been down to lower Manhattan?

George II

(67,782 posts)
93. But does that include data from back to her first Senate campaign? Most of those graphs...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 10:51 AM
Dec 2015

...you guys post does include her two NEW YORK campaigns, where most of the American banks and financial institutions are headquartered and have hundreds of thousands of employees - clerks, tellers, data entry people, janitors, food service people, etc.

Sadly the Sanders people dismiss the relevance of hundreds of thousands of lower middle class people (the people they "claim" to want to help) solely because they happen to work for a bank or financial institution.

I had some guy here on DU once insult my sister, who was a bank teller at about $14 an hour, calling her a BANKSTER!!!

Such is the hypocricy of many Sanders supporters - "oh, you mop floors in a bank branch after hours? You're a BANKSTER!"

turbinetree

(26,938 posts)
19. During the next "debate" being held on a DWS weekend .........................
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 04:34 PM
Dec 2015

someone, anyone, should ask Clinton, if she would return all of that moola, I mean someone should stand up in the audience and ask that question to her face, and challenge her ........................




Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2106



 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
21. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 04:41 PM
Dec 2015

If you support Hillary Clinton and you call yourself progressive, you need to have your head examined IMHO!!!!!!

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
22. No Surprise. SHe is and has always been a Corporatist.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 04:54 PM
Dec 2015

I cannot support a creature of wall street.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
23. He got part of this right
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 04:54 PM
Dec 2015
“The reality is, we are a very affluent country, we have loose borders, and we have a bad education system,”


It should have said a very affluent country for a small percentage of our citizenry. Between income inequality and lack of affordable education, and poverty for so many, of course there will be crime. The best thing we can do to minimize crime, is to address those problems, not put more money into prisons that just deal out punishment for falling into a crack.

I'm not at all surprised that Hillary is supporting for-profit prisons. It fits her profile.

Edited to add link to this post in Video group, about how for-profit prisons keep people in jail...through fees they cannot afford just for being in jail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017317414

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
51. i won't bother reading the politico blog
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:31 PM
Dec 2015

but appreciate your dem senators spent weekend with bank energy tobacco lobbyists press release. your statements made it sound as though bernie himself sought out these private meetings. lol.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
56. I don't know which sought the other, Sanders was at the meeting.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:48 PM
Dec 2015

Interesting it was lobbyists from the banking industry.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
80. Here's the Complete List of Attendees..
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:52 AM
Dec 2015

Your Complete List...

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM143_100201_dscc_miami.html

Included on the list...

The Edison Electric Institute - supports climate change regulations;

http://www.eei.org/ourissues/TheEnvironment/Climate/Pages/default.aspx

The National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare (NCPSSM) - is a United States advocacy group whose goal is to protect Social Security and Medicare. NCPSSM works to preserve entitlement programs through direct mail campaigns, candidate endorsements, incumbent ratings, grassroots activity, issue advertising, and campaign contributions.

NCPSSM promotes tax increases as a way to address what it describes as modest long-term issues with Social Security's solvency. The organization opposes Social Security privatization and supports prescription drug benefits in Medicare. Through its political action committee, the organization donates money to support Democratic candidates and to oppose Republican candidates.


The Arthritis Foundation - is a nonprofit organization that is dedicated to addressing the needs of people living with arthritis in the United States. There are more than 50 million adults and 300,000 children living with arthritis, the nation’s leading cause of disability.[1] The Foundation works to provide information and resources, access to care, advancements in science and community connections.

The Arthritis Foundation - publishes the magazine Arthritis Today. Through local offices nationwide, the Foundation sponsors a variety of year-round events to raise funds and create awareness, from local walks and runs to dinners, galas and other affairs.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
112. The lobbyists meeting I was referring was lobbyists from bank, energy
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:14 PM
Dec 2015

And tobacco industries. I am going to read more on the ones in your post, there must be more lobbyists meetings I do nkt know about.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
114. So it is lobbyists, got it, so you are saying lobbyists are low
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:38 PM
Dec 2015

Life scum, even the low life scum lobbyists Sanders hangs out with.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
29. She's trained her supporters to use half of their senses to make sense of the variances, she'll no
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 05:20 PM
Dec 2015

doubt have an explanation .

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
31. This will not affect how she governs 11!!!1!!1111!!!!&$@
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 05:23 PM
Dec 2015

Just like the money from wall street! And the money from the for profit schools industry!! And the money from the insurance companies!!! How dare you imply that these gangsters will want something for their money!!!! You're afraid of a female president!!!!!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
33. Sinister people know no boundaries in creating sinister plots. Just say no, Hillary, just say no!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 06:20 PM
Dec 2015

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
35. Wow!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 06:23 PM
Dec 2015

No wonder they don't want to improve education. It would cut into their prison profits.

.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
38. Damn, Segami, the quote from March made me throw up in my mouth a little
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 06:46 PM
Dec 2015

Absolutely disgusting.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
42. This is one of the most disturbing things I've read in a long time. Absolutely unacceptable
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 07:54 PM
Dec 2015

that any corporation should be so comfortable spewing this shit without anyone from Dem Party leadership calling it out.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
52. Question - Why would she continue to have anything to
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:35 PM
Dec 2015

do with the private prison industry when she says that she believes that we need to quit incarcerating so many people in prisons? For profit makes incarceration desirable. You cannot have it both ways.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
54. absolutely unacceptable
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:45 PM
Dec 2015

we must elect bernie. we must.

thank you, segami. bookmarked for future campaigning.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
61. Tax Money for profit prisons are also the new plantation slave system where the food and housing
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 09:52 PM
Dec 2015

for the slave labor is provided by the taxpayer.

Response to Todays_Illusion (Reply #61)

Eko

(9,808 posts)
63. Oh noes!
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 10:16 PM
Dec 2015

"Tad Devine: campaign adviser for Bernie Sanders. Worked at Winston & Strawn LLP, the law firm that has represented Microsoft, Verizon, Phillip Morris, Pfizer and, my favourite because of the magical effect the name has, MONSANTO! Yes, indeed, Bernie’s advisor worked at a law firm that has represented MONSANTO!"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/26/1463668/-So-You-re-Deeply-Concerned-About-Clinton-s-Connections

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
85. Tad Devine - "One of the Nation's Most Respected..."
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:13 AM
Dec 2015

Tad Devine only worked in one of their offices for two years.

He was recognized as one of "the nation's most respected media consultants" by USA Today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tad_Devine

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
65. ...And people think she will get the AA and Latino vote. Lol.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 10:38 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, I'm sure they will enthusiastically vote for the candidate who locks up their families and neighbors.

Something like the OP will be posted at every bus stop come GE in FL, OH, VA.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
67. "we have a bad education system" is part of the sales pitch
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 11:06 PM
Dec 2015

They have a target rich environment.

"Alas, Babylon!"

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
69. Politically I can't emphasize enough how stupid she was for accepting $$ Let's see who P4P impacts:
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 11:20 PM
Dec 2015

-Displaces Hispanic immigrants

-Destroys Black families and communities

-Undercuts jobs in the blue collar workforce

That's, uh, the votes we ABSOLUTELY need to win.

I thought HRC was supposed to be the most electable, the most politically skilled. So why is she telling the demographics she needs to fuck off?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
92. We know the candidates by who pays their way.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 10:22 AM
Dec 2015

Bernie sanders campaign is funded by We the People.

'Nuf said.

uberblonde

(1,220 posts)
94. Complete nonsense.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:14 AM
Dec 2015

$44K? That's laughable. That's just a plain old CYA contribution. Now go look at Open Secrets to see how much they've given to the Republican candidates.

Some Democrats' willingness to be triggered by such red herrings is disturbing -- not to mention, their seeming inability to stay up on current developments.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/23/3715544/clinton-private-prisons/

Lancero

(3,257 posts)
95. She'll take a harsh stance against them, just like she did Wall Street.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:22 AM
Dec 2015

She believes that Black Lives Matter, which is why she is taking PIC money and making plans to tell them to 'cut it out'.

George II

(67,782 posts)
104. You've got to dig back to July for "news"? This has been hashed and rehashed for almost six months
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:28 PM
Dec 2015
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