Why PUMA References Reflect Poorly on Hillary Rodham Clinton: A History Lesson

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I’ve noticed a lot of HRC supporters refer to Sanders supporters as PUMAs. Well, first, PUMA were nominal Clinton supporters in 2008. I say ‘nominal’ because the undisputed queen of the PUMAs, Darragh Murphy, only donated to McCain prior to that.

Another notable PUMA adds to the irony, Lynn Forrester, Lady de Rothschild, seen here calling a man who grew up on food stamps an elitist, herself the daughter of an aircraft tycoon who married a baron. (The video was uploaded by another notable PUMA, Larry Johnson, best known for the ‘whitey tape’ hoax, but it actually is AC360.)

What am I getting at? PUMA created the smears about Obama, PUMA nominally supported Clinton, but PUMA really supported McCain and thought Clinton was unelectable.

When you remind people of PUMA, what you’re telling me is “Hillary can’t win—vote Hillary!”

(As an aside, the 2008 campaign was when I fell out of love with Ms Clinton, due to the racially-charged nature of the campaign, and not just the PUMAs.)


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/27/1464018/-Why-PUMA-References-Reflect-Poorly-on-HRC-A-History-Lesson

[onehandle]

1. PUMAs are exclusively from the 'Not Hillary' Party.

No, not in real life. Just at Democratic Underground.

[murielm99]

2. Resurrecting this exaggerated crap,

that was hyperbolic and largely untrue, even at the time?

I guess you are running out of memes and ways to call names, scraping the bottom of your hate-well.

[Jarqui]

4. I'm not so sure

The CNN poll said 32% of Clinton supporters would not vote, 54% would vote Obama 10% McCain, 64% would vote

54/64 who vote for Obama would be 84% of those Clinton supporters who vote
10/64 who vote for McCain would be 16% of those Clinton supporters who vote

The exit polls for Clinton supporters who voted broke 83% Obama 16% McCain
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p3

Not far off at all.

Harriet Christian, a PUMA voted for McCain and felt 3,000,000 of the 18,000,000 (16.7%) Puma Clinton supporters would - very close to the exit polls and CNN's poll before.

Lynn Forester de Rothschild of the top video quit the party and joined McCain
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/they-were-hillary-clintons-die-hard-loyalists-heres-where-they-are-now/2015/05/02/82025cf2-e92a-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html

Diane Mantouvalos, another ardent Clinton backer in 2008, .... Mantouvalos said, “I decided I’m done.” She did not vote for Obama.
....
Steve Rosinski, who was living in Los Angeles in 2008 and worked on the campaign doing everything from manning phone banks to planting yard signs, never gave up on Clinton.

He wrote in Clinton’s name in 2008, and even led a write-in effort for 2012.

MONDAY, JUN 23, 2008 07:15 AM EDT
Why Clinton voters say they won’t support Obama
The attack of the PUMAs, or a dozen reasons why Clinton voters are still too angry to come home.
http://www.salon.com/2008/06/23/pumas/

Party Unity, My Ass' - what the Pumas really stand for
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/07/hillaryclinton.barackobama

Hillary Clinton’s 2008 Dead-Enders Fight On
Clinton’s old supporters thrive in an alternate online reality of their own making. Party Unity My Ass.
posted on Oct. 16, 2012, at 1:06 a.m.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/hillary-clintons-2008-dead-enders-fight-on#.qdrkJPDx6

Looks to me like a lot of the top post checks out.

[Thinkingabout]

3. What is the difference in 2016, the names of the candidates.

If Hillary is the nominee are the Sanders who say they are staying home PUMA's?