Live at the Sanders rally in Amherst MA

[brooklynite]

Full crowd at the Fine Arts Center, with outside overflow crowd.

Overwhelmingly White. I see no non-Whites in the crowd, 2-3 on stage.

Primarily millenials and white hairs.

New slogan: "A FUTURE TO BELIEVE IN"

[HerbChestnut]

1. "Overwhelmingly White"

And just when I thought you were being kind and "crossing the isle" so to speak by posting about the Bernie rally.

[brooklynite]

4. I'm not posting it as criticism, I'm describing the crowd.

[HerbChestnut]

5. Right

With a description that just happens to fall into one of the Hillary camp's narratives.

[Peregrine Took]

98. DId anyone request a crowd "description?"

This early in the campaigns, most political rallies are overwhelmingly white.

Wait til Bernie becomes a household name and gets the media exposure he deserves - then see who is attending. Right now its just the political junkies and their cronies.

[riversedge]

100. sure.

[riversedge]

104. brookynite posted a few days ago that he would be attending this rally and providing

some comments. A description of the crowd is part of the report. No need to be so snarky about a DU member attending a rally and reporting on it.

[morningfog]

154. Bullshit. Glad you got your oh so needed attention.

[UglyGreed]

112. Maybe Bernie

should steal a campaign strategy from Clinton and call himself el abuelo or make up a Kwanzaa logo..... never mind my bad, people saw right through that pandering BS and attacked the Clinton camp for doing so......

[djean111]

2. Bwahahahaha! Exactly like I thought you would be reporting........

what a joke.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Are you saying the crowd isn't overwhelmingly white?

The OP is there right now.

Also, other rallies have confirmed the demographics of his supporters.

He has been unable to reach minorities in a meaningful way since he announced his run for president.

[HerbChestnut]

9. See? Falls perfectly into the narrative.

Let's also keep in mind this is in Amherst, which isn't exactly a token example of racial diversity.

[Live and Learn]

29. Maybe you should view the Rose Parade Bernie Coverage

We had lots of minorities marching for Bernie.

[Art_from_Ark]

147. I love the photos of the Bernie supporters

http://photos.pasadenastarnews.com/2016/01/01/photos-2016-rose-parade-bernie-sanders-supporters-march-at-the-end-of-the-parade-2/#5

[SMC22307]

92. What's stopping minorities from getting tickets to learn about Sanders...

or even O'Malley, for that matter? I attended Dean rallies to learn more about him, to hear directly from him... why aren't minorities expected to do the same with Sanders, or any lesser known candidate?

[Live and Learn]

94. A lot of them feel disenfranchized (for good reason) but they are quickly coming around to Bernie.

And I have no idea why they keep saying women and older people aren't for Bernie. That is certainly not true from what I have seen.

[SMC22307]

102. Isn't participating a way to feel less disenfranchised?

Get up off your ass and participate, regardless of skin color.

Sanders addresses voter suppression regularly... are certain folks just not tuning in? Just found this on his website:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/video-audio/voter-suppression

Economic justice and a $15 minimum wage would benefit POC greatly. Are some voters just not paying attention yet?

But, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, expecting an Amherst turnout to look like a DC rally is rather ridiculous. And the OP knows it.

[Cali_Democrat]

106. For some reason he's just not appealing to minorities

Polls consistently show that minorities prefer Hillary over Bernie. He's struggling in states like South Carolina with a heavy African American population.

[SMC22307]

117. So is O'Malley.

Guess black Democratic South Carolinians are going with the name-brand.

[Cali_Democrat]

119. Actually O'Malley is struggling to get any kind of support.

Polls consistently show him in the low single digits among all respondents.

[SMC22307]

120. And that includes AAs. Wonder why his numbers aren't better.

Blinded by name-brand and glitz? Husband being the "first black president"? If the argument against Sanders is that he was an independent until recently, what about O'Malley? Democrat "since birth," Baltimore mayor, Maryland governor... doesn't get much more deep blue Democratic Party than that, eh?

[cannabis_flower]

126. Could that partially be because..

the white corporate media wants someone else to be president?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. Let's not forget

Obama had white people in his audience too

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. So? Amherst's population is mostly white

and it's a college town. So why should we be surprised that there are a lot of young white people in the crowd?

[ladjf]

95. Amherst, 2008: 5.1% black population. nt

[Autumn]

113. Amherst Tuition and Fees‎ ‎run around $50,000 a year. Room and Board‎ another $13-14

thousand per academic year. Not a big surprise on the crowd make up

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

115. But that's just that one school. There are 4 other colleges in the town

as well as about 25K full-time residents. Nevertheless, the town of Amherst is very predominantly white, even if not everybody is rich.

[Autumn]

116. Yep, and there were a few POC in a couple of pics that I saw.

[brooklynite]

8. ...and here we go...

Announcing campaign fundraising totals

[brooklynite]

10. Opening remarks by Carlos Rojas Alvarez

Immigration activist/DREAMer

[TM99]

11. It is bullshit games like these that will insure

I am never voting for Clinton.

Amherst, MA has a population that is 76% white and less than 5% black 6% hispanic.

I am sure you took the time to accurately assess the crowd that was there to share your unbiased opinion about it.

Almost 9 fucking months later and this fucking meme continues - only whites love Sanders.

[brooklynite]

44. Okay, I don't see 11% minorities in the criwd

[TM99]

51. Yeah, your posts

have ensured that very few except for your fellow Clintonites believe you at all.

[Douglas Carpenter]

93. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee and generally support them in the

general election - But, some of her most ardent followers are not making it easy with all their nastiness and vindictiveness. I have not seen such slimy tactics used against other Democrats during the nomination process since 1972.

[TM99]

96. I am an leftist independent.

I always vote. I will vote Sanders. I won't vote Clinton. If she wins the primary, I won't post here voluntarily until after she loses, and we are stuck with Trump.

The nastiness, vindictiveness, and other choice words I wouldn't dare use for fear of a jury pile on has insured that I won't ever vote for Clinton even if she has a fucking D after her name.

[Douglas Carpenter]

99. I want to reiterate that it is only some of the most ardent - not all by any means

People can only be true to themselves and follow their own conscience. But, I will not by default aid and abet the election of Donald Trump or Ted Cruz or any other crazy to be Commander and Chief of the most powerful military empire the world has ever known.

[TM99]

101. If the Democratic Party fucks up with Clinton

there is no one to blame but themselves.

[Douglas Carpenter]

121. that may be true. But it is entirely possible Hillary could win the most primaries

and caucuses and under the current rules that means that she should be the nominee. Of course in 1972 George did exactly that and they tried at the last minute to change the rules and cheat him out of the nomination. They failed but settled for just sabotaging his campaign which the Republicans and CREEP were only too grateful for and went on to do what the Democratic leadership had already started. Would they do the same to the Sanders campaign? I don't know - hopefully they are as scared of Trump and Cruz as we are. Besides, I wouldn't want to engage in such tactics.

Regardless who is to blame - if the devil himself was running against Ted Cruz or Donald Trump - I would support the devil himself. They are just too dangerous.

[cali]

12. As a prudent matter, I don't believe you.

[brooklynite]

13. You don't believe what?

That I'm here? Check my Twitter feed: @ChrisBastianBKL

[Motown_Johnny]

18. Nice pic on your feed. Looks like you have a pretty good seat.

You must have gotten there fairly early.

[SMC22307]

97. You left out blacks in your quote about NYC.

....

"New York is the microcosm of America. It's got rich, and very rich. It's got poor and very poor. It's got Hispanic, Asian, young, old, retirees. Every voter Hillary is going to run into out on the campaign trail."

....

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/hillary-makes-her-case.html

Curious.

[Rex]

114. Not a shocker to anyone that has read the OPs posts over the years.

Then again pretending to be a rich white elitist has been almost as amusing as the various stories the OP creates about themselves etc..

[brooklynite]

122. As far as I recall, I included it; maybe it got lost in her notes.

[SMC22307]

125. Exactly the reply I expected. (n/t)

[morningfog]

155. I don't believe a word you type, you've been caught in so many lies.

No credibility, just hate, poutrage and flamebait.

[brooklynite]

156. If it makes you feel any better...I don't care what you think

I know what my reputation is in the real world; that's good enough for me.

[brooklynite]

14. Now Patty Healy, Nurses Union

[Motown_Johnny]

15. That slogan isn't new

it has been used for months.


Just shows how much coverage his campaign gets.

[brooklynite]

16. Showtime!

[brooklynite]

17. Starting off with economic inequality theme.

[brooklynite]

19. Campaign strategy; resisting SuperPACs

[brooklynite]

20. 2.5 M individual contributions

[brooklynite]

21. More than 400,000 have attended events.

[Motown_Johnny]

22. Here is a live feed, for all who are not there:

http://www.msnbc.com/shift/watch/live-sanders-holds-rally-at-umass-594816579822

[brooklynite]

23. Now talking background...

...and awareness of economic issues.

[Motown_Johnny]

25. Trump supporter. Bwahahaha!

[brooklynite]

24. Trump supporter breaks in...

[brooklynite]

26. Economic situation better than 7 years ago but still a major problem.

[brooklynite]

27. Problem of teenage unemployment

[brooklynite]

28. Pivot to incarceration rate.

[brooklynite]

30. End institutional racism in criminal justice system

[brooklynite]

31. First SO for reducing number of people in jail

[brooklynite]

32. Take a hard look at War on Drugs

[Live and Learn]

33. That is funny, I see people of color there.

Perhaps you are seeing what you want to see.

In fact, you should look at some of the pics you posted on Twitter. There are quite a few in the crowd directly behind Bernie.

And why are you taking up a seat the some minority could have had? Why are you even there? Actually, it is a good thing. Maybe you will actually learn something.

[brooklynite]

38. Not in the crowd behind the cameras

[Live and Learn]

40. Changing the goal posts again?

Sorry, I just can't take your word for it!

[brooklynite]

34. Raise Federal minimim wage to a living wage

[brooklynite]

35. Pay equity for women

[brooklynite]

36. Second SO for support of women's reprodutive rights

[brooklynite]

37. Third SO for raising funding for Planned Parenthood

[brooklynite]

39. Fourth SO for 3 months paid family medical leave

[Live and Learn]

41. Is this a new Hillary supporter tactic? Taking up space at Bernie rallies?

Rather pathetic but hope you learn something from it.

[JonLeibowitz]

43. I appreciate it. At least brooklynite has an open mind.

On the flip side, I know enough about Hillary to never go to a rally or vote for her. Perhaps brooklynite has some doubts.

[Live and Learn]

48. I hope you are right but I seriously doubt he doesn't have an ulterior motive

for being there.

[JonLeibowitz]

49. We will see which is the case shortly..

[brooklynite]

70. Nefarious? Really?

[Live and Learn]

72. In the broad sense of the word - not the criminal sense. nt

[Live and Learn]

79. There, I changed it for you. nt

[brooklynite]

84. ...and what woulf my "ulterior motive" be?

[Live and Learn]

86. Beside taking up a seat and faulty reporting? Waiting to find out. nt

[brooklynite]

123. If the goal is to encourage new support, 3/4 of the people here would have to leave

Almost everyone here is already a supporter.

[Sheepshank]

108. Your last few posts, sound quite petty.

Is that the "look" you are shooting for?

Rallies always have people who are not supporters attending...it's a thing.

[Live and Learn]

124. It's a thing?? Seriously?

Don't you think you are the pot calling the kettle regarding petty posts?

[Sheepshank]

127. Yes, it's a thing

I'm having a hard time believing you couldn't possibly have known that. Surely you are not that naive?

[Live and Learn]

128. I'd call that a big waste of time. Pretty sure Bernie supporters don't engage in it.

Why should we, we can come right here to see the latest Hillary campaign tactics?

I guess you think not engaging in dirty politics is naive. Come to think of it, many here have called Bernie naive. If so, I am in good company.

[Sheepshank]

130. Nothing dirty about it..and if you don't think Bernie supporters...

....attend other rallies, you really are *that* naive.

You seems so angry and uptight. Why not take a warm bath and have a glass of wine...if you are old enough

[Live and Learn]

131. Resorting to personal attacks again. Why am I not surprised?

Bet you can't find any Bernie supporters attending Hillary rallies.

[Sheepshank]

132. Here's a picture for you...

https://mobile.twitter.com/people4bernie/status/668245422746529792

I doubt if the OP was holding up signs at the Bernie rally.

https://mobile.twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/668245422746529792/photo/1

[Live and Learn]

133. Well, I guess there are always a few on any side of the isle.

Still a complete waste of time and no excuse for personal attacks.

[Sheepshank]

134. Live and learn. Nt

[Live and Learn]

135. Always, do you? nt

[Sheepshank]

136. Sometimes I live and inform nt

[Live and Learn]

137. And sometimes you shank sheep? nt

[Sheepshank]

138. Oh dear do you need another lesson? Sheepshank is a sailors knot. Grow up. nt

[Live and Learn]

139. It could have several meanings. Kind of like, 'FEEL THE BERN' could. nt

[Sheepshank]

140. So explain what you meant? nt

[Live and Learn]

141. I did. nt

[Sheepshank]

143. What does "you shank a sheep" mean?

Be brave and explain yourself. You were the one so concerned over insults, and it seems to me you landed a pretty vile one. Explain exactly what you intended that to mean.

[Live and Learn]

149. All I did was ask a question. You chose the name. nt

[Sheepshank]

159. How brave of you to back away from that nasty thought. Next time be more careful what you say. nt

[Live and Learn]

160. I didn't back away from anything.

Did you ever notice that the fly keeps escaping? I love that.

[Sheepshank]

161. Then explain...stop playing coy what did you mean by "you shank sheep"

[Live and Learn]

162. I never said that. nt

[Sheepshank]

163. Look at your own post #137

Your diversions seem quite cowardly. Just explain what you meant when you said that "I shank sheep."...pluck up the courage, quit being so obvious in you avoidance, and just explain yourself. Your constant deferment seems to be the saddest walk back I've ever known anyone to do. Is this how all Sanders supporter defend their own statements, or is this unique to you?

[Live and Learn]

164. It doesn't say that. nt

[brooklynite]

42. Need Federal jobs program

Hire more teachers

[brooklynite]

45. Pivot to trade policies

Opposition to NAFTA and TPP

[brooklynite]

46. Greed snd revkless behavior on Wall Streey

[brooklynite]

47. Fifth SO for reaking up banks

[ljm2002]

50. Amherst, MA demographics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amherst,_Massachusetts#Demographics

As of the 2008 U.S. Census, there were 35,564 people, 9,174 households, and 4,550 families residing in the town. The population density was 1,283.4 people per square mile (485.7/km²). There were 9,427 housing units at an average density of 340.1 per square mile (131.3/km²). The racial makeup of the town was 76.7% White, 5.10% Black or African American, 0.21% Native American, 9.02% Asian, 0.09% Pacific Islander, 2.89% from other races, and 3.35% from two or more races. 6.19% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

[brooklynite]

52. Sixth SO for prosecuting White collar criminals

[brooklynite]

53. Pivot to "corrupt" campaign finance reform

[bluedigger]

54. See anything besides race?

How does the socio-economic status of the crowd compare to the events you usually attend for Hillary?

[brooklynite]

55. I'd say mostly middle class (hard to tell with students)

Probably better than the people at Clinton town halls

[Live and Learn]

56. Improving voter turnout!! Listen to that crowd roar! nt

[brooklynite]

57. SO gor tuition free public college

[Live and Learn]

60. Klingon?

[Tom Rinaldo]

62. Thank you for these report updates

It is appreciated.

[one_voice]

58. I like the slogan.

[Live and Learn]

59. Educated society!! Tuition free public colleges and universities.

[Live and Learn]

61. Trade schools! Yes.

[brooklynite]

63. Discussion of student debt pressure

Allow students to refinane student loans

[Live and Learn]

64. Student debt. Affodable dental care. nt

[brooklynite]

65. Paid for with tax on Wall Street speculation

[brooklynite]

66. Pivot to health care and health costs

[brooklynite]

68. SO for ecpanded health care (Medicare for all)

[Live and Learn]

67. Ouch 20 to 25% of income going to pay student debt. People worried their Social Security will be

garnished to pay for it.

Bernies plan: refinance student debts at lower interest rates. 70 billion cost Paid for by Wall Street speculation tax Wall Streets turn to help the middle class after their bail out.

Nothing we can't accomplish!!!!!

[Live and Learn]

69. Health care - We pay highest prices, spend more and have less coverage than other countries.

Time to move forward.

[brooklynite]

71. On to the environment

[brooklynite]

73. SO for taking on fossil fuel industry

[brooklynite]

74. Pass comprehensive immigration reform

[Live and Learn]

75. Climate change - real and devastating. Need to take on the fossil fuel industry and transform our

energy system to be sustainable and energy efficient.

[Ed Suspicious]

76. This is pathetic. The comment on skin color, that is.

[Live and Learn]

77. 11 Million undocumented in this country. Move them toward path to citizenship.

Unite families not divide families.

[brooklynite]

78. SO for vote against IWR

[zazen]

80. I also thank you for the updates n/t

[Live and Learn]

81. Iraq war - voted against it!!!! Warned of destabilization and that is what happened.

Politicians sending other peoples kids to war. Heavy price of the Iraq War.

[brooklynite]

82. War should be the last resort

[brooklynite]

83. International coalition to fight ISIS.

[Live and Learn]

85. ISIS - must be destroyed but smartly. Learn lessons of war in IRAQ.

International coalition, not alone. Jordan king has taken refugees, said ISIS and terrorism are international issues and it must b the Muslim nations themselves that take it on. Bernie agrees.

[brooklynite]

87. Wrap up: what this campaign is about

Needs help to accomlish change"

[Live and Learn]

88. Wants to accomplish what needs to happen for change, needs our help even

after the election. In this great country we can accomplish health care for all , education for all, change energy systems to save the world for our children, end mass incarceration and income inequality. Political revolution!!!!! We will win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Live and Learn]

89. Wow, did you see all the women in that crowd??? nt

[HerbChestnut]

90. So, brooklynite...

Dare I ask, but have you converted?

[Live and Learn]

91. Hurry outside to the overflow crowd and you will probably catch him

talking to them. Hope you had fun.

[riversedge]

103. Thanks for the running commentary brooklynite. I appreciate it. Have a safe trip home.

[Live and Learn]

105. Why would you need a commentary when it is so easily viewed live? nt

[riversedge]

107. I appreciate brookynite's comments and interest.

[Live and Learn]

129. I am sure you do. Thanks for sharing. nt

[Sheepshank]

109. You've tried very very hard to derail this thread

Fail

[Live and Learn]

118. Nope, just helping out. You are very welcome! nt

[riversedge]

142. Yup. You failed at derailment.

[Live and Learn]

148. Nope, you failed in your observation. nt

[Sheepshank]

110. Thanks for the commentaries

Looks like Bernie has expanded a little on his usual talking points.

[CTyankee]

111. do you have an extra campaign button to spare?

I sure would love to have one...

[Autumn]

144. Overwhelmingly White? take a look at the White in the crowd in these pics

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251971511

A lot of white hairs and kids too young to vote

[brooklynite]

145. I don't recall criticizing Sanders for not drawing a more diverse crowd...

I reported what I observed.

I could also have reported that there was a large American flag on the stage, but I suppose someone might have accused me of suggesting that the campaign was being jingoistic.

[Autumn]

146. I don't recall criticizing Hillary's Town Hall. Like you I simply made observations

and compared what I saw in the pictures to what you saw at Bernie's rally.

Overwhelmingly White. I see no non-Whites in the crowd, 2-3 on stage.

[Armstead]

150. You made the effort to go to the rally just to be snarky and shallow?

Hoookay.

[brooklynite]

151. Where was I snarky is my description of the rally and his comments?

[Armstead]

153. No mention of anything but...

old people and millennials and they're all white except for a few tokens on stage.

Okay, it was gracioius of you to mention an overflow crowd...

But no mention of what he said, not any description of enthusiasm or anything else. Just a dry recitation of the cliches about the "Sanders supporters." That being those crazy youngsters and white old farts (as if there is something wrong with both categories)

[brooklynite]

157. I posted 40 items about what he said.

[Armstead]

158. My apologies...I did a bad thing. Mea culpa

You are correct. I screwed up. I read the OP, the first replies, then kind of assumed the rest of the thread was more of the same, and posted prematurely.

My apologies. Can I use the excuse that it's early in the AM and I hadn't had my first cup of coffee?

[brooklynite]

152. FWIW - this makes 12 of the current 16 candiates that I've seen in person...