LOL...Hillary supporters criticizing Bernie for not raising cash for DNC,state parties! What a joke!

[virtualobserver]

Her "Hillary Victory Fund", should you donate to it......First $2700 goes to Hillary.......the next $33,400 goes to the DNC.....

So, you have to give $36,100 to the "Hillary Victory Fund" before a dime goes to the state parties......then divided equally up to $10000 per state.

But the Hillary Victory Fund is correctly named....because nobody else gets a dime unless they are maxed out to Hillary.

The first $2,700/$5,000 from an individual/multicandidate committee (“PAC”) will be allocated to Hillary for America, designated for the primary election. The next $33,400/$15,000 from an individual/PAC will be allocated to the Democratic National Committee. Additional amounts from an individual/PAC will be split equally among the Democratic state parties from these states up to $10,000/$5,000 per state party: AK, AR, CO, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MA, MI, MN, MS, MO, MT, NV, NH, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, RI, SC, TN, TX, UT, VA, WV, WI, and WY.

[arcane1]

1. To be fair, it's not like they can smear him with honesty. Desperate times!

[Vattel]

52. Don't underestimate them.

[Enthusiast]

60. No lie is big enough.

[nc4bo]

2. DNC didn't seem all that concerned during The Great Tea Party/GOP mid-terms,

where we had our asses handed to us. Still can't figure out why.

HRH worshippers are making a BFD about nothing. I'm sure Sanders will sell himself for the benefit of the party soon enough.

GE down ticket has a better chance of riding on one of the Democratic candidates' coat tails than during any mid-term.



Srry, said this in another post and just felt like saying it again

[virtualobserver]

3. Bernie has very few maxed out donors

This was Hillary's rich friends donating to support the status quo.

[nc4bo]

6. What a racket. nt

[LovingA2andMI]

62. Yep...

Racket!

[Enthusiast]

61. +1! Say it as many times as you want.

[Autumn]

4. $10,000/$5,000 per state party after Hillary and the DNC get their cut?

Very generous there.

[cali]

5. It is a joke.

[MisterP]

7. silly Sanders! you're supposed to fundraise for the DNC, which'll then give you all the money

and leave none for the other candidates!

also any explanation for that list of state parties?

[MattSh]

8. And only 32 states are listed...

Which means the other states get nothing, I presume?

[Eric J in MN]

11. Maybe the Democratic Parties in the other 18 states

Last edited Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:29 PM - Edit history (1)

...didn't fill out the paperwork to coordinate on this.

I can't think of another reason for them to get nothing. Some of the 32 states getting money definitely won't give their electoral votes to the Democratic presidential candidate this year.

[virtualobserver]

9. the 32 state strategy doesn't have a very good ring to it

[haikugal]

103. .

[sufrommich]

10. Didn't Sanders sign a contract agreeing to fund raise

for the DNC?

[cali]

13. Yes, but it's up to the DNC to schedule those events and according to his campaign

they haven't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/02/bernie-sanders-raises-more-than-33-million-in-latest-fundraising-quarter/

[sufrommich]

21. That's a childish excuse,the fundraisers are done according to

the candidates calendar and worked out between the DNC and the candidate. Their excuse is "well no one directed us to do it"?. No one forced Sanders into the agreement,if he didn't want it,he could have passed on it.

[cali]

69. Lol. The vast majority of Hillary's money comes from big money donors.

99.9% of Bernie's donors are small donors. And I provide facts. You? Nothing but personal opinion. And sorry, but that is childish.

[virtualobserver]

22. DWS knows where the millionaires congregate.....at Hillary events.

[riversedge]

14. Yes, both Clinton and Sanders signed on to joint fund raise for the Democrats

[virtualobserver]

15. he will.....of course if he uses Hillary's max herself out first rule, not too many to ask.

Maybe he is waiting for some more to max out.

[elana i am]

12. the democratic CLINTON committee can get bent.

progressives would be better served if sanders fund-raised directly to for progressives and progressive causes, not to some crooked fundraising operation requiring fealty to clinton.

[riversedge]

17. If Sanders believes as you do, then he should not have signed and agreement to joint fund

raise for the Party.

[Plucketeer]

67. Did you READ response #15?

Did you understand it?

[pangaia]

32. I haven't heard 'get bent' in years.

Almost lost it.



The DNC can get bent.

[LovingA2andMI]

64. Yep...

Get Bent Indeed.

[jwirr]

107. It would serve him to make a list of candidates he would

like us to donate to.

[Proserpina]

16. With Hillary, it's ALWAYS about the Benjamins

It's embarrassing, really.

[reACTIONary]

27. With Hilllary it's about getting elected.....

..... the Benjamins are a means to that end. A necessary means -!not optional.

[workinclasszero]

18. So how much did Bernie raise for other democrats?

Oh yeah ZERO.

Nice try at deflection I guess?

[virtualobserver]

20. Hillary raised money from maxed out donors ONLY.

Almost no Bernie donors are maxed out.

[greiner3]

100. That's funny

I was banned from the Hillary group for a LOT less. Just sayin

[tecelote]

19. What's wrong with NM?

Why won't Hillary support us?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[virtualobserver]

24. I don't know.....what did you say to her?

[pangaia]

33. Yea, New York either.

'Sup wit dat?

I mean , we have Niagara Falls, The Erie Canal and duh Mets!

[tecelote]

36. Really?

She was a NY Senator!

I guess she does have a list.

[pangaia]

41. She moved to NY so she could run for a Senate seat in NY.

Could you imagine Bernie Sanders moving to, oh I don't know, Wyoming, to run for a Senate seat?

[tecelote]

55. Yeah.

Bernie is a man of integrity.

[ejbr]

45. But

Wall Street didn't "cut it out" when she told them, so the rest of us suffer.

[Divernan]

97. OMG! Is the whole state on the Clintons' revenge/hit list????

And if she got in the Oval Office, whole countries would make the list as well. It would be a time of endless war and limitless MIC profits.

[CharlotteVale]

23. I wouldn't give a cent to the DNC regardless. I only donate directly to the

candidates I support. And that would be Bernie Sanders.

Besides, if the DNC cares about getting Democrats elected, it shouldn't have a head who has supported Republicans.

[virtualobserver]

25. There would have to be a regime change at the DNC for me to donate.

I don't know if I would trust her AFTER Bernie is nominated.

[Duval]

29. That is what we do!! eom

[Scuba]

99. ^^ This right here ^^

[pnwmom]

26. The Victory Fund is just ONE way she raises money for other Dems.

I am not even close to maxed out, and I get party fundraising emails from Hillary. She has also headlined fundraisers for other Dems, and that has nothing to do with being maxed out on donating to her.

How hard would it be for Bernie to send emails to his supporters, asking for donations to the Senate fundraising committee -- or whatever other party group he thought should have some help?

[sufrommich]

28. It's another lame excuse by the Sanders campaign. nt

[virtualobserver]

31. You and I both know that the money she raised came from her rich, maxed out donors

I get 5 or 6 emails a day from Hillary and her surrogates asking for money for her and her alone.

I get DNC emails from President Obama, his wife, Joe Biden, Terry McAullife, Joaquin Castro etc constantly,

Hillary isn't sending any of those expensive emails to me....she sure as hell knows my email address

[pangaia]

30. The tone-deafness and color-blindness is.......off the charts....

[silvershadow]

34. Time is drawing perilously near. They are pulling out all the stops. Shameful.

There is a clear rot at the DNC. I hope (an expect) they will soon get their comeuppance.

[shenmue]

35. Good luck getting anything done without Democrats in Congress.

[virtualobserver]

38. So Democrats are all about the money, huh......no money...then to hell with the people

is that what you think?

[MeNMyVolt]

39. No, they're about getting elected, which requires money.

Hard to do anything for "The People" when you're sitting on the sidelines out of office.

[virtualobserver]

42. the DNC isn't about getting people elected, not since DWS arrived

DWS chooses Republicans friends over Democrats in Florida.

[MeNMyVolt]

46. I'm not going to defend DWS on much of anything, but I can assure you...

.... no DNC money has gone to Republicans.

[virtualobserver]

51. withholding is as powerful as donating

My problem with the national party as a whole is that they killed the 50 state strategy....

In my district, we didn't even have a Democratic person on the ballot for the house.

[djean111]

53. She has refused to campaign or fund-raise against her GOP buddies.

Her antics are well known, here in Florida. DINO.

[onecaliberal]

44. Considering there are only about 5 or 6 real dems in congress, it doesn't matter.

If they continue passing republican legislation like they have been, I prefer nothing gets done.

[MeNMyVolt]

49. Yeah, no real Dems on the CBC.

Or the CPC, for that matter. Just corporatists.

[MineralMan]

109. Name that 5 or 6 please.

You gave the number. Now, let's see the names. Thanks a bunch.

[ejbr]

47. Haven't you heard?

Hillary has this thing locked up, just as she has most endorsements from Congress. You sound as if Bernie has a chance to pull this off. Nice to hear!

[azurnoir]

65. where was all that in 2014?

[jwirr]

108. You may be correct but it also depends on what kind of

Democrats. Right leaning Democrats will just get us further right. That is not where many of us want to go.

[AzDar]

37. Ugh.

[The empressof all]

40. What ....to support candidates like Debbie and her ilk....No thanks.

Currently I subscribe to the practice of voting for any Democrat over any Republican....however I would rather my money go to candidates that I personally believe in. I will not give money to a party with a corrupt leadership....So looks like I would agree with Bernie on this practice.

[MisterP]

68. DWS got power by choosing Pubs to run as Dems and forbidding any primaries

that little "any Dem is better than any Republican" sort of short-circuits when the Dems ARE Pubs, doesn't it?!

[The empressof all]

84. Boils down to immediate pragmatism

When the House and Senate aren't so damned split current affairs trumps statement vote in the hopes it will sway things left in the long run.... Just the way I look at things....

[Divernan]

98. DNC recruits/funds conservative Dems for primary runs vs. progressive Dems.

PLUS, DNC $$$$ comes with caveats to support/vote for DNC's (Debbie's) policies.

[onecaliberal]

43. I wouldn't give them one red cent.

[Vinca]

48. I'm so relieved. I don't want a dime of my money going to the DNC.

[99Forever]

50. All of my political donations go to the Sanders campaign.

Very lean right now, but things are looking up. The Turd Way brigade, DNC, and anyone who endorsed Clinton before a single primary vote was cast, will never see a single penny from me again. Ever.

[Jack Rabbit]

54. Why should Bernie, of all people, raise cash for the DNC?

That is rich.

Does he get to tell DWS to find more gainful employment first?

[sufrommich]

56. Because he signed a contract agreeing to do

just that.

[winter is coming]

66. Is there any indication he hasn't held to the terms of that agreement? n/t

[Skidmore]

81. Rules aren't for Bernie it seems.

He and his supporters want everyone else to follow rules but exempt themselves.

[tammywammy]

59. He agreed to fundraiser for the DNC

Sanders campaign inks joint fundraising pact with DNC

Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign has signed a joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic National Committee, the DNC confirmed to POLITICO.

The move, which comes more than two months after Hillary Clinton's campaign signed such an agreement in August, will allow Sanders' team to raise up to $33,400 for the committee as well as $2,700 for the campaign from individual donors at events.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559#ixzz3w87NgB8x

[turbinetree]

57. I keep getting the "MATCH" one for three gimmicks..........................

from the DNC and the powers in charge .

And to top it all off we the progressive public get three republican debates for every one democrat debate, just like in fund raising, is it just my imagination or is there a method to the sold out madness.



http://crooksandliars.com/2016/01/if-fl-voters-want-more-what-bush-and-rubio

Like the one from the "EX-Republican" Patrick Murphy in Florida, being backed by Mr. Shumer.
And then they wonder why the "BASE" of the progressive party is upset------------------we are sick and tired of getting TPP, NAFTA, CAFTA, Bankruptcy laws, you name it from the same people that are ("EX"S-------------------DINO"S and Third Way Individuals&quot have done enough damage on top of the republicans coming after us everyday




And I haven't sent one god damn dime to the DNC or anyone that gives me double talk--------------don't they realize that the "New Media" is seeing them for what they are




Honk-------------------for a political revolution it is about getting a "Progressive" U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, State and Local Legislation's


Bernie 2016

[SoapBox]

58. There are only 32 states listed...do the others just have to suck an egg?

And what happened to that DNC Fundraiser in NYC, hosted by Hill and Willie, entertainment by Sting, around December 17th?

Not a WORD about it anyplace.

[tammywammy]

63. She raised $8M at the event with Sting

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/clinton-campaign-raises-8-million-at-manhattan-fundraiser-216925

[drowefnp]

70. Sanders supporters want presidency while rejecting the democratic party

As a democrat I will support whomever wins the democratic primary.

You act as if when Bernie is elected he does not need democratic legislators in Congress to get his agenda passed? Last time I looked the legislative branch of Congress was wholly controlled by Republicans. You think Republicans are going to lift a finger to do anything for a progressive agenda? You are fooling yourselves. Without progressive democrats elected a Bernie Sanders presidency can accomplish little to nothing. His agenda will stall from day one. Just look at the struggles Obama had initially even with democratic majorities in the beginning. Now Republicans have a virtual super-majority in the House.

So you want Bernie elected but without the funding other democratic candidates will need to get elected and get the job done? You want the democratic party to embrace and unite around a self-described democratic socialist as a means to an end to elect ONLY Bernie but not other democrats? If that is the case, then I think Bernie should have run as an independent and all of you who hate the democratic party should follow him on that independent run! But he didn't choose to run as an independent because you and I know he couldn't win as an independent. So is it a self-serving preference to use the democratic party apparatus for to run for president but not work for the democratic party's gain as a whole? I have to say this smacks me as being quite hypocritical and short-sighted.

And by the way, I don't buy the diversionary narrative and excuse that Bernie is not fund raising for the DNC because he has not yet maxed out contributions from his personal donors for his campaign. I don't know why he chose not to concurrently fund raise for both the DNC and his campaign, but the campaign fully capable of fund raising for both his campaign and the DNC if it chooses. I find it interesting that when there is any criticism or complaint of the tactics used by Bernie's campaign, somehow the response by Bernie supporters is to point the finger of blame or accusation at Hillary's campaign (e.g. her fundraising has maxed out with personal so that is why she raised money for the DNC, or, Hillary bears some responsible for the data breach initiated by Bernie's campaign). Answer this question: Does the Sanders campaign believe it has a duty to help get other democrats elected? We need democrats down ticket to get elected along with that democratic president.
I will tell you this, a Sanders presidency cannot be successful without democrats in office behind him. Not seeing that is delusional and irrational.

[MeNMyVolt]

71. Good post.

Edit out your second sentence in the 1st paragraph. Someone may try for a hide on that. Other than that, I agree with much of what you say.

Welcome to DU!

[drowefnp]

72. thank you

thanks

[MeNMyVolt]

74. My pleasure. And I'd like an answer to your excellent question from SBS's campaign.

"Does the Sanders campaign believe it has a duty to help get other democrats elected?" The answer to that is the reason for the great divide on this board. There are a certain subset of SBS's supporters who would answer in the negative. Unless of course said Democrats met their personal definition of a Democrat.

[drowefnp]

83. Can Bernie unite the Democratic party?

I don't know the answer. This very attitude is why we have suffered major losses of seats for democrats in congress and state legislators. We don't show up to vote in off year elections and the result in 2010 and 2014-was a complete routing. We have to be the change we want to see, but we can't quit and become discouraged when the going gets tough. We have to stick with working on those transformational changes not just at the presidential level but at the state and local level. The changes SBS supporters want will not happen without a strong network of democratic supporters and office holders in the trenches. Let's see if we get a dialogue going on how to accomplish what is needed through electing SBS or will we just hear crickets.

[Historic NY]

73. The joke is on you she raised 18 million....she would have 55 million if she didn't share....

that what Democrats do is share.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

105. Not if the bulk of that money came from maxed out (to her) donors. Which I suspect it did.

The can't legally give one more penny to HRC.

[Gman]

75. Looks like a great idea to raise cash for both.

OTOH, Sanders is not a Democrat, refuses to carry the Democrat label in his campaign, rejected running as a Democrat for congress, attacks the Democratic party with a lawsuit over something his campaign caused, yet he uses the party infrastructure without paying for it like its something free and his supporters refuse to donate any money to the party.

So piss on Sanders. He's not a Democrat.

[left-of-center2012]

76. DWS is complaining Bernie isn't funding her?

[KittyWampus]

101. No, she's not complaining. But the fact Sanders couldn't be bothered raising money

for other Democrats to get elected has been reported.

[George II]

77. So? It's made very clear what the terms of contributions are, and yet she still generated....

....more than $18,000,000 for Democrats up and down the ticket.

It's not like that Sanders campaign through ActBlue, which prods contributors to set up recurring monthly contributions and then makes it complicated and tedious to opt out.

By the way, that's how Sanders gets to boast about "2.25M donations" ("shhh, from just 1M donors&quot - they get weekly or monthly donations from poor people who can't make large donations to commit to recurring donations. So anyone who made monthly donations of $10 a month since early this year has now made 8 or 9 donations. That's how Obama's "record" was broken.

[azmom]

82. Donations from poor people?

[rbrnmw]

91. That sounds like some online company

When real player had a recurring payment I tried to opt it was crazy they made it hard to do.

[nc4bo]

78. DNC's winning mid-term strategy.....

No comment from me. Just found all this really interesting to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2010 (Tim Kaine)

Speaking with Bloomberg's Al Hunt in an interview set to air Friday night, Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine said the Democratic losses in the 2010 midterm elections was American voters' way of saying the Democrats should try to be more bipartisan.

"[Republicans are] feeling their oats still in the House. The good news for the American public is, while we didn't like election night, I think the voters clearly were saying, 'Democrats, you can no longer do anything just with Democratic votes,' " Kaine said. "Republicans, you can no longer stand on the sideline. You've got to get in the game and be part of the governing coalition."

In the 2010 midterm elections Democrats lost 63 seats in the House and barely held onto the Senate. Since then, Republicans have interpreted the 2010 gains as a rejection of some of the Democrats' key initiatives, including healthcare reform legislation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2014 (Debbie WS)

Wasserman Schultz got off to a controversial start as DNC Chair.[38] During an appearance on Face the Nation, Wasserman Schultz said, "The Republicans have a plan to end Medicare as we know it. What they would do is they would take the people who are younger than 55 years old today and tell them, 'You know what? You're on your own. Go and find private health insurance in the health-care insurance market. We're going to throw you to the wolves and allow insurance companies to deny you coverage and drop you for pre-existing conditions. We're going to give you X amount of dollars and you figure it out'".[39] Four non-partisan fact-checkers called her claim false.[38] She then came under criticism for her comments on Washington Watch with Roland Martin, in which she said, "You have the Republicans, who want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally—and very transparently—block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote for Democratic candidates than Republican candidates". The next day, she stated that "Jim Crow was the wrong analogy to use".[40]

Wasserman Schultz has also been criticized for what has been termed her "frequent absences" from Congress. In 2011, she missed 62 votes of Congress, placing her 45th of 535 in missing Congressional votes. The bulk of those who missed votes did so due to family circumstances, illness, or the presidential campaign.[41] She has been criticized further for her frequent appearances on MSNBC. Particularly, Dylan Ratigan accused her of coming on his show and just "doing talking points".[42]

In 2012, Wasserman Schultz attempted to get the DNC to pay for her clothing at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, and in 2013, to pay for her attire at the White House Correspondents Dinner.[43]

Many of Obama's advisers have questioned the move to select Wasserman Schultz as his DNC chairwoman, who they feel comes across as too partisan on television. An internal focus study of the popularity of top Obama campaign surrogates ranked Wasserman Schultz at the bottom.[44] In February 2015, Politico, citing unnamed sources, reported that Wasserman Schultz had lined up supporters in 2013 to portray any decision by Barack Obama to replace her as DNC chair as "anti-woman and anti-Semitic".[45]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/08/democrats-election-review_n_6126576.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats are planning an extensive review of what went wrong in the 2014 and 2010 elections, hoping to find ways to translate success in presidential campaigns into future midterm contests.

A party committee will conduct a "top-to-bottom assessment" of the Democrats' performance in recent midterm elections and try to determine why they have struggled to turn out its core voters in nonpresidential elections.

"It's apparent that there are increasingly two separate electorates: a midterm electorate and a presidential electorate. We win one and we don't seem to be able to win the other," said Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who leads the Democratic National Committee, in an interview Saturday. "That is a fundamental dynamic that we have to change."

SNIP

"Our party has a problem," Wasserman Schultz said in a video announcing the project. "We know we're right on the issues. The American people believe in the causes we're fighting for. But the electoral success we have when our presidential nominee is able to make a case to the country as a whole, doesn't translate in other elections. That's why we lost in 2010, and it's why we lost on Tuesday."

[MisterP]

87. the checks are for the same amount and the voters are easy to blame--why should they change anything

[nc4bo]

88. Ya know

it almost seems like some do not want real progress.

I mean it's almost like the Democratic party sabatoges itself.

Things that should make us go hmmmmmmm.

[MisterP]

89. it's a sad and ever-lengthening litany

Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono, Lutrin, Rev. Manuel Sykes, Weiland, Wendy Davis, Grimes

instead they run slackjawed doorknobs and conscience-less panderers like Coakley, Mahoney, Alex Sink, and Mary Burke, literally saying "it's their turn": it's an empty "party of power" that represents nothing but getting into office: at least machine politics rewards those that vote for it

[corkhead]

79. Spot on!

[MrMickeysMom]

80. They have no one to blame but themselves.... As for Bernie's donations....

There's lots more where that came from.

Go pound salt, DWS!

[beam me up scottie]

85. Right?

[rbrnmw]

92. And this says what?

Bernie won't have a magic wand. He needs a Democratic coalition. He needs to help fund some down ticket campaigns, that is how it works. He chose to run under the DNC. He signed an agreement, the onus is on him.

[beam me up scottie]

93. And here comes the straw man.

[rbrnmw]

94. Why do you feel the need to be rude to me?

I was merely pointing that Bernie needed Democrats to get anything done. He agreed to that when he decided to run under the Democratic umbrella.

[beam me up scottie]

95. I wasn't rude, you didn't address my post.

You merely used it to launch talking points about Bernie.

I made no claims about what Bernie does or doesn't need to do.

Sorry if it seemed like I was being rude.

[rbrnmw]

96. No harm it's all good

[azmom]

86. After the way the party has treated

Bernie, I can't say I'm sorry he hasn't raised funds for it.

[mhatrw]

90. Thank God Hillary has 5% of the top 1% her corner!

That 0.05% will definitely put the Democrats over the top!

[orpupilofnature57]

102. Still no clash on issues, he doesn't call the DNC a usurping vacuum, ran by Debbie for Hillary .

i do

[Gothmog]

104. I keep asking how Sanders is a viable candidate in the general election

The OP demonstrates why Sanders will not be able to compete in a general election campaign where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate may be spending another billion dollars. The eventual nominee has to be able to raise a great deal of money including money for the party and other groups.

I am so very very glad that Hillary Clinton is already raising money for the general election and for the party. Without this type of support, there is no way that a candidate will be viable in the general election.

[virtualobserver]

106. that money is worthless.....just ask Jeb