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Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:28 PM Jan 2016

New Hampshire is Excited for Bernie!

Here's some sites and sounds from Bernie's excursion throughout New Hampshire today:

Londonderry



(This was billed as a "roundtable." Not sure if that happened first and then he went out to see the crowd, but this is more of a town hall than a roundtable.)

New Market







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New Hampshire is Excited for Bernie! (Original Post) Fawke Em Jan 2016 OP
K&R nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #1
Almost 20% of less than 1% of America! onehandle Jan 2016 #2
He draws larger crowds that Hillary. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #3
So did Ralph Nader. onehandle Jan 2016 #4
A few times, but not the 20-30+ rallies that Bernie does. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #6
Yes but here's the difference... George II Jan 2016 #19
LOL! merrily Jan 2016 #20
That does deserve a LOL! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #58
Of course. I don't just post LOL willy nilly, ya know! merrily Jan 2016 #59
Maybe she listens because no one wants to hear what JDPriestly Jan 2016 #21
Bernie's stance is pretty clear on most issues. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #22
He has no interest in what his attendees think or have to say. George II Jan 2016 #24
I would like an answer to my first and second question. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #32
Three day member and you're already demanding answers? Hah! George II Jan 2016 #35
I'm the person who... PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #42
Start your own thread on those two issues and perhaps I'll answer. The topic is.... George II Jan 2016 #62
I'd like an answer too... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #61
THat's what I would say too.... concreteblue Jan 2016 #72
So now having a discussion is "demanding answers"? cui bono Jan 2016 #85
Your post was alerted upon, and here are the results: CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #110
omgz... LOL! Thanks for posting. cui bono Jan 2016 #112
I thought you'd want to know. And I hear you! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #113
You don't know the man. The Wielding Truth Jan 2016 #33
Sorry, George - gotta call BS on this one with all due respect. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #76
K and R This Puppy! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #102
Evidence of this? cui bono Jan 2016 #84
on my god, George 2, that made me laugh aloud. thank you roguevalley Jan 2016 #23
He takes questions all the time. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #40
Not at any of the events you listed, but I wouldn't expect you to know that. George II Jan 2016 #41
Another rude post. Making Hillary proud! cui bono Jan 2016 #86
Did you see the post that I responded to? What's rude about mine compared to that? George II Jan 2016 #87
You came into a Bernie thread as a Hillary supporter just to be rude. cui bono Jan 2016 #89
You still haven't told us what I said that was "rude". Care to? George II Jan 2016 #90
Who is us? Pick a post by you. How about that other one I responded to where you picked on a newbie? cui bono Jan 2016 #91
"Us" meaning me and everyone else reading this thread in which you made you "accusation". George II Jan 2016 #93
So what specifically was "rude"? George II Jan 2016 #94
Okay, so you don't understand what rudeness is. cui bono Jan 2016 #95
Apparently you don't since you like saying other are, but can't say how. George II Jan 2016 #96
I know you are trying to prod me into a hide so I'm not going to link to anything. cui bono Jan 2016 #98
Me? You're the one stalking me this afternoon. You make unspecific "accusations" about me.... George II Jan 2016 #99
I laid it out but I guess you didn't bother to read my post. cui bono Jan 2016 #103
The OP was posted on Sunday, I responded in this thread on Sunday. All of a sudden yesterday... George II Jan 2016 #115
Not Good Enough, George II!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #116
The posts are there, you can see them, and you know it. And you STILL can't say how I was "rude". George II Jan 2016 #117
Not Good Enough, George II!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #118
This lurker maggies farm Jan 2016 #100
Clinton not been able to draw large crowds in Iowa... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #45
Clinton Iowa 12/12 Paulie Jan 2016 #55
Nice spin, George. But floriduck Jan 2016 #66
He knows what all those people at his "rallies" want? If that's his thinking..... George II Jan 2016 #68
His supporters know his agenda because it has been consistent, floriduck Jan 2016 #69
Yes, they know that he's against the Brady Bill and is in favor of protecting gun mfrs. George II Jan 2016 #70
You're a crack up! floriduck Jan 2016 #73
He voted against the Brady bill because it was Federal-based. Bernie Karma13612 Jan 2016 #105
He has a cute, convenient, and obscure reason why he voted for or against any legislation.... George II Jan 2016 #114
Are you voting in this election? Karma13612 Jan 2016 #119
she listens to a carefully selected, hand-crafted audience, no doubt Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #77
Yawn................... George II Jan 2016 #78
The first time I saw that Hillary logo Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #111
I don't say this to take away from a good showing in Amherst, BUT.... MADem Jan 2016 #49
But that's all part of it. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #60
Hillary has move votes: draws more support lewebley3 Jan 2016 #75
Does it earn your candidate votes when you make fun of another candidate's supporters? Punkingal Jan 2016 #12
So, just where did anyone "make fun of another candidate's supporters?" ? George II Jan 2016 #34
Don't believe I asked you a question. Punkingal Jan 2016 #43
You asked an accusatory question (with a false premise) on a open forum. Deal with it. George II Jan 2016 #71
Calm down, George - sounding a bit peevish and short-tempered there, Divernan Jan 2016 #81
The way the polls are today, if he "wins" New Hampshire he'll get 12 delegates to Clinton's 12 George II Jan 2016 #16
At this stage its about momentum and press narrative, not delegates. Kentonio Jan 2016 #48
Come on. senz Jan 2016 #29
Petty much? rynestonecowboy Jan 2016 #31
America is excited about Hillary lewebley3 Jan 2016 #79
And it's Bernie supporters who are supposedly mean and nasty. cui bono Jan 2016 #83
Yes she is doing bec Jan 2016 #88
way to crap on a positive post having nothing to do with your candidate restorefreedom Jan 2016 #108
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #5
Gonna be an interesting next few months. TDale313 Jan 2016 #7
I bet they try. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #11
They have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo TDale313 Jan 2016 #15
You got that right! SoapBox Jan 2016 #65
That's because.... PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #26
I left journalism after I divorced my son's father. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #37
Brilliant. senz Jan 2016 #28
Needed to add separately. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #36
Things are starting to change in Iowa for Bernie CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #46
Your posts are always appreciated. PotatoChip Jan 2016 #82
Yes! FuzzyRabbit Jan 2016 #13
Because they're owned by them. eom Fawke Em Jan 2016 #39
It's going to be an interesting dilemma. winter is coming Jan 2016 #14
56 days until the primary is over. onehandle Jan 2016 #27
Goes well with the image in your sig line. senz Jan 2016 #38
Oh look at that... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #47
Clinton won New Hampshire in 2008. brooklynite Jan 2016 #54
K&R Paka Jan 2016 #8
thank you!! and yes Fawke Em!!!! wendylaroux Jan 2016 #9
K&R!!!! Phlem Jan 2016 #10
K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #17
K&R - Beautiful! senz Jan 2016 #18
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #25
K&R...thank you Fawke Em.. nenagh Jan 2016 #30
Kick azmom Jan 2016 #44
Here's the thing, billionaires only get 1 vote each. We, The People can turn out and elect Bernie peacebird Jan 2016 #50
We Don't Need No Super PACS... Bernie Sanders HAS OUR BACKS! MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #51
K and R (nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #52
K&R! Mbrow Jan 2016 #53
Knowing what a "roundtable" gathering usually looks like Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #56
And they do all that in the middle of freezing cold winter in NH! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #74
And the 300 people who marched 6 miles after meeting up at 7am on NEW YEAR'S DAY cui bono Jan 2016 #97
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #57
It is happening Babel_17 Jan 2016 #63
Go Bernie Go! SoapBox Jan 2016 #64
K & R AzDar Jan 2016 #67
K&R For Bernie! LongTomH Jan 2016 #80
"Bernie Sanders Has Our Back. We Don't Need No Super PAC." gordyfl Jan 2016 #92
Live free is the operative concept, I'm from NY and I LOVE him and what he stands for !!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #101
I was at the Londonderry one Tab Jan 2016 #104
"Bern doesn't seem to be burning out, he's just more fired up." winter is coming Jan 2016 #106
I lived in Burlington when he was mayor there Tab Jan 2016 #107
great photos! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #109

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. A few times, but not the 20-30+ rallies that Bernie does.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

Sorry - we're past Ron Paul's and Nader's handful of Super Rallies. They had a few, but Bernie is consistently over-filling every location at which he appears.

That meme died a month or two back.

I'm sorry your candidate can't seem to drum up as much support and, trust me, if folks are willing to stand out in the cold overflow areas and listen to him, they'll be willing to get out and vote for him.



Amherst, MA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251963524


Bernie
2000 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Dubuque, Iowa (12/12) Overflow crowd Source: Radio Iowa
1500 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Waterloo, Iowa (12/12) Standing-room only. Source: Waterloo Courier
1125 attendees--Sanders Town Hall in Mt. Vernon, Iowa (12/13)

Clinton
200 attendees--"Fighting for Us" Town Hall in Ft. Dodge, Iowa (12/4) Source: ABC News
350 attendees--"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Waterloo, Iowa (12/9) Source: Waterloo Courier
250 attendees_"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Urbandale Iowa (12/9) Source: Radio Iowa

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Yes but here's the difference...
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie

2000 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Dubuque, Iowa (12/12) Overflow crowd Source: Radio Iowa
STUMP SPEECH, ZERO QUESTIONS
1500 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Waterloo, Iowa (12/12) Standing-room only. Source: Waterloo Courier
STUMP SPEECH, ZERO QUESTIONS
1125 attendees--Sanders Town Hall in Mt. Vernon, Iowa (12/13)
STUMP SPEECH, ZERO QUESTIONS

Clinton

200 attendees--"Fighting for Us" Town Hall in Ft. Dodge, Iowa (12/4) Source: ABC News
OPEN FORUM TOWN HALL
350 attendees--"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Waterloo, Iowa (12/9) Source: Waterloo Courier
OPEN FORUM TOWN HALL
250 attendees_"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Urbandale Iowa (12/9) Source: Radio Iowa
OPEN FORUM TOWN HALL

He lectures, she listens

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
21. Maybe she listens because no one wants to hear what
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jan 2016

she has to say. Or should I correct that? Very few want to listen to her, so she holds listening sessions.

It's all the more amazing that people come out to hear Bernie speak when he is giving a real speech and not holding listening sessions.

That so many want to listen to Bernie is a signal that he is more charismatic than Hillary, more loved.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
22. Bernie's stance is pretty clear on most issues.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

So why do we need to ask questions? Meanwhile, what do Hillary and O'Malley have in mind when they say "Debt free tuition"? There's a question there I want elaborated on. How does her plan differ from Glass-Stegal and what makes it better? I don't think we've received a satisfactory response on that or else it would've been posted already.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
32. I would like an answer to my first and second question.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:32 AM
Jan 2016

Can you tell me what Hillary and O'Malley mean by "Debt-free tuition"? Does it mean I'll be taxed at 3% like in Oregon or does it mean something else? How about her financial reform plan?

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
42. I'm the person who...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:48 AM
Jan 2016

Will be traveling to Washington two weeks after the inauguration of whichever Democrat wins the primary and general election and hopefully march on Washington. I hope to see all of you there, both Hillary and Bernie supporters, to march on Washington and make sure we have real reforms. I want to see numbers comparable to MLK's march along with necessary accommodation for when the hotels are filled(with the "March On Washington" under MLK people opened up their homes to marchers to make the numbers possible). I have a post on it but didn't feel like it belonged in primaries since it would be past that time and we'd be supporting whoever won the nom. so it's in general.

George II

(67,782 posts)
62. Start your own thread on those two issues and perhaps I'll answer. The topic is....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jan 2016

"New Hampshire is excited for Bernie".

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
85. So now having a discussion is "demanding answers"?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

Geezus. You Hillary supporters are super mean and nasty. And bitter. And you guys have the nerve to complain about Bernie supporters.

tsk tsk.

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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,611 posts)
110. Your post was alerted upon, and here are the results:
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

On Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So now having a discussion is "demanding answers"?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=973468

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack and just gratuitous hostility. Super mean, nasty and bitter is really over the top

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:20 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: This response is hostile (while responding to a hostile post, true.)
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: See nothing wrong with this comment. nt
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Explanation: Over the top? It's only just begun! Does not meet criteria to be hidden. Remember...this is a community!
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Explanation: This post is over the top? Hardly. Leave it alone.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was Juror #7.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
112. omgz... LOL! Thanks for posting.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:27 AM
Jan 2016

How many hundreds of posts have said that B supporters are mean and nasty?

Sheesh.

And sheesh to me too. I really need to just start using the ignore function so I don't get sucked into the stupid. It's not becoming to me either.

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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,611 posts)
113. I thought you'd want to know. And I hear you!
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jan 2016

It's so hard not to get sucked into these fights. I am posting way less to avoid them, and that's not good either.

Hang in there!

PatrickforO

(14,572 posts)
76. Sorry, George - gotta call BS on this one with all due respect.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jan 2016

Each plank in Bernie's platform is supported by at least 51% of Americans according to national surveys conducted by a variety of pollsters over at least five years' time. To me, that says that Bernie listened to us just fine, and his 40 year track record of being for these things shows me that what's in his heart is what most Americans want.

As opposed to your candidate who hasn't stated several positions until she was SURE what the polls and focus groups said. Like her stance on TPP - laughable, considering she helped write the damn thing when she was SoS. If you don't believe me, check out her speech to the NY Economic Club in 2011 where she BRAGS about her 'economic statecraft':

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2011/10/20111014172924su0.9650494.html



cui bono

(19,926 posts)
86. Another rude post. Making Hillary proud!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

I hope you never dare say that Bernie supporters of behaving as you are.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
87. Did you see the post that I responded to? What's rude about mine compared to that?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

Are you today's "designated hitter"?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
89. You came into a Bernie thread as a Hillary supporter just to be rude.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jan 2016

If not, then what are you hoping to accomplish with these rude posts?

Are you today's "designated hitter"?

Designated hitter? Huh? I don't play politics as a team sport. It's about policy to me, not teams.

.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
91. Who is us? Pick a post by you. How about that other one I responded to where you picked on a newbie?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

Everyone can see how rude you are being and many have commented on it. You can do yourself a favor by apologizing and deleting. Or you can leave it and let everyone see how rude Hillary supporters are. That's fine too.

But I certainly hope you don't complain about rudeness, especially if you are trying to paint Bernie supporters as such.

It's also quite telling that you are responding to these posts about your rudeness but have yet to provide evidence of a claim you made about Sanders even though you have had more than one request for it.

Priorities, George, priorities. On DU policy should be a priority, not rude retorts and character assassination. Oh, and alert stalking or plotting.

.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
95. Okay, so you don't understand what rudeness is.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

mmmkay... gonna keep that in mind if I see you complaining about Bernie supporters.



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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
98. I know you are trying to prod me into a hide so I'm not going to link to anything.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jan 2016

I've read on some hate site that you like to prod people and then alert on them. In fact I saw a screenshot of you saying that about cali. Don't ask for a link, you're not worth getting a hide over.

But there was a post where you refused to answer a couple of questions and stated that the person asking was a newbie and was demanding answers so you refused to continue the discussion, you just accused them of being new and demanding. That is a clear example. If you don't see it then I can't help you.

There's several more posts of yours that are rude. Just read the thread and pay close attention to your posts and read the responses to them. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about, it's plain as day. Several have commented it, some using the terms "petty", "peevish and short-tempered".

If that's how you want to come off and how you want to represent Hillary, have at it!

.

George II

(67,782 posts)
99. Me? You're the one stalking me this afternoon. You make unspecific "accusations" about me....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

....and my posts out of nowhere, then play games avoiding exactly what you're "accusing".

The rest is all blah blah blah.

Funny how that works....."methinks thou dost protest too much".

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
103. I laid it out but I guess you didn't bother to read my post.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jan 2016

Go ahead and read it, you'll get your answer.

.

George II

(67,782 posts)
115. The OP was posted on Sunday, I responded in this thread on Sunday. All of a sudden yesterday...
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jan 2016

...you showed up and responded to each and every one of my posts here, including one that was a response to someone else.

And you're not "stalking" me?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
116. Not Good Enough, George II!!!
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:02 PM - Edit history (1)

But you are doing a great job of kicking this thread! Is this really how you want to represent and support Hillary? Barging into a celebration thread about Bernie with nothing but the intent to disrupt and then harassing people and falsely accusing them of stalking?

This could end if you really wanted the answer you requested because I gave it to you posts ago. Here, read this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=973876

I even pointed you to that same post here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=974203

But rather than read my posts and check and see how many other people commented on your bad attitude in this OP you have now switched to falsely accusing me of stalking. As I said, I know you are trying to prod me into a hide. Why are you not asking all the other people who commented on your rudeness what was rude about it? Why did you single me out? Are you stalking me?

Oh hell, while I'm at it, a quick glance shows that you are completely incorrect when you say, and I quote:

you showed up and responded to each and every one of my posts here

Show me where I did that. You don't have to link to my posts, you can link to yours, then there's no call out and you can't get a hide. But you have to link to every single post you made on Sunday.

.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
118. Not Good Enough, George II!!!
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Are you going to keep saying I didn't answer you until I have to post 100 links to the original post of mine where I already answered you and all the posts where I then direct you to that post over and over again because you want to continue to falsely claim that I never answered you?

What do you hope to accomplish by continuing to disrupt a positive Bernie thread? Is this really the best way for you to represent/support Hillary?

And do you even grasp the irony of this last post? Claiming I didn't give you an answer while at the exact same time refusing to provide me with one? Did you see this OP? You should read the whole thing, you might find it enlightening.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027498560

btw... nice sig line.

.

 

maggies farm

(79 posts)
100. This lurker
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jan 2016

says you are tiresome. I have been here more than 3 days. Lurked longer than having an account too.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
45. Clinton not been able to draw large crowds in Iowa...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jan 2016

during her standard "Fighting For Us" Town Halls.

Bernie has been drawing 2000+ crowds. Local field organizers in Des Moines told me that 4,000 people RSVPd for his New Year's Eve party in downtown Des Moines. Four times the capacity of the ballroom. Another ballroom had to be used and there were supporters spilling out into the hallways.

Both Clinton and Sanders are busy in Iowa doing these rallies. Each has their own style.

However, Clinton is just not attracting the numbers that Bernie is.

Quite possibly those numbers will change very soon---as caucus season is about to really heat up.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
66. Nice spin, George. But
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jan 2016

the real difference is Bernie knows the answers and his supporters trust him. Hill needs the questions to make sure she's taken the right position on the issues. More like an adult versus a young child.

George II

(67,782 posts)
68. He knows what all those people at his "rallies" want? If that's his thinking.....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jan 2016

...that's mighty smug and presumptuous.

Remember, a candidate/public servant is there to do what the PEOPLE want, not what he wants.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
69. His supporters know his agenda because it has been consistent,
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jan 2016

unlike some other candidates. The reason for his large crowds is because his supporters like and want to hear him. Nothing presumptuous about it. If Hill had a constant message the middle class liked, she might get more than a few hundred people at her rallies.

George II

(67,782 posts)
70. Yes, they know that he's against the Brady Bill and is in favor of protecting gun mfrs.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jan 2016

Not exactly "progressive" positions.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
105. He voted against the Brady bill because it was Federal-based. Bernie
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

felt the law should be handled at a state level reflective of the individual state needs and particular gun use patterns (rural versus urban, hunters, etc).

His vote against suing gun manufacturers was based on the simple logic that:

Would you sue Stanley (the Hammer maker) if someone used one of their hammers to bludgeon someone to death?? No

So, why sue the gun manufacturer if someone murders someone with a gun? How about suing the maker of a car, or Henckel's cutlery?

George II, it's obvious you don't prefer Bernie Sanders. I respect that, but using such silly points to find fault is just that, silly.

By the way, I notice the Canadian flag on your posts. Are you a Canadian living in the US? Will you actually be voting in this Presidential election or are you just interested in American politics from a spectator role?

Just curious.

George II

(67,782 posts)
114. He has a cute, convenient, and obscure reason why he voted for or against any legislation....
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jan 2016

...that comes back to bite him later.

He voted against the Brady Bill. Period.

He voted for the Crime Bill that included strict sentences for drug law violations. Period.

He can't run from them now.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
111. The first time I saw that Hillary logo
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jan 2016

with the gold arrow and the champagne flute, I thought 1%, and next to it, " Oh the irony!"

The irony, indeed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. I don't say this to take away from a good showing in Amherst, BUT....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:35 AM
Jan 2016

If he didn't get a good crowd there, he would do well to head north and just go home.

Amherst is the home of the University of Massachusetts 'mother campus,' with nearly thirty THOUSAND students. It's also the home of Amherst college, which has a good reputation, and Hampshire College (an "apply and you get in" school like that one up in Burlington) and those two add another three thousand or so students to the general population. Mount Holyoke and Smith Colleges are also nearby--that's nearly five grand more of a "captive audience" of students in the Pioneer Valley with not much else to do.

Also, he came to town on the weekend that everyone returns from winter break--everyone's looking for something to do to get back into the swing of things after the holidays.

I'm not saying that people who showed up didn't want to see him--of course they did. But his timing was good with this stop. He did the same thing when he went to Boston--he got there in early October, when kids were just starting to find their groove after a summer off.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
12. Does it earn your candidate votes when you make fun of another candidate's supporters?
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jan 2016

I don't think so.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
81. Calm down, George - sounding a bit peevish and short-tempered there,
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jan 2016

instead of your usual sunny self!

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
7. Gonna be an interesting next few months.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

I think Bernie's gonna surprise people (in a good way) in Iowa and New Hampshire. Can the media continue the Bernie blackout if he actually wins the first two contests?

Go Bernie!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
11. I bet they try.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jan 2016

Wonder how they're feeling in their boardrooms knowing that social media is end-running them?

I could understand when he first threw his hat in the ring and was polling at 5 percent why they didn't cover him. But, being a former reporter, myself, I don't get how they can't see the story potential in how social media was used to spread the word and that word translated into big rallies and those big rallies have translated into his leading in New Hampshire and running neck-and-neck in Iowa.

I always thought "rags to riches" or "nothing to something"-type stories were great fodder. Hell, I was taught that in J-School. Those stories are almost as popular as crime stories. That's how I know the blackout is on purpose. In any other circumstance, his meteoric rise in the polls and in fund-raising would be all the talking heads would talk about.

If Bernie wins both NH and Iowa, we can finally start crowing that the M$M is dead. They are no more relevant than rooftop TV antennas.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
15. They have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie's policies are a threat to that. If he actually starts to look like he could win the nomination, I expect the (hopefully metaphorical) knives to be out.

First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win

We're mostly in the first two stages with some signs of the third. Expect the fight to get stronger when we start to make more progress.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
65. You got that right!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jan 2016

The Entrenched Establishment of both parties are starting to squirm.

They are very rich, controlling and think they own it all...

Finally, we're gonna change that.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
26. That's because....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jan 2016

you're a real reporter.

I mean have you ever heard the AP News feed on Sirius Left? It's complete garbage, a bunch of non-political nonsense they report on and that's the AP feed! I could be wrong, it's been a long while since I've listened to it but every time I'm left disgusted. When I listen to a political channel I want to hear important stuff, not some nonsense about a celebrity.
Anyway, all that nonsense is what news has been distilled down to on Cable. There's a reason why I don't watch CNN or any of the other news networks on Cable for the most part...I don't care to hear about stuff like the missing airliner, Terry Shiavo or Natalie Holloway. The first was fine when they first reported it but putting up 24/7 coverage on it?! I feel less inclined to hear about whether a woman is in a coma or not and she should have life support prolonged.
However, that continuing coverage is ratings gold without pissing off advertisers.
I know, if I want to do get a degree and do Journalism and make a fine living I have two options...1.Do a ton of research, write a book on an important subject, do the rounds on the talk show circuit pushing it like Jeremy Scahill, Max Blumenthal and others have been done. At that point I've established myself as a brand for a journalist and can demand better pay to make a suitable living. 2.Have a side career that subsidizes my journalism, like selling music, directing films or writing stories.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
37. I left journalism after I divorced my son's father.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jan 2016

I couldn't work the crazy hours for low pay and raise a child by myself.

I'm in PR and marketing, now. Still using my Communications degree, though. That's a rarity these days! LOL.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
28. Brilliant.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

If you have the time, energy, etc., I think this could grow into a significant article for one of the major online publications. Hope you'll follow up on it.

You have so much talent, Fawke Em, and you can do a lot of good with it.

(But if it's just too much right now, you've done just fine sharing it with us and the many lurkers.)





PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
36. Needed to add separately.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jan 2016

Because they don't want to lose their relevance/power as Gatekeepers. I said it once in another thread and I'll say it here again, the Mainstream Media wants news shows like "Democracy Now" dead and channels like FSTV dead as well. The same goes for "The Young Turks". They want Glenn Greenwald, Naomi Klein and others blacklisted.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
46. Things are starting to change in Iowa for Bernie
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jan 2016

I've been watching Iowa media very closely since the summer (I live in Iowa).

Bernie has been pretty much blacked out. I knew that his rally numbers were in the 2000+ range, because I spoke with people who attended. I could not find anything on his Dubuque rally or on his other rallies in Waterloo that drew 1,500+ supporters. Clinton's rallies were only drawing on average 200 people.

Here's video from a Clinton Ft. Dodge rally. Low attendance and you can see that the back rows of chairs are not filled.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/supporters-rally-hillary-clinton-iowa-town-hall-35588843

It's debatable what rally attendance means and if that translates into more caucus supporters for Sanders. Setting that aside, it is apparent that Sanders is drawing large, enthusiastic crowds and Clinton, in general, is not. Isn't that interesting?

I also noticed that Hillary had pool reporters from Politico, ABC, CBS, NYTimes and other outlets following her campaign and reporting Stories. Sanders had no one. I could barely find an article on him in the Des Moines Register. When they did cover his Waterloo events, they didn't report on his crowd numbers. All was downplayed.

I've noticed a shift in the last week or so in Iowa. He's got pool reporters with him now during his campaign events. The Des Moines Register has a reporter covering Bernie and his events. Jennifer Jacobs has been covering all of Hillary's events for the Register since early fall.

I noticed more articles about Bernie in local Iowa media and some are also starting to sprout from national outlets.

Although Bernie's blackout was worse than what Obama experienced in 2008, I can tell you that the media scales were definitely tipped in favor of Hillary in 2008. She was "inevitable" and was touted as such in the Des Moines Register and in other Iowa broadcast and print outlets. She had more coverage than Obama. As Obama's crowds and enthusiasm grew, it was as if all bets were off and the media just began covering him. I see the same thing with Sanders. His crowds and the excitement for him is a great story. Reporters are going to be all over the state, and they are looking for cool stories.

They'll be reporting on Bernie.

Like it or not--Hillary gets the blackouts she wants in the beginning phases of the caucus. I've witnessed this happen in 2008 and now in 2016. However, during the last month before the caucuses, the reporters just start doing their jobs and reporting on the cool stuff happening. They'll be reporting on Bernie quite a bit.

He's got great optics with those large crowds That won't be hidden any longer. Not in Iowa anyway. And that's important because the coverage can help him win the caucuses.

My 2 cents.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
82. Your posts are always appreciated.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jan 2016

It's hard to know what is going on in Iowa due to the media blackout. That is why it is great to hear your perspective as a resident of such an important primary state.

Thanks for the update!

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
13. Yes!
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jan 2016

They will ignore him until he wins the election. All the large news organizations in this country (TV, radio, newspapers, magazines) are propaganda organizations, dedicated to promoting the point of view of the 1%.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
14. It's going to be an interesting dilemma.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jan 2016

How little can they report on Bernie without making it obvious to the most casual observer that their coverage is skewed?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
27. 56 days until the primary is over.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jan 2016

On Super Tuesday Hillary will have an insurmountable number of delegates.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
38. Goes well with the image in your sig line.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:43 AM
Jan 2016

Doesn't matter what the people want, right? Who are "the "people" anyway? They don't count, do they?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
47. Oh look at that...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jan 2016

...the cart is in front of the horse.

And the horse has a bumper sticker on its ass that reads, "Just like in 2008!"

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
50. Here's the thing, billionaires only get 1 vote each. We, The People can turn out and elect Bernie
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jan 2016

All those Super Delegates are not going to select Hillary over the popular vote in their states, they will turn to support the candidate who has the electorate.

Bernie Sanders energizes people, and the Hillary folk here are simply reacting badly to a case of deja vu.
Even with the major media & the power of the DNC doing their level best to hand her the nomination, Bernie keeps rising. More individual donations than any presidential candidate in history. Bringing in almost as much as Hillary even without her billionaires. And, he has so many of us donating small amounts that he can come back to us for more again and again!

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
56. Knowing what a "roundtable" gathering usually looks like
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jan 2016

this cracked me up. We keep hearing from the Usual Suspects that people attending these events don't necessarily translate into votes. Really? People get up out of their house, fight traffic (in many cases), wander around for a place to park 2 miles from the venue, walk TO the venue, attend the event, walk back to their cars and fight traffic to get home and those aren't going to translate into votes?

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
74. And they do all that in the middle of freezing cold winter in NH!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

YEAH, they'll all stay home on election day. Dumbest, most idiotic excuse EVER.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
97. And the 300 people who marched 6 miles after meeting up at 7am on NEW YEAR'S DAY
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jan 2016

are not gonna go vote for Bernie either.



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SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
64. Go Bernie Go!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jan 2016

Every minute of every day...people are introduced to Bernie and his common sense / mainstream message for America. It takes about 5 minutes for folks to jump on board with support and enthusiasm.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
104. I was at the Londonderry one
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jan 2016

I had some trouble with my iPhone but I did manage to extract the video - I'll probably upload it tomorrow.

It said "roundtable" but not really, in that there was no panelists (not sure if it was intended that way or not). It went for an hour, about 20+ mins for talking, and the rest for questions from the audience. It was a nice small venue - 150 to 200 people? I had a first row. (!). He arrived on time, left on time (next stop: Plaistow, about 30 mins drive, getting him there on time).

I think one test that comes out of our extended presidential run is if you have the stamina. The travel schedule of the top candidates can be real burn-out material. Fortunately, Bern doesn't seem to be burning out, he's just more fired up.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
106. "Bern doesn't seem to be burning out, he's just more fired up."
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

He looks like he's having the time of his life. It's gotta be incredibly energizing, seeing people turn out and respond to his message.

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