I think it's a big mistake for Hillary to send Bill to New Hampshire

[berni_mccoy]

As someone who lived (until recently) in the Granite State for almost two decades, and during Clinton's terms, I have to say that Bill is not well received in the state. The state was red during Clinton's terms and he was never looked upon favorably in the state (Hillary wasn't either, but I'll not get into that). NH is a state that in general dislikes politicians and establishment. They do the absolute minimum when it comes to government, laws and enforcement. Heck, their state lawmakers get $100 / year (plus expenses) for doing their civic duty. After seeing some of the pics from Bill's events today, I'm certain it's a mistake of Hillary's campaign and they must be realizing that now. The attendance is pitiful, especially for the Democratic strongholds of the state. Furthermore, the reporters are focusing in on Bill on the questions of his sex scandals, likely inspired by Trump's rhetoric.

[brooklynite]

1. Remind us who won NH (where Bill campaigned extensively) in 2008

BTW - as a Sanders supporter, your guidance is appreciated.

[berni_mccoy]

3. Clinton got 39% of the vote in 2008. It's probably close to what she'll get this time too.

[brooklynite]

11. Since mid-October she's been in the mid-40s...

...in the last poll, she was down by only 2 points (nb-when Sanders is behind by single digits, his supporters love to talk about the margin of error, which could put Clinton ahead)

...Clinton has been ahead in half the polls in the same period.

[berni_mccoy]

19. Inverse was true for Clinton in 2008... just goes to show

the only poll that matters is the one that actually counts.

[karynnj]

61. before Iowa in 2008, she was about 20 points ahead

In a poll after Iowa, she was slightly behind. She won by about 2 percent.

[George II]

27. There were four candidates in the 2008 NH Primary who got a measurable number of votes....

...this year there are only two. Her 39% in 2008 was the highest among those four.

[John Poet]

69. Hillary bawled her way to victory

in 2008 in New Hampshire. I remember that quite clearly.


That the answer you were looking for?

[brooklynite]

70. Since I was looking for a mature answer, no.

[lunamagica]

2. Your concern is duly noted. It is so nice of you to want to help Hillary in NH. eom

[zazen]

15. no, no, it's a GREAT strategy! keep it up, especially with Undecideds! n/t

[lunamagica]

23. OK

[leftofcool]

4. Looks like the crowd went wild for Bill!

BTW, the Big Dog's approval rating is over 65%.

[berni_mccoy]

7. crowd of 200? Ok.

[jkbRN]

10. LOL

[leftofcool]

12. It isn't the size of the crowd that matters.

It's the ground game and the power house Dems, which of course Bernie does not have.

[roguevalley]

36. snicker. it isn't size that counts. I have never heard that small crowds are

better than big ones to win elections. I have seen that a couple of times now and I can't help but want to hug Hillary supporters. That's an ... intriguing thing to put forward. By the way, I have loved a lot of politicians but I have never voted for one based on another's endorsements who were politicians. I lost a few races but no one's surrogates ever caught my vote. We shall see soon enough.

[Fawke Em]

62. Only 200 showed up?

Geez. Bernie gets those numbers at round tables.

[Gothmog]

5. And yet the Big Dog got standing ovations at his first speech

Who cares what Trump thinks. Trump is not a good judge of anything

[zazen]

20. crap--is Trump so clever that he baited Bill out of hiding on purpose?

I've been thinking Trump is a total dumbass as well as a flaming narcissist, but if anything could induce Bill out of the campaign's smart-so-far strategy of letting Hillary run on her own laurels, it's Trump's challenge to Bill's popularity and reputation. It may be that Bill needed to draw some ovations to counter Trump in the press.

I wonder if Clinton's advisers totally agreed with this strategy.

And I really, really hope Trump isn't that clever. I've been banking on his undisciplined verbal diarrhea. To think he could be this shrewd is scary.

[rbrnmw]

66. actually it was planned well before

the obnoxious bloviating one opened his ignorant mouth

[floriduck]

52. I think they are showing Bill their appreciation

that he can no longer be our president. Those were cheers of relief.

[comradebillyboy]

6. Having a very popular and widely admired ex-president campaigning for

Hillary is a bad idea in what reality based universe?

[jkbRN]

28. Uh, did you actually read what the OP said?

Because your question is answered within the initial post.

[comradebillyboy]

33. The OP is full of shit

[roguevalley]

37. apparently even if you live in an area and speak with expertise on it someone else who

hasn't is going to assert you are wrong. I find it sort of astonishing that Clinton and even her husband can't draw more than a couple of hundred people to their events. That is not a good sign I would think. We shall see.

[jkbRN]

39. Your response comes off as pathetic,

Given the fact that you attack the poster instead of the argument.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Some folks get tired of seeing somebody they respect constantly disrespected.

Spontaneous moral outrage has its place.

[JonLeibowitz]

53. I agree. As a Sanders supporter, I had no problem with the comment.

It was forcefully felt and so was forcefully stated.

I might not agree though.

[jkbRN]

57. I guess?

Seems a bit childish.

[Blue_Adept]

41. Jury Results

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The OP is full of shit
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[jwirr]

46. Are you from NH? Not everyone likes Bill and especially

since they are beginning to see what he was really doing in his presidency. The market may have done well but many of the economic changes he made are still hurting us.

I know he polls well in who everyone likes best. But who votes in those polls and who is he running against in them. It makes a difference.

[quickesst]

56. This....

+1000

[zazen]

8. agreed . . .better strategy for HRC to run on her own laurels

Of course I want to see Sanders win the primary.

OTOH, I still wince when I see HRC's camp make strategic blunders because I fear we're in for much more of it if she wins.

The people who are already going to vote for HRC don't need to see Bill. They either like him or are indifferent.

The undecideds already know enough about him because the Clintons have instant name recognition, and most of them need to be persuaded that she's going to govern to the LEFT of her husband given the growing economic awareness over the 15 years. Seeing him doesn't help HRC's cause, but rather hurts it.

I guess I'm glad they don't take our advice?

[leftofcool]

18. Only in the DU bizarro world does Bill hurt Hillary

[PyaarRevolution]

21. NAFTA.

Do I need to say more?

[leftofcool]

22. No body gives a shit!

Bill will draw crowds for Hillary just like Obama will as soon as she wins the primary.

[Armstead]

26. The secret to success

[jkbRN]

31. Lol, we have not passed the primary

..also, please stop attempting to speak for everyone else.

[840high]

59. You don't speak for me.

[zazen]

24. or on college campuses and with older millennials, but whatever :-)

[840high]

58. Take a look at pictures on

DailyMail.

[ViseGrip]

9. For Bill Clinton to have paltry numbers anywhere speaks to where the people are N O W.

He canceled two of his fundraisers for Hillary in Pennsylvania. That is not good news either. The turnout for them was embarrassing for him, so he canceled them.

[leftofcool]

14. No, those fund raisers were cancelled because Sandy Berger died.

You should self delete this post because it is based on a lie.

[rbrnmw]

50. That is not true at all

[MoonRiver]

13. His speech was amazing! It could only have helped Hillary.

Trump is digging himself one great big hole with his cheap shots against the Clintons.

[BlueMTexpat]

16. Sure, it's a REALLY BIG mistake.

Capacity crowd: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/04/bill-clinton-campaign-new-hampshire/78252746/

and here's the KOS report: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/04/1466022/-Bill-Clinton-Kicks-Off-2016-With-Two-Events-in-New-Hampshire

[riversedge]

17. No surprise, @billclinton brings Nashua crowd to its feet! Energized for next 36 days w/@HillaryforN

The people in the audience love him Have a nice day.




Julie McClain ‏@McClainJulie 2h2 hours ago

No surprise, @billclinton brings Nashua crowd to its feet! Energized for next 36 days w/@HillaryforNH. #nhpolitics






Rachael Goldenberg ‏@RachaelGoldie 2h2 hours ago

Like @HillaryClinton, @BillClinton speaks today about issues that matter - addiction, healthcare #42inthe603

[randome]

25. Because leading consistently in polls and endorsements means they don't know what they're doing?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[redstateblues]

29. People will remember 8 years of peace and prosperity

When Clinton was President and run him out of the state! Thanks for the concern

[ismnotwasm]

30. Well then you should be very pleased by this mistake.

[newblewtoo]

32. It generally does no good

to try and explain NH politics to people from away. Best I can do is compare it to other states love affairs with professional sport teams. Filling a hall in NH (most are small) is not indicative of a level of support. Lots of NH voters pride themselves on hearing, seeing, meeting, all the candidates before making up their mind.

Folks turn out to see the Big Dog. They also turn out for a gun show. Entertainment is hard to come by in NH in the winter. Think of it like that.

My take? Bernie will be the principal beneficiary of this. Trump knows how to dirty up things to his advantage. Cast aspersions on Clinton to get the candidate he wants to run against for him it is Win / Win.

As I have said before the big 'tell' from this primary will be which party has momentum among the independent voters. The candidate will not matter as much as the party at this point.

[JonLeibowitz]

55. Reading NH/VT/IA voters describe how they view the political process makes me want to move there

You all sound so cool.

[newblewtoo]

68. Well, it's not all

ice cream and cupcakes. I believe my mail man now wears a truss from all the political flyers that show up this time of year. And no one answers the phone without checking caller ID. It rings constantly. I've been polled more than a raft on the Mississippi after picking up without my glasses on. Short survey my Aunt Fanny!!

[Alfresco]

34. The Big Dog reacts to your post.

[CoffeeCat]

35. A Bill Clinton Iowa appearance was cancelled due to lack of RSVPs

Someone on DU posted about one of Bill Clinton's Iowa appearances being cancelled due to lack of RSVPs. Apparently no one showed up.

He hasn't campaigned here much, other than appearing with Hillary and Katy Perry at their JJ Dinner rally/speech.

I don't think she's using him in Iowa. Interesting that she is in NH.

I thought Bill did a decent job at the JJ rally.

[SunSeeker]

38. Link?

A DUer in this thread made a similar claim about another event, but it appears that event was cancelled due to the death of Sandy Berger (see post 14).

[CoffeeCat]

54. This was a couple of weeks ago

and it could have been due to Sandy Berger's death. I don't know.

This was a discussion on DU. Someone else who lived in Iowa, who said the event was cancelled because there was so little turnout.

There was a back and forth between this person and I, because I was shocked about this. I thought Bill did a great job for Hillary at the JJ dinner rally. I thought Iowans would come out to see him.

The conversation is somewhere on DU! I don't have any specific links.

[leftofcool]

71. Uh no. It was due to Sandy Berger's death.

[dsc]

40. I don't know what delusional planet you live on

but on planet earth, Clinton carried NH both times.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1992+electoral+map&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSsci3oJHKAhUH5mMKHedoAL4Q_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=623

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Good catch./nt

[berni_mccoy]

47. If you call 39% of the vote... carrying... well, then maybe you should examine your own delusional

planet.

[dsc]

49. I am referring to the comments about Bill not carrying New Hampshire in the general

that is what red state meant last I checked. He won it both times, I supplied maps which proved it.

[postatomic]

60. What Planet is it that has Sanders winning the nomination with polling #s in the 20s?

Anger and Fear. Just Anger and Fear.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Res ipsa loquitur

The state was red during Clinton's terms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Hampshire,_1996


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Hampshire,_1992

[berni_mccoy]

48. Yes, it was

Look at the governorship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_New_Hampshire

And the state legislature, which has rarely been blue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_General_Court

Furthermore, the US Senate and Legislative members were distinctly Republican during Clinton's terms.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

45. I really don't give a rat's ass what the most Republican state in NE thinks.

Anyone who became a Republican under a moderate like Bill Clinton must be a full blown wingnut. They can enjoy their tRump, JEB! and Ted Crud rallies.

[Thinkingabout]

51. Yes, in 1992 a candidate lost in Iowa and NH, came back and

Won the nomination, won in the general election against an incumbent. His name is Bill Clinton.

[Fawke Em]

64. And Hillary is NOT Bill.

Funny, you like to meld the two when it comes to positives like charisma and charm (he has it, she... not so much), but you call others sexist if they make a point about some of his atrocious policies (NAFTA, communications act, etc) that Hillary supported by saying that his policies aren't hers (even if she touted them).

Can't have your cake and eat it, too.

[Thinkingabout]

67. I stateda fact, there has been primary candidated who have lost Iowa and NH,

won the nomination and went on to win the election over an incumbent. You are correct, the bills passed during Bill Clinton are not Hillary's policies. Some of the bills passed during Bill Clinton's administration was given a yes vote by Sanders, one being the CFMA which played a big part in the financial crisis. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[senz]

63. K&R -- Thanks, berni.

I've wondered why she's pulling Bill into it so early in the game. The girls standing behind him didn't look too thrilled, but they probably don't know much about him, being so young.

[Beacool]

65. What are you talking about?

Clinton won NH in 1992 and 1996. Hillary won the state's primary in 2008. Sanders may win NH, as he is from neighboring VT, but it won't be because either Clinton is disliked in the state.