Do you stand with NARAL in endorsing Barack Obama in 2008 and Hillary Clinton in 2016?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

IMHO, they made the right decision both times.

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[firebrand80]

1. 1%ers nt

[ismnotwasm]

2. Holy crap-- three people voted no already.

Good gravy Marie

Whoops--make that eight. Damn

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. "The Friend of my enemy ..." ...

sighhh!

[ismnotwasm]

6. Apparently so.

More sadness

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. Or, better ...

"The Friend of my enemy, even though we claim to be fighting for the same stuff ..."

[ismnotwasm]

24. It's a pattern

Also a conundrum

[Armstead]

49. Bullshit

Sorry but that's bullshit.

As I noted downthread, an organization that is supposed to represent everyone who supports their basic positions should not be taking sides in a primary or election in which both candidates are supportive of their positions.

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. That is bullshit ...

Every organization should be free to endorse the person that they believe will best represent their interests / the interests of their constituency.

[Douglas Carpenter]

12. you expected Sen. Sanders' supporters to endorse Hillary in the primaries?

Now, how does that make any sense at all?

[m-lekktor]

16. OFFS he asked "in supporting Hillary Clinton" not "in supporting a woman's right to choose".

though i am sure the author of this thread is trying to imply that passive aggressively. You and all your little friends gasping in shock are being ridiculous!

Why in fucking hell should a person who support Bernie stand with anybody in support of Hillary during the primary when the DEM candidate hasn't been chosen yet?

[cali]

19. Of course he is. That could not be clearer.

[cali]

17. Holy crap. A man using abortion to play games. Ugh.

The op already posted a thread announcing the endorsement. That's fine. It's a great, if not surprising endorsement? This? It's repugnant.

[ismnotwasm]

20. Is that all you got?

"A male using abortion to play games"??

How about a male backing the best candidate for a woman's right to choose?

[cali]

25. Bernie is at least as strong on abortion rights as Hillary. Their is no daylight between their

positions. And your silly response to me entirely ignores my.point. btw, Bernie has never used weasel words on so-called pba. Hillary has.

[yuiyoshida]

62. Point, match, and set...

or maybe that was a touch down...a home run... in any case, I liked it.

[fredamae]

32. I support NARAL

NARAL doesn't politically speak for Me outside their interests.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

36. Holy crap. It's primary season, and we were just asked to support someone else over our candidate.

What in the hell kind of response did you THINK would come from this?

[TSIAS]

40. I don't agree with their endorsement

That doesn't mean I don't stand with NARAL and their support for abortion rights.

[fredamae]

3. May I respectfully ask

What is the point behind asking questions like this? I don't get it. Sorry.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. "We can disagree without impugning our opponent's motives."

-Barack Obama

[cali]

18. Oh that's rich after you post this piece of work.

[cali]

14. It's a male politically using abortion to play games. Grotesque

[ieoeja]

21. See post #2. They will now pretend that disagreeing with NARAL's endorsement means disliking NARAL.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Yes, we'll be branded as misogynists and they'll link to this poll as "proof"

[cali]

33. I support NARAL. It's a great endorsement for Hillary. I will continue supporting them

I think Bernie is better.

[NCTraveler]

5. Good choice in '08.

And in all honesty there is only one choice this time. They know it and got it right. Just as most who lean left in this country.

[Armstead]

9. No. I think such issue oriented groups should not interfere in elections where....

two candidates have essentially the same positions on their issues.

In a campaign between a pro-choice and anti-choice candidates, it is appropriate.

[Truprogressive85]

10. So HRC supporters this time around are not throwing NARAL under the bus like they did 08

[cali]

13. Cute. No. Unlike you, I'm a woman. I've had an abortion.

I've posted many,many times here about it- again, unlike YOU. I strongly support abortion rights. I do not support Hillary. Just ugh to your using this in this way. And Bernie is every bit as strong on abortion rights as Hillary and has never used weasel words about it. She has.

[ismnotwasm]

23. He absolutely has used weasel words.

"Agree to disagree" comes to mind. You are wrong. Hillary has the best record and women's issues ans NARAL has taken notice. I've had abortions myself. Do I need to lay them out in public for my bone fides?

[cali]

26. She sure has.

[cali]

29. Here:

When Clinton said that pro-choice and pro-life people could find common ground by trying to reduce the number of abortions through increased access to birth control, it was called "an attempt to move to the center as she contemplates a presidential run i 2008." The Wall Street Journal described her alleged changes in position as a "makeover and move to the center that she's now attempting." NPR saw Clinton spinning in circles: "She is doing what her husband did. Which was not so much move to the center or the right, but figure out a way to bridge the left-wing base of the Democratic Party. And move to the center at the same time."
Yet she was not changing her position on anything. For her entire time in public life, Clinton has been pro-choice and has supported access to birth control. Pointing out that such access would reduce the number of abortions, something anti-abortion forces ought to favor, cannot fairly be described as a shift in any direction.
Source: Free Ride, by David Brock and Paul Waldman, p.134-135 Mar 25, 2008
Consistently uses Dem. Party line, "safe, legal, and rare"

After Senator Hillary Clinton gave a 2005 speech restating her long-held view that abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare," some pundits accused her of being "transparent" and taking a "poll-tested path," despite the fact that the formulation had been a consistent part of Democratic rhetoric on the issue for over a decade. The speech was cited again and again whenever a journalist or commentator wanted to show that Clinton was "moving to the center," evidence that she was massaging her actual views for political advantage. Yet McCain's varying statements on abortion haven't seemed to diminish his reputation for straight talk.

Snip

Hillary advocates finding common ground with opponents: Mrs. Clinton, in a speech to about 1,000 abortion rights supports, firmly restated her support for the Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion nationwide, Roe v. Wade. But then she quickly shifted gears, offering warm words to opponents of abortion--particularly members of religious groups--asserting that there was “common ground” to be found.

Snip

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.
Source: Senate debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

[CharlotteVale]

37. Oh, my. Touché.

[ismnotwasm]

44. Not even a little bit

[cali]

45. Lol. Can't get much weaker than that.

[ismnotwasm]

48. Sure you can

[CharlotteVale]

51. Seriously. Hillary's on the record with TONS of quotes. It's downright

comical to see them being completely ignored.

[ismnotwasm]

54. I don't ignore them

She's certainly not perfect---but she is hands down the best candidate for women.

[CharlotteVale]

47. You're right, it wasn't a little bit, it was a whole lot.

[ismnotwasm]

53. Clever!

[ismnotwasm]

46. Right.

Jesus.

Edit there it is. Good old Sanders

I know that there are differences in this room on abortion, on gay marriage, on guns, whatever it may be. Fine, let’s have our differences. But when it comes to whether or not our kids can go to college, whether or not we’re going to make it easier for workers to join unions, whether or not we’re going to have a trade policy which creates jobs in this country or whether it creates jobs in China, whether or not college is affordable, whether or not all Americans are entitled to health care as a right, let us stand together and not be divided.

[cali]

50. Oh don't tell me, on the issues is a right wing site that hates Hillary

[ismnotwasm]

52. No why would I say something like that?

On the issues is a great site

[JonLeibowitz]

67. Can you explain how he uses weasel words there?

Seems to me he is saying they disagree strongly on one issue, are going to be unable to work together on that issue, but can work together on many others.

What is the problem there?

[beam me up scottie]

27. Actually Bernie's record is better, he never supported a ban on late term abortions.

Hillary did, she also pandered to abortion foes claiming she wanted to find "common ground" with them.

You're right, the op is absolutely exploiting women's rights.

[cali]

31. Male privilege. A man saying that if you don't support Hillary, you don't support abortion rights

[beam me up scottie]

35. Yep. Mansplaining in all its glory - condescending and exploitative.

[el_bryanto]

22. Wouldn't standing with them imply voting the way they wish me too?

I.E. voting for Hillary Clinton? Or am I missing something.

Bryant

[guillaumeb]

30. "Trust women" looks good on a banner, but what does it mean?

Sarah Palin is a woman. So is Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann. Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, and Marine LePen are all female. Do any at DU feel that simply being female is enough?

Actual policies and positions also matter. A center right politician is still a center right politician no matter the gender.

[CharlotteVale]

34. I've done volunteer work for NARAL and donated a lot of money

to them. Abortion rights is my #1 issue and like others here, I've had one.

Hillary has said she wants abortions to be "rare."

It's none of her damn business how many abortions I, or any other woman, has.

There's no organization that would influence me into supporting her.

[cali]

38. Bullying on abortion rights from a man. Ugh

[CharlotteVale]

41. There is nothing they won't do, it seems.

[cali]

43. So tone deaf and so ironic. Big honking picture of a banner that reads "Trust Women"

And a man saying that if you don't stand with Hillary's, you don't really support abortion rights. It's disgusting Mcarthyite and the epitome of male privilege

[restorefreedom]

39. i support naral's right

to endorse the candidate of their choosing

however, since ALL the dem candidates are strongly prochoice, there really is no loser on this issue

and another reason i feel great about voting sanders

[Motown_Johnny]

42. I can't stand with anyone who is endorsing Hillary Clinton

Try to obscure the facts by tossing in Pres. Obama but it doesn't change anything.

Show me some policy difference on Choice between Hillary and Bernie and we can discuss it. As far as I can tell there is no reason to support Hillary over Bernie based on policies concerning a woman's right to choose.

[ismnotwasm]

55. Not even NARAL?

[Motown_Johnny]

56. I support what they stand for, but I ask again...

what policy difference is there between Hillary and Bernie which makes her worthy of their endorsement and not him?

I could be wrong, but I know of no policy differences concerning a woman's right to choose between the two leading Democratic candidates.


I don't support Hillary for our nomination and I can't agree with anyone who does (on that subject).

If you try to twist this into my being against a woman's right to choose then you are being dishonest. This is simply about Hillary as our nominee.

[ismnotwasm]

57. Ok

[ismnotwasm]

58. Hey DSB--apparently since you are a guy

You shouldn't be allowed to put "Trust Women" up there. Only Bernie Sanders can do that. Oh wait...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I trust everybody to make their own decisions.

That's why I'm with her.

[cali]

61. Then you should delete this male privilege Mcarthyite bull.

[ismnotwasm]

64. I agree!

Me too

[cali]

60. No. That's not it. He shouldn't put that up there while inferring that if don't support Hillary

you don't support abortion rights.

[ismnotwasm]

63. I didn't take it that way at all

And I don't think it was meant that way. As is so often pointed out, Sanders has an excellent voting record on abortion rights, even though he certainly hasn't done the field work for women Hillary has.

NARAL choose to endorse Hillary.

[cali]

65. All the op had to say was "I stand with NARAL and Hillary on abortion rights".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. We'll still donate to NARAL but strongly disagree with the endorsement.

[vi5]

68. Groups who will likely endorse the Dem nominee no matter what...

Should stay out of primaries. It will make them look foolish if they have to then switch their support to someone else. Yes, if one of the candidates was not pro-choice then it would be something obvious. But if you have 2 solid pro-choice candidates and you will support whichever one wins the nominee, then save your money and your effort for the general election.