2016 Postmortem
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Bernie Sanders Attacks Hillary Clinton Over Regulating Wall StreetSenator Bernie Sanders of Vermont laid out in a fiery speech Tuesday his plan to break up too big to fail commercial banks and pointedly attacked Hillary Clinton for taking speaking fees from the financial industry and, in his view, for not going far enough in her plan to regulate Wall Street.
The criticism of Mrs. Clinton was some of Mr. Sanderss strongest to date, and came after he had frequently refrained from such direct attacks.
My opponent says that as a senator, she told bankers to cut it out and end their destructive behavior, Mr. Sanders said of Mrs. Clinton. But, in my view, establishment politicians are the ones who need to cut it out. The reality is that Congress doesnt regulate Wall Street. Wall Street and their lobbyists regulate Congress. We must change that reality, and as president, I will.
Mr. Sanders said that Mrs. Clinton was wrong to oppose his plan to reinstitute the Glass-Steagall Act, which would legally separate commercial banking, investment banking and insurances services. And the senator implicitly criticized Mrs. Clinton for being a patron of bankers when he pointed to their huge campaign donations and noted that they provide very generous speaking fees to those who go before them.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)This was a great speech.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)He was a man on a mission.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)As Mr. Sanders suggested in his speech, Wall Street was paying attention, too. However, with Mrs. Clinton still holding a commanding lead in most polls, her proposals appear to carry more weight.
Les Funtleyder, a portfolio manager at E Squared Asset Management, said that Mrs. Clintons remarks about regulating companies tended to move the market more than those of Mr. Sanders.
This suggests to me The Street is more interested in what Hillary says at this point, Mr. Funtleyder said.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)Bernie called it during the debate. No, Wall Street is not going to like me as President.
senz
(11,945 posts)of Bernie with Sandra Bland's mom and sister ... amazing.
senz
(11,945 posts)here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251684857
Very moving.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I'm interested in what they're scared of.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Up the proles. These are the "wedge issues" I've longed for.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)What were you expecting, rubber biscuit?
With Clinton's plan the 99% get a wish sandwich, maybe a cool water sandwich and a Sunday go to meeting bun!
The 1% get Fillet Mignon.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)It would have been fun to see how many asked what a rubber biscuit was!!
Great reference! Brings back so many memories!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)ABC actually did the best job probably because they committed the most egregious blackout against Bernie for so long, CBS covered the speech a very small amount, if NBC covered it, I missed it flipping through the networks.
I would bet fifty dollars to a doughnut that if Trump had stated what Bernie said, it would be all over the news, non-stop.
The ridiculous part is, Trump isn't even running against Hillary, the first primary hasn't taken place but the corporate media conglomerates are doing their best to present a Presidential race with all the integrity of professional wrestling.
Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)scanning the networks today, I saw nothing on Bernie! So biased, and yet he is closing in on her every day. That tells you how little influence they have anymore.
Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)we can't make the mistake of underestimating its propaganda power over too many people, as the old adage states that a beast is most dangerous when its' wounded or something like that.
More people every day are losing faith in the integrity of television news and tragically, the corporate media conglomerates; in their zeal to cynically manipulate the American People purely for self-serving purposes as they have inherent conflicts of interest are only speeding up the process.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of the population. I'm guessing much of even that number, are Fox loyalists.
Young people in particular, don't bother with the Corp Media, they get their news on Social Media from a variety of sources.
If this was the 'nineties, eg, Bernie would not be anywhere near as successful as he is right now. Because back then the Corp Media did have a lot of influence.
Sure, there is still an older Demographic that depends on them for news, but increasingly people are looking elsewhere to get their news, and also, they are now subject to ANALYSIS by millions of people which they never had to deal with in the past.
Bernie's success despite all their efforts, is proof of them losing their grip on the public's consciousness.
In fact, Hillary admitted a few years ago before the Senate when asking for funds for the State Dept: 'We are losing control of the message' and named several news sources other than the MSM, who she stated 'are doing a job' while CNN was no longer a force to be reckoned with as it once was..
Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)FOX gets the highest in trust at 44% but it also gets a high distrust at 42%
U.S. News and World Report is a member of the corporate media conglomerate and here they are trying to obfuscate the issue on behalf of FOX, notice the headline as if this is even close to being in dispute!
PBS Is America's Most Trusted TV News Source. Or Maybe It's Fox News.
Organization Trust Don't Trust Not Sure
ABC 37% 38% 26%
CBS 39 37 24
CNN 40 40 21
Comedy Central 29 38 33
Fox News 44 42 15
MSNBC 34 44 21
NBC 39 39 22
PBS 57 24 19
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2014/01/30/pbs-is-americas-most-trusted-tv-news-source-or-maybe-its-fox-news
So FOX can't break a majority of over 50% and only has a +2 rating, PBS has a majority of 57% with a plus 33 point rating and U.S. News and World Report in their headline states "maybe!?
I totally agree with you, if we didn't have an Internet, Bernie wouldn't be anywhere near where he is today and that's precisely why the corporate media trashed, slandered and libeled Al Gore during his campaign with the "Gore claimed to have Invented the Internet lie," they saw the writing on the wall, knew this day was coming and they despised him for it.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)the corporate media conglomerations," it's the closest network to being liberal and as such is drastically outnumbered by the rest of the corporate media conglomerates which are not.
As most T.V. viewers are programmed by the fifty shades of corporate supremacy and conservative dogma, from all the other networks MSNBC pays a price for its relative progressivism.
Having said that the corporate media is the corporate media and even MSNBC only pushes the bar so far in regards to being against corporate supremacy, they have an inherent conflict of interest as well.
Comedy Central has the advantage of making people laugh, they're liberal as well but don't get punished as much because humor gives them a cloak, however even they don't rank well with people programmed by the conservative dogma from the rest of the corporate media conglomerates.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I'm sure they they did see this coming in 2000. All the work they did to buy the media isn't paying off the way they hoped it would after alll
Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)McCutcheon v Federal Election Commission, they see the writing on the wall as well, so the corporate supremacists powers that be, do what they can to offset the growing people powered influence of the Internet and resulting democratization of the U.S.
Both being authoritarian by nature, the Republicans and corporate supremacists are deathly afraid of democracy breaking out, so they rely on the almighty dollar to offset that possibility.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's dishonest in delivering news, and the youngest voting generation have known it.
Heh... Corporate Media.... Hoisted by their own petard, Sabrina. We're seeing it happen right before our eyes.
arikara
(5,562 posts)and they will matter hugely in your election just as they did in Canada's as long as they are motivated. I hope Bernie is doing that, I really doubt Hillary would stimulate them to get out and vote.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)say on the cable news to interest us.
Real News, Democracy Now, KPFK, Cenk -- Young Turks, and a long list of internet news sources including Huffington Post, Salon, international newspapers, the Guardian . . .. .
The list of great news sources on the internet is just too long.
Who needs cable? I sure don't.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)announcement. But still, we don't need no stinkin' MSM.
FloriTexan
(838 posts)Love it.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)It was only a matter of time before calling Clinton wrong became an "attack."
Just like people are "attacked" around here all the time, and have even been known to create an OP or two to whine about it.
Cry about a pathetic DU user (4)
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Everybody in America wants stronger reform on Wall Street than Hillary is proposing.
The friends I have who lost homes and/or businesses, all need real reform of the financial sector.
The too-big-to-fail banks need to be reduced in size. Right now the risks in our economy are too concentrated in the hands of a few very wealthy gamblers. That needs to change.
Many years ago, we rented an apartment from the manager of and S&L. He was the embodiment of a conservative fiscal view but with a heart of gold. He reduced our rent provided we got up at 5 a.m. when it snowed and shoveled the snow in front of the S&L and in front of the building we were in.
That was the early to mid-sixties, the time when bankers still cared about the people they served, the time when bankers made good money but didn't have to be Kings of the Hill, the time when Americans earned a living wage, enough to live modestly but well. There was still hunger and need, but that hunger and need was not as mean, not as cruel as today. It wasn't so all-or-nothing as I recall.
Bernie Sanders' speech today was terrific. The risk and some of the gain needs to be spread more widely in our society. Bernie is right. Hillary is wrong. About the "shadow banks." The money came from the too-big-to-fail economy that is lead by the too-big-to-fail banks.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)jkbRN
(850 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Very brief, maybe a couple of minutes. Said he cited Glass-Steagall something like six times. Toward the end they gave Hillary's opinion and then noted that the Cato Institute agrees with her!
The Cato Institute is libertarian, economically Far Right.
senz
(11,945 posts)You can listen online
http://www.marketplace.org/2016/01/05/world/glass-steagall
Here's the transcript:
Lets not forget: President Franklin Roosevelt signed this bill into law precisely to prevent Wall Street speculators from causing another Great Depression, Sanders said in his speech. And it worked for more than five decades, until Wall Street watered it down under President Reagan and killed it under President Clinton.
Glass-Steagall was part of the larger the Banking Act of 1933, which, among other things, separated banks commercial banking, investment banking and insurance businesses.
The idea then and theres some validity to this now as well is that if youre mixing different kinds of activities, making it more complex, more opaque, its easier to make mistakes, its easier to behave badly, its easier to become very big, said Simon Johnson, a professor at MITs Sloan School of Management.
Fast forward to the late 90s, Glass-Steagall was repealed amid a wave of deregulation, in part with the argument that itd help banks be more profitable and better compete against bank abroad not subject to similar regulations.
There was a general view among officials and the private sector in the United States that these 1930s restrictions and regulations were somehow holding back the U.S. financial sector, preventing firms from being globally competitive, Johnson said.
But the idea of that there should be some type of firewall between custodian bankers and more entrepreneurial, risky Wall street types has persisted, said Lawrence Baxter, a professor at Duke Law School. Senators John McCain (R-Ariz) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass) have repeatedly introduced legislation to revive the act.
The Glass-Steagall Act element that it keeps coming back, I think, it rests on deep belief that you shouldnt mix these two types of cultures, especially if one of them is backed up by the taxpayer, Baxter said.
The debate over reinstating Glass-Steagall often focuses on whether it would have helped prevent the recent financial crisis. Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton has said it would not.
Mark Calabria, director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute, agreed, saying that the crisis was caused by non-banks and financial institutions it wouldnt have covered. He sees the idea of reinstating Glass-Steagall as distracting and a misdirection.
Almost all activity banks engage in is risky, he said. Theres this artificial distinction that something going on on Wall Street is incredibly risky, where what commercial banks do is not risky. Thats just not true.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He never gets a fair shake from the MSM.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)all the HRC supporters whose posts are snarky or condescending, and it's so refreshing not to see those kinds of posts.
I love how popular Bernie has become--he's all over the social media, and people are flocking to his appearances. I wish he'd visit my rural area.
Go, BERNIE!!!
azmom
(5,208 posts)I still can't get over her saying that during the debate.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)What fucking joke politician came up with that?
Oh, wait...
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)If you think the country needs to move to the right, Hillary is your candidate
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Our next President!
senz
(11,945 posts)were near the end where he said,
"If elected president I will rein in Wall Street so they cannot crash our economy again.
Will the folks on Wall Street like me? (Crowd yells, NO!)
Will they begin to play by the rules if I am president? Youd bettah believe it."
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)I don't see source.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Here's the link without the formatting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-attacks-hillary-clinton-over-regulating-wall-street.html?_r=0
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)People have a real interest in this, and it might get out the vote for us.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)(No wonder camp Weathervane attempted to pre-emptively attack the speech.)
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)even if he is not the nominee. He and Sen. Warren need to have a platform to put their correct views forward. If Bernie is defeated he needs to be the vice presidential candidate and have a voice shaping the Democratic platform.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)message -- he WILL WIN!!! Let's make sure they do!!!!!
POST IT ON FACEBOOK, TWITTER AND EVERYWHERE!!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Some try to do both, which is at best its very best, a one step forward, two steps back proposition.
It is why we are where we are. It is no secret. Wall St owns us. We live in the most reality and change individual shareholders cannot fund the blocking of.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It's refreshing to see that, and I don't think it's a coincidence that the subject of the article is what it is.
This might provide a signal, and an impetus, for others to follow this lead.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)No defense from Camp Weathervane? No unsupported denials, lacking any reference to actual facts? They usually leap on this stuff within seconds.
Maybe there is an email in which Ms. Clinton said, "I will break up big banks, and all those millions and millions of dollars I received from the corporate financial systems are just proof they are all suckers."
Helloooo? Is this mic on?
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)not even a
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Then if you think about it, without a leg to stand on, or maybe even cheer leading for some of perpetrators that brought on this situation on. Like, what could or would they say about in the prop up of such a weather-vain.
Fate is the reality we cannot change but what change comes is our privilege to deal with and this always regardless of if we like it or not.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)in our government. Why HRC supporters can't see that I find strange. For a long time until a few years ago, these same Democrats were against big money in government and against the domination of the Corp-Media. Now they embrace both. Do they not believe in quid pro quo or do they think it applies to everyone but their candidate? HRC will not regulate Wall Street. If she tried, Goldman-Sachs and others would want their money back.