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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:23 PM Jan 2016

In its first endorsement ever, Planned Parenthood endorses Hillary Clinton. Do you stand with them?




Planned Parenthood, which has become an ideological minefield in the 2016 presidential election, said Thursday that it would endorse Hillary Clinton — its first endorsement in a presidential primary in the nonprofit’s 100-year existence.

Mrs. Clinton will officially accept the group’s support Sunday at a campaign rally in Manchester, N.H. The decision to break with tradition and endorse Mrs. Clinton comes as the House has approved a measure, endorsed by the leading Republican presidential candidates, that would repeal parts of the Affordable Care Act and strip away federal financing for Planned Parenthood, which provides reproductive and health care services.

“Everything Planned Parenthood has believed in and fought for over the past 100 years is on the ballot,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood.



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In its first endorsement ever, Planned Parenthood endorses Hillary Clinton. Do you stand with them? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 OP
I certainly disagree with the endorsement but I'll still contribute to PP. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #1
Wait a minute, you answered NO in the poll but now say you continue to support PP randys1 Jan 2016 #87
I support PP. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #93
And.........if Hillary is the candidate, PP will support her, for reasons I should not have randys1 Jan 2016 #102
Will you please knock it off with the loyalty pledges? It's super fucking condescending. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #105
Thank you. eom uppityperson Jan 2016 #109
Stop making such absurd allegations. I am the LEAST loyal person here when it comes to randys1 Jan 2016 #110
Ha! Cary Jan 2016 #129
Terrorist tea party. You got it. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #153
Word. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #111
Thank You! Phlem Jan 2016 #135
thank you so much Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #176
Interesting, I didn't see the words "loyalty" OR "pledge" in Randy's post. George II Jan 2016 #190
You should check between the lines. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #191
I didn't see any lines either. George II Jan 2016 #193
I blame Canada. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #195
Why would you do that? George II Jan 2016 #196
oddly, I didn't see the word "obfuscation" in yours... mike_c Jan 2016 #298
True that George II Jan 2016 #305
+1000 % eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #233
I always vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #156
So do I and I ALWAYS vote for the candidate that doesnt want to kill Women randys1 Jan 2016 #158
Sanders wants to kill women? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #161
Dont you dare randys1 Jan 2016 #162
Don't I dare...what? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #165
You know damn well I wasnt talking about Bernie randys1 Jan 2016 #167
Yes. I did. Jill Stein. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #168
Keep pretending that a 3rd party vote doesnt actually count as a vote for murderous anti Woman randys1 Jan 2016 #169
Basic math. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #172
You said it. You said it as if there is only one candidate who stands up for women's reproductive ri cali Jan 2016 #224
I said only one candidate supports Women, only one of our two? I said that? Prove it or randys1 Jan 2016 #250
Where did I say that? randys1 Jan 2016 #268
when did Bernie Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #178
GOD DAMNIT i am talking about GOP, for KRIST SAKE randys1 Jan 2016 #180
I notice you only support hillary and do not say Democrats and Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #184
Cant be clear since my meaning is GOP and that was my meaning the other 2000 times I have randys1 Jan 2016 #288
Then communicate more effectively. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #281
Everyone who isnt trying to create a non issue knows who I am talking about randys1 Jan 2016 #289
nope, just be Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #293
You can continue to blame everyone who has pointed this out to you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #296
ZOMG BERNIE WANTS TO KILL WOMEN??? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #183
Why do you people misquote me on purpose? WHen I am talking about the GOP why randys1 Jan 2016 #265
It's called baiting Randy. It's how they roll. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #314
So now Bernie wants to kill Women? cui bono Jan 2016 #198
Nah, never said ANYTHING remotely close to that, but your friends are twisting my words randys1 Jan 2016 #266
I don't think anyone is trying to get you banned. Look at the structure of your sentence cui bono Jan 2016 #277
Nonsense, everyone here knows my position. Knows who I am talking about randys1 Jan 2016 #287
no we do do not Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #294
Could be that the other poster is not a goddamned simpleton, and realizes life is nuanced. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #280
As a woman I stand with PP and Bernie Sanders. But I get it: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #2
My poll is largely innocuous, friend. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #5
Anyone who exploits women's causes to score points on the internet isn't my friend. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #6
+1 fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #8
Strong women rock. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #10
I prefer the candidate who was always 100% pro-choice - Bernie trusts women. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #17
Her position strikes me as reasonable DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #19
Of course it does. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #22
So, you, me, and Hillary are sympatico DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #28
No, we're not. I trust women not politicians to make our own decisions. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #29
She said she supports late term abortions where the mother's life is in jeopardy. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #40
You can stop lecturing me about abortions now. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #44
I am not lecturing you. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #52
You just said this was "fun". beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #57
It is fun to tout HRC's endorsements from other progressives. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #64
It's fun for you, for women it's life and death. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #66
And all the threads that denigrate Hillary Clinton and her supporters... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #76
So you admit you're using my rights to score points for past slights. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #79
I am applauding an endorsement from a progressive group DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #82
Downthread one of your associates is accusing Douglas Carpenter of not supporting PP. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #83
I am going to correct him or her now. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #88
This is a teachable moment Lordquinton Jan 2016 #245
I didn't lecture anybody. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #247
That has to be one of the most blatantly misogynist posts I have seen on DU this primary. ieoeja Jan 2016 #257
I support late term abortions where the mother's life is NOT in jeopardy also. uppityperson Jan 2016 #114
I will defer to you. I prefer to give folks as much autonomy over their own bodies as possible./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #130
As a man, Glamrock Jan 2016 #132
And I thank you for your support - you get it. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #133
Thank me mum Glamrock Jan 2016 #141
Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Jan 2016 #34
Didn't you once say you trusted Trump more than Bernie? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #36
Ha!! :-D (Sarcasm tags are lame. Either you get it, or you don't.) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #59
Sure it was sarcasm, that's why you deleted almost all of your posts instead of editing them. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #282
Holy crap. Somebody is working way too hard at Hill-turf Inc. I can't think of any other reasonable Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #145
She praised Trump for being "honest". beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #146
LOL. You were asking me for links yesterday, yet here R B Garr Jan 2016 #273
Wow, that's quite a story. Do you write other fan fiction too? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #276
So only you can spam links everywhere and not call R B Garr Jan 2016 #278
It's disturbing how you follow me from thread to thread. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #279
Explain why you were asking me for the very links R B Garr Jan 2016 #284
"stashed away"? Wow you are really out there and more than a little obsessed with me. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #286
Explain why you using links to attack people R B Garr Jan 2016 #290
... beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #292
So you admit you have no explanation for R B Garr Jan 2016 #300
Yikes! I hope you're not going to charge me rent for taking up space in your head. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #301
It's all in the post count, though. R B Garr Jan 2016 #307
It's the least I can do for my Number One Fan. Anything to keep you placated. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #309
Anything to not explain why you asked me for R B Garr Jan 2016 #311
Beat piece of unintentional humor today nt arely staircase Jan 2016 #128
For once we agree on something. William769 Jan 2016 #187
You mean the essay about gender stereotypes? Thanks for proving my point! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #188
And I'm the Pope. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #37
No it isn't. The title implies that you have to be an HRC supporter to "stand with PP". Ken Burch Jan 2016 #74
All kinds of calumnies are perpetuated on Hillary Clinton and my friends here. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #159
It's not a "calumny" to point out that ALL Democratic candidates are just as pro-choice as HRC. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #175
I wasn't referring to that... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #182
That has nothing to do with making the false equation of support for PP equalling support for HRC. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #192
This is interesting. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #194
Given Hillary's support for some restrictions on abortion versus Bernie's "none of our business"... ieoeja Jan 2016 #258
Bull. It's ugly. And I don't cotton to anyone with a penis insinuating cali Jan 2016 #154
Poor Hillary, lol. morningfog Jan 2016 #210
You can mock me all you want. I am used to it here... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #213
Thanks for your permission. morningfog Jan 2016 #214
I don't want a hide and be put on a time out like so many of my friends. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #217
Step up. Speak your mind. Quit pussy footing around like you have shit to say. morningfog Jan 2016 #218
I have to be so careful here because I don't want a hide. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #220
Oh you poor thing. A victim now. morningfog Jan 2016 #221
On this board, yes, but not in real life. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #223
In real life, no one is enough of an asshole to morningfog Jan 2016 #227
I asked an innocuous question... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #228
A bunch of silly board war nonsense. So petty, so trite. morningfog Jan 2016 #235
Would you like being accused of something you are not? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #237
You got hurt feelings so you put the chum on the hooks. morningfog Jan 2016 #253
"When in Greece, do like the Greeks." DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #254
That isn't a hard one to understand. And the inverse is true. morningfog Jan 2016 #255
What do you call people who decry the behavior... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #256
Typical tribal DUers. morningfog Jan 2016 #261
I respect your candor./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #269
yep Kali Jan 2016 #89
Me, as well. I want Bernie but I think PP's announcement is great. CTyankee Jan 2016 #131
Ditto n/t Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #181
This is a deeply foolish endorsement, and I'd think the same if it had come for Sanders. Kentonio Jan 2016 #3
agreed, and I'd have felt that way if they had endorsed Sanders n/t zazen Jan 2016 #26
They might be among those who think Bernie doesn't have as good a chance in the general. pnwmom Jan 2016 #155
PP need the unwavering backing of every liberally minded person Kentonio Jan 2016 #164
My sentiments exactly. hay rick Jan 2016 #226
100%. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #4
Please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "do we stand with Planned Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #7
110%. Always stand with Planned Parenthood. When my daughter didn't have insirance, they were BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #9
I think ensuring every child is wanted and planned for is a goal we can all get behind./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #12
My apologies for my horribly written post (so many typos!) but yes, ensuring that every child is BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #20
Dumb move, Cecile. immoderate Jan 2016 #11
I agree. mnhtnbb Jan 2016 #14
And yet she isnt dumb, at all. None of her moves are dumb, but this one and ONLY this one, right? randys1 Jan 2016 #103
I see no strategic or tactical gain. Do you? immoderate Jan 2016 #106
Huh? PP making a tactical loss or gain? What? PP saves lives, they dont do politics other than randys1 Jan 2016 #112
How does this facilitate their survival? immoderate Jan 2016 #122
Surely you jest. So you think Women are in danger with terrorist teapartiers and Hillary randys1 Jan 2016 #123
I think you are not making sense. immoderate Jan 2016 #126
Cool story, but if they "don't do politics", then why are you responding in a thread about them DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #283
Why do you go out of your way to attack liberals who support the Democratic Party? randys1 Jan 2016 #291
I don't, but last I checked, there was a question to you pending, not to me. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #295
What was the question? randys1 Jan 2016 #297
Your question is not sincere. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #299
No, yours is not sincere, I have NO idea what the question was. But if you are purposely randys1 Jan 2016 #302
Yes, I've been a terrible person for a long time. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #304
It is a ridiculous question. Makes no sense at all randys1 Jan 2016 #306
Actually, I was trying to get an answer from you. I'll stop doing that--it's not productive. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #308
AGain, you are making a ridiculous statement. I copy and pasted what I said, randys1 Jan 2016 #310
Can we please get to your question--the one I'm avoiding? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #312
Hillary famously keeps lists of supporters, opponents and neutrals. ieoeja Jan 2016 #259
Yes. Planned Parenthood should stay politically neutral sarge43 Jan 2016 #147
Not sure any Republican needs an excuse to gut PP Sheepshank Jan 2016 #225
interesting play on words restorefreedom Jan 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #16
i just hate to see smart and passionate people restorefreedom Jan 2016 #21
Yes, it's all a game to some folks. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #25
It is an innocuous poll. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #24
polls are fine. but the wording is unfairly suggestive restorefreedom Jan 2016 #31
I will eschew the highfalutin language and just use colloquialisms. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #47
"why begrudge me some fun" beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #63
ouch. on point, though. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #204
The op is pitting women against each other for "fun". beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #207
irony certainly has its place, restorefreedom Jan 2016 #208
Yeah it's disappointing. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #209
we have to remember, as bernie said on larry wilmore last night restorefreedom Jan 2016 #215
hey, no highfalutin stuff from me, just a regular poliwonk here restorefreedom Jan 2016 #78
How male. Having fun over abortion. SHAME cali Jan 2016 #157
Upthread explains to a woman why restrictions on abortion is good then calls it "a teachable moment" ieoeja Jan 2016 #260
Truly. cali Jan 2016 #263
Innocuous and fun. That's how you see this? progressoid Jan 2016 #270
There was nothing innocuous and fun about... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #271
+1 cui bono Jan 2016 #201
and seeing how bernie has been a CHAMPION of women's issues of health and fairness, restorefreedom Jan 2016 #206
It frames the problem, perfectly. If she is the nominee, you either stand with PP or you dont randys1 Jan 2016 #108
She is not currently the nominee; that is why everyone here has a problem with the poll. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #134
The poll is obnoxious and meant to cause this reaction, for sure. randys1 Jan 2016 #137
Sure, no question. Since we're in primary season that hardly seems the point now though. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #139
She's not the nominee. It doesn't frame anything perfectly at all. cui bono Jan 2016 #203
I almost agree with you, therefore, IF Bernie is NOT the nominee, do you STAND with PP? randys1 Jan 2016 #267
I'll always stand with PP and I will keep donating to them. And... cui bono Jan 2016 #275
Planned Parenthood's own reasons okasha Jan 2016 #166
its not unreasonable restorefreedom Jan 2016 #179
Absolutely, positively 150% or so. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #15
That is absolutely massive. Absolutely huge Number23 Jan 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #23
Oh darn, Clinton will be beholden to Planned Parenthood for their support. Hoyt Jan 2016 #27
Well they are Oligarchs after all.../s comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #91
Geez I know we all want all the endorsements for our candidates msrizzo Jan 2016 #30
This is a major endorsement Gothmog Jan 2016 #32
Again, please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "Do we stand with Planned Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #33
Stop trying to wiggle out of the question. Do you stand with Planned Parenthood? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #38
Again, please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "Do we stand with Planned Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #41
Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work. Do you stand with them? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #45
I stand with Planned Parenthood. Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #50
So, how did you vote? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #60
I voted pass. Because, it was unclear to me what was the question? Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #73
You passed on supporting Planned Parenthood? Are we on a Democratic site? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #81
What is the question and please stop playing dumb? Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #84
Let us join in saying Mr. Carpenter should be free to answer any way he wants. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #95
Thank you and that is correct in what you said. Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #99
Folks are free to answer my poll any way they want. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #100
It is an obnoxious question, I will give you that. But it does frame an issue in a way I randys1 Jan 2016 #127
Are you seriously harassing him for not voting as you want on an unclear poll which you refuse to uppityperson Jan 2016 #120
Alright, enough is enough. Maedhros Jan 2016 #152
What do you mean, "stand with"? Where are they standing? They aren't in my livingroom uppityperson Jan 2016 #119
Getting clarification on what one is answering is now "trying to wiggle out"? cui bono Jan 2016 #200
He's been playing passive aggressive with these endorsment polls all week. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #49
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #58
+ a whole bunch cali Jan 2016 #160
That's his tro-- schtick. morningfog Jan 2016 #211
This is huge news. If Bernie got this endorsement, his supporters would be crowing and ecstatic. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #35
I wouldn't be crowing or ecstatic, I'd be just as angry as I am right now. Kentonio Jan 2016 #70
Yes, and No DFW Jan 2016 #39
Your heart is with Hillary, but you just don't want to disappoint Jim Dean. I get it. nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #43
That's not Fair. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #54
Ok, maybe it's unfair, but I just wish he finally choose a side. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #62
I strongly support HRC, but I get that some people like them both equally, more or less. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #68
I understand your sentiments, but request my neutrality be respected DFW Jan 2016 #313
I forgot to thank you for this DFW Jan 2016 #315
My heart is still with Howard. Get that. DFW Jan 2016 #69
Dr. Dean must be a great man to have earned such loyalty from you./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #104
Howard is a personal friend. It's not my place to tell anyone else to call him great just for that. DFW Jan 2016 #222
I stand with Planned Parenthood on everything except their Hillary endorsement.nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #42
+1000 -- Exactly!! Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #46
It's a simple pool. There is no need to qualify your answer. How did you vote? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #48
I'm surprised you didn't know you can check for yourself uppityperson Jan 2016 #125
Wow, Thank you. I never knew this. Thanks again :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #136
Of course there is a need to qualify your answer. Unless you want to make Bernie supporters look bad cui bono Jan 2016 #205
Me too. NT Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #138
+100 to the 10th power!. Eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #234
I support the mission and purpose of Planned Parenthood, but you are simply being disingenuous here tularetom Jan 2016 #51
I support the mission and purpose of Planned Parenthood. Period. yallerdawg Jan 2016 #75
Why do you ask? n/t fredamae Jan 2016 #53
This is BIG!! That really says a LOT!! ~ Congratulations to Hillary! She's got MY vote!! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #55
Bad plan. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #56
Super News! Gamecock Lefty Jan 2016 #65
You don't have to support PP's endorsement of the conservative candidate to stand with PP. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #67
wtf do u mean do I stand with them? 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #71
You are free to start your own poll. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #86
Bernie says ypu shouldn't drown kittens. Do you stand with him 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #92
I stand with him in that instance, without reservation. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #96
yet you still can't see why this type of post is silly? 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #98
This post is another attempt to badger people into supporting Hillary mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #72
You nailed it, exactly. djean111 Jan 2016 #77
And this adds fuel to the argument that people are only voting for Hillary mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #85
+1000000 azmom Jan 2016 #144
This is a Huge Endorsement sheshe2 Jan 2016 #80
This is huge for me. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #90
This is a fantastic endorsement for Hillary! leftofcool Jan 2016 #94
First endorsement ever shows the importance of having a Democrat in the WH. oasis Jan 2016 #97
That's a big deal for Planned Parenthood to endorse. tammywammy Jan 2016 #101
Yes! Donated $300 to PP and $750 to Bernie Sanders central scrutinizer Jan 2016 #107
Nope. n/t MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #118
More bullying mansplaining from you. Ugh. cali Jan 2016 #113
I do not. el_bryanto Jan 2016 #115
I don't think you are a bad Democrat! MoonRiver Jan 2016 #121
Wow! mcar Jan 2016 #116
Hell yeah! arely staircase Jan 2016 #117
Wow! That's awesome! Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #124
Miss Ann's daughter. okasha Jan 2016 #171
And she kicked all the ass in the PP hearings this year. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #177
I stand with Planned Parenthood but I am a Bernie supporter. Whatever. jillan Jan 2016 #140
I Stand With Planned Parenthood. I don't stand with this decision. liberalnarb Jan 2016 #142
I stand with Planned Parenthood and Bernie Sanders. Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #143
K&R one_voice Jan 2016 #148
another Rovian push poll. Yes to PP. Yes to Bernie. Yes to Hillary if she is the eventual nominee NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #149
what an insulting question stupidicus Jan 2016 #150
I hope there is a feed where we can watch on Sunday. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #151
Great endorsement treestar Jan 2016 #163
I voted yes because I support Planned Parenthood lovemydog Jan 2016 #170
I am amazed at some of the comments in this thread, such as Planned Parenthood should remain still_one Jan 2016 #173
Very telling and somehing we already knew. nt William769 Jan 2016 #174
The right thing to do Gloria Jan 2016 #185
I stand with Planned Parenthood, always have, But not with this endorsement of Hillary. Autumn Jan 2016 #186
Unbelievable that on DU there are 57 who voted "No", no doubt because PP endorsed Clinton. George II Jan 2016 #189
Fail. I voted because of the twisted way the question was asked. I don't stand with her. Ever. cali Jan 2016 #219
Depends what is meant by "no". progressoid Jan 2016 #272
Unbelievable that some people can't understand the difference between standing with an organization cui bono Jan 2016 #197
After perusing comments in this thread, I've come to see how far DU has fallen cui bono Jan 2016 #199
I like you ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #212
I stand with Planned Parenthood's endorsement and underthematrix Jan 2016 #202
I stand with planned parenthood...and Hillary Sheepshank Jan 2016 #216
I'll stand by them but I feel like somebody I've liked just killed somebody and drank a glass... BlueJazz Jan 2016 #229
In fact, I'm changing my monthly donation to NARAL williesgirl Jan 2016 #230
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2016 #231
Women's rights are under assault...maybe having a *woman* as President is more urgent than ever? YoungDemCA Jan 2016 #232
I will ALWAYS stand with Planned Parenthood. Hekate Jan 2016 #236
Wonder if PP will stand w/Bernie Karma13612 Jan 2016 #238
I support Planned Parenthood in the services they provide, but will vote Bernie in primaries. KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #239
Yes! DesertRat Jan 2016 #240
An historic endorsement ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #241
Its not like you're either with HRC or against Planned Parenthood. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #242
But you have to choose, just like Dubya said: you're either with the terrists or agin em. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #243
No TSIAS Jan 2016 #244
Went to bed happy about this. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #246
Hell no! She found the fake videos "disturbing" eridani Jan 2016 #248
I support Planned Parenthood, even if they endorse a corporatist TransitJohn Jan 2016 #249
Cure the 'Bern' 2016 Amimnoch Jan 2016 #251
Silly stuff. Bernie doesn't use weasel words on abortion rights, unlike Hill. cali Jan 2016 #252
Well that is one dumb ass meme. Embarrassing really in its ignorance. morningfog Jan 2016 #262
Why do these non-profit orgs think they have to endorse a candidate? Uben Jan 2016 #264
K&R, great thread! R B Garr Jan 2016 #274
I just sent another contribution to PP Gothmog Jan 2016 #285
IMHO, they had no business making any kind of pledge of support before a primary chosen candidate Proserpina Jan 2016 #303

randys1

(16,286 posts)
87. Wait a minute, you answered NO in the poll but now say you continue to support PP
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

which is great, by the way, but...

Planned Parenthood supports HIllary, so if Bernie loses, do you?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
102. And.........if Hillary is the candidate, PP will support her, for reasons I should not have
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jan 2016

to go into.

What will really piss some of us off is if we have to suffer the behaviour of those who stayed home and pouted in 2010, if they do it again.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
110. Stop making such absurd allegations. I am the LEAST loyal person here when it comes to
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

any political party.

I am loyal to the lives that will be LOST if the terrorist teaparty takes the WH.

Sorry if that bothers you...

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
298. oddly, I didn't see the word "obfuscation" in yours...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

...which was nonetheless manifestly obfuscatory. Neat how that works, isn't it?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
165. Don't I dare...what?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jan 2016

I voted for a woman for president in 2012. A woman very much against killing women....even Iraqi or Afghan women.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
169. Keep pretending that a 3rd party vote doesnt actually count as a vote for murderous anti Woman
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

assholes, you can lie to yourself, but you cant lie to me.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
172. Basic math.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jan 2016

0 - 0 = 0

You seem to assume that if I vote 3rd party that Hillary will lose a vote. No she won't.

0 - 0 = 0

You seem to assume that if I vote 3rd party a Republican will gain a vote. No he/she won't.

Did Jill Stein lose a vote because you voted for Obama?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
224. You said it. You said it as if there is only one candidate who stands up for women's reproductive ri
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

randys1

(16,286 posts)
250. I said only one candidate supports Women, only one of our two? I said that? Prove it or
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jan 2016

retract it.

I said, and have said, that OUR CANDIDATES do and we must support THEM

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
184. I notice you only support hillary and do not say Democrats and
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jan 2016

Also purposely did not say Republicans are the ones you are talking about. It is plenty clear of your meaning, sad.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
288. Cant be clear since my meaning is GOP and that was my meaning the other 2000 times I have
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jan 2016

said this sigh

randys1

(16,286 posts)
289. Everyone who isnt trying to create a non issue knows who I am talking about
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jan 2016

You all may dislike me for my liberal positions, but you damn sure know what they are by now

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
293. nope, just be
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jan 2016

Specific. You seem to not be and expect everyone to be able to read your mind. But you are very clear about Hillary.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
296. You can continue to blame everyone who has pointed this out to you.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016

Or you could realize there was a better way to say what you set out to say.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
265. Why do you people misquote me on purpose? WHen I am talking about the GOP why
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jan 2016

do you pretend I am talking about Bernie.

Do you have that little respect for Bernie that you think someone like me would say that about him?

You are doing him a disfavor in ways you clearly cant see.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
266. Nah, never said ANYTHING remotely close to that, but your friends are twisting my words
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jan 2016

hoping someone can get me banned.

I dont blame them, true Bernie supporters like me do not fit in around here.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
277. I don't think anyone is trying to get you banned. Look at the structure of your sentence
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jan 2016

and what/who you chose to include and leave out. We are in a primary, so the people you would be choosing between who are viable at this point (sorry O'Malley) are Hillary and Bernie. Now if you had specified the general election then we would know you are talking about the GOP, but you didn't. So since the next vote is between Bernie and Hillary, your sentence structure and information provided leaves Bernie as the person who kills women.

.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
280. Could be that the other poster is not a goddamned simpleton, and realizes life is nuanced.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jan 2016

But that's just a guess on my part.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
10. Strong women rock.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jan 2016

Strong women rock. In a cruel twist of fate my mom and I were both raised by widows, me from when I was fourteen years old, my mom from when she was nine months old.

I regret you dislike me, though.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
17. I prefer the candidate who was always 100% pro-choice - Bernie trusts women.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary supported a ban on late term abortions and pandered to anti-choice activists.

My mother taught me never to trust people who betray you for personal gain.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
19. Her position strikes me as reasonable
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jan 2016
CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.


http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm



Even the Supreme Court placed limits on when in the gestation period a legal abortion can occur.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. Of course it does.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jan 2016

As a man you'll never have to make that decision so it seems reasonable to leave it up to politicians instead of women and their doctors.

And "partial birth abortion" is a right wing term.

Disgusting.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
28. So, you, me, and Hillary are sympatico
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jan 2016
CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.


http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm



However, in that vein , what I italicized, even SCOTUS in Roe V Wade places limits on when abortions can occur.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. No, we're not. I trust women not politicians to make our own decisions.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

Posting that quote doesn't prove anything except that she'll say anything to get elected.

And that you're tone deaf.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
40. She said she supports late term abortions where the mother's life is in jeopardy.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jan 2016

She said she supports late term abortions where the mother's life or the ability to have children in the future is in jeopardy.

However Roe V Wade never conferred a right to a third trimester abortion for any reason.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. You can stop lecturing me about abortions now.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jan 2016

This is the second time this week you've used my rights to score points on DU, we're done.

Afaic you've proven what's more important to you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
52. I am not lecturing you.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jan 2016

This is a teachable moment. Imagine you like the Clintons and you see them trashed here on a daily basis. Empathy! How would you feel? And the ironic thing is I didn't trash anybody in this thread.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
57. You just said this was "fun".
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jan 2016

There is a war on women going on and you're exploiting the issue here for sport.

Damn right it's a teachable moment.

I learned quite a bit about your character this week.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
64. It is fun to tout HRC's endorsements from other progressives.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jan 2016

It is fun to tout HRC's endorsements from other progressives and progressive groups. It is fun to know that you are not alone. It is fun to post positive things about Hillary Clinton to balance out all the negative things that are posted about her here.

I have a stellar character. If you believe otherwise there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.




DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
76. And all the threads that denigrate Hillary Clinton and her supporters...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

And all the threads that denigrate Hillary Clinton and her supporters are they positive?

My favorite (sic) thread was the thread that stated Clinton supporters were Harper supporters despite their loud and impassioned protestations they weren't. Did you take umbrage at that?



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
79. So you admit you're using my rights to score points for past slights.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

Glad you cleared that up.

Like I said, a teaching moment.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
82. I am applauding an endorsement from a progressive group
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jan 2016

I am applauding an endorsement from a progressive group. It lets me know I'm not alone, I'm not a crypto-Republican, not a corporatist, not a Turd Wayer, not a paid by the post hack, or any of the pejoratives hurled at me and my friends on this board.


I/we have feelings. We hurt. We bleed. We feel bad when we are insulted.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
83. Downthread one of your associates is accusing Douglas Carpenter of not supporting PP.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016

Because he won't vote in your poll, that's exactly what you had in mind when you posted it.

I'm glad you're enjoying yourself while others are having their motives impugned for not participating.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
88. I am going to correct him or her now.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

It would nice to see Clinton supporters on this board treated with the same respect.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
245. This is a teachable moment
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:57 AM
Jan 2016

This is you, a man, trying to lecture a woman on her rights. That is like if you were a whate person trying to lecture a POC on their rights.

You are the one that needs to sit down and learn from a woman with way more experience in this issue than either of us. I've learned a lot from BMUS and other women here about their issues. Not ours, theirs.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
247. I didn't lecture anybody.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jan 2016

Mea culpa, mea culpa, ...mea culpa...I take instruction on reproductive issues from Planned Parenthood. That is why I started this thread. I am delighted with their work. I am delighted with their endorsement. If they give Ms. Clinton their seal of approval it's good enough for me.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
257. That has to be one of the most blatantly misogynist posts I have seen on DU this primary.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jan 2016

Mansplaining why we should put restrictions on abortion to the little lady then turning around and calling it "a teachable moment"?!? WTF?

uppityperson

(115,697 posts)
114. I support late term abortions where the mother's life is NOT in jeopardy also.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

Doctors do not do late term abortions "for any reason" but there are certainly reasons beyond the life of the pregnant woman. By limiting it to that, a great disservice is done.

Glamrock

(11,809 posts)
132. As a man,
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

I have never thought those decisions should be up to anyone but the woman who's pregnant. I can't count the number of times I've told other dudes that until they can carry a child, they shouldn't even have a fucking opinion on the matter.

I realize you weren't speaking to me, just sticking up for my gender. We're not all misogynistic bastards you know.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
133. And I thank you for your support - you get it.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

Without our male allies we wouldn't be where we are now, and we need you to stand by us in the future.


Glamrock

(11,809 posts)
141. Thank me mum
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jan 2016

I was raised/schooled catholic. I must have been in 3rd or 4th grade when the brainwashing began. I remember coming home just horrified, "they're killing babies!" "That's not entirely true, and you are to young to understand the conversation", she said. Little Ole me just went, "oh, ok". I mean, if Mom isn't freaked out about it, why should i be? And then the little baby feet pin we were given at school was put in a drawer never to be seen again.

For the record, it didn't necessarily change my opinion at the time, but her words kept their words from solidifying into part of me personality and belief system. I was able to mature and actually think about the issue and form my own opinion. I guess you could say she put the brakes on my indoctrination.

As far as standing by a woman's choice in the future? Always have, always will.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. Didn't you once say you trusted Trump more than Bernie?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016
NurseJackie

239. Bernie is worse in my opinion. (Good thing I won't have to vote for either one, eh?)

I was considering Bernie, but his short fuse and anger worry me. I wouldn't feel safe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=852163


That tells me all I need to know about you.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
59. Ha!! :-D (Sarcasm tags are lame. Either you get it, or you don't.)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jan 2016
That tells me all I need to know about you.
That tells me all I need to know about you too!


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
61. Sure it was sarcasm, that's why you deleted almost all of your posts instead of editing them.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jan 2016

Too bad you forgot that one.

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #59)

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
145. Holy crap. Somebody is working way too hard at Hill-turf Inc. I can't think of any other reasonable
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

explanation for that.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
273. LOL. You were asking me for links yesterday, yet here
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

you are posting the very links you were asking me for.

I knew you saved all the threads about Bernie's Republican support. You acted confused yesterday... How dishonest to ask for links when you spam them everywhere. Busted again.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
276. Wow, that's quite a story. Do you write other fan fiction too?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jan 2016

I knew you saved all the threads about Bernie's Republican support


Psssst!

Do you want to know how I "save" links? It's really complicated so pay attention, see I'm on my mobile so since it's not convenient to save thousand of bookmarks here's what I do!

Now quit stalking me, it's more than a little creepy although I am super flattered!

I've had to deal with real life stalkers so if you want to intimidate me you'll have to try another tactic.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
278. So only you can spam links everywhere and not call
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jan 2016

it stalking? Explain how that works.

The point is the antics of asking for links as a deflection when you have them already. You used a link here to attack NurseJ, yet you were asking me for the same link. You have 8000 posts in 90 days, so its hard to avoid your obsession with certain posters here.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
279. It's disturbing how you follow me from thread to thread.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jan 2016

All these conspiracy theories of yours about links are more than a little weird too.

Seriously if you have issues you really need to find another way to work them out.

Following me around yammering nonsense about saving links and looking at my profile constanly is not healthy.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
284. Explain why you were asking me for the very links
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

you used here to attack NurseJ. Why would you ask me for links when we both know you have them stashed away.

Explain why you have MaggieD's threads saved and use them to attack people.

Explain why you only you can use your saved links to attack people and it's not called stalking.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
286. "stashed away"? Wow you are really out there and more than a little obsessed with me.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016

If you don't know how to use Google to find links then educate yourself, don't make up weird conspiracy theories about evil masterminds on DU.

That's just whack.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
290. Explain why you using links to attack people
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jan 2016

isn't stalking when you do it.

No one has to look at your profile to see your posts when every thread here is filled with them. Nothing wrong with noticing the obvious.

At least we've cleared up your phony exercise of asking me for links when you clearly already have them Busted again.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
300. So you admit you have no explanation for
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jan 2016

asking me for links you already have except to post childish cartoons. Got it.

And you have no explanation as to why it's not stalking when you attack people with your many saved links. Got it.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
307. It's all in the post count, though.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

Remember I brought that up several posts ago.

Nice cartoons! Thanks for your devotion to Googling them with me in mind. How special you take the time.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
311. Anything to not explain why you asked me for
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

links you already have.

And anything to not explain why you attacking people with your many saved links is not stalking.

I would be posting cartoons too if I were you since explaining would show lack of credibility on your part.


William769

(55,714 posts)
187. For once we agree on something.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jan 2016

I also won't support someone that writes a rape essay and can't stand anyone who would support such a person.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
188. You mean the essay about gender stereotypes? Thanks for proving my point!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jan 2016

Men who exploit women's issues to score points are no friends of mine.


 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
74. No it isn't. The title implies that you have to be an HRC supporter to "stand with PP".
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie has never been halfhearted on any issues involving women and reproductive choice.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
159. All kinds of calumnies are perpetuated on Hillary Clinton and my friends here.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jan 2016

All kinds of calumnies are perpetuated on Hillary Clinton and my friends here. The front page is replete with them. Just call DemocratSinceBirth the balance.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
175. It's not a "calumny" to point out that ALL Democratic candidates are just as pro-choice as HRC.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

Or to call cowshit on the idea that you have to support HRC to "stand with Planned Parenthood".

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
182. I wasn't referring to that...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jan 2016

I would cite all the calumnies but I don't want a hide. My friends and I have been called crypto-republicans, Turd Wayers, race baiters, homophobes, and other pejoratives and when some of us have deigned to defend ourselves we have had our posts hidden.

I am just the balance.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
192. That has nothing to do with making the false equation of support for PP equalling support for HRC.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jan 2016

And most of what has been said about your candidate was simply fair comment. Compared to what every Clinton supporter NEW was the false accusation that Bernie didn't care about institutional racism(he had been fighting it his whole life), the comments about your candidate were trivial.

Your candidate never deserved special deference.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
194. This is interesting.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jan 2016

Attacks on Clinton and her supporters here are justified. Attacks on Sanders are never justified* .My favorite was the thread with over two hundred recommends that said Clinton supporters were Harper supporters and were disappointed when Trudeau's Liberal party won. Whenever a Clinton supporter decried the charge that was just taken as cause for glee because the accusation hurt.

I started a poll and not one Clinton supporter supported Harper. Speaking for myself I would rather have a stick of dynamite inserted into my rectal cavity and set off than to vote for any right of center party. But that is what my friends and i have to put up with on this board.

I'm the balance.




*I rarely, rarely, rarely... rarely attack Senator Sanders. I'm too busy touting my candidate. I just wanted to make it clear.





 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
258. Given Hillary's support for some restrictions on abortion versus Bernie's "none of our business"...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jan 2016

I wouldn't say he is "just" as pro-choice as HRC. He has proven to be "more" pro-choice than HRC who says we must find common ground with abortion opponents. Presumably that common ground is shaming women who have abortions since she does engage in that particular abomination.


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
154. Bull. It's ugly. And I don't cotton to anyone with a penis insinuating
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

that if you don't support Hillary, you don't really support abortion rights.

Mansplaining.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
217. I don't want a hide and be put on a time out like so many of my friends.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

I don't want a hide and be put on a time out like so many of my friends here. If you can recommend another venue on the internet where we can speak freely I will be more than happy to have the tête-à-tête you seek with me.


Thank you in advance.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
218. Step up. Speak your mind. Quit pussy footing around like you have shit to say.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jan 2016

It's passive agression nonsense. Put up or shut up.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
220. I have to be so careful here because I don't want a hide.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jan 2016

I speak my mind in real life where it counts and where I can't be silenced.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
223. On this board, yes, but not in real life.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

In real life you can't insult and disrespect someone, get him upset, and when he responds in kind you can't alert on him and have him silenced, am I right?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
227. In real life, no one is enough of an asshole to
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

suggest I am with PP or against them based on their endorsement. That would be insulting, offensive and dishonest. I wouldn't expect it and I bet you wouldn't do it. You quest for victimhood on a message board is sad and misplaced.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
228. I asked an innocuous question...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

This is the third time I am alluding to a thread that explicitly stated that Clinton supporters were also Harper supporters and were disappointed that Trudeau's Liberal party won. When a Clinton supporter earnestly decried the charge it was met with glee because the original poster made them upset. If my memory is correct it had hundreds of recommends.

That was magnitudes worse than my lil poll and the Recommends let me know what the people who recommended it think of me and my friends.

I am just providing balance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
237. Would you like being accused of something you are not?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jan 2016

X-"DemocratSinceBirth, you are a Harper supporter and are disappointed Trudeau won."

DemocratSinceBirth- "Of course I supported Trudeau."

X-"Ha Ha Ha, you're mad,"


Anybody is going to be upset...


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
254. "When in Greece, do like the Greeks."
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jan 2016
"When in Greece, do like the Greeks."

-DemocratSinceBirth



This is about the third lecture on internet etiquette I have been given in this thread. It got me to thinking why these lecturers don't have the same umbrage for the behavior they are lecturing me about when it is exhibited by those they agree with.


SMH
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
255. That isn't a hard one to understand. And the inverse is true.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jan 2016

You set out flamebait to a targeted group, you get flames from that group. It's kind of a "no shit" idea, you reap what you sow.

No need to shake your head, it's basic stuff.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
256. What do you call people who decry the behavior...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

What do you call people who decry the real or perceived misbehavior of those they disagree with while ignoring the perceived or real misbehavior of those they agree with ?

CTyankee

(64,189 posts)
131. Me, as well. I want Bernie but I think PP's announcement is great.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

one in five American women have used PP for their care in their lifetimes. That is one boatload of women, folks, and if we mobilize them to vote in the 2016 elections, it will have a HUGE effect.

VOTE!

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
3. This is a deeply foolish endorsement, and I'd think the same if it had come for Sanders.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jan 2016

PP is far too deeply endangered right now to be risking any kind of ostracizing of liberal supporters. They have the backing of damn near everyone in the party, so why on earth do something like this? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

pnwmom

(109,230 posts)
155. They might be among those who think Bernie doesn't have as good a chance in the general.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

I know that's not what his many fans here think, but many others do.

We know what they'll be throwing at Hillary, and she's withstood all of it time after time. With him, it will be a new experience.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
164. PP need the unwavering backing of every liberally minded person
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jan 2016

By getting involved in internal Democratic contests like this, they run the very real risk of tarnishing their image with some Dems, right at the time when we need to unify behind them the most. I hope to hell it doesn't cause any damage, but I fear it will, and that's what makes me angry. What they do is too damn important to put at risk.

hay rick

(7,910 posts)
226. My sentiments exactly.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

I support Planned Parenthood's mission but this is reckless and irresponsible behavior on the part of their leadership. I believe that the no pre-primary endorsement strategy towers over all the other available options and the Clinton endorsement is a demonstration of incompetence.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
7. Please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "do we stand with Planned
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

Parenthood in general?" Or do you mean, "do we support Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Secretary Clinton?"

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
9. 110%. Always stand with Planned Parenthood. When my daughter didn't have insirance, they were
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jan 2016

the place to go for her.

I'm so happy they endorse my preferred candidate!

and rec'd

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
20. My apologies for my horribly written post (so many typos!) but yes, ensuring that every child is
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016

wanted and planned for is a noble goal we should ALL stand behind.

I'm excited that PP's first endorsement ever, is for a woman who's fought for women and children all throughout her political career. They made the best choice.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
112. Huh? PP making a tactical loss or gain? What? PP saves lives, they dont do politics other than
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jan 2016

what they have to do to survive.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
283. Cool story, but if they "don't do politics", then why are you responding in a thread about them
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jan 2016

...doing politics?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
297. What was the question?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

I know it cant POSSIBLY be was I referring to voting for Hillary and not Bernie because I believe Bernie wants to kill Women

So what was it?

Since I have NEVER said I was voting for Hillary, in the first place.

this is bullshit...you can all just have a nice fucking day, sick of this shit

and BERNIE is the one losing out when you do this shit

randys1

(16,286 posts)
302. No, yours is not sincere, I have NO idea what the question was. But if you are purposely
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jan 2016

not repeating something horribly offensive, knowing god damn full well my position, then smart on you


BTW, this harms Bernie, a lot.

Really does.

It goes on here all day long, is going on out in the real world.

3-5 Months ago I was actively and daily telling people about Bernie in a very excited way, much of that excitement has worn off given the terrible way certain people are acting.

It is this sick and twisted idea of Bernie or bust that I get from many folks here, really really sick and twisted, especially since Bernie would NEVER approve.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
304. Yes, I've been a terrible person for a long time.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

Still, the question posed IN THE SUBJECT LINE of #283 stands.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
306. It is a ridiculous question. Makes no sense at all
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jan 2016

You said this

Cool story, but if they "don't do politics", then why are you responding in a thread about them

...doing politics?


in response to what I said

12. Huh? PP making a tactical loss or gain? What? PP saves lives, they dont do politics other than

what they have to do to survive.


I couldnt have been more clearer, you are now just trying to avoid the real question in this thread, not question but the allegation here that ANY of you could have for one SECOND thought I meant Bernie was the one who wanted to kill Women

You ALL know that is total BULLSHIT,
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
308. Actually, I was trying to get an answer from you. I'll stop doing that--it's not productive.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jan 2016

You don't know me if you think I try to avoid questions. I'm not afraid of your questions, and I don't shy away from them. Don't try to imprint your ways on me; I'm not you.

Now that we've established that you're not going to answer my question, go ahead with this burning question that I'm running away from. You'll get a straight answer--not because you deserve it, but because I'm going to show you how straight answers are given. Fire away.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
310. AGain, you are making a ridiculous statement. I copy and pasted what I said,
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

everyone can read it, that you even bothered to use that comment of mine to try and make an argument, is revealing.

I expect this treatment elsewhere, not on an alleged liberal message board.


Oh wait, maybe you disagree with the comment you seem to have so much trouble with, which was




Huh? PP making a tactical loss or gain? What? PP saves lives, they dont do politics other than

what they have to do to survive.


Which part of my comment, that you have so much trouble with, do you disagree with?
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
312. Can we please get to your question--the one I'm avoiding?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016

Planned Parenthood just "did" politics, as is their right. But to say they don't do politics is just incorrect. Please do move on to the burning question you've said I'm avoiding.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
259. Hillary famously keeps lists of supporters, opponents and neutrals.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jan 2016

Should she get elected those neutrals will find themselves out in the cold.

On the other hand, Bernie's PP and pro-choice support has been absolute and unwavering. And he does not take politics personally. So there is no downside in supporting Hillary over Bernie, but there is in remaining neutral.

sarge43

(28,973 posts)
147. Yes. Planned Parenthood should stay politically neutral
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

This just gives more ammunition to the Repugs.

I'd say the same if she had come out for Sanders.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
225. Not sure any Republican needs an excuse to gut PP
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jan 2016

BUT Planned Parenthood has a voice, to try and encourage Democrats to vote for the likely most probable POTUS. There are a lot of people who understand the issues, and appeasing Republicans really isn't it.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
13. interesting play on words
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jan 2016

ALL dem candidates strongly support pp
PP chose to endorse one candidate for its own reasons, that is their choice but
one can support the mission of pp AND support ANY of dem candidates.

the insinuation that by supporting Om or sanders, one is not "standing with" pp is false and unfair.

C'mon, DSB. you don't need to waste your time with this partisan crap.

Response to restorefreedom (Reply #13)

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
21. i just hate to see smart and passionate people
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jan 2016

get bogged down in this crap. we can disagree without playing funky word games with the truth

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
24. It is an innocuous poll.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

And as I upthread it's an antidote to all the invective and vitriol hurled at Ms. Clinton on the board.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. polls are fine. but the wording is unfairly suggestive
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jan 2016

endorsing or supporting hrc is not a requirement to "stand with" pp, all the dems stand with them.

a simple "what do you think" could have kicked off a discussion without suggestiong that the supporters of sanders and om are not with pp, just my two cents.

as far as the vitriol, there is certainly too much to go around, in all directions, imo

have a nice day, dsb!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
47. I will eschew the highfalutin language and just use colloquialisms.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jan 2016

With all the crap that HRC and her supporters gets on this board why begrudge me some fun.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
208. irony certainly has its place,
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jan 2016

but since all the dems are on top of this issue, the whole discussion is insane. clearly pp is posturing for favor "when" their candidate gets elected.

they, imo, started the ball rolling of women against women. it won't be a popular opinion, but i am just in that kind of mood to say it.

edit.. and op's like this definitely do not help. agreed.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
215. we have to remember, as bernie said on larry wilmore last night
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

running against the establishment tends to garner enemies and piss people off. i am paraphrasing, but that was clearly the sentiment.

a big hill, and bernie and all of us knew it. but people fricking get up everest and k2 every year. we are gonna do this.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
78. hey, no highfalutin stuff from me, just a regular poliwonk here
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

and there is definitely a lot of crap flying around these days in all directions. only om and his supporters seem to be able to steer clear of it

as for fun, have at it if it works for you! perhaps elaine can kick things off


https://m.



 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
260. Upthread explains to a woman why restrictions on abortion is good then calls it "a teachable moment"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jan 2016

He is hitting bottom of the barrel on this thread.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
271. There was nothing innocuous and fun about...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jan 2016

There was/is nothing innocuous and fun about all the all the attacks on Hillary Clinton and her supporters on this board either. The selective outrage is manifest.



Oh, some times a poll is just a poll.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
206. and seeing how bernie has been a CHAMPION of women's issues of health and fairness,
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

no one will believe it has anything to do with him.

all the dems are on top of this. mistake by pp imo

randys1

(16,286 posts)
137. The poll is obnoxious and meant to cause this reaction, for sure.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jan 2016

But it made it very clear to anyone that it would be very difficult if not impossible to claim you support PP and not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
203. She's not the nominee. It doesn't frame anything perfectly at all.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jan 2016

It is a clear attempt to smear Bernie supporters as anti-PP by asking a loaded question that doesn't not provide context or room for explanation.

.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
275. I'll always stand with PP and I will keep donating to them. And...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

I will always disagree with this endorsement of theirs and pretty much disagree with them making one at all, I think, since it's stated that this is their first ever. It initially gives me the feeling they did it just because Hillary is a woman.

.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
166. Planned Parenthood's own reasons
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure, include.

1. The certain knowledge that any Republican President will sign a bill vetoing PP funding; and

2, A realistic assessment of which Democratic candidate is likely to win the 2016 nomination, and, also likely,

3, A greater trust in a woman President that she will do her damnedest to protect women's reproductive rights rather than "agree to disagree" to court Republicans

This issue is not one on which women's advocates can take a chance.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
179. its not unreasonable
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jan 2016

agree on #1 although i doubt the defunding will stick

disagree on #2 but i understand why they think so

i can understand #3.... any prochoice woman has a visceral connection to the issue that men could not possibly understand. but as male candidates go, bernie and martin are ones i trust completely to do everything hillary would do to protect women's health and rights.

their option to endorse as they see fit..my issue was with the subtle op suggestion that supporting either om or sanders is not standing with pp...they all do imo

Number23

(24,544 posts)
18. That is absolutely massive. Absolutely huge
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jan 2016

And will get alot of attention after the attacks on clinics including the one just a month ago.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

msrizzo

(796 posts)
30. Geez I know we all want all the endorsements for our candidates
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

But Hillary has been out front with her support of Planned Parenthood way more than any of the other candidates. This makes total sense. It is one of her big, key #1 issues. You can't honestly say that about the other two candidates, although they can't be faulted for their support.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
33. Again, please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "Do we stand with Planned
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jan 2016

Parenthood in general?" Or do you mean, "Do we agree with and support Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Secretary Clinton?"

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
41. Again, please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "Do we stand with Planned
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jan 2016

1. Parenthood's in general? Or do you mean?

2. Do we agree with Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Hillary Clinton and also support Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination?"


I agree with Number 1. I support and stand with Planned Parenthood in general.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
50. I stand with Planned Parenthood.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jan 2016

ON a separate issue - I support Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.

Is that good enough?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
73. I voted pass. Because, it was unclear to me what was the question?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

Were we being asked?

A. Do we stand with Planned Parenthood?

or

B. Do we support Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for President?


If someone could simply clarify what they are asking - it would be a lot easier to give an answer.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
84. What is the question and please stop playing dumb?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016

I stand with Planed Parenthood and their mission and support them.

On a completely separate issue - I stand with Senator Sanders for the Democratic Nomination for President of the United States and support him.

There is nothing complicated about that.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
95. Let us join in saying Mr. Carpenter should be free to answer any way he wants.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

As I understand it he stands with Planned Parenthood but not with Hillary Clinton. That's his prerogative.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
100. Folks are free to answer my poll any way they want.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jan 2016

I re-read my question:

In its first endorsement ever, Planned Parenthood endorses Hillary Clinton. Do you stand with them?



It is just as easy to assume it is a loaded question as not.

A simple answer is "I support (stand with) Planned Parenthood but I don't support (stand with) Hillary Clinton.

I would be disingenuous if I didn't say as a HRC supporter I think this is huge. And as to my motivation there are motivations for everything.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
127. It is an obnoxious question, I will give you that. But it does frame an issue in a way I
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jan 2016

had not thought of.

If Hillary is the nominee, either you stand with PP or you dont, not you personally but you know what I mean.

uppityperson

(115,697 posts)
120. Are you seriously harassing him for not voting as you want on an unclear poll which you refuse to
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jan 2016

clarify?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
152. Alright, enough is enough.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jan 2016

People asked for clarification of the question, and your response is "Just answer the question!"?

Your posts have descended into an unintended mockery of yourself.

I encourage everyone to put you on their ignore list, as I am doing, because you present nothing of value in your posts and are clearly just here to antagonize.

Bye.

uppityperson

(115,697 posts)
119. What do you mean, "stand with"? Where are they standing? They aren't in my livingroom
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

so I can't stand with them. I donate money to them, have volunteered with them, worked for similar programs, so stand with their providing services. Or do you mean stand with their endorsement?

Doing a quick look around, nope, still not PP standing in my living room.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
200. Getting clarification on what one is answering is now "trying to wiggle out"?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jan 2016

Why are you being so hostile and accusatory? Surely you understand that context is very important, don't you?

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m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
49. He's been playing passive aggressive with these endorsment polls all week.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jan 2016

anybody who answers no to this slippery poll question is accused of not supporting planned parenthood in general by the Hillary supporters if the person doesn't support planned parenthood's endorsement of Hillary. They are trying to fuse the two different things as one issue. I don't dignify his bullshit by participating in the poll.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
35. This is huge news. If Bernie got this endorsement, his supporters would be crowing and ecstatic.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

So far, Hillary Clinton has gotten the endorsement from NARAL, Emily List, NOW, and Planned Parenthood. Is there any other major pro woman groups out there that haven't endorsed yet?

DFW

(55,357 posts)
39. Yes, and No
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jan 2016

I absolutely stand with Planned Parenthood, and I adore Cecile.

On the other hand, I have not endorsed any candidate with my vote (or promise thereof), and will not do so until I'm good and ready.

Interestingly enough, I just met yesterday with a good friend who happens to be editor of The Nation (I'm in NYC for a few days), which openly supports Bernie. She is good friends with Cecile, who supports (apparently) Hillary. But this just mirrors what I have seen almost everywhere outside of DU: Hillary supporters and Bernie Supporters get along fine and amicably agree to disagree, and universally (again, except on DU) acknowledge that they will support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is. The brutal (un-)civil war of words seems to be confined (thankfully) to the DU teapot.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
62. Ok, maybe it's unfair, but I just wish he finally choose a side.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jan 2016

We and Hillary Clinton could use his support.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
68. I strongly support HRC, but I get that some people like them both equally, more or less.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

I understand where you're coming from though. Always welcome more supporters.

DFW

(55,357 posts)
313. I understand your sentiments, but request my neutrality be respected
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jan 2016

You flatter me by hinting that my voice would actually make a difference on this board.

The problem for me is that neither Bernie nor Hillary has addressed certain issues that concern me greatly, and that is what I have been waiting for before adding my most insignificant of endorsements. Should that not be forthcoming from either of them in the next few months, I will make a decision one way or the other before the Texas primary.

In the meantime, I think Hillary will survive just fine without my expressed support, as will Bernie. If it makes you feel any better, I was banned from the Bernie group for inadvertently posting there. So, anything favorable I would have had to say about Bernie will not be showing up to plague you on DU

DFW

(55,357 posts)
315. I forgot to thank you for this
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

I roll my own way, really don't need to be guided in any particular direction--even been known to think for myself every now and then.

DFW

(55,357 posts)
69. My heart is still with Howard. Get that.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

No one I'm close to or really want is running this time. I'm not sure you get that. Howard was my wish-candidate in 2004, and still is. No one of his caliber has run since. That's why I don't care if Bernie or Hillary wins the nomination. Either way, I don't get my first choice. I can handle that--a lot better than a lot of people on here, I'll bet. I won't yell and scream when my man (or woman) doesn't get the nomination, because I already know it isn't gong to happen.

DFW

(55,357 posts)
222. Howard is a personal friend. It's not my place to tell anyone else to call him great just for that.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

But he HAS earned that loyalty from me, you are quite right. My respect, too. Once I say that about someone, he or she would need to to sink low indeed for me to want to dissolve that friendship or lose that respect. I KNOW a lot of people. I am friends with few.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
205. Of course there is a need to qualify your answer. Unless you want to make Bernie supporters look bad
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jan 2016

I'm guessing by your posts in this thread you are on board with that.

.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
51. I support the mission and purpose of Planned Parenthood, but you are simply being disingenuous here
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jan 2016

IMO, PP has made a serious tactical error by endorsing anyone. They are on very thin ice to begin with, under fire by a large portion of the population and crucified in the mass media. They can ill afford to alienate half of their remaining supporters, particularly by endorsing a candidate who will not hesitate to stab them in the back if it suits her political ambition to do so.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
75. I support the mission and purpose of Planned Parenthood. Period.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jan 2016

I don't give a shit who they endorse.

This seems to be a real problem for Bernie supporters. Frankly, it's a bit scary and off-putting.

Gamecock Lefty

(707 posts)
65. Super News!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

Fortunately all our Dem candidates support choice.

But when NARAL came out a few days ago with their support for Hillary, one of the Bernie posters (I could not reply because I was banned) made a snide remark about NARAL doing it because they felt ‘pressure ‘ to do so! In other words Hillary was making them endorse her or else.

I wonder if that same person will make a comment about this endorsement???

Make American Even Greater – Elect Hillary!!!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
67. You don't have to support PP's endorsement of the conservative candidate to stand with PP.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jan 2016

A Sanders Administration would be just as strong on choice as HRC...more so, in fact, since progressives are almost always more pro-choice than "moderates".

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
71. wtf do u mean do I stand with them?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

In your mind does supporting pp mean u support who they endorse? Hell no I don't support hillary and I think pp has made a foolish choice.
Killer Mike endorsed Bernie. If you don't support Bernie does that mean you hate black people?
What a childish way to post.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,861 posts)
86. You are free to start your own poll.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jan 2016

As to your insults of me:



What a childish way to post.



I refuse to respond in kind.

Love
DSB

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
72. This post is another attempt to badger people into supporting Hillary
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

The explicit link is that if you don't support Hillary, you must not support PP and therefore, you are a mysogynist. People have refused to play the little game and have stated their positions clearly, yet the author of the OP keeps trying to badger them into supporting their narrow view that one has to support Hillary or they hate women.

Big, fat, steaming pile of shit.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
77. You nailed it, exactly.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

The attempt to spin not supporting Hillary into not supporting Planned Parenthood is pathetic. But not surprising.
Goes into the trash with the "if you don't support Hillary you hate or are afraid of women" bullshit.
Kind of insulting, really. Either they are that dumb, or they think I am.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
85. And this adds fuel to the argument that people are only voting for Hillary
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016

because she's female. There is a very explicit link in this OP between a vote for Hillary and a vote for women. Thing is, I agree that it would be a good idea to have a female president. It's just that Hillary's negatives swamp that out, and Bernie's positives also swamp that out.

This whole OP goes against the pleas that people claim thay aren't voting for Hillary becuase she's a women.

sheshe2

(85,158 posts)
80. This is a Huge Endorsement
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jan 2016
“Everything Planned Parenthood has believed in and fought for over the past 100 years is on the ballot,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood.



Thank you, DSB. Yes I do stand with Planned Parenthood.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
90. This is huge for me.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jan 2016

Great endorsement and PP is a blessing.