2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEndorsement results in "defunding" of Planned Parenthood
Former Planned Parenthood donors are now sending their money to Bernie Sandershttp://samuel-warde.com/2016/01/massive-online-backlash-after-planned-parenthood-endorses-hillary-clinton/
Segami
(14,923 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)women that use planned parenthood.
I use poor in the most literal sense.
Whoo-hoo score one for Bernie! I'm sure he'd be pleased as punch. You know income inequality and all...
progressoid
(49,990 posts)Dale Neiburg
(698 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)women the same services PP does.This is the worse thing I've seen democratic candidate supporters do,ever. Sick.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)The only place where women can receive reproductive services in great swaths of this country. That is a fact. Caring about that, however, would mean those women's lives actually matter. It has been made quite clear, however, that the only thing that matters is Bernie's political career. There is scarcely a leftist organization or cause that hasn't been thrown overboard. First Black Lives Matter, then one union after another, now NARAL and Planned Parenthood.
It's interesting how many entrants on that enemies list are also targeted by the GOP.
RandySF
(58,823 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)trust is corrupt. Nothing like supporting corruption. How is it that they don't give a shit about the people -those in charge of PP- and they get a pass from a lot of people here with the comment WELL, THINK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE NOT GETTING STUFF! when they were the f-ers that did this to themselves. They are so corrupt at a certain level in this country they can't see that the limb they are sawing off with their bullshit is the one they're sitting on. Spare me outrage they brought on and don't give a shit about anyway.
RandySF
(58,823 posts)Anyone who doesn't supporters your guy is corrupt.
comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Reality-based, logical reactions are something they just can't handle...because there can't be any other way than Her Way, 3rd way (what about the other two ways, hmm?).
She bought that endorsement, fair and square! How DARE we contest her slightest details in her grand scheme of things?
The fastest, surest, longest-lasting way to help for the poor and dispossessed in this country is to elect Bernie Sanders as President and have his followers in the 99% fill Congress with supporters of his revolution. This we must do, for ourselves and generations to come.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)so those women should pay the price for the fucked up decision? We're not smarter than that? How about shining a light on this, via the news, internet, etc. Shame them. Make them **have** to answer. There are ways to handle this without making the women that depend on Planned Parenthood suffer.
Planned Parenthood won't suffer, the women that depend on them will. Why in the world would any liberal make them suffer for something they didn't do. I don't understand this. I understand the anger. I don't making them pay.
I'm not supporting corruption. I'm saying find another way. Find a way that doesn't impact the women that NEED & DEPEND on the services.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Planned Parenthood fucked up and chose nepotism over democracy. No problem. The donations PP thought they were entitled to, they aren't, any more than the corporate establishment's chosen candidate is entitled to our vote or support.
Enough is enough, we're DONE with you.
#FeeltheBern
one_voice
(20,043 posts)they should what they wish with it. I never said otherwise.
It's MY OPINION and I shall speak it where ever & when ever I wish. You're quite right, enough is enough. Time to stop taking anger out on people that didn't have anything to do with what caused it. I will not apologize for calling people out that want to make vulnerable people suffer because THEIR damn feelings were hurt.
There's another group of people of that wants Planned Parenthood defunded as well. Who don't give a shit about the poor women that use their services. That are all about satisfying their itch. Look whose company you keep.
I have no idea what this means ^^^ done with me? What does that mean?
Who is done with me?
Now you're talking out of turn. You're making assumptions about me. Par for the course though....
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... and let THEIR use of nepotism to feather their OWN nests, instead of just being decent and honest and waiting until AFTER the primaries as they ALWAYS have in the past to endorse a candidate.
In case in your tone deafness you haven't noticed, it pisses people off when you presume they are too stupid to see when they are getting screwed by establishment cronies. I'd suggest you wake up and smell the Revolution.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)What the heck does that mean?
I'm pretty sure I didn't say people didn't have a right to be pissed. I'm pretty sure what I said was that it should be taken out on the same people that your so called revolution is about.
So how's about you read what I actually wrote and stop putting words in my mouth & assuming shit about me. Cuz you know what they say about people that assume. It pisses me off when people presume shit about me.
For the record, I'm able to do two things at once, care about the people you're so joyfully cutting off and be pissed.
I'm not willing to go back hangers & back alleys to prove a point. Apparently you are. So you go on with your revolution...that's nothing I want any part of.
I'm an O'Malley supporter. If he's not our nominee I will have to choose between Hillary and Bernie....way to represent.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)and women above political aspirations.
PP turned their patients into political pawns, not their donors.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)surely ms richards would of known what a backlash this would cause between democratic supporters
did she decide hc's campaign was more important than all of us...evidently so
or even worse ,she is such a child of privilege that she does not know the millions of us are out here
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)But the other part of me is saying, "Well, that's what you get." I wish they hadn't endorsed anybody. All of the dem candidates are excellent on women's issues.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)It's a text book example of how Hillary operates.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Thanks for this nugget.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)By making a political endorsement they've opened themselves up for even more questions and suspicion from the public.
This is a strategic error bigger than the presidential campaign of 2016 -- endorsing a partisan candidate makes them legitimately open to deeper scrutiny and attacks from those who question and/or oppose government funding for Planned Parenthood.
PP will have to accept the consequences -- that is real life -- I am hesitant to make further contributions right now if this is the way the political action committee wants to behave. Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley are all good on choice and reproductive issues; to choose one over the other speaks to deeper problems at PP.
The momentum is shifting to Sanders ... the only redeeming thing for PP is that Sanders is the type of quality individual who will not hold PP's error against them after he is elected President.
On the other hand, Planned Parenthood will have to labor for years and years with the charge of being a partisan political organization now.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)What could possibly be gained for PP as a whole to give Clinton a quick lift that may not even change one primary result?
Autumn
(45,084 posts)and that they chose to do this now after Hillary's 'hire' instead of waiting until the nominee is chosen after their long history really disgusts me. They have always remained above the fray. This was a blunder of epic proportions.
oasis
(49,385 posts)Meanwhile , Hillary's donors will more than make up for the short fall needed to fend off the future GOP attacks on Planned Parenthood.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)but we don't need to punish innocent women for the sins of management.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I agree with you, but PP made a bad decision here.
eridani
(51,907 posts)That is an absolutely gutless approach to defending reproductive rights.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)People are just showing their opinion on their political action in the only terms understood anymore- money. I'm sure financial supporters of pp will get back with their support soon and pp will have learned that they should not let themselves be bought.
Like someone else said; they should not have endorsed until after the primaries. Perhaps when they get rid of whoever decided to put them up for sale, things will get back to normal.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)who really is boss now.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)I say this as a Bernie supporter, a long-time PP volunteer escort, and someone who is pissed off about the endorsement.
murielm99
(30,740 posts)my annual donation to PP.
Go Hillary!
oasis
(49,385 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)So is my daughter, so are several of my coworkers.
In fact, I took care of it last night. This petulant exhibition is disgraceful.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Clinton Incorporated is painting themselves into a corner with this shit. And taking down a lot of good people with them.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)another really terrible year, it appears. So many self-inflicted wounds (yes, I'm saying they looked ghoulish in the sting videos).
Dale Neiburg
(698 posts)and I'm a Sanders supporter.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)I am noticing similar behaviors of Trump and some of Sanders supporters.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)nothing they would ever do to stop me from doing that.Millions of women rely on PP,many of them are poor and wouldn't be able to afford the care they get without donations to PP.Throwing them away in a temper tantrum blows my mind. Bernie's army sure has a lot of childish assholes.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)They are taking their ball and going home. When it comes to hurting Hillary Clinton, everything else takes a backseat.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the "burn the witch" types.
brooklynite
(94,560 posts)Planned Parenthood's reproductive health program is separate from the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the political arm which made the endorsement. But I'm sure anyone who loses access to services will understand the confusion.
Actually, I'm pretty sure there's been no actually cutback in funding notwithstanding what a blog I've never heard of before says.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)doing it anyway.Of course,they justify it by imagining that this whole huge org moved to support Clinton because Ann Richards granddaughter works for her. If you thought Sanders support was top heavy with males before,my guess is you ain't seen nothing yet.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)I also suspect that many "defunders" never supported PP in the first place.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Uh, wait, uh... well, uh... hang on...
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Or are they not the ones donating to PP to begin with?
I guess we know which camp really is good for women's health and which one isn't.
dsc
(52,162 posts)any at fucking all.
comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)a fine message on wealth inequality but I haven't heard him say anything about his positions on family planning or reproductive rights. Bashing wall street doesn't address those important matters.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I think you are missing the fact that Sanders' supporters were the ones donating to PP in the first place.
A better question is why Hillary supporters are not increasing their donations to PP. Or couldn't you think of that one?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)said you don't have a right to donate to anyone. You can donate to Right To Life if you want,that would really show 'em!
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Autumn
(45,084 posts)What a wonderful thing is freedom of choice here. Making the choice not to donate, oe to donate to any organization is a choice we all have. I learned that very early in life as a child of proud Democrats. Are you saying that Democrats have to follow their leader??? Most Democrats are Democrats because they are smart and capable of thought not lemmings. As a woman, as a Democrat I would never in a fucking million years behave as any politicians told me to, that's for republicans. Fuck that shit.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The pattern is clear.
still_one
(92,190 posts)That some folks seemed so bent out of shape by this speaks volumes.
What would have been the response if PP came out and endorsed Bernie Sanders?
For me it wouldn't matter, I would still donate
I would also congratulate Sanders and his supporters on the endorsement.
Interesting, the pettiness of some folks
dsc
(52,162 posts)all because they had the audacity to not agree with them on politics.
still_one
(92,190 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Seems silly to "defund" an organization that helps so many people because they didn't endorse one's candidate.
I post very little in endorsement threads because endorsements mean little to me.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Having said that, foolish or not, people are people and some people tend to over react and not always respond appropriately. That is true regardless of the issue or of who one supports for political office. Some blow back could have been predicted. I too wish Planned Parenthood had not endorsed among our Democratic candidates before a single vote was cast since all of our candidates are strongly supportive of the work that they do. By not waiting until the General Election they made their endorsement a political rather than an issue based act. To support the Democratic candidate against the Republican candidate is a clear recognition of which Party lines up with them on the issues. To support one Democrat against other Democrats who also line up with them on the issues primarily (pun intended)makes it an overtly partisan and political statement. That is not the type of positioning of Planned Parenthood that is in the long term interests of PP (obviously in my opinion).
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Some nobody,s blog has nothing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I can not in good conscience withdraw my support and jeopardize the health of American women over a political endorsement, the lion's share of whom had nothing to do with the decision. That would be as wrong as withdrawing support over an edited video.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...that this was a good move by PP or that people can't be upset by it.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)I doubt he will but one can hope.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)Maybe PP endorsed Hillary because she has been an advocate and loyal supporter for decades.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)A few people are petty enough to withhold donations to help women because PP endorsed a woman. Hooray for them!!!
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)The notion that one politician's career takes precedence over the work done by an organization that has provided reproductive services for women for 100 years is astounding. Clearly, none of our lives could possibly compare to the far more important goal of one man's political success. Women and girls could be be denied reproductive healthcare, birth control, cancer screenings and abortion. That could affect generations of families. Yet none of that is nearly as important as Bernie's career.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Such good liberals they are.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)but whose real motivation is a fierce, burning hatred of all things Clinton.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I figured some folks would be unhappy about that endorsement, but I was still surprised by the attacks which have followed it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... its that segment who seems to think the US economy has to be destroyed, so that their version of Utopia rises from the ashes.
Hekate
(90,683 posts)...and hiding behind Sanders to do it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)not very progressive, nor are they people who share Bernie Sanders's values
This is really appalling.
comradebillyboy
(10,147 posts)CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)but, I will NEVER pull my support from PP. I don't think Bernie would want us to, either. Just sayin'. And yeah, yeah, I've heard the argument that Bernie's Single Payer, or Medicare for all will eliminate the need for PP, but what about now?
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...that those supporters of his are threatening?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)women. They knew the backlash they would get. This is the first time in 100 years they've endorsed a candidate. There's a reason they chose to do this now during one of the most contentious primaries ever . It's unfortunate they will lose funding, but they did it to themselves knowing full well what would happen.
PROGRESSIVE women can just donate to Bernie who is far better on women's rights/issues than HRH ever has been and OTHER organizations that offer the same services as PP. They aren't the only game in town. Hey, HRH got her endorsement! That's all that matters, right? That's what's important here, right?
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Ya'll go for it! With hold those funds!
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Like I said, they aren't the only game in town.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
http://www.fundabortionnow.org/
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)They don't have clinics, no breast screenings and at my age I don't need a free abortion
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)legislators, and other organizations who have endorsed the candidate for Dem nomination who is, unquestionably, preferred over Bernie by a majority of banksters and the 1%.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)She just can't seem to play fair. As for those who cancelled their donations, I can see their point. Pp has never before made such an endorsement, then Hillary hires ms Richards, then Clinton gets their first ever endorsement. It just smacks of entitlement. "An endorsement from pp would be nice. I'll just go ahead and buy one". Very bad optics. Low class.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)less time than it takes to say "We worship only Hillary Rodham Clinton".
tularetom
(23,664 posts)mwrguy
(3,245 posts)And that is exactly what these "defunders" are doing.
No different than when the fundies do it.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)cronyism..........
Beacool
(30,247 posts)If Republicans weren't able to destroy Planned Parenthood, neither will some disgruntled Sanders' supporters.