If you send Bill Clinton out as your surrogate

[Warren Stupidity]

then Bill Clinton's record is fair game. I suggest stop whining every time Bill's penis problem gets mentioned. Quite frankly that is the least of his problems.

[Hiraeth]

1. BILL CLINTON IS A GOD !!!

[Betty Karlson]

99. Unfortunately, that god is ZEUS. eom

[Hiraeth]

103. ZEUS IS A GOD !!!

[PatrickforO]

151. Zeus!....Zeus!.....

Guys...GUYS! Olympus is THAT way...

[RandySF]

2. Then Bernie best not send out his wife

Or they may be answering questions about Burlington College overstating assets and pledges to get a loan, and then leaving the lender on the hook for $2 million. Isn't this the kind of behavior he campaigns against?

[djean111]

4. Oh, like that hasn't been brought up right here at DU.

Many times. And I have no doubt that Hillary will use it.

[RandySF]

17. Yes it's been on DU

But, hard to believe, most people don't read DU.

[cali]

5. Lol. You posted two pieces yesterday slamming her.

You are in no position to whinge, dear

[Squinch]

6. But according to the OP, there is nothing wrong with that.

Personally I strongly disagree, but you can't have it both ways.

[RandySF]

10. I'm not whining, I'm warning....dear

[cali]

21. Ooh, I'm so scared

[Warren DeMontague]

181. ...

[FarPoint]

128. Thanks for the warning update Randy.

I didn't know about that little tidbit.

[Warren DeMontague]

180. Wow, i thought the headlines were hyperbolic, but you guys really ARE getting nervous.

Damn.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Because of bullshit right wing nonsense?

Bill really did leave a Bimbo trail and really did get a blow job from an intern in the Oval Office. That really did happen. This is not Vince Fostet horseshit. But, as I said, his penis problem is mostly irrelevant. His administration ran and ruled on the right, and during the primaries that is a bigger problem for your candidate.

[Thinkingabout]

18. It can be brought out, also, remember the GOP has not vetted Sanders yet, lots of information

can and will come out, skeletons will fall. Bill did what he did, the whole story has been vetted, what else can come out, more RW talking points? Bill can handle the talking points, nothing new here.

[NurseJackie]

36. Indeed. Stand by. Most of Hillary's supporters here have learned the hard way ...

... that any specific mention of such things on this web site (things that the GOP and others will take great delight in publicizing) doesn't survive alerts and juries. People have created a cozy and safe environment within the confines of this digital fortress, and it's clear that many have forgotten what the real world may have in store.

Oh well.

[still_one]

168. I think the "hair on fire" reaction from some, in regard to the PP endorsement of Hillary is a

precursor to what we can expect when that echo chamber bubble gets popped

[ish of the hammer]

55. got any skeletons for us now?

i hear that google is your friend!

[Thinkingabout]

113. Has cgoogle restricted your access?

[ish of the hammer]

125. you are the one talking about skeletons falling out of the closet -

perhaps you could elucidate?
i'm not the one worried about Sanders skeletons, apparently you are, but i haven't seen any skeletons from you yet, even though I've given you a helpful suggestion of where you might look.
so far, no skeletons for Sanders
BUT, the Clintons sure have a lot!
did you want me to google that?

[randys1]

106. Heard this also from rightwing, racist teapartiers on another board. Like deja vu for me

[2pooped2pop]

8. investigate Bernie and his wife

All u want. Compared to the Clinton scandals, I'm sure the Sanders will look like saints. Lol

I know this because Bernie has excellent character, unlike the corporate loving Clintons.

Tit for tat, Bernie's all that.

[Thinkingabout]

19. Are you sure?

[Punkingal]

25. You constantly say Bernie will be vetted...why don't you just post these dire things you hint at?

[NurseJackie]

37. It's been done. Such things never survive alerts. (Go figure.)

[Thinkingabout]

94. Because I am not the GOP.

[notadmblnd]

29. if you got the dirt, share it.

[Thinkingabout]

96. Are you supporting Sanders? I do my research on the Candidates, I do not

rely on others to do my work.

[notadmblnd]

102. In other words, you got nothing.

I see. Thank you very much.

[Punkingal]

109. I have supported him for years, and I'm not asking you to do my work for me.

I am asking you to show us this information you CONSTANTLY allude to.

[cali]

45. Yep. This Vermonter is pretty sure.

[2pooped2pop]

75. compared to Clinton?

Almost anyone would be looking pretty damned good on honesty, integrity, scandals, donations, and who they will work for. So yeah I feel pretty secure with Bernie. Hell she could make soma republicans come out looking goodif they are being compared along those lines.

[George II]

78. That's because the Clintons have been on the national and world stage for decades, whereas....

....the Sanders have been essentially small town politicians in one of the country's least populated states.

Millions and millions of people have voted for both of them in elections, the most Sanders ever got was 207,000. That's the order of magnitude of exposure the two couples have gotten.

[2pooped2pop]

89. or is it because they are dishonest as hell

and plot to scam money staying only within an inch of legality, or at least proof?

[Thinkingabout]

97. Oh really

[840high]

161. Yes - really.

[Tennis Magnet]

159. Some people would rather that Clinton didn't come back 20 years later.

Point made, no further discussion needs to be made.

[yeoman6987]

156. I actually thought Edwards was a saint

Unfortunately I was very wrong.

[enid602]

166. re Edwards

It's always the ones who lead the Barbie & Ken lifestyles that end up shocking you the most.

[yeoman6987]

174. So true.

[840high]

158. Hillary's lies alone make people

cautious about her - then add Bill's joyrides and bingo!!!!

[enid602]

13. hypocritical

Jane's having 'cooked the books' resulted in defrauding a bank and a state agency. Does not jive with Bernie's central talking points of greed, banking corruption and punishing Wall Street execs.

[notadmblnd]

32. Oh! The horror!!!!!

And the banks have defrauded who and how many? Yeah, Jane Sander's is just like them.

[enid602]

40. pretty much

What's good for the goose . . .

[uponit7771]

57. The banks are KNOWN to be immoral

[notadmblnd]

65. Please, detail the circumstances of this horror of a scandal

What was the loan for? How did the bank lose?

[uponit7771]

66. LMGTFY...

[notadmblnd]

68. So you don't know?

[enid602]

160. loan

The loan was for Burlington College to buy land. The bank was belatedly paid off, but only after the college sold the land. The cost to tjhe college was considerable. Pount is Jane overstated assets by $3mm to get the loan.

[enid602]

127. fraud

As is anyone who knowingly commits fraud. Let he (or she) who has not sinned be the first to cast stones.

[PatrickforO]

153. Well, she lost her job because of it.

And I don't know the whole story about who did what. But I do know that charges weren't filed and she lost her job.

As far as I'm concerned, she's even with the house, and she isn't the one running anyway. Nor is Bill.

It's Hillary and Bernie.

[enid602]

167. lawyers

No charges because she lawyered up when called on the carpet. Think we've seen this tactic since.

[INdemo]

108. Which do you think voters would be most interested in

Bill Clintons speaking fees of$200,000+ sponsored by the likes of Goldman Sachs,Citi Croup AIG, and many more and some foreign.
Or Hillary's speaking fees from $125,000 to $200K + from the same sponsors and more, plus Canadian Banks sponsoring the Keystone Pipeline

So which you think voters would really care about?
I would also like to give you one of Bill Clinton's famous lines in reference to
"Burlington College overstating assets"
"That dog don't hunt anymore"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/hillary-clinton-speeches-keystone_n_7463108.html

[enid602]

178. fees vs overstatement of assets

I don't think Bill said that in response to Burlington College. Many successful ex Presidents and Secretaries of states garner large fees for speaking. But being accused of fraud is a big deal, especially when a good part of your husband's platform is drastic reform of Wall Street greed and corrupt banking practices.

[GeorgeGist]

182. It is a big deal ...

and you shouldn,t be making the charge. She counted pledged monies. Naive? Yes. Fraud? No.

[enid602]

185. Naive?

She was the President of the college, and signed off on a balance sheet that overstated endowments by $2M to support a loan from a bank that was further guaranteed by a Vermont state agency. Of course, one might argue that a CEO can't be responsible for every detail on such a balance sheet. Still, it was a college of only 200 students, and even given a very high administration to student ratio, there would be very few administrators. Remember, these actions took place in 2010, well after the bust.

[Fawke Em]

189. And even if that is true (and it's not been investigated much to determine), it's still

far, far less of a scandal than the dozens Bill has been or is involved in.

[bvf]

3. Score one for reason. n/t

[haikugal]

9. Well, actually, it's but ONE of his problems...

There I fixed it for you.

[redstateblues]

11. Everyday the Big Dog is campaigning

Is a bad day for Bernie. We had 8 years of peace and prosperity during his two terms.

[djean111]

14. Knowing what I know now, I would not cross the street to see him.

The glamor fades, the effects of things like NAFTA affect us all.

[artislife]

115. Voted for him, now I am saddened that I was so taken in by that man. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

26. NAFTA DOMA End Welfare as We Know It Omnibus Crime Financial Deregulation

what's not to like for a modern center right reagan-thatcher-new-democrat?

[kath]

71. Here's an article with a list of many ways Bill screwed over the 99%:

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world

[Truprogressive85]

39. Peace for whom

93 ' WTC bombing

The attack on USS Cole

The genocide of 500,000 Rwandans died (while he sat idle)

Oklahoma City Bombings

Increased in incarceration rate

Continuation of failed drug wars

[happynewyear]

61. War on welfare recipients

That one really showed what a low creature he is. I'll never forget the look on his face as he informed the public about it. It was cruel and grotesque, loathsome and disgusting and yep, these issues are a lot bigger than the issue at large so to speak.

[azurnoir]

95. +1

[enid602]

186. welfare reform

Clinton did not have the votes in the legislature to stop welfare reform. He, was however able to temper it by raising the EIC (the tax day credit that gives low wage workers a considerable tax credit to more approximate a living wage), thereby ushering the largest migration out of poverty in US history. But you forget that. I believe that FDR devised Aid for Families with Dependents as way of ameliorating poverty among families during his lifetime. A bridge, if you will. But if welfare reform was 'grotesque, loathesome and disgusting' as you say, why isn't repeal of welfare reform part of Bernie's platform?

[happynewyear]

187. Why don't you ask Bernie Sanders this question?

www.berniesanders.com

As for Bill Clinton and his problem, well he made his bed and he can lie in it. He sickens me and nothing will ever change this fact.

[enid602]

188. Interesting

I went to the website, but saw nothing that would indicate he is proposing to repeal welfare reform. Weird, as he appears to be promising everything else. And his supporters still use welfare reform as an indictment against Bill Clinton.

[redstateblues]

144. You're blaming him for those? You, Cruz, and Rubio

All agree. You're reaching on that one. He started no wars although it sounds like you wish he had.

[Truprogressive85]

147. Are you denying

the incarention rate did not go up during his terms ?

Are you denying that drug wars under his presidency like many other have been a failure


That was a war on specific community (my community)

Peace and prosperity right

[stevenleser]

177. Rwanda, LOL, can you imagine what that poster would be saying if we had invaded

Rwanda to try to stop the genocide?

[99Forever]

58. Ya mean like $15,000,000,000....

... (that's $15 BILLion, folks) lawsuit filed a couple of days ago against the USA by TransCanada for rejecting the Keystone XL pipeline under authority of Bill Clinton's NAFTA "free tade" agreement, to be decided by corporate "arbitrators" not by the Courts of OUR Nation?

That the kind of "prosperity" you are bragging up?


Yeah, soooooper dooooooper wonderful shit to be crowing about.

[tecelote]

88. +1

Time for America to take a hard left turn.

[kdmorris]

120. Sure... if you weren't poor and needed that safety net/jobs

that he ripped out from under us.

Welfare "reform", NAFTA to name a few...

[arcane1]

126. Tell that to the Iraqi people n/t

[merrily]

12. Jury results:

On Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:05 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

If you send Bill Clinton out as your surrogate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251987250

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Do we really need to attack democrats with rw smears hear at du? This post is disgusting.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:09 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stating truth is a violation of DU's TOS now? A smear? Yet another abuse of the alert button.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Do you not think the repigs will do this? Be ready. Prepared. Plus, this is mild compared to the majority we see in this forum.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: OP is correct... He was the president and his record, good and bad, is all fair game.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The Impulsive Serial Alerter strikes again. Get over it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I don't think this helps DU's image.

Juror #7, since when is not helping DU's image a violation of the TOS?

[Warren Stupidity]

27. Not even a remotely imaginative misuse of the alert button.

C'mon alerter, you can do better than this.

[merrily]

34. I think the U.S.S. Adjective sailed months ago.

Use of the alert button is the only thing going on now, not "imaginative" use or "judicious" use or "fair" use. Just use. Just hit the alert button and hope you get a fellow DUer, including a long time fellow DUer, a hide or a ban.



And, if that doesn't do it, whine to the admins that the person should be banned anyway. (L0onix and MannyGoldsten spring to mind.)

[notadmblnd]

41. I think they get extra points or do double duty grave dancing whe they snag themselves an old timer.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:27 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Because of bullshit right wing nonsense?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=987277

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Referring to women as "bimbos" is terribly over the top inappropriate here. Please do not use RW language and adopt it as your own. RW'ers go around calling women "bimbos" as a normal course of business, please do not bring this here. It's degrading and sexist.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:34 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's sad to see so many here falling into the pattern of RW speak in defense of their chosen candidate. They don't seem to realize the filth is beginning to tarnish their candidate as well as themselves.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The Clintons are not untouchable
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: give it a rest.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: LOL
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Time to let the Old Dog alone. Attempts to chain his past to Hillary's present is demeaning to us all.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Warren Stupidity]

46. I knew "bimbo trail" was risky and considered replacing it.

But then again, what a fucking joke this place can be. If I get hides for speaking the truth oh well.

[Proserpina]

51. When did the RW get the "bimbo" franchise?

It's a regular American word, applicable to anyone who behaves like one...and if the shoe fits, then you probably aren't courting Cinderella!

[one_voice]

111. Yeah..

I agree. What a joke, when you can't use a rw smear on DEMOCRATIC underground. Jeeze what the heck.....

[Warren Stupidity]

131. You do know that Bill did in fact have a series of extramarital affairs, right?

For that to be a smear it would have to be false.

[one_voice]

134. Of course I'm aware...

I'm also aware it was litigated to fucking death. It was HIS PENIS that had the affairs. Only the right hang that shit on Hillary hence the rw smear. Clear enough now?

Do you always blame the wife for the husband's mistakes or is Hillary special?

The right drag out his affairs as often as they drag out Reagen......

[Warren Stupidity]

135. Where did I blame Hillary Clinton for Bill's asshole behavior?

I'll wait.

[one_voice]

137. Hold your breath while you wait. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

139. At least you admit you've got nothing.

[Bobbie Jo]

164. Calling these women "bimbos"

is straight outta Rushville.

[Warren Stupidity]

183. That alert also failed. But it was closer.

The phrase is one of the common expressions used to describe the many extra marital affairs Mr. Clinton engaged in during his political career. It was used widely - pretty much across the political spectrum - as it concisely describes Mr. Clinton's behavior. The "problem" is also described as the fear of an impending "eruption" - a new event surfacing, always a risk with some politicians.

Perhaps there is some way to frame this as alert worthy too?

[Bobbie Jo]

184. Right.

It is what it is.

I was politically aware back then and I know where I heard it.

Used widely, and all that...

Not sure what you're on about here but, I certainly don't want to ruin your gotcha moment. Have at it.

[merrily]

50. So ridiculous. The truth is filth. An anonymous post on DU tarnishes Sanders

Honestly, if I were subject to vertigo, I'd be afraid to try to stand up after reading such nonsense.

However, to be candid, I am not especially fond of using derogatory words to describe women. On the other hand, I suspect that alert had more to do with trying to protect the Clintons than with trying to protect women.

[notadmblnd]

64. Yeah, well- sticks and stones.....

I get tired of it.

I find it exhausting to have to deal with those who continuously look for things to be offended by here when in fact, they're alerting for no other reason than to shut down conversations that they don't happen to agree with. Apparently they're just not capable of articulating an argument against it.

[merrily]

69. We've agree on this

"when in fact, they're alerting for no other reason than to shut down conversations that they don't happen to agree with

I just don't think being groped makes a woman a bimbo and I don't think calling women names that suggest "slut" is a good thing..

[notadmblnd]

72. I don't disagree with that, I just happen to think it is what it is.

It's human nature to sort, categorize and label, It's also human nature to be judgmental. I think on our journey to become better human beings- some of us get there before others do. I think if it wasn't for the need of others to feel superior over those that aren't quite there yet- those that are not there yet, would get there more quickly.

[merrily]

74. I think it is a special issue for women.

Slut shaming of a female pregnant out of wedlock. Blaming the rape victim for having dressed "too seductively." Making a illness (nymphomania) of women having "too many" sex partners, while making the male who does the same thing an object of admiration, etc. Even though I think the history justifies being one-sided about it, I don't use terms like "dick" or "prick."

[notadmblnd]

77. Yeah, but call it out and move on.

I guess I'm not as evolved as you- I have called men whores in the past. On two different occasions to be exact. To their faces and they were both hurt by it. But you know what? I bet they never called a woman a whore again.

[delrem]

83. Connection with Bill Clinton's past is "demeaning to us all"?

I wish Clinton supporters could get their stories straight.

[notadmblnd]

43. It's not that they didn't try

see post 41.

[HereSince1628]

101. But doesn't that depend on what the meaning of is is to sycophants?

If your heroic Ivanhoe emulator suffers character assaults, he can't ride in like the knight he should be and thereby can't aid the campaign.

Seems to me that depending on what the meaning of is is to people seeking particular outcomes, that simply MUST disrupt 'the message' and it's likely to be hurtful to sycophants

I think this was, at least in that respect, a fair, if solipsistic, use of the alert button.

[840high]

162. Juror #7 - we're not voting for DU.

[Proserpina]

15. Bill Clinton was the FIRST disastrous hire of Hillary Clinton

She then compounded her error by retaining him in the position...

because she thought she might as well collect on her investment, or as a grown-up child of abuse, she felt she deserved no better. Or some combination of the two.

Hillary really needs a good shrink. Not a legacy presidency.

[Godhumor]

22. What in holy hell are you babbling about?

I mean, really, this seemed like a good idea to you to post?

[winter is coming]

172. WTF?

PUI is never a good idea.

[bigwillq]

16. I agree (nt)

[cali]

20. Perhaps I'm in a small minority but I found his escapades disgraceful and disturbing then

And I do now. I am not a prude. It has more to do with his poor judgment, his lack of regard, his lack of self control and his abuse of power.

[Proserpina]

23. And I find her putting up with it even more disturbing

[cali]

31. I don't.

[notadmblnd]

35. That really bugs me too.

[MissDeeds]

42. I do too n/t

[kath]

73. I'm sure she did the political calculation -"which will hurt my career more - ditching him, or being

a Doormat and staying with him."

[Hiraeth]

84. ^^^ agree with this ^^^

[azmom]

91. [phone]

[azurnoir]

98. exactly which is better being the current Mrs Clinton or the ex Mrs Clinton

and what if he remarried?

[Tanuki]

107. Are you disturbed that Eleanor Roosevelt didn't leave Franklin,

or that Jacqueline Kennedy or Coretta Scott King didn't leave their husbands over their infidelities? Do you think the accomplishments and positive contributions of these men should be dragged through the mud any time their names come up, and that the wives should be blamed?

[Proserpina]

110. Yes, frankly. I am.

It takes TWO people to make a marriage. A one-person marriage is not a marriage at all, it's something else entirely, as well as giving permission to other infidelities and other betrayers.

[questionseverything]

129. sadly i do too

what message will we be sending our daughters?

it is not like it was only 1 affair and honestly,does anyone think he has changed and that behavior stopped?

i believe hc can not win the general because of this among other things

as a side note, i find it interesting that john edwards was made into a pariah by the party over one public affair

[Proserpina]

133. Another case of "It's okay if you are a Republican -lite"

[happynewyear]

148. My mom was still alive at that time

Mom was a good Democrat too and I remember what she said.

She said that he should STEP DOWN and I agreed with her!

[bigwillq]

28. He put his penis ahead of anything else

Especially ahead of this country. Yes, it was selfish, disrespectful, showed poor judgment, lack of regard and self control, and yes, he did abuse his power. Sad.

Go away, Clintons. Far, far away.

[bigtree]

53. I'm not inclined to pass any judgment on sexual affairs of people I don't know personally

...I was much more disturbed by those who made it their mission to publicize it.

Also, I have no regard at all for the right of Larry Klayman to even ask questions about Bill Clinton's sex life, much less his right to get a straight answer. I don't give a damn about the law that allowed him to question the president in that way. I think it was unjust to be forced to reveal details about his private sexual affairs in that case, and Klayman bringing the probe was as good an example as any of the vileness of the inquiry.

From the idiot who convinced Lewinsky to record the conversations and retain the soiled dress; to the politicians and other shadowy figures who sought to use the set-up as an excuse to try and invalidate our votes through impeachment; I found the entire opposition effort (and the fawning, obsequious agreement from some Democrats in clucking their tongues and pointing fingers over something which I think is absolutely none of their business) to be the closest our nation has come to a palace coup.

Like Sanders said previously (and he should have stuck with that), 'We've got more things to worry about than Bill Clinton's sexual life.'

[cali]

60. Larry Klayman is irrelevant to my opinion

Bill Clinton exercised poor judgment. Repeatedly. He made it our business.

[bigtree]

67. of course, I remarked on more than Klayman

...he's just a good representation of the despicable effort to take down our Democratic president and invalidate our votes over something I don't believe is any of our business.

Republicans made it our business. It had zero to do with his job, and I think that sentiment was reflected in the increase in support he received from the general public and their rejection of the impeachment effort.

I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks about his sex life, and, I have no need at all to characterize or pass judgments on an affair I know nothing about, personally. I do know something about the politics of personal destruction which evolved out of that tabloid experience.

[NCTraveler]

24. I think you mistake whining...

For dissemination. I firmly believe these stories solidify her current support and give many who are not that political a favorable view of her. They have no respect for these tactics.

I agree, it's fair game. They can bring it as often as they like.

[Warren Stupidity]

30. No really it is whining. And quite a bit of it, as you of course are aware.

[hedgehog]

33. At least, someone should tell the Hillary campaign that Bill's

romantic stories of how they first met may go over well with Hillary's supporters, but for the rest of us

[stone space]

47. Marital problems do not negate anybody's romantic stories of how they met.

Any of us could get divorced tomorrow, and we might still look back at those romantic stories with relish.

[Proserpina]

62. Having gone through the romantic courtship AND the bitter divorce, I must disagree

all I want to do is warn my younger self not to get sucked into loving a psychopath/sociopath/narcissist.

Such personality problems were not even named, let alone warned about, when I was a girl. I knew enough to avoid the drunks and druggies, the verbally and physically abusive, the mentally and physically lazy, the amoral and the sponges...but we hadn't had the huge increase of the ethically/community/family-feeling deficient that characterized the 70's and beyond.

[Dems to Win]

87. Agreed. Cringeworthy!

And I'm not so sure all of Hilary's supporters enjoy the stories of Bill and Hillary's Great Love Story -- some of the young women sitting behind him seemed pretty unimpressed, too.

[Indepatriot]

38. Bill fucking REPEALED GLASS STEAGAL for christsakes!!!

And his inability to keep his pants zipped helped make Gore's 2000 run a whole lot closer than it would have been,, had he waited till he was out of office to make his booty calls. I don't give a good goddamn about what consenting adults do behind closed doors UNLESS IT DIRECTLY EFFECTS MY LIFE. The Lewinsky Problem did just that, as many, many hours were spent, and many compromises made, while getting through that. Then, of course there was the lying....ON NATIONAL TELEVISION! And "Peace and Prosperity".....two words: TECH BOOM. would've happened under any President. Was Bill a better choice than Bush 1 or Perot, or Dole? absolutely. But he was still THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. No. More. Clintons.

[merrily]

52. Lobbying for the Commodities Futures Act of 2000 has done as much damage, if not more,

than repeal of Glass Steagall. It's the one that allowed credit default swaps and crap mortgage derivatives, terms many heard for the first time in 2008, when honest people explained the near economic collapse of several nations. (The dishonest ones claimed it was "liar loans.&quot

[Historic NY]

63. He just signed the bill......

its like just voting for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, wouldn't you agree.

[JonLeibowitz]

92. Bill also openly supported its repeal.

[stone space]

44. No, it's not "fair game", but as near as I can tell, ...

...the current situation is simply a response to a voter question, and candidates can hardly be expected to endorse it.

I'll bet nobody gets Hillary on the record endorsing Bill's behavior as acceptable, either.

Indeed, I suspect that nobody will get Bill's endorsement of his own behavior on the record, as well.

But the reluctance of politicians to endorse it does not make it "fair game".

[Warren Stupidity]

48. Of course its fair game. The people who campaign for you, more specifically who you send out

to campaign for you, their records and behavior are legitimate issues. If Clinton sent out Rahm Emanuel should we not discuss his involvement in the cover up of the murder of Laquan McDonald?

[Ferd Berfel]

49. THe corporatist that gave us NAFTA, GATT, WTO, the end of Glass-Stegall, the Tellecommunications act

and set us up for the crash of 2008 and the coup de gras to democracy and US Sovereignty that is the T P P

is a god?

Put down the cool-aid, back away from the cool-aid

[uponit7771]

54. Yes, wingers have been talking about Clenis for a long time... wingers

[Beacool]

121. There are "wingers" on both sides of the political spectrum.

The one thing they share in common is their dislike and disrespect for the Clintons.

Pathetic the vile one reads on a Democratic board.

[uponit7771]

123. Yeap, I tell republicans all the time the DNC is full of conservatives that can't vote for stupid..

... and I'm thinking a good portion of them are atracted to Sanders

[Autumn]

56. Penises and emais will dominate. The hot topics we will all be hearing about.

Sprinkled with a few other appearances of the players in the Clinton administration. Who doesn't just love the media talking about consensual affairs spun into god knows what else. Time to buy large amounts of cheese.

[Historic NY]

59. You mean the guy that still has a 60% approval rating.............

He delivered in 2012 election for Democrats. Beside exactly what does he have to do with Hillary?

You have to wonder how much people are getting paid to kick this up & who is paying them. Once you go back and review the depositions people gave I'd think they would rather hide..


Go f--king negative he can take it. He's still standing.

[bigtree]

70. first of all, it's only a 'game' to those who practice the politics of personal destruction

...second of all, it's not Clinton who's accountable for the way you practice your politics. That's your own responsibility.

[stupidicus]

81. my my whatta devastating rebuttal via indictment of a bad word choice

that changes everything

Gee, what other moral failures on the part of pres candidates are to be given a pass, for dems and repubs alike?

[bigtree]

85. hey, stupidicus

...I gave a clear rebuttal on this thread. Take it or leave it.

'Moral failure?' And you're deciding what's 'moral' about people's private lives?

Have at it - just leave it out of politics. Morality plays over politician's private sex life amounts to little more than a cynical political wedge. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it kicks back in your face, like in the case of Bill Clinton. The only people who are still flogging that incident are those who are still trying to unleash it's destructive, political potential. That's not something I believe Democrats should emulate or use to advantage their own politics. I find that infinitely more sleazy than a consensual sex act between adults.

[stupidicus]

191. musta missed your imaginary rebuttal

but I do find your whine about "politics of personal destruction" pretty amusing

Infidelity is a breach of trust that only a doormat like HC would overlook, which is understandable because she'd likely be an obscure nobody today without him.

That however provides no cause for others to understand or forget his wayward ways, nor does your imaginary rebuttal. His/their whole life in public remains "fair game", so get over it, or don't

[stupidicus]

76. indeed, the negative ramifications of his criminal justice/welfare reform should be pinned on HC too

since she likely at the very least, failed to advise him against them

and he asked for all of that when he embarked on a pre-campaign apology tour.

[JoePhilly]

79. If the far RW and some on the left, want to run in circles screaming ...

... about Bill's yam sack ... go for it.

[Warren Stupidity]

100. as I said, that is the least of his problems.

[JoePhilly]

105. Yea, that high approval rating he had ... the peace, prosperity during his ...

... Presidency ... HUGE problems!!

[smiley]

170. we bombed the hell out of Iraq during his presidency.

[sulphurdunn]

80. Support and defense of the Clinton campaign

is starting to take on aspects of cult worship.

[elleng]

82. Right, his record on public matters

and to what extent you adopt them is 'fair game.'

[senz]

86. I spent the 90s (and after) defending Bill Clinton. Still don't care about his penis.

But I care very much about his sell-out to moneyed interests at the expense of the American people. It was shameful, anti-democratic and anti-Democratic, and most certainly IS fair game.

[emulatorloo]

90. "GOP women urge Trump to drop talk of Bill Clinton sex scandals"

Monicagate mouth-frothers are never going to vote Democratic. Neither Bernie nor HRC.

However, Republican women may cross over and vote for HRC if she is the nominee if Trump et al. continues to blame Hillary for Bill's infidelity.

Will get you a link in a minute

GOP women urge Trump to drop talk of Bill Clinton sex scandals
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/06/trump-bill-clinton-sex-scandals-republican-women/78352482/

Republican women have a message for Donald Trump: Enough with Bill Clinton’s sex scandals.

It’s not that they’re waving Trump off the issue to help Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. On the contrary, they’re worried that the more Trump talks about a troubled period of the Clintons’ marital history, the more likely it could backfire and rally independent and even some Republican women to the side of the former first lady.

<snip>

Women voters are likely to recoil over Trump’s contention in recent interviews that the former first lady was an “enabler” of her husband’s liaisons, including his affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, said Nancy Dwight, a former National Republican Congressional Committee executive director.

“I’m uncomfortable with it, I just am,” Dwight said, adding that she particularly didn't like a candidate discussing it. “She was as aghast by her husband’s behavior as the rest of us," she said of Clinton. The Democratic front-runner has "a ton of trip-ups” that’ll be ignored if Bill Clinton's past becomes a dominant theme.

<snip>

[larkrake]

93. Trump has the same problem and can't keep a wife

[99Forever]

117. Is Trump campaigning for a Democratic candidate, at their request?

[randys1]

104. EXACT words I heard from a teaparty rightwing racist on another board.

DU and rightwing boards are now indistinguishable

the longer the owners of this board allow this, the more actual liberals will be silenced here

[cali]

116. What utter nonsense. Correlation does not imply causation.

[truebrit71]

124. Link please....

...

[randys1]

149. NO, I wont link rightwingers on other boards, that you dont believe what I am saying

is amazing

So you are both calling me a liar and implying that rightwingers arent attacking Hillary

wow

this place has jumped the shark

anybody know a place liberals can meet and talk safely ???

[truebrit71]

150. No. I just asked you to back your statement up.

The rest of your post is just hysterical hyperbole....

[randys1]

152. You are on record questioning whether or not I saw rightwingers attacking Hillary...

[truebrit71]

154. No. I am on record asking you to back up your assertion.

You however, are apparently on record as saying that DU is no different than those "right wing racist" boards you like to hang out on. Right?

[one_voice]

112. Oh yay, another blame Hillary..

cuz Bill couldn't keep it in his pants. That's so 1950's or caveman like....

[BooScout]

114. I couldn't agree more...

[Warren Stupidity]

132. Did you actually read what I wrote?

Here, lets read it together:

If you send Bill Clinton out as your surrogate then Bill Clinton's record is fair game. I suggest stop whining every time Bill's penis problem gets mentioned. Quite frankly that is the least of his problems.

1. The only thing Hillary Clinton is being blamed for there is "send(ing) Bill Clinton out".
2. Bill's well documented penis problem is, according to what was written there, the least of his problems.
3. The actual point is the suggestion that Clinton supporters should stop whining about people who attack Bill Clinton, or how Bernie Sanders deals with questions about Bill Clinton, as that is clearly part of the price the Hillary Clinton campaign has to pay for using Bill Clinton as a spokesperson.

Is that clear yet? Should I break it down for you further?

[one_voice]

136. Here:

I suggest stop whining every time Bill's penis problem gets mentioned

Don't give a fuck how far you break it down. You wrote that. That's all I needed to read. Clear enough.

[Warren Stupidity]

138. And how exactly is that blaming Hillary for Bill's penis problem?

Still waiting.

[one_voice]

140. Keep holding. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

142. So when you said " Oh yay, another blame Hillary.." you were slandering me.

classy.

[mcar]

143. ..

[alcibiades_mystery]

118. So sad to see Sanders supporters stoop to this

[840high]

163. It was sad for me that

Bill did this.

[Beacool]

119. Wow, this board has really become a cesspool.

Some of you need to grow some class and remember that this is still a Democratic board and that there are three candidates running for president. The supporters of these three people should treat them and each other with a little more respect.

[ucrdem]

122. If you attack Bill Clinton you are not helping Democrats win. Period. nt

[840high]

165. Perhaps Bill should have thought of that.

[winter is coming]

173. Fuck that noise. Bill's not running for anything and pretending he doesn't have major flaws

makes Dems look like idiotic sycophants.

[TeddyR]

130. Are folks on DU

Really attacking Bill Clinton? He's probably the best president since, who, FDR? And certainly more popular than any current candidate. Bill Clinton saved this fucking party after that disaster Carter (who had some good moments).

[99Forever]

141. I will have to work until I reach at least 70...

... because of the things Bill Clinton pushed and did while in office. I was set to retire comfortably at 62.

Perhaps my perspective of him being "probably the best president since, who, FDR" isn't quite the same as yours.

Ya think?

[truebrit71]

171. As Christopher Hitchens said, Bill got things passed that republicans....

... could only dream about...

[kath]

145. Bill Clinton did NOT save this party -in fact he did incredible damage to it with the goddam DLC

Bullshit, and damage to the 99% with so many of his disastrous policies: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world

"Best president since, who, FDR?"my ass.

[TeddyR]

175. You aren't serious?

You prefer Bush or Reagan? Maybe Nixon is more your speed.

[Warren DeMontague]

146. Oh, baloney. I supported Clinton at the time, but lets not whitewash his record.

His presidency hasn't held up so well in retrospect.

I think History will judge Obama as a more quietly transformative President who saw greater positive change in this nation AND helped us recover from a far deeper economic disaster.

[bigtree]

155. I had a young family during his term

...nothing but opportunity and upward mobility in that economy.

I think it's easily forgotten how many sectors of the the average working-class public saw their incomes and standard of living improve dramatically during that near-decade.

The revisionism which focuses on those who didn't benefit is certainly important to the individuals affected, but it's sophistry to portray that period as some economic failure.

[Warren DeMontague]

157. Im not portraying it as a failure. The 90s were exciting and saw some real prosperity.

But much of that was due to the internet and tech advancements, which Bill Clinton wasnt responsible for, and which in fact in some areas (in his go along to get along mode with the Gingrich congress) attempted to stymie through things like communications decency acts, clipper chips, and the like.

Fortunately the authoritarians decisively lost those battles, and silicon valley won.

[reddread]

169. Where has Gennifer Flowers gone? long time ago. Where have all the husbands gone?

gone for blowjobs every one.

only a selfish pig would put his rocks over national interest as sitting POTUS.
thats the problem.
thats the disgrace.

[emulatorloo]

176. As Bernie so eloquently put it: “Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton."

[reddread]

179. but she sure bears the shame of being his wife, and its not an act of heroism

Wonder what possessed Tipper Gore to divorce Al?

[Juicy_Bellows]

190. His insisting on listening to rap and metal.

She couldn't handle those devil lyrics.