So the BS'ers are throwing PP under the bus?

[trumad]

Fuck---maybe I should stay suspended by DU.

[geek tragedy]

1. Not all of us, not even most of us, just the usual obnoxious cranks

who have decided to use Bernie's campaign as a weapon in their own private war against reality

[trumad]

2. Unreal!

[emulatorloo]

8. +1

[Cha]

16. LOL.. as usual you hit the nail on the head. lol

[JoePhilly]

46. +1

[mcar]

68. You described it well geek tragedy

[joshcryer]

73. +1

Reddit was yet again insanity-ville. It was worse than Jong Lewis' endorsement.

[Buzz Clik]

76. +1!

[Number23]

101. I am a fan

May not mean much to you, but just a few days ago I was talking about how you and a few other Sanders supporters have always stood up against the loud and frequent attacks against minorities here.

I appreciate that immensely.

Edit: And I just noticed that emulator and josh were two of the folks high fiving your post. I sincerely appreciate all of you.

[geek tragedy]

119. Thx, feeling is mutual nt

[Hekate]

132. +1,000

Credit where credit id due, and gratefully so.

[JI7]

105. yup. They have been doing the same shit for years

[Number23]

107. You are most emphatically someone I should have referred to in my previous post

about Sanders supporters who have very clearly and loudly taken issue with the frequent attacks on minority posters and positions here.

I appreciate you too.

[JI7]

111. thank you

On this site i can't even relate to many who claim to support him.

Too many conspiracy theory types. And obsession with going after other democrats rather than doing anything for the candidate they say they support.

After this election and years from now it will be the same thing from them. Look back on many of their older posts . The same shit back then also.

[Number23]

120. You and I are just about always on the same page

And we certainly are on this point:

obsession with going after other democrats rather than doing anything for the candidate they say they support.

Yep. And you're right. None of this new and in fact has been going on for YEARS.

[joshcryer]

146. And you don't get this crap IRL.

So you know it's not originating from real life, substantial, supporters. Imagine if a Sanders supporter wore a t-shirt to a meetup saying "I'm not donating to Planned Parenthood because of their endorsement!" or some shit like that. Do you know how quickly that person would be ostracized, completely avoided?

Meanwhile if Sanders loses this thing (I'm not deluded, I know he's a long shot), and endorses Clinton, every smear that they use for Clinton supporters would apply to Sanders. Every single smear, because he'll be supporting Clinton. If that happens and Sanders goes on to stump for Clinton even 1/10th of the effort she expended for Obama in 2008 (no one should ever forget how gracefully she bowed out and how strong she campaigned, with Bill's reticence), he'll be nothing less than a "Clinton champion." How do you think his online "supporters" will react to that?

[JI7]

149. this is how i know these people are not involved in much outside the internet

people who support him aren't obsessed with who the DNC Chair is . they are talking about Sanders himself and why he should be president. why they want him to be president. and it has nothing to do with hillary or others being evil.

it's about what they like about sanders himself.

when i saw many of the worst "sanders supporters" online push the 9/11 conspiracy theories i knew these people were not really about supporting him. they have another agenda and using him to push it.

[Bobbie Jo]

116. Another +1

Much appreciated.

[randys1]

127. Ahh, the voice of reason..where have you been all my life

[MeNMyVolt]

143. +1 for you, and Josh....

... and Randy, Emul, Tom R..... I could go on and on. Lot's of great SBS supporters on this board.

[cali]

3. No. The vast majority of Sanders supporters are doing no such thing

[Iliyah]

4. Yep, and again and again its ugly.

[cali]

7. Bullshit. The vast majority of DU Sanders supporters support PP

[emulatorloo]

12. Of course, and the majority of DU Bernie supporters who support PP need to push back

against the loud minority of those Sanders supporters who are making outrageous claims about PP.

JMHO of course.

[Number23]

102. Please see post 101

Thanks a bushel

[JRLeft]

28. If one said it, we all said Hillary cult thought.

Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:54 PM - Edit history (1)

[99Forever]

5. I would say the exact opposite is the real truth.

You remember that, doncha?

Truth instead of "truthiness?"

Perhaps not.

[leftofcool]

6. Well, see, Bernie didn't get the PP endorsement

Now, that got some people really upset and now they want to with hold funds which they think will actually hurt PP/Hillary. They didn't know that the rest of us would just triple or quadruple our donations to make up the difference. Welcome back

[cali]

9. Horse shit. But then when I congratulated Clinton on the endorsement

And said I it doesn't alter my support, you said essentially, that I was lying and begrudged the endorsement.

[Buzz Clik]

10. It's been fun to watch, trumad.

I have absolutely no problem with Bernie, but his supporters at DU are an embarrassment.

[bobGandolf]

43. I would add Hilary's supporters at DU are an embarrassment

There are supporters from both camps have been an embarrassment on DU.

[Buzz Clik]

45. Of course you would.

I would be disappointed otherwise.

[stevenleser]

89. They are a HUGE embarrassment. Crapping all over BLM until one BLM group endorsed Bernie

upon which time they promptly reversed course, was the beginning of it.

That initial attack on BLM set the tone for everything that happened afterward. Unfortunately, that was much more than his supporters on DU. I think that somewhere around half his supporters, beyond DU, are like that.

[Number23]

103. It was surreal. And what was so astonishing is I think they genuinely believe that no one saw that

Crapping all over BLM until one BLM group endorsed Bernie upon which time they promptly reversed course, was the beginning of it.

And it wasn't a BLM "group" at all. It has been a small number of individual members.

All while simultaneously shrieking endlessly about "Camp Weathervane."

[Bobbie Jo]

110. I'm beginning to sense a pattern...

Unbelievable.

[Sheepshank]

123. Rep Lewis.

The way he was berated, and attacked here..add that to the sickening Trend

[HerbChestnut]

11. Don't let a narrative get in the way of reality.

Most Bernie supporters here are just fine with PP. Sure, they disagree with the endorsement, but they don't have any problems with the organization itself.

[leftofcool]

13. Really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=94177

[HerbChestnut]

14. One thread does not a concensus make.

[trumad]

17. One thread with 153 recs...

Kind of tells you something eh?

[HerbChestnut]

18. And if you read down that thread

You'll notice that a lot of people are disappointed by what's happening to PP regarding the endorsement and that many are advocating donating to both Bernie and PP. Even the OP shares their disappointment.

[trumad]

19. 153 recs

[bvar22]

35. One of those recs is mine, and I'm proud of it.

I support both PP and Bernie Sanders.
I believe it was a mistake for PP to endorse anybody. I had always seen them as a non-partisan group in Democratic Primaries. (This IS their first Primary endorsement).

Not anymore. They have hitched their wagon to the Conservative Democrats now, and
I don't believe they will be able to "unhitch" it.
That was a huge mistake.

I will continue to support Planned Parenthood, but will make my displeasure with their meddling in Primary Party Politics known.

[joshcryer]

95. I don't believe you support Sanders.

If Sanders got the endorsement you wouldn't be complaining about meddling.

[MeNMyVolt]

144. +1 So perfect!

[Autumn]

133. I recced that thread, I support Bernie and PP.

Don't like the idea of them endorsing during the primary, which is something they have never done before, they have always stood above it all. Damn proud of that rec, gonna go kick it now.

[cali]

15. Yeah, really.

[2pooped2pop]

20. that may have changed once they found out that the endorsement was possibly bought

pp bigwig's daughter apparently working for Hillary? Does seem like a conflict of interest situation, but they waded in anyway and endorsed prior to the primary being concluded. I imagine most financial supporters will realign with pp but many want to show that they should be considered as well.

[trumad]

25. Uh huh

[sufrommich]

27. The ease at which you drag this woman's name though the

mud is truly disturbing. Lily Adams has a long history of working on democratic campaigns,her mother has fought for reproductive rights her whole adult life,her grandmother was governor of Texas and an icon in the woman's rights movement. That's 3 goddamned generations of women who have fought for democrats and women. This disgusts me beyond belief.

[2pooped2pop]

31. and they have never endorsed anyone in the primaries until Hillary

hires the daughter. I find that a little too cozy and convenient and oh so much like what Hillary does.

[sufrommich]

32. Ugh. I'm sorry I even replied to this shit.nt

[2pooped2pop]

34. as am I

sorry that you replied. but oh well.

[JoePhilly]

50. If she went to work for Bernie, they'd be high fiving over it.

[leftofcool]

71. If Bernie had received this endorsement the responses would be like..........

"See, we told you Bernie was better on women's issues because PP endorsed him."

[randys1]

129. I am not sorry you did because your first response to that person was pure genius.

I LOVED this part

"The ease at which you drag that Woman's name through the mud"

brilliant prose, right to the god damn point...

I am now a fan

[cali]

53. I agree.

[MrChuck]

56. so why endorse in the primary? That's what even the worst of Bernie supporters are on about.

You don't arrive at a place in your life where you support Sanders as a candidate and simultaneously seek to dismantle an agency like PP. If you do then you are extremely on the rare.
So what could motivate this backlash? Could it be that the endorsement is a slap in the face to TWO other democratic candidates that have great records standing up for women's rights and PP?
It's dirty fucking pool and that's why people are mad.

[Hekate]

137. The one who has the "great record" is Hillary, thank you.No one wants to touch women's health rights

...at all. Most of the men in Congress, even Dems, are oh so squeamish when it comes to the full range of women's necessary health care. Mr Chuck.

PP is constantly under attack, often physical and deadly attack. Who stood up for them in Congress, even testifying before their all-male committee? Hillary Clinton, that's who.

You say: "It's dirty fucking pool and that's why people are mad." You bet it is. Just coming the other way.

[stevenleser]

124. None of that matters to the many cranks that Geek Tragedy referenced upthread.

That group of Sanders supporters is ready to throw anyone under the bus at anytime if they dare endorse someone other than Saint Bernard. And they are just as ready to reverse course if some of that group endorse Bernie, as we saw with BLM.

They're not just cranks, depending on the person, cranks can be somewhat funny or interesting.

This particular group of Sanders supporters are mean, angry, rabid cranks.

[randys1]

130. And unless they are Rove plants, do they not understand the death that will occur if

the GOP takes the WH?

Do they think that is hyperbole by folks like me?

Are they that out of touch?

Maybe they should look at Flint MI, do they YET have water?

[Hekate]

135. Amen. Nothing matters except tearing down Democrats.

Makes you wonder...

[cali]

51. That's fucking ridiculous. She's well qualified and it's nuts to think

that there's any conflict of interest

[2pooped2pop]

72. uh huh

but but but...Bernie has his family work for him.

[LiberalArkie]

69. It is not big deal. A kid wants to work in politics and get some experience. I can easily see a

young woman choosing to want to work for Hillary real easily. As for the organization supporting HRC for the primary, so what. Even if throwing PP's support behind HRC was necessary to get Lily Adams the job with HRC, I still do not see a problem. None of them are holders of any political office at this time. I have know plenty of business people hire business friends kids for jobs.

As far as "OMG Bernie won't support PP now", I really can't see him ever not supporting Planned Parenthood and especially women rights.

[geek tragedy]

83. the 'kid' was Tim Kaine's press secretary nt

[LiberalArkie]

86. So?

[geek tragedy]

88. This isn't a case of a 'kid' being handed a position to

get experience. It's a highly qualified operative joining a campaign.

This is Ann Richards's granddaughter-she was born into political activism.

[emulatorloo]

97. She's well qualified for the job.

And she's not some "kid"

[Betty Karlson]

21. PP's PAC overplayed its hand - and like DWS is feeling the popular backlash.

How biased and tunnel-visioned does a PAC have to be not to see that coming?

[trumad]

26. Oh but according to some in this thread---it's a minority.

But according to you---it's a popular backlash.

You BS'ers need to coordinate a bit better.

[2pooped2pop]

33. that's the thing, we don't coordinate.

It's a group composed of individuals that often see the same bullshit smeared on the wall.

[Autumn]

39. Coordination goes on at some sites behind closed doors . I don't know of any Sanders site

that has secret rooms.

[2pooped2pop]

40. nor do I, but then I don't really frequent his sites.

I'm voting for him, no matter what. I do get facebook feeds from his site though.

[Betty Karlson]

80. Is that what camp Clinton's keyboard warriors do: co-ordinate?

That explains the concerted alert-stalking of late.

[trumad]

81. I just came off of suspension

Damn right there's alert stalking.

[Warren Stupidity]

121. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy thing you've got

going there. Your own behavior reinforces your belief that you are being persecuted. You do realize that there is a simpler explanation that fits the data, right?

[mythology]

122. That goes both ways

There are a lot of Sanders supporters who claim they are alert stalked and refuse to acknowledge that sometimes individual posters go too far and get the requisite number of hides.

[Warren Stupidity]

125. Oh Trumad probably does have a target on his back.

So do I, so does just about everyone who posts in GDP, but the point is that he goes out of his way to make blatant personal attacks, so he gets hides a lot and as I now see he is back on another time out. He seems to think he is a special victim when instead he just makes himself an easy target.

[MoonRiver]

94. What backlash?

Do you think the whining by some on DU is going to in any way effect the good work done by PP? Seriously rofl!

[Hekate]

138. PP deals with DEATH THREATS on a daily basis, some of which are carried out.

Even staffers' kids get stalked. You really think this internet hoo-ha is going to bother them?

[Betty Karlson]

147. The cancelled donations is what I refer to. eom

[ucrdem]

22. Yes, also the DNC, head of the DNC, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Howard Dean,

John Lewis, and most of the Democratic congressional delegation. That's a big bus.

[MuseRider]

23. Nope, not all of us anyway.

I see no reason to stop health care for those who need PP to provide it just because they support someone I do not. Talk about hurting your own cause.

I said on an earlier thread that I would suspect that Bernie and Jane Sanders donate to PP (I do NOT know this but it would be something likely). Does anyone think for one minute he would stop donating to them because of this? I don't.

I think this is ridiculous, it is kinda sad for me since I do not support Hillary but it makes sense and I cannot even imagine not donating to them. My husband was going to stop our donations, I am just very glad I was sitting here when he said he was going to do that. Even he was reasonable when I brought this up.

[one_voice]

61. Nice post...

Talk about hurting your own cause.

Exactly. ^^^

Planned Parenthood helps the people that Democrats are supposed to help.

[OilemFirchen]

24. Petulant children who've never financially supported a liberal organization...

threatening to continue to do the same.

Color me unimpressed.

[2pooped2pop]

36. oh darn, now you've hurt us.

[OilemFirchen]

42. A perfectly illustrative response.

Who could have predicted that?

[2pooped2pop]

44. Please, you are not better than a single person on this site or elsewhere

so take your holier than thou name calling and place it elsewhere.

[OilemFirchen]

62. Well, I'm not a petulant child. I'm content to use that as a metric.

And I'm perfectly happy posting here, thank you.

[2pooped2pop]

64. You can post, but your name calling does say you are the child.

rather than those of us you refer to.

[OilemFirchen]

74. Fascinating.

An observation that there are petulant children posting here is "name calling". "Name calling" makes me a "child". Which is, of couse, absolutely not "name calling".

You funny.

[2pooped2pop]

77. uh huh go with that.

children are often fascinated by simple things.

[OilemFirchen]

82. I just did.

It's in the post right above yours.

[2pooped2pop]

84. ok, thats the best you got then

I will end it here. I know you won't be able to stop yourself from answering and continuing this silly game, so I am letting you know that you can go ahead and get last word just so we can end it. have fun with it.

[joshcryer]

93. I'm donating a hundred bucks to PP RIGHT NOW.

I'd post a thread but it'd get hidden.

[Number23]

106. Post it anyway.

And see my post 101 in this thread

[OilemFirchen]

114. Thank you.

[Douglas Carpenter]

29. very few are - most of us still support Planned Parenthood

But, do not agree with PP's endorsement of Hillary.

[MoonRiver]

30. The loud mouthed ones here are.

I would like to hear Bernie state his unequivocal support for PP.

[2pooped2pop]

38. I don't doubt at all that Bernie still supports pp

and as I have said previously, I am sure most of his supporters do as well. However I do not blame pp contributors in withholding their money for another cause when this cause stepped so quickly into the mud. I guess they could just say "hey cut it out" but money does seem to talk. It's their right to withhold or not, however most will most likely continue as before.

pp should have endorsed the democrat after the primary, but suddenly they wanted to inject themselves into this and after Clinton hires the daughter?

[MoonRiver]

41. There are many more Hillary supporters than Bernie supporters.

I'm sure that PP will see a net gain in contributions after it's endorsement. I gave to them immediately after learning about it.

[2pooped2pop]

47. so there you go.

It all works out fine and those making it an issue now have no issue.

[MoonRiver]

52. Majority rules

Isn't that the Democratic way?

[2pooped2pop]

66. so according to you this is all working out well for pp

so why are people spending so much time trying to convince others how terrible they are if they want to change their donation?

[MoonRiver]

78. What's working out well?

[2pooped2pop]

79. the supposed backlash to pp

for selling themselves to Clinton and apparently angering people. So am I mistaken? Didn't you say that there are many more Hillary supporters who essentially are more than making up for any donations withheld by the offended? Maybe I got it mixed up.

[MoonRiver]

87. I just don't think this outrage will amount to much.

I do believe it is sickening how some will turn on an icon of liberal support for women because of politics.

[Hekate]

139. "when this cause stepped so quickly into the mud" LOLZ.After a century of being jailed, harrassed...

...beaten, sued, and MURDERED, you say Planned Parenthood leadership has "stepped quickly" into this particular action?

[Autumn]

37. No. All the posts I have seen express some degree of disappointment but they still

stand with PP.

[Armstead]

48. Is being pissed at them and disagreeing with something they did, the same as tossing under the bus?

[dogman]

49. I am not in either camp.

But it sure appears to me that the BS and MOM supporters were thrown under the bus by PP. Some supported PP but it ignored that support and ignored tradition by supporting a candidate in the primary. I don't blame PP but I think it should be looking for better leadership.

[stone space]

126. Somebody posted the text of the endorsement in another thread.

But it sure appears to me that the BS and MOM supporters were thrown under the bus by PP.

Nobody was thrown under the bus by PP.

[RandySF]

54. Pretty much

Never mind what PP does for women every day. Some people want to cut ff contributions over presidential candidates.

[Blue_In_AK]

55. I'm a Bernie supporter

who also supports Planned Parenthood. Of course the organization is free to endorse whomever they choose, but I personally find it somewhat questionable that the endorsement was given after Cecile Richards' daughter was hired by Hillary's campaign. One or the other - but both together gives the appearance of quid pro quo, whether or not intended.

This is my concern with Sec. Clinton's candidacy - whether or not justified, her negatives are real.

[TCJ70]

57. Nah, there's literally only one source for it anywhere on the internet...

...that's hardly proof of anything. Sanders supporters think it's a bonehead move but that's about it.

[aikoaiko]

58. I havent' seen it? Have you?

[aikoaiko]

100. Nevermind, I see that you are on time out already.

[Attorney in Texas]

59. I'm donating to congressional candidates who support continued funding of Planned Parenthood which

seems to be a good way to support Planned Parenthood.

[DFW]

60. I would have not made an endorsement until the primary winner was clear

However, there is NO WAY in the world I will stop supporting PP. They do too much good for this to make that kind of difference.

Besides, I agree with the majority of Sanders supporters and the rest: first off, the endorsement, no matter how misguided, is nowhere near enough of an issue to make me stop supporting all the good work PP does. Second, if PP had endorsed Sanders, there would have been nothing but jubilation among his supporters, although the smart ones would be saying exactly the same thing they are saying now--they did not agree with PP making an endorsement at this early stage, no matter who it was they endorsed.

And I don't care what anyone says, I still love Cecile!

[pangaia]

63. I just looked at the "Donner Party" thread..

here....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027513642

Which is quite hilarious, BTW.

Much of THIS thread about throwing PP under the bus reminds me
of this reply on THAT Donner thread.

[Attorney in Texas]

65. How would you react if Planned Parenthood endorsed George Pataki?

[trumad]

67. Oh so Hillary is Pataki?

Do you BS'ers even hear yourselves?

[Attorney in Texas]

70. Hillary Clinton isn't even Bill Clinton (let along Pataki). Ideologically, Hillary is about midway

between Pataki and Sanders.

Pataki was the Republican candidate who had the least bad record on reproductive liberties and the most support for Planned Parenthood.

If Planned Parenthood had endorsed Pataki, how would you react?

[trumad]

75. You mean the same guy that believes the smear against PP

The guy who believes the undercover videos that falsely accuse PP of selling body parts...that guy?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/07/pataki-i-understand-being-baffled-by-my-abortion-stance/

[geek tragedy]

85. what if "B-e-r-n-i-e" was pronounced "Hillary?" nt

[stevenleser]

90. LMAO. Reminded me of this...

[Gothmog]

91. I stand with Planned Parenthood

[joshcryer]

92. They are not Sanders supporters.

Fuck this shit.

[SixString]

96. "Fuck---maybe I should stay suspended by DU."

That didn't take long.

[joshcryer]

98. Seems DUers are thin skinned about being ratfucked.

[Hekate]

140. They certainly are. So many rodents, so little time.

And just in case your comment disappears, here it is: Seems DUers are thin skinned about being ratfucked.

[aikoaiko]

108. Perfect song for the occasion

[Starry Messenger]

99. PP was lauded when they posted a positive article about Bernie back in NOV.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251766265

A girl could get whiplash trying to keep track of who gets to sit on the bus and who gets to sit under it.

[Number23]

109. Great catch, Starry

[Starry Messenger]

115. Perhaps it was all part of The Plan!11

[joshcryer]

113. This shit is crazy.

I got a hide for pointing it out, first hide a year. I wish the alerter had the guts to tell me who they are but I suspect it's one of my many ignored.

This tops everything though. PP has been in the crosshairs forever, and now this?

[Hekate]

141. PP: quite literally in the crosshairs, but everyone I've pointed that out to has not answered.

Some people have gone batshit crazy.

[randys1]

134. Great catch. BTW, think about what it means for PP to make their first EVER endorsement

If that is in fact the case, not sure.

But if it is, think what that means.

Think about how crucial PP must see this next election.

And not that they believe Hillary is much better, if at all, than Bernie at Women's rights, but that Hillary is the best chance to defeat the political party which is on record stating they want to DESTROY Planned Parenthood.

This is no surprise.

[Warren DeMontague]

104. For the record, I have no problem with it. PP can endorse as they choose.

Doesn't change the fundamentals of the work they do, or the need to support it.

[Stuart G]

112. So???..an endorsement does not have anything to do with what Planned Parenthood does to help people.

What Planned Parenthood does..is save peoples lives, through tests and it provides free and reduced cost contraception. Shit..no one that is here should be against PP for any reason.

[Capt. Obvious]

117. I'm sure you'll oblige soon enough

[Capt. Obvious]

118. LOL

I didn't realize when I posted that you were already on timeout again.

[Matariki]

128. No. But I'm very disappointed with that endorsement

and let them know. Especially in light of the 'kid pro quo'.

They could have waited until *after* the primary.

[lovemydog]

131. No. Maybe some are. A small few.

Most aren't.

[Dawson Leery]

136. It will be both hilarious and sad

watching Trump and Bernie explain away their unworkable plans in the debates.

[wildeyed]

142. This place is making me poor.

Every time someone calls me "oligarch" I make a small donation to Clinton. And now PP is on the gravy train. Oh well, goes to a good cause. And oligarchs like me are rolling in it

[SoLeftIAmRight]

145. Well - you sure jumped back in it

first

just days before we start making the decision for our candidate, pp does something they have never done before

that in itself is enough to warrant some attention


second

they are fucked if a pug wins the whitehouse

they chose to tempt fate and do something that could piss off a group of people who will support them

stupid


third

Hillary already has more than enough garbage being thrown at her

the seeming quid pro quo that is involved makes it even worse


welcome back