2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPodesta Warns Sanders On Clinton Sex Scandals: 'I Hope He's Not Going There'
By NICK GASS 01/11/16 03:00 PM EST Updated 01/11/16 04:36 PM EST
Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman on Monday said he hopes Bernie Sanders doesn't go after the former secretary of state over her husband's sexual infidelities. The issue has reemerged with Donald Trump's stepped-up attacks on the matter over the course of the past month.
"Well, I hope he's not I hope he's not going there. He said that he was going to run a positive campaign, that he wasn't going to go in for personal attacks, and I take him at his word on that," John Podesta told MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports."
Mitchell had referenced Sanders' remarks from last Friday in which he called the former president's past personal conduct "totally, totally disgraceful and unacceptable" but hastened to add that he was running against Hillary Clinton, not her husband. Sanders, Mitchell remarked, had not exactly dismissed Trump's comments about the former president as he had done with swirling questions about her "damn emails" in the October Democratic debate.
Bill Clinton "remains an asset for us," Podesta said, adding that the former president would continue to campaign on behalf of his wife.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/john-podesta-bernie-sanders-clinton-sex-scandals-217580#ixzz3wyxcVbvX
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Sorry, John, no time today. I'm dusting off a TON of Clinton scandals. They went for the throat. We can do that.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)The guy that tries to sucker punch you and misses... then says "Hey, don't hit me. I'm wearing glasses".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)They are running out of excuses.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)HRC's Campaign must be PANICKED.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)for Hillary then what is public because the attacks today truly seem desperate - throw anything and everything at Bernie to see if anything sticks.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Unless Clinton Inc. cheats like crazy bringing in ringers from outside... she is toast!
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)They will be hitting on thousands of different fronts. You know they all had some big four-alarm meeting where they all decided that Bernie threatens not just Hillary, but the entire future of these corporatist Dems that have tried to hijack our party and drive it into a Republican lite sewer.
I've been a Democrat my entire life, and I will be pleased when this nefarious, corporate-centric faction of our party is nuked from orbit by the voters and by President Bernie Sanders.
Then, we can return to being the party of FDR and not some mutant strain of Democrat that wants wars, corporate corruption, dirty money in politics and our jobs shipped to China due to horrible trade agreements.
No more!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Every lie, every scandal, every struggling person screwed over so Bill could out-GOP the GOP, all of these and more will come home to roost. I saw them go for my candidate's throat today. Do they want to come out and play? By all means, come out and play.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Been saying this for way, way, way too long!!!!
840high
(17,196 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Sienna86
(2,149 posts)It'll be the 90's all over again. Former President Clinton has some questionable issues with women.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Didn't they KNOW Bill's past would come up?
rurallib
(62,411 posts)what's he supposed to do? He gave his opinion and tried to move on. He said it has nothing to do with this race.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Yesterday: Iowa's voters are sexist and racist,
Today: Bernie stole HRC's data,
Tomorrow: Bernie made derogatory remarks about
a former great president
All this to explain her flailing campaign.
What will it be on Wednesday?????
haikugal
(6,476 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This conversation doesn't hurt Clinton.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Of course Senator Sanders is too much of a gentleman to go for the jugular but the Clinton campaign pushed Bill Clinton to the forefront and they have to expect that all of his many fuckups, sexual as well as political, are going to be fair game in this primary. But if she survives the primaries, she'd better be prepared to be hammered about Bill around the clock. And not in a nice polite Bernie Sanders way either.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Bill Clinton is only a very questionable asset, thank goodness.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Mitchell had referenced Sanders' remarks from last Friday in which he called the former president's past personal conduct "totally, totally disgraceful and unacceptable" but hastened to add that he was running against Hillary Clinton, not her husband. Sanders, Mitchell remarked, had not exactly dismissed Trump's comments about the former president as he had done with swirling questions about her "damn emails" in the October Democratic debate.
That was the first criticism from Trump that Hillary nor Bill could or did reply to, now why is that?
Trump's criticism muted Hillary's criticism of him being a sexist or misogynist, despite the fact that he is.
The same thing will happen in the General Election should Hillary be the nominee.
Bernie has already gone the extra mile defending Hillary whether it was corporate media infatuation with her e-mails during the first debate or Trump's ridiculous criticism of her going to the bathroom during the last one, many lesser candidates would've just stayed quite on both occasions.
Has Hillary defended Bernie against Republican Criticism, if she has I missed it.
Thanks for the thread, Purveyor.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)He answered ONE question, in a way that made it clear he's not interested in dwelling on Bill's misadventures, and suddenly the parrots are acting like he's talking about it at every press opportunity.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)global1
(25,242 posts)They are using Bill at their peril. If they didn't realize Bill as a liability - then they are really, really bad at directing a campaign.
I actually believe Bill is as toxic to Hillary as Dubya would be to Jeb!. I don't know why they didn't realize that.
As far as Bernie going negative - I don't think he has. He just was stating a point that what Bill did was reprehensible. I believe he went on to say that "He's running against Hillary - not Bill" and went on expounding on his platform.
I think Podesta is just saying this 'negative' stuff - to put the thought out there/cast a doubt in people's minds. I think the Clinton campaign is getting desperate and their internal polls must be really bad.
Bernie has been developing momentum as we are seeing in the polls and we are finally hearing on MSM.
If Podesta is worried about 'negative comments on Bill' - he ain't seen nothing yet if Bill keeps campaigning for Hillary. The Repugs will use Bill against Hillary and in a much more damaging way - then Bernie just saying that what Bill did was reprehensible (which most people think anyway).
If Hillary's campaign managers are smart - they would pull Bill ASAP. Send him on a long trip until the primaries are over. And if Hillary should emerge as the Dem nominee - make sure he extends that trip til after the General Election.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If Bill Clinton is as toxic as George Walker Bush why did Barack Obama ask him to make the nomination address at the 2012 Democratic Convention:
and why was Bill Clinton the first person he called after he was re-elected to thank?
Thank you in advance.
Respectfully,
DSB
global1
(25,242 posts)And he was probably rewarding Bill for sabotaging Hillary's campaign back then and allowing him to go on to win the Presidency.
Just my humble opinion.
Sorry
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And the thank you was for his work during the 2012 campaign.
Respectfully,
DSB
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Bill Clinton. I may have some serious differences with our
POTUS, but I respect him and his family.
I agree with Bernie that BC' s affairs , but more so his total
lies about it was disgraceful. That this is coming up now
because of the Dumpster, had to be expected, considering
how that vile demagogue operates.
So no Obama has in these matters the cleanest bill of health,
and I resent any comparison.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I will re-post what I posted, verbatim, and can you please point out where i was wrong instead of lecturing me as if I am your charge:
-global 1
and why was Bill Clinton the first person he called after he was re-elected to thank?
Thank you in advance.
Respectfully,
DSB
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Not my intention at all. I just detest comparison between
those two. Both are politically excellent, but one is a gentleman
while the other is not,imo.
I think for a while Clinton was very popular and that was good
for Obama's support. I also believe that the between the two
of them they discussed HRC's future plans and a run for the WH.
By now BC may not be as popular due to several of his policies
as well as the Dumster's attack on him. I don't believe that in
the case of a Bernie win BC would be asked to make such a
a speech. I could be wrong, of course, but we will see.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)As to Clinton's character I believe he is a decent guy but a recovering philanderer. When Lady Bird Johnson was reminded of her husband's philandering she casually said "Lyndon loved everybody."
All I said was that PBO asked WJC to make his nomination speech and he was the first person PBO called to thank after he was re-elected.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)issue. She has decades of serious work on those issues - a genuinely strong record. As long as Trump is throwing this out there and Bill is out there, it cuts against HRC.
Whether or not she did anything wrong, the story out there is that she was an enabler and, to protect Bill, tried to silence the women. If this story is false - she needs to find a strong way to deny it. Consider her very strong comments that women's allegations need to listened to -- pitch perfect - unless there is some merit in the obnoxious Trump accusation. Part of the problem is that these accusations are mostly inferred - something the odious Trump does well - making it really hard to fight.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)First when her husband stepped out and then again when her nemeses try to make political hay out of it. I believe she will emerge from this victorious. That's my opinion. I have every right to hold it, and as long as I am vertical I am not going to alter it.
Thank you in advance.
Respectfully,
DSB
karynnj
(59,503 posts)The ONLY negative for Hillary Clinton is if she attempted to smear the women in general or specific.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Just as when a man has an affair with a married woman he is disrespecting the husband.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)In terms of Hillary, Bill Clinton betrayed her and disrespected her repeatedly.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Some men are only as loyal as their opportunities.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)"how is Hillary going to control Bill from keeping his hands off the White House interns?"
I suspect from the Clinton campaign perspective that they feel it's now going to be a problem for some voters.
You know the GOP are going to stoke those thoughts and for the (often sexually hypocritical) religious right, they'll be hand-wringing at the pulpit, prayin' to their Lord to keep the sex heathen out of the White House!.
So sad. But it's like a wedge issue. Or like Benghazi. Scrape a few more points off Hillary.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Bwahahahahahahahaha....
... from the mouth of the chairman of one of the sleaziest campaigners in modern history.
Yeah, yeah Johnny boy, we'll be sure to give a fuck what you say. In fact, a whole bunch of them.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Or speaking out of both side of your mouth, or find the pea under the walnut game by switching the objects around and you're supposed to "guess" where the pea is.
Obfuscating and trying to make it look like something else. Same playbook, no matter who the run against.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Podesta's lobbying firm (Clinton has a lobbyist as campaign manager remember) represents all sorts of lovely people like arms manufacturers and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Podesta is currently helping SA stay out of the US press while they - with help from the UK and US - bomb civilians and starve 2,000,000 kids in Yemen.
By helping SA bomb Yemen - and selling them billions of dollars in weapons - the US is helping ISIS and Al Qaeda in Yemen.
And Podesta is helping to make sure you don't see it on your news.
840high
(17,196 posts)the news but we are aware of this. Thanks.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!
ram2008
(1,238 posts)They want Bernie to go there so Hillary can play the victim and try to make it look like he's the one that's attacking. Not gonna happen.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Bernie DIDN'T attack her or Bill, so now they take his comment and turn it into something it's not. By doing this they can kinda/sorta SAY Bernie "implied" statements, while not actually accusing him.
They're trying to bait him into responding by insinuating this. Hoping he'll say that's NOT what he said or implied. Regardless, they're also making it "seem" as though this is what he actually meant but didn't say.
THEY KEEP THE ISSUE FRONT & CENTER and make sure her supporters can manipulate the issue as they want! Trying too hard too hard to be too clever! Remember when you wear a silk gown, you can see right through it!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)like the dumb-smart thing they usually do
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)The Sunday shows were a circus.
Let Hillary defend Bill.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)It was that the entire steaming pile of white trash drama kept a lot of us defending somebody we actually despised because the republicans were so over the top in their pursuit of him. While we were so busy sticking up for Clinton he was selling the country out to the corporations and the 1% and we were too distracted by all his scandals to pay attention.
Is that his fault? No, but fool me once shame on.., fool me..., won't get fooled again, as Clinton's "brother from another mother"Bush Jr. once said.