Move On Endorses Bernie, with 79% of the Vote.

[Fawke Em]

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has won the endorsement of MoveOn.org, a grassroots organization that has been at the forefront of liberal causes.

MoveOn says the Vermont senator was supported by nearly 79 percent of its membership in an online vote. Hillary Clinton received nearly 15 percent.

MoveOn endorsed President Barack Obama during the 2008 primaries and helped rally Democrats in opposition to the Iraq War. The group lists 8 million members and says it plans to mobilize nearly 75,000 of its members in Iowa and New Hampshire on Sanders' behalf.

http://www.newser.com/article/cf2b646867bf4cc98c4a21cda4d0cf25/democratic-presidential-candidate-bernie-sanders-has-won-the-endorsement-of-moveonorg-a-grassroots.html

[99Forever]

1. Damn clickster whippersnappers.

Her Highness is not pleased!

[Tommy2Tone]

78. No surprise here

Move on has moved away from being relevant.

[99Forever]

80. You run with that pal.

See ya in Des Moines.

[A Simple Game]

81. Nothing but “f*#king retards" aren't they? n/t

[seabeyond]

2. Good for Sanders. See, we do not really have to diss our Democratic orgs, or people, or throw a

a little hissy fit, or attack their web pages with epic insults and vile comments.


Simple, Good for Sanders. Glad to see him get an endorsement and two. And this is a cool Democratic org to get the endorsement from.

[Lucky Luciano]

12. Transparent voting process helps.

I think it is good that they require a supermajority to endorse too. With a close 51-49 endorsement, the risk of a schism is great. However, with a supermajority, there is nothing ambiguous about how the org feels.

[seabeyond]

19. Nothing helps vile, nasty attack on Democrats, our womens org, from fellow Democrats. Unacceptable

No can validate an attack on PP or a woman that lost her son.

[Lucky Luciano]

25. Attacking PP is bad. Questioning how they endorsed is ok...

...but the services they provide are too valuable to attack the entire org. Attacking Trayvon's mom is altogether bad.

[seabeyond]

28. Or Gifford. PP can endorse at will, as can Move on. Nt

[Lucky Luciano]

40. PP can endorse at will -of course, but without transparency,

...They are open to criticism. Move-on had good transparency that is hard to criticize.

Giffords can endorse whoever she wants - as a public person, she is open to criticism, but people should not be assholes about it if they were.

[seabeyond]

45. This is beyond criticism firstly. Second, why? Who even cares. Just endorsements. All Democrats.

Oh wait, not all Democrats. But, at least the Democrats do know that we are all in this together and an endorsement does not warrant attack.

Hence, congrats Sanders, on a fine endorsement from our Democratic org, Move on.

[Lucky Luciano]

50. "Beyond criticism" I will interpret as people being assholes.

Nobody should be an asshole - agreed.


I will also admit I see more asshole behavior from Bernie supporters.

I see more arrogant behavior from HRC supporters.

[karynnj]

68. Agreed, but I wonder if you are too fast to label any attacks on someone as coming from Sanders

supporters.

Especially when speaking of Trayvon Martin's mom, I seriously don't believe that the anonymous garbage was from Democrats - supporting anyone. That said, I was very surprised at the comments that this was a very very significant endorsement - not that it is not a good one.

If you think back to past years, in any election, it is hard to label more than about 5 endorsements as likely to have moved votes. (For instances, in 2008 - I would name just Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Oprah. The first two were important because they were an answer to is he ready enough. However, note that the three most important 2004 endorsements were likely Gore and Harkin for Dean ... and Kennedy for Kerry. I would argue that the combination of Gore and Harkin, who both served with Kerry in the Senate was likely stronger than Kennedy, which was a very strong, committed endorsement - but easily seen as supporting the favorite son of the state. )

[BainsBane]

21. Jury results

On Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:43 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Good for Sanders. See, we do not really have to diss our Democratic orgs, or people, or throw a
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=997836

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Irony aside...Throw a "hissy fit"? Using sexist language (hysterectomy/hysterical) is over the top rude.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:48 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is obviously sarcasm, but come on. Hissy fit is now over the top sexist?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Do you even know what a hissy is? Google is your friend. It means tantrum and it is not reserved for one sex or the other. ADMINS: No, no there is no alert stalking.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hissy fit is "sexist"? *sigh* My cat, who hisses at other cats (which is the context I first heard the term used), is sexist.

She will be devastated to learn this.

Abuse of alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This dishonest alerts about sexism are getting out of hand. I hope the administrators look at the alerter and see exactly what is going on here.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It appears that seabeyond is still a target. No dice alerter.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[seabeyond]

24. Omg, this place is amazing. And jurors? Thank you so much for being aware, and making

a statement.

Thanks BB

[BainsBane]

30. This thread of mine was alerted on for sexism too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=33506

then an SOP alert from someone scandalized by images of women doing yoga.

[seabeyond]

34. Ya. I actually got a hide this round for being a sexist. I saw yours. Must be the new angle,

now that oot has been played out.

[BainsBane]

36. oot

[seabeyond]

41. ;)

[seabeyond]

26. I have a pm to read from a poster I do not interact with, I looked to see if a hide.

I need to read. Subject is alert stalking, so I guess there is more than one jury. Will have to see what the poster says, but... good for those that get this alert stalking crap.

[roguevalley]

58. I got a pm from someone. I have them on ignore

They weren't content with ridicule on thread. Another hit to h.r.c. for me.

[seabeyond]

62. Love you rogue, even on the other side. Nt.

[roguevalley]

76. back at ya, seabeyond. Hugs from me. I wish this was better and different. No matter what, I love ya

[seabeyond]

77. Aaaaahhhhh. Thank you. And I totally agree.

?w=812

[Kelvin Mace]

35. My OED lists mutliple possible derivations for "hissy fit"

1) From "histrionics"

2) From "hysterical"

3) From the hissing of cats or geese.

"Hysteria" certainly was used in a sexist manner once upon a time, but the context has faded. Hysterical, I would point out, also means "extremely funny", which is hardly sexist.

This alert was patently disingenuous.

Next up, "denigrate" becomes racist.

[Quayblue]

65. ....

No way.... No further comment from me. Smh

[Armstead]

49. A half-nice of you

Kudos for the nice half..

As for the otehr half ..."a little hissy fit, or attack their web pages with epic insults and vile comments."

A) How endorsements are done matters. Move On polled their members...PP held meetings about their "values" snd the concerns of members, and then the leadership decided that they were going to endorse Clinton, not coincidentally a friend and political ally their director.

B)Some assholes write insulting nasty shit on web pages or Facebook pages. A few are from Bernie supporters. But many of those are from wingnuts...... And a great majority of of the "vile comments" I've seen on those comment pages from Sanders supporters are of the natuire of "I respect you, but I disagree with your choice of Clinton. I believe Bernie Sanders is a much better candidate and will do more to help advance the causes we believe in,"

[seabeyond]

52. Ya. I am not feeling great with the attack of any Dems that endorse Clinton. But especially not our

own Democratic war on women with PP. Then, to go after Gifford? Our Dem shot in the head. And one step further with the woman that lost her son? Ya, I am sorry I cannot give you what you want. I cannot tell you how beyond disgusted I am with the attacks on our Dems. Attacks on our women. Attacks on our hurt.

Ya. You are right, not 100%.

Is that really my bad?

[Armstead]

54. There is a difference between an an attach/swarm and disagreements

Many supporters of Sanders are being pro-active -- but most are doing it civilly. And for the most part the majority of responses I see described as awful disgusting attacks from that horde of awful rude Sanders supporters are very polite and restrained.

And anytime one takes a stand, such as endorsing a candidate, one has to expect there will be reactions and responds, especially on social media.That's called public debate.

[seabeyond]

61. Hence, me choosing the wording I did. I am well aware of what I read.

[Punkingal]

3. 8 million members? Wow, didn't know there were that many!

[Betty Karlson]

4. Message from Third-Way Betty:

"This is just another online poll where 380,000 millennials innihilated their keyboards to deny Clinton the coronation... I mean the nomination, that she deserves in Debbie's totally unbiased opinion. These keyboard-innihilating millennials are actually complacent and will not show up to vote anyway, which is why this endorsement must be ignored.

"75 % of 380,000 is 295,000 endorsements of Bernie Sanders - and that's more than all the endorsements of the party elite ... I mean the party ... I mean my pals, combined. So obviously this endorsement didn't happen, which is why my friends in the media will not report on it.

"I sure hope that those 295,000 Sanderistas have bad health, so we can arrest them for growing medical marijuana. Happily, after all the fracking Secretary Clinton lobbied for, their health must have taken a hit or two..."

[seabeyond]

5. You guys cannot even enjoy your win, can you? I see Clinton people congratulating and

the majority of Sanders people being pissy to the Clinton supporters, once again. Totally fucking funny.

Ba Ha hahahah

[Betty Karlson]

7. That's because we haven't won anything yet.

I don't know about you, but I count my chickens after they have hatched.

[seabeyond]

8. I think a congratulations for a fine endorsement is positive. You diss Sanders endorsement and make

it irrelevant all you want Betty. What the fuck ever.... Lol.

[Tanuki]

44. You've won an endorsement from a leading progressive activist organization.

Can't you just savor that, instead of engaging in straw man attacks? So far, the tit-for-tat hostility to this endorsement from Clinton supporters exists only (or at least mainly) in your imagination and in the projections of your fellow Sanders supporters. As far as I'm concerned, it was a good endorsement, and consistent with the values of Move-On, to whom I have contributed over the years and will not throw under the bus.

[roguevalley]

59. when your side does the same we can call a truce. ok?

[Tanuki]

60. Whatever. I just came to the thread to congratulate your endorsement. Forgive me. n/t

[Betty Karlson]

15. Look at post # 11 and see how predictive my Third Way Betty response was...

randr wrote:

All for naught if these folks do not show up to vote--nt

[seabeyond]

29. Hey Betty, congrats to Sanders his endorsement.

[Ed Suspicious]

70. More work to be done. Enjoy after the primary.

[seabeyond]

72. I can not wait for the primaries to end. Regardless of the winner.

[Ed Suspicious]

73. I'm with you on that one. It's pretty aggravating all around here.

[seabeyond]

74. True that. I simply do not use Du much anymore. Hey... Ed.

[fleur-de-lisa]

10. Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT

On Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:32 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You guys cannot even enjoy your win, can you? I see Clinton people congratulating and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=997867

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Passive aggressive #$%^#$$ - no one has been 'pissy' to Clinton supporters. OTT thread derailing, yet again.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:35 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Please leave Seabeyond and other Hillary Clinton supporters alone.

Thank you in advance.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wow... this alert seems not only frivolous, but retaliatory--and targeted. Umm, NO and this comes from one who has nothing but respect for Sanders, so don't even dare suggest my vote to be anything but sincere disagreement with this alert.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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[seabeyond]

31. Wow, every post I make? Lol. Wow. And this one? Almost there. Almost gave me my fifth hide.

Thanks for the heads up. I guess it is time to stop posting on Du again.

[fleur-de-lisa]

43. A lot of silly alerts going on these days!

[Kelvin Mace]

37. This is annoying

and was 3-4!!!

Jeebus on a Segway.

[Nyan]

14. You must have hit them where it hurts

But you had me laughing

[seabeyond]

32. Right. Lol. Cause she has people alert stalking her all over the place. ;).

[Betty Karlson]

42. Never been alert-stalked to my knowledge.

I did notice the alert was actually for one of your posts. Are you being alert-stalked?

[SheilaT]

66. I can't help but wonder what "innihilated" means.

Perhaps whoever wrote it somehow thinks it means annihilated, but even that word isn't correct in the context.

[Betty Karlson]

67. Your right! Third Way Betty needs some work.

I'll do my best to twist and tweek her up to better standards. It's what she is entitled to.

[Ed Suspicious]

71. Don't you mean "intitled?"

[Divernan]

79. Happy to see the spirit of Third Way Manny lives on!

Good post, Betty! Be seeing you with all the cool kids over at JPR.

[still_one]

6. Great endorsement. Congratulations Bernie, and Sanders' supporters

[MissDeeds]

39. Thank you

Kind of you to say.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. 79% Bernie to 15% HRH? Pretty much the same margin he wins at in every other online poll I've seen!

Since MoveOn.org was a tightly controlled vote, maybe, just maybe, all those other online polls Bernie won at 80% aren't so "bogus" after all!

This is freakin' FANTASTIC! First DFA and now MoveOn.org!!!

79% to 15% OMG...That's hilarious!

The numbers couldn't have been more perfect. They match up perfectly to numbers on the street and online.

GO BERNIE!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[randr]

11. All for naught if these folks do not show up to vote--nt

[reddread]

13. hahaha

good one

[randr]

17. Not meant as a joke

We are governed by people who have won seats with 50% of less than a 50% turnout. This means that 25% of the population can take control, which I think is rather evident in Congress these days. It also means that if only a few percentages of concerned minorities, women, or young voters show up they would take control.

[reddread]

20. like thats a bad thing?

sorry I understand your meaning, but this is hardly a group of fair weather supporters.
one year from now things will be changing for good.

[randr]

27. I do believe so as well

[Le Taz Hot]

33. Not that this point hasn't been countered hundreds of times

right here on this board, but just in case you missed it:

There are tens of thousands of organizers, hundreds of thousands of volunteers and 2.75 million donations by over a million people. Do you REALLY thinks these people are going to stay home?

[randr]

38. They stayed home for the last election

[Betty Karlson]

46. That was the ringing success of DINO-Debbie's campaign slogan / attitude:

"who else are you going to vote for?"

That could be easily remedied by replacing DINO-Debbie and running a candidate who enthouses people to come out and vote...

[snoringvoter]

47. So whose fault is it? (Hint, DNC and DWS)

Architect of the 2014 election disaster is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz

[Le Taz Hot]

57. The last election wasn't a presidential election year

and there were no national-known, inspiring candidates running. Bernie's popularity has been breaking records (MoveOn, DFA), his numbers continue to go up and Hillary's continue to decline. To quote your icon, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

[cantbeserious]

16. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[randr]

18. The lesser of two evils never be a Republican

[cantbeserious]

23. Either - A Republican Corporate Candidate - Or - A Democratic Corporate Candidate

eom

[UglyGreed]

22. K/R

A lot of clicking going on

[Duval]

48. K&R!

[SoapBox]

51. Go Bernie Go!

[Faux pas]

53. Kickin'

[Uncle Joe]

55. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Fawke Em.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. The Tide...

It be turnin'.

Yup yup!

[CharlotteVale]

63. K&R

[WillyT]

64. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[tularetom]

69. Is everybody aware why MoveOn was formed in the first place?

In 1998 they started a movement to get Congress to "move on" past the impeachment of Bill Clinton. On the grounds that (1) his mistakes did not rise to the level of impeachment and (2) Congress had a lot better things to do than beat this sordid story to death.

So you could say it was a pro-Clinton organization right from the start.

[bvar22]

75. bvar22 endorses MoveOn with 100% of the vote...

...for waking up and endorsing Bernie.

I lost a lot of respect for MoveOn after Obama was elected. Under Bush, MoveOn was outspoken against the WARS. After the Obama Administration continued the WARS, MoveOn went silent about this and other Bush Policies that were continued under the Obama Administration.

I am glad to see them regain their soul. I may even start donating to them again.