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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:37 AM Jan 2013

He Doesn't Believe There's a"Rape Culture"

Let me address the “rape culture” phrase which seems to stick in Ice Cream Cone’s throat. I would invite him to imagine an alley in a high crime part of town where he doesn’t feel safe. Now imagine it is night and for whatever reason, he’s there. The fear or uneasiness he feels? This fear and uneasiness is woven into the unconscious and in many cases, the conscious substance of every woman in the world in the daytime, at night, in any part of town, and in her own home.

Now imagine—and I have to cross metaphors here because I think there’s a relation—someone grabs him from behind and rams an AK 47 up his rectum. How do you think that would feel, Ice Cream Cone? Now imagine that someone, probably from the gun lobby, came out and said that you shouldn’t have been where you were and you shouldn’t have been wearing such tight pants, otherwise this wouldn’t have happened. Now imagine a police station, a jury and a Congress full of women jeering at you because either you made this up or you asked for it. You know what men do with guns. You can’t take that away from them.

Let’s go further: Imagine as a small boy you were told to keep your penis taped down against your leg because no one should ever see a bulge there. You should always keep that part of your body covered. Or as a teen being told: don’t ever take your shirt off. I don’t care if it’s 90 degrees in the shade, if women see your nipples, they get ideas. You know what: WOMEN THINK ABOUT SEX ALL THE TIME, TOO because they are HUMAN BEINGS, just like men are. It’s just that many women see sex as something more complex than a penis in an orifice.

Let’s keep going: suppose bills were being introduced and passed all over the US that mandated you keep track of every erection and every single sperm that comes out of you. You know those sperm are alive? Those are potential human beings. You are responsible for every seed you spill upon the ground as well as every egg one of those guys fertilizes. Every time you have sex, you must submit to tests to determine how many eggs you have fertilized and how many human beings were lost as a result of the ones that aborted. We’ll need to have you into a female doctor’s office and then into the court of a female judge and jury to determine whether or not your sperm was the reason some of those eggs didn’t fertilize. Women will determine which of the women you had sex with you will have to support because of the embryos that ensued plus change diapers, do night-time feedings and take time off work when any child of yours that came to term is ill. Because this is going to impact your productivity, we will make up for that by paying you 25% less per hour than people not in your situation. In addition you must pay restitution for any aborted embryo because you are probably culpable. And by the way, insurance is not going to cover Viagra. We’re not paying for you to have sex.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/14/1178896/-He-Doesn-t-Believe-There-s-a-Rape-Culture

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He Doesn't Believe There's a"Rape Culture" (Original Post) seabeyond Jan 2013 OP
"Ice Cream Cone" ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #1
yes. i have seen the men educate themselves on this. i know and understand because i too, seabeyond Jan 2013 #2
'Playing a game' ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #3

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
1. "Ice Cream Cone"
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jan 2013

What an unfortunate user name.

I've read this type of questioning about rape culture on certain men's blogs lately. The kindest thing that can be said of them is that there are finally aware of the term, if not what it actually is and have responded as expected with denial and vitriol.

Fortunetly, the Internet also brings us male allies, who not only don't question the existence of rape culture (there are women who are known to be deniers as well) but actively participate to end it, starting with recognizing they privilege obtained from it even existing.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. yes. i have seen the men educate themselves on this. i know and understand because i too,
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jan 2013

was educated on this with many men on du. yes, us women need to understand this and get beyond the conditioning as men.

and many of the men that still adopt the manner of confusion, is in my book, playing a game. it is not that hard to understand.

i figure, one more article, expressed in another manner, maybe a couple more people will understand. works for me.

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