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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:31 AM Mar 2013

Comparing the crime of Rape to Car theft

All I could think of in response is that persons have alarms on their cars and locaters that contact police if your car has been stolen.

Got me to thinking.....

hmmmm... to prevent rape, maybe women could choose to wear new 21st century alam bell chastity belts to prevent rape.

If a womans privates were breeched by a rapist (who doesn't know the pass code) an electronic alarm could sound loudly and a message sent electronically to the cops. You could upgrade to the GPS locator for a few additional dollars a month for a premium subscription.

An added benefit to this new state of the art technolgy is consent could be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt because the woman would have a pass code to disarm it.

Why not?? harumph!!!

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Comparing the crime of Rape to Car theft (Original Post) boston bean Mar 2013 OP
lol Little Star Mar 2013 #1
Something mercuryblues Mar 2013 #2
nah, it's the radiator fluids BainsBane Mar 2013 #4
I didn't want to mention this in the other thread BainsBane Mar 2013 #3
I don't see the paralell at all. boston bean Mar 2013 #5
well, it's not a real parallel BainsBane Mar 2013 #6
I'm just not interested in comparing cars to women. boston bean Mar 2013 #7
of course the crimes aren't comparable in terms of severity BainsBane Mar 2013 #8
The point I raised was how ludicrous it was. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #9
True, I'm free associating too much BainsBane Mar 2013 #10
no worries. boston bean Mar 2013 #11
Why borrow the neighbor's car mercuryblues Mar 2013 #12
there ya go BainsBane Mar 2013 #15
On a serious mercuryblues Mar 2013 #13
"It seems as if they don't trust women." redqueen Mar 2013 #14
I chose my words carefully mercuryblues Mar 2013 #16
Oh yes, that is so sadly common. redqueen Mar 2013 #18
Comparing rape to car theft or rape to murder or rape to any other crime is bullshit. ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #17
"... education on the topic of rape isn't wanted. Just privilege maintained." redqueen Mar 2013 #19
It makes me wonder who's behind the keyboard ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #20
The same type who would bash Anita Sarkeesian for daring to talk about something they disagree with. redqueen Mar 2013 #21
That's one reason I like the video game blogs ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #22
"patriarchy and sexual entitlement has sickened society," redqueen Mar 2013 #23
Part of the 'liberal' idea that women's bodies are private property geek tragedy Mar 2013 #24
I've always seen it the opposite way. redqueen Mar 2013 #25
Hey, it's just biology. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #26
If we wore burqas gollygee Mar 2013 #27

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
4. nah, it's the radiator fluids
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:55 AM
Mar 2013

when forced they excrete a certain substance that keeps the car from being stolen. Didn't you learn ANYTHING in shop class?

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
3. I didn't want to mention this in the other thread
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:53 AM
Mar 2013

so as not to muddy the issue, but there are some rather bizarre parallels in my city of Minneapolis, where the cops don't care to do much other than harass people of color.

Evidently the police claim that if someone you know steals your car, they can't designate it as a theft for 30 days. The reason, claim the police, is that that person might have borrowed it. I had a conversation with a woman on the bus who had this very experience and couldn't get the police to look into the theft of her car for 30 days. (The equivalent of the date rape of a car?). At the time, I didn't have a car. I thought, okay so I can go around to my neighbors houses and lift their keys as long as I don't keep the car for more than thirty days?!

My aunt's car was also stolen following a break in where the burglars stole a TV, computer, and took her car keys and car. The police latter apprehended a woman running a red light in the car. She had a small child/ren with her. The police returned the car but insisted they couldn't prove it was stolen. The woman claimed her boyfriend had given/ lent it to her. I'm no detective mastermind, but I've watched enough cop shows to figure out that they only had to sweat the woman to get her to give up the boyfriend's name, particularly since she had small children. The fact is they couldn't be bothered.

I doubt these experiences are universal. Mpls has a particularly bad police force, always being investigated by the FBI for corruption. I can't even imagine how horrible it must be to file charges for rape here.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
6. well, it's not a real parallel
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:04 AM
Mar 2013

It's a strangeness of the police here. But if you happen to know the person who stole your car (or your rapist), it can't really be theft because they might have borrowed it (or you might have given consent).

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
7. I'm just not interested in comparing cars to women.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:06 AM
Mar 2013

or comparing how car thefts are reported or how to prevent car thefts or how police respond to those reports compared to rape of a human being.

They aren't equivalent nor comparable in my mind.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
8. of course the crimes aren't comparable in terms of severity
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:09 AM
Mar 2013

violence, or impact on the person's life. But you raised the issue and it came to my mind. That's all. There isn't a person alive would wouldn't choose to have their car stolen rather than be raped, even taking the treatment of police out of the equation.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
13. On a serious
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:23 AM
Mar 2013

note.

No the 2 are not comparable in terms of violence. I often find using anolgies of cars and sports when trying to explain something to males. Most times, it just seems to click better. I find it tiresome to have to explain things at the lowest brain power level, over and over again.

Most people have no problem understanding why black people don't like the use of certain words, phrases and jokes. Yet you have to explain to some of them why and how females don't like the use of certain phrases, words and jokes. Over and over again. It seems as if they don't trust women.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
14. "It seems as if they don't trust women."
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:50 AM
Mar 2013

This is it, exactly.

That's what's behind all the second guessing about abortion and birth control, all the overhyped bullshit about false rape reports, custody battles that end with kids being handed over to abusers, etc.

And that's just the big stuff. It's also why women will voice ideas and they will be mostly overlooked, until a man validates it and says the same thing. Then all of a sudden it's important and noteworthy.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
16. I chose my words carefully
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:31 PM
Mar 2013

Saying "it seems", instead of flat out saying they don't trust women. Lest, a male start replying "hey I trust women, why include me in that statement?" Instead of agreeing that there are people out there that do not trust woman, therefore they must be controlled. Men could just as easily give some insight and offer their opinions, yet they choose to butt heads. Instead of listening to what women have to say, they try to shout them down. I am only willing to go so far in talking in their terms and on their terms.

Maybe if women just ask nice enough. SMH.



*Here is my disclaimer: By the terms they and men I am not refering to all men. I mean some men.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
18. Oh yes, that is so sadly common.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:03 PM
Mar 2013

'Well I don't do that.'
'I don't know anyone who does that.'
'You're associating with the wrong people.'

As if they were ignorant of the fact that these are societal issues, and not about them, their friends or associates, or our friends or associates.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
17. Comparing rape to car theft or rape to murder or rape to any other crime is bullshit.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:33 PM
Mar 2013

I have a hard time with some of the usual suspects, because they are not logical and tend to form emotional opinions. They literally have nothing to say of importance, just stirring up shit. Pointless and boring. DU is at it's best when we learn from one one another.

Crap like comparing rape to car theft is not logical. Assuming women have unresolved 'issues' and that's why we Fight against rape is emotional. Of course there are many women who have been traumatized by rape, that's not even the point. The point is the implications that women experiencing rape trauma negates their arguments.

That's creeper talk, and I've seen it pop up now and again in a post.


What the mechanical vs body crime arguments do is ignore the history of rape. Not just the prevalence of rape but the history. How accepted rape is in classical literature, I'm not classically educated, but 'Leda and the Swan' is an in your face example, and rape is all over the place the classics.

The history of the status of women, from social to financial.

The religious influence on the status of women from 'the time of eve' which was literally true for most of Western civilization for much OF said history. Other cultures are similar, even The Buddha wasn't too impressed with the sexuality of women.

The history of marital rights of women. The history of prosecution. The under reporting because of shame. The hidden children from rape, or the placement of pregnant victims in 'girls homes'.

How easy it was to have women committed to mental institutions-- even for perceived 'promiscuity' or, perhaps a bit more modern (I have my doubts this is modern at all, from reading Victorian porn) so-called 'date rape' once laws against rape became clearer, the outcry stronger, rapists trying different ways to use women as orifice and get away with it, using still ingrained shame and guilt of victims. (I won't even go into the red herring arguments of false accusations, this is already long enough)

Rape as war weapon. Rape as a domestic and personal terrorist act, say in the case of sex workers or an abused significant other. (Maybe Rape should be prosecuted under the Patriot act, then that piece of shit legislation would have some use,

With a little research the whole concept would be easily refuted, and shown to be ridiculous. But as has been pointed out, education on the topic of rape isn't wanted. Just privilege maintained.

It's a complex, societal disease which is why your sarcastic solution touches the humor of the ironic.

It also is an irritating argument that shouldn't exist in any reasonable discussion of rape. It is, as Redqueen so often points out, a derailing tactic. Except I believe they really believe it, those who argue that way.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
19. "... education on the topic of rape isn't wanted. Just privilege maintained."
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:16 PM
Mar 2013

Precisely so.

Assuming women have unresolved 'issues' and that's why we Fight against rape is emotional. Of course there are many women who have been traumatized by rape, that's not even the point. The point is the implications that women experiencing rape trauma negates their arguments.


That's some of the most sickening shit I've seen posted on this board. And considering that that includes "the 'no means no' meme is bullshit", that's saying something.

It's a bald faced attempt to smear anyone you disagree with as mentally unhinged.

It's a smear that some will use in the attempt to smear women who fight the non-patriarchy-approved feminist issues and it should not be allowed on a progressive board.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
20. It makes me wonder who's behind the keyboard
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:20 PM
Mar 2013

And I mean that literally, I start thinking, who even THINKS like that, and the answer is pretty ugly

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
21. The same type who would bash Anita Sarkeesian for daring to talk about something they disagree with.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:27 PM
Mar 2013

The social approval of the objectification of women is one of the most a highly-valued aspects of privilege among many men.

Threaten that and you will get a lot of men and no small number of women extremely upset. Upset enough to say and do some very stupid if not outright horrible things.

This has been demonstrated over and over. It's very telling, really.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
22. That's one reason I like the video game blogs
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:44 PM
Mar 2013

It's not that I'm a video game person.

It's as more and more women get involved, realize they've been left out and left behind, that rampant sexism isn't just the norm, but the expected norm--when they speak up and speak out what is happening?

The exact SAME kinds of reactions. Name calling, degrading, threats of rape.

Same thing in the atheist/skeptic arena

In fact it's the same anywhere women are entering male dominated pursues and speaking out.

Compare this to nursing, one of the few ( only?) professions with 'power' that is completely female dominated. Men have some legitimate complaints, being used as 'muscle' or a few years back, objecting to a 'girls night out' flyer as exclusionary(took it to the union and won as a matter of fact) Men in nursing can express objections without violent toned push back. Without sexualization. We tend to welcome male nurses for balance. It's not perfect, but its so much healthier.

I don't believe that one gender is inherently 'more cooperative' than another, I believe patriarchy and sexual entitlement has sickened society, a serious cancer, to the point we even have to deal with this shit the year 2013.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
23. "patriarchy and sexual entitlement has sickened society,"
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

Yep. And in movies and tv, too. Geena Davis and Jennifer Siebel Newsom have done an amazing job of raising awareness.

And we need as many people as we can get, men and women, speaking out against it loudly and often, because there's no other way to fix it.

Fortunately we have many awesome people doing just that.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. Part of the 'liberal' idea that women's bodies are private property
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:33 AM
Mar 2013

and potential commodities for sale, as opposed to the social conservative view that they are public property held in trust by the state, church, husbands, and fathers.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
25. I've always seen it the opposite way.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:14 PM
Mar 2013

That conservatives see women's bodies as private property, belonging to her 'owner' (father or husband).

The truth I think is that anyone who isn't a strong feminist tends to view women's bodies as public property, liberal or conservative.

We get the 'you'd/she'd be a lot prettier if' thing. ... if you weren't so heavy. ... if you didn't have those tattoos. ...if you'd cover your grey. etc.

The fact that random men feel perfectly comfortable telling us what they think about our bodies.

The gobsmacking entitlement displayed by the idiotic, ego-massaging idea of a 'friend zone'.

That no matter who she is, a politician, an elite athlete, an actor or musician, every woman can count on being picked apart based on her physical appearance. The extra criticism like this that female celebrities get for the way they dress, dance, the way they style their hair, etc.

That stuff like creepshots and revenge porn are even a thing.

That stolen pictures of women and upskirt shots are celebrated and not roundly dismissed as horrible.

Women know we have no expectation of privacy and that many men (and women) think unless we go around in a burqa that we are to blame for such harassment and even assault.

Ugh.

Yeah, it's not just conservatives.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. Hey, it's just biology.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:15 PM
Mar 2013

And that includes lusting after minors.

So the enlightened men have told us.

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