Xtian metal singer hires hit man to kill wife, fans defend him using misogynist hate speech.

[redqueen]

Victim of Murder-for-Hire Plot a "b****," "c***," "s***," who "probably deserved it"

You can’t make this stuff up. And you wouldn’t want to.

Via Public Shaming, which I found via FreakOutNation: Tim Lambesis, the lead singer and co-founder of the Christian heavy metal band As I Lay Dying, was arrested Wednesday for allegedly trying to hire a hit man to murder his estranged wife. Many of his fans have been defending him… not by saying, “This is impossible, he’s a good person, he would never do something like this, it must be some sort of horrible mistake”… but by saying that the victim of the intended murder was a “bi***,” a “c***,” a “s***,” “crazy,” “annoying,” a “craz(y) hoe,” who “probably deserved it.”

Oh — and by saying, “God help all feminists from my wrath if I never hear another new As I Lay Dying album because of some s***.” Because opposition to murder for hire is totally an extremist feminazi plot.

(snipped: lots of examples misogynist bullshit on steroids)

And now, if you’ll all excuse me, I have to go take a shower. And cry. And throw up.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/05/09/victim-of-murder-for-hire-plot-a-bitch-cunt-slut-who-probably-deserved-it/

[Sekhmets Daughter]

1. They just keep getting crazier....

so much anti-feminism, anti women shit comes from these so-called christians... possibly the most despicable of life forms...they are so filled with hatred.

[redqueen]

3. IMO it's a mistake to try to box it in. People seem to want to point to Catholics,

or Muslims, or Baptists, etc... When really there are extremely hateful people of all faiths (or lack thereof), colors, and creeds.

There are many religious people who are aware of misogyny and fight it. The Amazing Atheist is one of the most vile sacks of woman-hating shit on the net.

It's not religion. It's not political ideology. Misogyny pervades society, because we live in a patriarchy. Until we address that root cause, we will keep fighting symptoms.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

4. Religion is the source of patriarchy and misogyny...ever read the Old Testament?

In this nation it is our christians who so readily and steadily seek to enforce it and resist all attempts to end it. The Amazing Atheist is the exception that serves to prove the rule... and may well have been influenced by readings in the OT.

[redqueen]

5. Agree to disagree. The I see it, misogyny in religion is a reflection of patriarchy in society.

Not all religions nor religious people are patriarchal and misogynist.

Countries which are mostly secular are still patriarchal and riddled with misogyny.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

9. I see your point,

however, some of the more recent primitive cultures do not experience misogyny.

Athena was the goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration, civilization, law and justice, just warfare, mathematics, strength, strategy, the arts, crafts, and skill. Minerva is the Roman goddess identified with Athena. So at some point woman were not viewed as inferior beings.

Of course we can agree to disagree... it is not critical to the issue that we do agree. I should say that I did not mean to imply that all cristians, or any other religionist, are misogynistic... but that patriarchy and misogyny are supported by religious teachings.

[whathehell]

21. I agree. Blaming everything on religion doesn't work.

Kind of like blaming "government" for a Hitler or a Stalin.

[redqueen]

29. Exactly. Well said. nt

[whathehell]

30. Thanks. n/t

[AlbertCat]

28. Not all religions nor religious people are patriarchal and misogynist.

Of the 5 major religions in the world.... which ones are not patriarchal and misogynist?


And religious people do love to ignore a lot of their own religion's.... er... problems. "Pick and choose" doctrine....

[seabeyond]

38. exactly. because what i have seen is every religion that has misogyny, has an out to misogyny.

it is what the group chooses to highlight and accept. in my view, it is accepting the raising one above the other that gives a failure to a persons religious interpretation. and that in itself is the clue for those looking to be connected in religion.

[seabeyond]

8. man issue. not party, not religion issue. man created religion. man created the

patriarchy in religion.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

10. I'm thinking more in terms of our modern society...

It's just an opinion...and it's one reason I left the church...

Here's my question... How do you go about ending patriarchy without overturning 5,000+ years of religious teachings? Who is going to rewrite the Bible, Talmud or Koran?

[seabeyond]

11. when i see as much of the hate coming from non church goers, and non religious men,

i see the issue as much bigger.

all these are merely supporting beams for the hatred men have for women and their sense of entitlement and privilege in dominance.

to focus on the narrow defines of religion or republican is putting a band aide on a gushers.

it is a man problem. and it is addressing it to men, and not group that will bring it into the groups and ripple out.

btw... i understand yours is just an opinion as mine is. we may not agree, but that is cool. and discussion is respectful which makes it even more cool. even in disagreement.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

13. Few completely escape the things they were taught as children....

I do not wish to focus on a narrow define... If anything I tend to focus too broadly.

I just want to know as I asked, how you eliminate patriarchy without eliminating the religious teachings that today foster it?

I respect your opinions, as you should know. I would hope we can always have a respectful discussion.

[seabeyond]

15. this is what i am saying. how i am answering that question. until men as a whole recognize,

it will not, cannot be address in the religion. that is going backward.

we must know that it is a matter of dominance, that is not innate or biological, but taught in order to reverse that perspective.

and until we reverse that perspective, there will be no one in religion or church that will be able to hear it and it will continue to manifest.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

16. Okay... I now understand your position...

I'm not sure I think it will ever produce the results we want, but I do understand. Women have been struggling against the bonds of patriarchy for centuries, with little to no effect. I keep looking for the reason behind that failure...and wondering if we will ever break the down those well established patterns.

[seabeyond]

20. we have to teach our children, that is the only way. unfortunately the break up and disfunction

of family now a days, and the selfishness and self gratification of adults are not helping in that. there is not the stability for it to be taught.

i did see progressive movement forward in the 80's and part of the 90's. but for all we went forward, there is a heavy duty backlash that started in the late 90's to today.

i think the pendulum has swung all the way over on this, and will start toward center (progression forward) again.

all in the action reaction theory.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

22. Yes!

teaching our children... My daughters and son were raised in a totally different environment from my own. Yet one of my biggest struggles was with the mothers who allowed children to watch soap operas with all their absurd female characterizations.

Between June of 1979 and Oct. 1982 I had three babies...that decade went by in a bit of a blur! I can't say I saw much progress, but that doesn't mean it wasn't made!

If we continue in the action/reaction mode there will never be any real progress... the force of the reaction is always equal to the force of the action... Newton's Third Law...

[seabeyond]

23. while you were having babies, i was single and playing thru out my 20's and into my 30's. lol

so yes, we were in a whole different world. i started having babies at an older age.

[sigmasix]

12. neoChristian hate

Evil-doers often disguise themselves as lambs. NeoChristian hate groups have existed for a long time- in fact Jesus warned us about those that would claim to be His followers in order to obscure their evil intentions.

Violent misogyny seems to accompany the fundamentalists of almost all religions. These types of appeals to hatred and fear of women are suspiciously absent from faithful expressions of the true teachings of love for all of our neighbors, revolutionized by the teachings and life of Jesus.
The moral dissonance created in any attempt to reconcile these expressions of hatred with the true teachings of Christ is sufficient cause to resist the notion that Jesus would agree with the actions and words of these cretins.

We are fortunate to live in a secular country that includes a justice system that excludes notions of biblical retribution as excusable grounds for attempting to murder your wife. I hope this guy spends a long, long time in secualr prison to pay his secular dues. Perhaps he will use that time as an opportunity to learn and mature so that he can accept full responsibility for his actions and make amends. If not... well, I understand that, according to Jesus, there is a special afterlife result waiting for those that would hurt children and the faithful by using His image or teachings.

The band sucked anyway...

[Sekhmets Daughter]

19. The proverbial devil in sheeps clothing!

Sadly, I think if he, indeed, goes to prison he and his supporters will find a way to blame his estranged wife...
which takes us full circle.

[zerosumgame0005]

32. much the same way

the real scum of our society, the most hate filled and violent ones become cops...

[kardonb]

24. crazier

Karl Marx : Religions are the curse of humanity !

[Sekhmets Daughter]

25. And responsible for most of life's evils. imho

[ZombieHorde]

2. In my opinion, a person has to use a very creative interpration of

the teachings of Jesus Christ to justify hiring a hit man to kill your spouse.

Perhaps I missed the "Blessed are the hit men, for they will kill your spouse for cash" portion of the Sermon on the Mount.

[ismnotwasm]

6. Oh....shit

You made me laugh.


I feel for the victim, however.

[seabeyond]

7. no concern. he and all the others are just AFRAID of women, and that is where all the hate is comin

from.

we do not want to "change" this hatred. i guess we are suppose to "embrace" the hatred, cause after all, it is only fear.

[redqueen]

17. Yeah.

It is frustrating having to deal with those who persist in obsessing about themselves, and their hurt feelings... they work so hard to make everything about themselves. If they'd stop whining and think, they'd realize it isn't about changing men, its about changing society. Some of those tweets are from women, aren't they? But still with the cries of how unfair and tragic and sad that anyone should want to change men.

[seabeyond]

37. i am really gonna have to make an OP to have this explained to me. cause regardless of thinking

thinking thinking about it, i do not see how anyone can get to where the conversation went.

[DetlefK]

14. If either of those ever gets arrested for violence against a woman...

I guess, sympathizing with the attempted murder of woman won't bring them bonus-points in court.

[asjr]

18. I think they are all cracked nuts!

[Inkfreak]

26. Great band. Disgusting person. And those fans suck too. n/t

[AlbertCat]

27. Misogyny or Christian heavy metal ....

I'm not sure which is more offensive and stupid.



Well, anyway... I do know that murder trumps them both.

[TNNurse]

31. to again quote John Prine

"Jesus don't like killing, no matter what the reason for"...."and your flag decal won't get you into Heaven anymore"

[seabeyond]

35. +1. and...

welcome

[dead_head]

33. Can't blame everyone.

Hi!

As a metal head/rock'n'roll fan/not religious/not militant atheist/normal dude, I'm a little confused.

You see, if a metalhead kills himself or kills someone, I see some group of people (that usually have a beleif system to promote )pointing the finger to ALL metalheads or ALL of rock'n roll. So It's my duty to defend metal and all by fellow metal heads that haven't killed anyone.

When that murderer turns out to be religious, I see atheist groups grab the oportunity to blame religion. And I hate defending religion but it's not all religious people that are killers.

Maybe I'm dumb but I'm seeing some kind of pattern.

Why can't we just say what that guy did is wrong and not always tie it up with ou own beliefs?







www.deadheadcomicks.com
so underground it's rotting.

[seabeyond]

36. agreed. and another welcome to du. i live in a fundamentalist environment and

i am non religious from calif, lol.

i know how the religious extreme works and i can still see the purity in it. it is not the religion, but the people practicing it.

you will see a pattern of hypocrisy on du, lol. for sure.

[OnionPatch]

39. Totally agree.

I also would not blame all religion for this. But what I mainly notice in this particular case is the mind-blowing hypocrisy. A "Christian" plotting to KILL his wife?!

What I get from this is simply more evidence that "religious" people are no more moral than anyone else.

[msongs]

34. the bible is a misogynist training manual nt