Do you feel like getting angry today?

[gollygee]

Underage girl gets abducted, gang raped over 2 days, and blamed for it.

http://www.wwmt.com//news/features/featured/stories/family-files-suit-against-grpd-hope-academy-rape-case-1509.shtml

[Arcanetrance]

1. That's so far beyond disgusting

The one detail not in this story did they find the guys who did it. Being the first of the question

[gollygee]

2. It doesn't sound to me like they even looked

They decided she was a "bad girl runaway" and left it at that.

[Arcanetrance]

3. She was Fucking raped multiple times even if she was a runaway that's secondary to the fucking rape

This pisses me off beyond belief would you mind if I posted this over in GD

[gollygee]

4. Well she's probably discriminated against for quite a few reasons

This school has a very high minority population, so she's probably discriminated against because of that, plus she's bipolar and there's quite a bit of discimination against the mentally ill as well.

And then she's female so she must have consented to two days of being dragged from place to place and being forced to have sex with groups of people and various objects. Maybe she read Fifty Shades and is into that, right? (/sarcasm)

Yes, this makes me crazy angry too.

[gollygee]

6. Go ahead and post it there

I wonder if people will say the girl got suspended from school so she must have wanted it.

[Arcanetrance]

7. I honestly think that would be what would force me out of this place

I've seen way to much accepted sexism

[ismnotwasm]

14. They will argue 'age of consent'

Among other things. And tell anecdotal "when I was 14" stories. They will be a number of awesome people who find this story an example of what wrong and sexist in society. They will be shouted down, or over-whelmed rather, by the very vocal rape apologists who deny they are any such thing.


Of course, rape is passé over at GD lately, so it may just sink like a stone

[niyad]

5. angry does not even begin to cover it. that poor child. I hope the family ends up owning the

school, the superintendent and the pd. what a bunch of ignorant, woman-hating assholes.

[handmade34]

8. this is only

one of many things that make me angry...

[LiberalLoner]

9. What I think I am seeing overall this past decade or two is

Increasingly tolerated violence and rage against all females.

People are angry about the economy, how powerless they are, how unequal the country is.

Where to safely direct that rage? At women and girls. Lots of powers that be are pushing our people that way.

Most men watch porn. Quite a few spend hours each week watching. Porn is getting increasingly violent towards women. We all know that, although many here on DU deny that for their own reasons.

Men are being taught to see women as objects to be used and despised.

We have no allies on our side. There have been so many threads on DU that have literally sickened me.

You know where it goes from here, don't you? Look at the Congo and other troubled areas of Africa. There is our future. I pray we will all be safe but the odds are against us.

Read on Wikipedia about MS. Apparently only 40% of us make it to 60. I honestly hope I will be in the majority because I've already been through enough rape and violence and humiliation.

Stay safe, sisters.

[Arcanetrance]

12. There's a few of us that call out those threads but sadly I must agree with you there are too many

that are okay with whats said in those threads. I'm not sure about the hours spent watching porn personally as a guy I'm not a fan of it most of it that I have seen does come off as violent. So I could see it having an affect on the thinking of young males who watch it. I do agree how society presents women as objects instead of people which teaches alot of men to disrespect them and treat them as objects and not humans.

[ismnotwasm]

15. To some, its like a game

They jump in just to derail. There are a few genuine misogynists, and those guys are scary, because they blend in well. The old-fashioned sexists (hilariously unknowing) often state they are, as in RedQueen's epic "Benign Sexism" thread. They thought the topic was about who opens doors--which completely missed the point, and turned a great chance for discussion about sexism into a pissing match.

I think a lot of men (and women) mean well, but miss the larger, long-term implications of sexism. Or use generally debunked evolutionary psychology examples to Showcase sexism as 'natural'---just something that needs to be outgrown.

It's a day to day thing with them rather than a wholesale sign of societal rot. I could make a case for sexism being the root of a lot of today's current problems, but generally that would not be well received outside of protected groups.

[Arcanetrance]

16. I find evolutionary psychology to be bullshit its an excuse from assholes to excuse themselves

I remember the benign sexism threads it turned into people claiming things that were never said.Than everyone decided to make jokes out of it. Those of us that were guys that decided to call bullshit on those people as being lapdogs to a few posters and trying to ingratiate ourselves to a small minority. That part I remember well because I was still a very new member at that time.

[ismnotwasm]

17. Yes that was a mess

And it's really too bad, because its possible to have reasonable discussion-- even argument-- about sexism. I can listen others viewpoints, but I dislike what amounts to snark exchanges with smilies. A little of that is ok, and can break tension.

What bothers me more than anything is the apparent absolute denial of what a serious problem sexism is. Looking at an example of rape culture; I was reading a post trying to belittle the rapes in Egypt by posting comparative numbers (numbers that were not, in any way correct) X amount of rapes among Y numbers of people. The poster disingenuously than stated 'Yes, of course that's too many rapes'--again missing the point that rapes occur at all. Toss THAT out there, and you get straw men like murder statistics-- and so on and so on and so on.

[Arcanetrance]

18. Rape and murder are two different crimes and comparing the two is pointless

With murder you have obviously larger numbers because if for no other reason police and other law enforcement agencies take murder to be a serious crime while holding a degree of skepticism when it comes to rape. So many rapes go unreported and than of the ones that are fewer go to trials. Furthermore the rapes in Egypt were especially egregious because there was an extra layer I guess is what I would say to it. While yes rape is about control those particular rapes were about trying to put the women "back in their place" for lack of a term that I can think of right now

[LiberalLoner]

24. Thank you for trying to fight against the dominant society.

[Arcanetrance]

25. Your welcome but there nothing to thank me for its really doing what I think is right

As a guy I know I was born with more opportunity than woman get. I was born with the ability to make more money, not have to worry about sexism, not have to worry about being raped and killed because I said no to unwanted sexual advances, There's no special program at my job making sure the males leave in pairs as a way to prevent rape.

[Arcanetrance]

10. I posted this over in GD and it sunk into nothingness

[gollygee]

11. I kicked it

Some people don't open threads with subject lines that don't show what the post is about though.

[Arcanetrance]

13. Good point I changed the title

[ismnotwasm]

19. Somebody posted something else about "being sick of sexism"

Linked to what have also been a couple of posts from here-- and got the usual response.

[Arcanetrance]

20. Do you have the link to that thread

[ismnotwasm]

21. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023207631

[Arcanetrance]

22. Thank you I probably should have looked over there first before asking

[BainsBane]

23. There could not be a better illustration of rape culture

than this case. Thoroughly repulsive.

[historylovr]

26. Oh my god, that poor girl and her family.

Crap like this makes me furious. More proof that for too many men females are nothing.