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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:09 PM Aug 2013

When Worlds Collide: Fandom and Male Privilege by Lucy Gillam

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Male privilege may be more obvious in other cultures, but in so-called Western culture it's still ubiquitous. In fact, it's so ubiquitous that it's invisible. It is so pervasive as to be normalized, and so normalized as to be visible only in its absence. The vast, vast, vast majority of institutions, spaces, and subcultures privilege male interests, but because male is the default in this culture, such interests are very often considered ungendered. As a result, we only really notice when something privileges female interests.

This results in, well, lots of things, but two that I want to talk about here. The first is that true gender equality is actually perceived as inequality. A group that is made up of 50% women is perceived as being mostly women. A situation that is perfectly equal between men and women is perceived as being biased in favor of women.

And if you don't believe me, you've never been a married woman who kept her family name. I have had students hold that up as proof of my "sexism." My own brother told me that he could never marry a woman who kept her name because "everyone would know who ruled that relationship." Perfect equality - my husband keeps his name and I keep mine –is held as a statement of superiority on my part.

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The second result of the invisibility of male privilege is that a lack of male privilege is taken as active oppression, as male-bashing or bias towards women. It is not enough that the mere presence of something which actively aims at women and women's interests is taken as oppressing men; simply not catering to men's interests is perceived as oppression. And I mean, by the way, honestly perceived that way.

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When Worlds Collide: Fandom and Male Privilege by Lucy Gillam (Original Post) redqueen Aug 2013 OP
I do believe Simone de Beauvoir made this observation a while ago... malthaussen Aug 2013 #1
This: ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #2

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
1. I do believe Simone de Beauvoir made this observation a while ago...
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:25 PM
Aug 2013

"There are two kinds of people in the world: women and human beings. When a woman acts like a human being, she is accused of trying to be a man."

I paraphrase, but you get the idea.

-- Mal

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
2. This:
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:20 PM
Aug 2013
It is not enough, you see, not to exclude men. We have to actively get them involved. I'm not sure what's more insidious, there: the notion that we must find it not only desirable that men get involved in fandom but also some kind of imperative, or the notion that it is our, women's, responsibility to get them involved in fandom. That we are the ones who must act, in other words. That even though we carved these spaces out for ourselves (didn't nobody create those lists and cons and archives and communities for us, darlin'), we must take the further step to get men involved in them. And if you are going to argue that these couple of guys are in no way representative of male privilege at work in fandom, you might want to talk to the vidders who've been told that vidding can't be an "art" because no men are involved. Instead, it can only be a "hobby."
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