The “Don’t Be That Girl” Poster Controversy in Edmonton & A Voice for Men’s History of Rape Apologia

[redqueen]

Some more insight about men who can't seem to stop trying to pretend that false rape accusations are a big deal.

I‘ve been traveling, so I’m a bit late getting to the whole “Don’t Be That Girl” poster controversy in Edmonton. For those of you who don’t already know all about it: A group called Men’s Rights Edmonton, closely associated with our favorite Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men, has been putting up some pretty obnoxious posters parodying an anti-rape poster campaign called “Don’t Be That Guy,” turning the anti-date rape message into one that targets alleged false accusers of rape.

Salon’s Mary Elizabeth Williams has a pretty good dissection of the whole thing here. As she notes, one of the biggest problems with the “Don’t Be That Girl” posters is

"the idiotic defensive assumption that [the original "Don't Be That Guy"] campaign expressly created to educate men and women about consent merits a hateful, finger-pointing response. And it makes the classic presumption that getting drunk, hooking up and then crying rape is a standard chick operating procedure — an idea that is based, by the way, on no solid statistical evidence."

That’s as good as far as it goes, but I would go a bit further:

I don’t think that MRAs are really concerned about false accusations. If they were, they would be working with groups like the Innocence Project that actually help men (and women) who have been wrongly convicted for crimes they didn’t commit.

No, it seems to me that what they’re really worried about is true accusations.

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http://manboobz.com/2013/07/12/the-dont-be-that-girl-poster-controversy-in-edmonton-and-a-voice-for-mens-history-of-rape-apologia/

[Squinch]

1. Those MRA guys are sick. I'm sorry, they just are.

[alittlelark]

2. We should all just turn our backs.

These groups are on the fringe. Most men know a woman who has been raped. The few that do not...... ????


The reality is deafening.

[redqueen]

3. I disagree. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as they say.

Shaming people like this, like the WBC, etc., sends a message.

These MRAs and FeMRAs may be the fringe, but these "she asked for it', 'its not that bad', 'don't ruin his life' mentalities are extremely common. It's only the last few years that any significant pushback has started. Going back to ignoring these misogynist ideas is absolutely the wrong thing to do imo.

[alittlelark]

4. Those that associate w/ those vermin care not about sunlight...

....they exist in the dank moldy recesses of our collective consciousness. Give them no power. Expose their filth on the periphery.

[redqueen]

5. You do that.

I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

[alittlelark]

7. I do understand where you are coming from....

Dealing w/ these parasites for 30 years has shown me how much they hate individual shaming and bask in the glory of mass-shaming. I prefer 1 on 1.... cuz they can't take it.

[redqueen]

8. Too many of the ones I've come across revel in the personal attention.

Mainly I think that the views of scum like this need to be discussed so that when 'nice guys' and 'progressives' spew these same bullshit misogynist talking points, they will be more easily recognized and not protected.

[seabeyond]

6. they say 45-75% false claim. they do it solely to dismiss the rape issue.

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they do not want to as a gender, have to own that. so if female false claims at 45-75% then really, those girls are just as bad as those boys. a wash.

that is their intent.

btw, to be clear. flase claims are 2-3%. same as any other crime. probably lower cause a girl/woman is put through hell reporting rape. daring to want to prosecute. not something that many would do by choice.

[redqueen]

9. Or it could be a way to stay in denial. Perhaps someone confronted them about a rape.

Sometimes women will confront their 'nice guy who I thought I knew and could trust' rapists after the fact, even if they won't report it.

Many guys will admit to having raped women, so long as you don't use the word 'rape' to describe what they did. If they can convince themselves that great numbers of women who say they were raped really weren't, it makes ignoring these women and staying in denial about their crime that much easier.

[seabeyond]

10. we have a poster post a study from 3 decades ago, small group of YOUNG women saying no means yes

and then "innocently" suggesting that really, women want to be forced. it is clear that they are aware what rape is and trying to normalize rape as hard and fast as our media and society has done, is doing and will continue to do until those of us that are strong enough to speak out are able to drown their voice.

yes, i can see the appeasement of their own guilt to rape. but no, i do not think that it is done in denial but in clear intent.

[ismnotwasm]

11. Yes

And that gets into the whole 'rape fantasy' bullshit--- like that equates into a desire to be raped. Ick.

[redqueen]

12. "i do not think that it is done in denial but in clear intent."

Yeah, you're probably right.