A Voice For Men: willing to publish libel to “prove” points about fake rape claims (part 2)

[ismnotwasm]

This is long; and an interesting story once you parse it out.

This one’s gonna be REALLY long. Sorry folks. May want to skip this one altogether, in fact. It’s just me mud-wrestling with someone who doesn’t deserve the attention, because I have a stake in this particular fight.
Previously, I showed how AVfM, Paul Elam and Birric Forcella must absolutely know that men getting thrown in jail or otherwise having their lives ruined is a mathematically miniscule problem compared to the problem of unpunished rape, using some basic math intentionally skewed to advantage the claims of MRAs. Even with all of the tilts in their favour, I calculated that 10% of innocent men would end up in jail, while less than 5% of actual rapes would result in rapists seeing even a day of jailtime. While those numbers are appalling, the problem of 95% of rapes going unpunished is slightly larger than (the artificially inflated) 10% of innocent men going to jail.
That essentially proves AVfM are fighting the wrong demon, and they must know it. This sort of math is inescapable.

But what’s more is, they’re doing it because they think that feminists are fighting for 100% of rape claims to result in convictions. I know of absolutely no feminist who’s ever said that a person should be damned based on a mere accusation, not even the most radical of feminists, whom I’m sure recognize that such a structure could result in them being thrown in jail by a spiteful accuser out for revenge against them. I’d personally rather have less of ANY sort of crime, either false rape claims or rapes. I’d rather justice be served as close to perfectly as humanly possible, in absence of a sky-daddy to do all the omniscient judging for you.

But you simply can’t fight false rape claims by loosening the system such that it’s impossible for ANY rapes to see justice. Nor, vice-versa — you can’t tighten them to the point where false rape claims land innocent men in jail. The problem here is, there’s precious little evidence that innocent men ARE landing in jail, and there’s plenty of evidence that real rapists are walking all the damn time.
In fact, this idea that feminists are demanding that anonymous claims be believed without any corroborating evidence is the lynchpin of their entire argument — and the event that has gotten them so keen to throw me, a man who experienced a fake rape claim, under the bus is of course exactly the event you’d expect. And I’m the target for exactly the reason you’d expect.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2013/09/01/a-voice-for-men-willing-to-publish-libel-to-prove-points-about-fake-rape-claims-part-2-logic-and-language/

[seabeyond]

1. i do not know what to make of so much of this.

i read. but not knowing the back story. anyway, thanks for the post so i have a better understanding of the MRA groups motive.

why is it so important to stay intuned with what MRA are doing? throwing out bogus false rape allegation numbers feeds in the mainstream of the net. people that are not educated in this issue pick up these numbers and they become truth. not to mention a lot of other things MRA feeds like, .... no elementary men teachers cause they are afraid they will be accused of sexual assault of the children. simply bogus. their real intent is to DEMAND that men teachers be paid more than women teachers to get men teachers into a mostly womans field. actually validating paying men more than women as an incentive. for real. mind blowing.

[BainsBane]

2. Focusing on the few cases of false allegations

is a form of rape apology. It happens far closer to home as well.