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ismnotwasm

(42,022 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:29 AM Nov 2013

Young Girls Say That Sexism Is Part Of Their Daily Lives

Girlguiding UK has revealed that sexism affects “most aspects” of the every day lives of young women.
The organisation’s “Equality For Girls” report surveyed more than 1,200 girls and young women aged 7 to 21, and have called their findings “a wake-up call” and “a disturbing insight into the state of equality for girls in the UK.”
The survey revealed that 87% of the 11 to 21-year-olds surveyed said they thought women were judged based on their appearance, and not their abilities.
And 60% of the 16 to 21-year-olds said they’ve felt “patronised or made to feel stupid” because they’re female.


Disturbingly, most of the 13-year-olds questioned said they had experienced sexual harassment.



Of the entire 13 to 21 age bracket, 28% had experienced unwanted touching and sexual attention, with 26% experiencing unwanted attention and stalking. A further 51% revealed they’d been objected to sexual jokes and taunts, and more than three-quarters said they found this behaviour threatening if they were by themselves.



Young girls are also already worrying about how sexism with affect the career path:

Girls believe that motherhood still disadvantages women in the workplace, and almost half of those aged 11 to 21 worry that having children will negatively affect their career (46%). A similar number think that employers at least to some extent prefer to employ men over women (43%). Half worry about the pay gap between men and women (50%), rising to 60% among 16- to 21-year-olds.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/catesevilla/young-girls-say-that-sexism-is-a-part-of-their-daily-lives
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Young Girls Say That Sexism Is Part Of Their Daily Lives (Original Post) ismnotwasm Nov 2013 OP
Here in the US chervilant Nov 2013 #1
I see the UK source, but I don't see the US source. Please link it. ancianita Nov 2013 #2
Please do your own research. chervilant Nov 2013 #3
You miss the point. If I presented a phrase like "research shows...", I'd link it. That's just a ancianita Nov 2013 #10
we have done it so many times, only to be ignored. and then, asked again... seabeyond Nov 2013 #14
Oh. Sorry. I never think of links as derailing, but okay, if that's the practice here... ancianita Nov 2013 #15
ya. kinda like totally dismissing all i said, throw this jab out and still IGNORE the seabeyond Nov 2013 #16
No, I do very much appreciate yours. I was mostly responding to chervilant, initially, to do my own ancianita Nov 2013 #17
Okay, chervilant Nov 2013 #19
I wouldn't dream of asking you to dig for that, if I'd known. ancianita Nov 2013 #27
P.S. chervilant Nov 2013 #20
Of course. I wouldn't post here just to argue with other women. ancianita Nov 2013 #25
i ound a really good on on highschool and middle school kids. it will knock you on your butt. seabeyond Nov 2013 #6
here it is... seabeyond Nov 2013 #7
? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #9
Before my daughter went off to college... Chalco Nov 2013 #4
both nieces did the same. both nieces now 20 and 24 are hard ass radical fems. sons on the seabeyond Nov 2013 #5
i see a lot of the predators in street harassment go after our 12 yr old. there abouts. the girls seabeyond Nov 2013 #8
btw... this really sticks with me. the women that are so supportive of the men attacking feminists seabeyond Nov 2013 #11
The eager female cohorts are pathetic. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #12
they give up a lot to get them. seabeyond Nov 2013 #13
Again, they get to have it every which way xulamaude Nov 2013 #21
as a stay at home for almost two decades and happy with my choice, and would make the same, ... seabeyond Nov 2013 #22
Absolutely you made (and were able to make) xulamaude Nov 2013 #26
i love the way you reply. i want to clarify or stress though. what the feminist say about being seabeyond Nov 2013 #28
Compartmentalization... xulamaude Nov 2013 #31
There is a famous statement which... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #18
+1 ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #23
thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #37
love it, thanks. seabeyond Nov 2013 #24
you're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #36
it fit... i think it looks perfect, just as it is. my sig. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #38
Well done discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #39
That's really good. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #32
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #35
"Don't treat me like a SICK CHILD" HockeyMom Nov 2013 #29
what a conversation you two must have been having. seabeyond Nov 2013 #30
Why do males do this? HockeyMom Nov 2013 #33
because, they have been raised all their lives womens submissive roles, they the care taker, seabeyond Nov 2013 #34
that was a good but startling read. thanks for the link. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #40

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
1. Here in the US
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 08:03 AM
Nov 2013

research shows four of five girls under age 18 agree that a boyfriend 'has the right to slap them if they've done something wrong.'

Also, soft porn -- aka, romance novels, typically featuring a 'diamond in the rough' guy who just needs the gentle touch of his true love to shine -- remains the most popular genre among women.

ancianita

(36,190 posts)
2. I see the UK source, but I don't see the US source. Please link it.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 08:33 AM
Nov 2013

Any substantive change in girls' attitudes requires close monitoring of the measurers and the media that convey them. Otherwise, talk about it isn't really worth much but scaremongering, which, along with so much else, women put up with enough already.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
3. Please do your own research.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 10:28 AM
Nov 2013

But, if you'd like a list of suggested reading, I'll be happy to assist.

ancianita

(36,190 posts)
10. You miss the point. If I presented a phrase like "research shows...", I'd link it. That's just a
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:10 PM
Nov 2013

basic standard of claims. Of course, I can do my own research. But since you're the one to claim it, the burden of backing it up is on you. That makes you credible and me more willing to repeat your claim and numbers.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. we have done it so many times, only to be ignored. and then, asked again...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:07 PM
Nov 2013

at a certain point we realize it is a derailing technique. and why waste our time. but, i did waste my time. yet.... it is ignored. go figure.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. ya. kinda like totally dismissing all i said, throw this jab out and still IGNORE the
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:26 PM
Nov 2013

links provided for you

perfect example.

now, ... go away

ancianita

(36,190 posts)
17. No, I do very much appreciate yours. I was mostly responding to chervilant, initially, to do my own
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:37 PM
Nov 2013

research, is all.

Go away? Okay, then.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
19. Okay,
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:56 PM
Nov 2013

but I've done advocacy for survivors of relationship violence for over 35 years. The statistic I shared is from a peer-reviewed, journal article I used for my thesis, and it is packed in a box with hundreds of other journal articles. I regret that I am not inclined to dig it out for you.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
20. P.S.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:01 PM
Nov 2013

I hope that you are interested in this research because you plan to help promote equality and fight the systemic oppression that is patriarchy...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. i ound a really good on on highschool and middle school kids. it will knock you on your butt.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:40 AM
Nov 2013

but the last time i went looking for it, it disappeared from the nets. i do not know how that works, but i find that consistent. let me see if i can find it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. here it is...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:45 AM
Nov 2013

Only Psychos Think Rape is OK...Right?

Societal Attitudes Supporting Rape

- A survey of 6,159 college students enrolled at 32 institutions in the U.S. found the following: (ref 4)

· 54% of the women surveyed had been the victims of some form of sexual abuse; more than one in four college-aged women had been the victim of rape or attempted rape;

· 57% of the assaults occurred on dates;

· 73% of the assailants and 55% of the victims had used alcohol or other drugs prior to the assault;

· 25% of the men surveyed admitted some degree of sexually aggressive behavior;

· 42% of the victims told no one.

- In a survey of high school students, 56% of the girls and 76% of the boys believed forced sex was acceptable under some circumstances. (ref 5)

- A survey of 11-to-14 year-olds found ref 5)

· 51% of the boys and 41% of the girls said forced sex was acceptable if the boy, "spent a lot of money" on the girl;

· 31% of the boys and 32% of the girls said it was acceptable for a man to rape a woman with past sexual experience;

· 87% of boys and 79% of girls said sexual assault was acceptable if the man and the woman were married;

· 65% of the boys and 47% of the girls said it was acceptable for a boy to rape a girl if they had been dating for more than six months.


- In a survey of male college students:

· 35% anonymously admitted that, under certain circumstances, they would commit rape if they believed they could get away with it (ref 6,7).

· One in 12 admitted to committing acts that met the legal definitions of rape, and 84% of men who committed rape did not label it as rape.(ref 6,7)

- In another survey of college males: (ref 8)

· 43% of college-aged men admitted to using coercive behavior to have sex, including ignoring a woman's protest, using physical aggression, and forcing intercourse.

· 15% acknowledged they had committed acquaintance rape; 11% acknowledged using physical restraints to force a woman to have sex.

- Women with a history of rape or attempted rape during adolescence were almost twice as likely to experience a sexual assault during college, and were three times as likely to be victimized by a husband. (ref 9)

- Sexual assault is reported by 33% to 46% of women who are being physically assaulted by their husbands.(ref 10)

http://www.uic.edu/depts/owa/sa_rape_support.html

Chalco

(1,311 posts)
4. Before my daughter went off to college...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 10:59 AM
Nov 2013

she told me that the days of women's lib were over, that everything had been resolved and men and women
were equal and that I needed to stop talking about the disparity.

Then, she goes to college and during the first semester she and others in her major are given a tour of the various companies in the city that is the number 2 spot for people in her major to be employed. After the tour, she called me...devastated.

She said "Mom, you were right. You were right."

"About what?" I asked.

"About the need to keep fighting for women."

"Why?" I asked.

"On the tour, I saw that almost all of the bosses and employees were men, at least 95%. I am so depressed."

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. both nieces did the same. both nieces now 20 and 24 are hard ass radical fems. sons on the
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:14 AM
Nov 2013

other hand always acknowledge the sexism and misogyny.

your post was interesting. thanks for sharing your experience with your daughter

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. i see a lot of the predators in street harassment go after our 12 yr old. there abouts. the girls
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:57 AM
Nov 2013

just walking into their sexuality, vulnerable and inexperienced. the cowards know likely as the girl ages, she will turn the table on him and wont be nearly as fun in the intimidation and humiliation of the harassment

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. btw... this really sticks with me. the women that are so supportive of the men attacking feminists
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:23 PM
Nov 2013

here on du might actually consideration this study instead of dismissing so they can stand with da men. there really is much more to this than protecting their porn. like so fuckin much more.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
12. The eager female cohorts are pathetic.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:52 PM
Nov 2013

I know I shouldn't say that, as they are victims of the patriarchy as much as anyone else. But too bad, I still think they're pathetic. I hope they enjoy the little pats on the head they receive from the guys - they give up a lot to get them.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. they give up a lot to get them.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:00 PM
Nov 2013

that would be the point. thank you. i was reading a post talking about a woman who voted whatever her father and husband told her to. *gasp* the outrage, condemnation. i see this no different but the flip side.

i bet she would argue she too is a feminist choosing to do as she does for her reasons.

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
21. Again, they get to have it every which way
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:08 PM
Nov 2013

If a woman makes the 'choice' to be employed in porn or quit her paid work to focus on raising the children she has borne (but certainly not if she's a single mother who 'chose' to have them without being financially secure!) then that's just dandy but if she makes the 'choice' to do as her men expect her to do then that choice is completely invalid because 'her' men are right wingers. Or something.

Because feminism is all about a woman's choice now right? She has the equal rights now to choose what she wants to do right? But no - it's just a different set of men expecting her to 'choose' what they expect her to do.

And it's patently obvious for anyone who cares to see.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. as a stay at home for almost two decades and happy with my choice, and would make the same, ...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:16 PM
Nov 2013

i can acknowledge and know darn well that what i created in this home for all of us to live, in manys ways was anti feminism. i acknowledge and recognize. it is not painful. it was my choice. i recognized then and recognize now that the choice was counter to what i fight. in recognizing, i addressed things in raising the boys, things that one who does not recognize/acknowledge, that i hope will leave an imprint on the boys. and because of my choice will have to live with repercussions. i get that.

it doesnt make what feminism is saying to be wrong.

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
26. Absolutely you made (and were able to make)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:32 PM
Nov 2013

your choice

I wouldn't say that your choice to make your family home and raise your kids and invest in your partnership with your SO (and all the stresses that come along with that!) is counter to what you fight at all.

And just like you don't have to be a porn star or a president or a CEO or what have you to be a feminist it doesn't make the rest of us fighting for the rights of women to be free individuals any less feminist.



 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. i love the way you reply. i want to clarify or stress though. what the feminist say about being
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:42 PM
Nov 2013

stay at home, the issues that arise that can cause a stay at home problems, is very real. so, though i made these choices, what feminist say about stay at home is correct to. and taking that into account, just having the knowledge has allowed me to protect myself.

the point. choose porn. but, what feminist say about working in porn, and how it effects society can also be true.

i am not dissing me.

i am not dissing someone who works in porn.

talk about bringing emotion into the conversation. so often, as women, we are said to be "hysterical" or emotional. (ya, the guys still like to innocently use that). but, the way i see the issue is very compartmentalized and lack in the emotional element. and it is those i am discussing the issues with, that allow the emotion to get in the way. or even judgment.

judgment of a mere word. that they are so emotional over the issue, that the definition of a mere word, and judging the word as bad.

i find it so fuckin funny.

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
31. Compartmentalization...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 06:35 PM
Nov 2013

That word gets me to thinking that it's been a long, long time since I've heard it used and just the way you have: a separation of emotion from everything else.

Back in the day men used it (compartmentalization) as... the reason.... they could use pornography without thinking about their moms, sisters, wives or daughters. LOL

And again, they would have it every which way: that women are emotional and they're not, they really have empathy for women and women don't because they won't allow them to make their choices. Or something



discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,483 posts)
18. There is a famous statement which...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:14 PM
Nov 2013

...could be paraphrased so appropriately to fit those sentiments: "If ye love...the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

...and: "For in the end, freedom is a personal and lonely battle; and one faces down fears of today so that those of tomorrow might be engaged." - Alice Walker < http://jameslogancourier.org/?itemid=1503 >

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. love it, thanks.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:17 PM
Nov 2013

think it would fit on my sig line. lol. i like it even better having read it a second time

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,483 posts)
35. Thanks
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 10:51 PM
Nov 2013

The more I read of what others have said, the more I believe that someone has said something much more eloquently than I could ever hope to. I am occasionally pleased when I notice a situation and remember a fitting quote.

Sam Adams and Alice Walker... that would be a great pair with which to have lunch.

BTW, love your sig.

There's two other quotes I like: "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." and "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
29. "Don't treat me like a SICK CHILD"
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:43 PM
Nov 2013

My 29 year old daughter, 3 months pregnant, said that recently to her 32 year old husband of 4 years. Wow, good for you, my daughter. It is your body, and you life.

It doesn't end with unmarried 16-21 year olds. Hell, I am 65, married 40 years, and said to my husband recently, "You cannot force ME to die the way YOU want to". It doesn't end. The more things change; the more things stay the same.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. what a conversation you two must have been having.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:51 PM
Nov 2013

i am always so patient with husband, but finally said the other day. you have trusted me to drive your children for two decades. i drove for two decades, without your help prior to meeting you. YET, when you get in my car, you are just sure i cannot navigate my way out of a paper bag.

what gives....

life is a trip. hockey. kiss on your daughters forehead for saying.... stop. lol

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
33. Why do males do this?
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 09:40 PM
Nov 2013

when they have medical professionals, women, mothers, telling them otherwise? My SIL's own mother herself told him to chill out and take the advice of his wife's OB/GYN, and what she, and me, have said. Why do men think they know everything there is to know about females reproduction, pregnancy, and birth?

Even worse when these males are legislators and think they know it all too.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
34. because, they have been raised all their lives womens submissive roles, they the care taker,
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 09:43 PM
Nov 2013

father knows best, women are emotions, not critical thinkers and on and on and on.

privilege and entitlement.

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