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mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 11:17 AM Jul 2014

What If Fashion Ads

Objectified Men the Same Scary Way They Do Women?



http://www.takepart.com/feature/2014/07/09/what-if-fashion-objectified-males-same-scary-way-it-does-females

t’s been a rough few weeks for pervy middle-aged guys in the fashion industry.

First, photographer Terry Richardson was the subject of a much discussed New York magazine feature that questioned whether the lensman is an artist or a predator. The piece explored more than a decade of allegations of abusive behavior toward fledgling models, who told of Richardson asking them to perform graphic sex acts to further their careers.

Even high-profile models have long expressed disgust at Richardson’s methods. In 2010, supermodel Rie Rasmussen told Page Six, “He takes girls who are young, manipulates them to take their clothes off and takes pictures of them they will be ashamed of. They are too afraid to say no because their agency booked them on the job and are too young to stand up for themselves.” Richardson pinned his unconventional methods on an unhappy childhood, telling New York, “I don’t have any regrets about the work at all.… I’m okay with myself about everything, and that to me is the most important thing.”
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Why the ouster now? The depressing but predictable answer is money. The board didn’t seem to mind his sketchy behavior when the company stock was $15 a share in 2007. American Apparel leaders only took action after stocks plummeted to 47 cents in April and the deductible on the company’s employment liability insurance surged to $1 million from $350,000,
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Whether or not the recent controversy will lead to the downfall of either, it's time someone called out the rampant sexism they've fostered. What better way to start than by replacing the women in controversial ads with dudes like Charney and Richardson? They're just as disturbing as you'd expect, but only half as distressing as the originals
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What If Fashion Ads (Original Post) mercuryblues Jul 2014 OP
Ah but the "whataboutthemenz?!" chorus here insists men are just as objectified! redqueen Jul 2014 #1
spoken like a classic sociopath = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #2
Good lord ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #3
let that company just keep falling falling falling into the garbage heap. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #4
what if women quit being slaves to fashion and ignored the ads? nt msongs Jul 2014 #5
How about you read the article ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #6
When the light-bulb idea hits someone vis-a-vis how to ignore subtle advertising LanternWaste Jul 2014 #7
Wow. Really? redqueen Jul 2014 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #9
So your perception is that men and women are equally objectified or ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #12
**whoosh** cyberswede Jul 2014 #13
in media discussions, one must recognize the discrepancies in numbers to discern a trend LanternWaste Jul 2014 #11
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what specifically leads you to this belief? LanternWaste Jul 2014 #16
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If the best you've got is criticizing an academic book you've never read LanternWaste Jul 2014 #19
"a pose like a woman" cyberswede Jul 2014 #15
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That's ths point. cyberswede Jul 2014 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #22
Honey, have you ever ridden a SUBWAY???? Warpy Jul 2014 #21
Heh. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #23
I hope he saw that before MIRT swatted him Warpy Jul 2014 #24
He came right back ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #25
I'm wondering whose sock it is redqueen Jul 2014 #26
they giggle and high five over at discussionist at being disruptors.... that site feeds it. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #30
Ok, well, we'll just take them out more quickly, then. cyberswede Jul 2014 #32
There may be a small group or the same person of anti-feminist trolls ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #31
They're amateurs compared to LG... cyberswede Jul 2014 #33
LoL! ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #34
I had to do mercuryblues Jul 2014 #27
He was the anti-feminist, racist homophobic troll we think ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #28
oh mercuryblues Jul 2014 #29

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
1. Ah but the "whataboutthemenz?!" chorus here insists men are just as objectified!
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jul 2014

The Pepsi ad! Those handfuls of underwear and cologne ads! It's totally equal now!

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
2. spoken like a classic sociopath =
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jul 2014

“I don’t have any regrets about the work at all.… I’m okay with myself about everything, and that to me is the most important thing.”

disgusting POS.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
3. Good lord
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jul 2014

Not surprising to hear of creepy photographers-- they're practically an archetype. I wonder how widespread the behavior is?


What's particularly creepy is that pretending to be a fashion photographer was a favored technique of more than one serial killer

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
6. How about you read the article
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

Prior to expressing an opinion. Your answer will have, I hope, a bit more substance and less insult.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. When the light-bulb idea hits someone vis-a-vis how to ignore subtle advertising
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jul 2014

When the light-bulb idea hits someone vis-a-vis *how* to tune-out subtle advertising and emotional manipulation on a collective and cultural level, your point will then be valid and most likely, considered...

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
8. Wow. Really?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jul 2014

That's your thoughtful and considered response to an article about sexual objectification?

Transparent.

Response to mercuryblues (Original post)

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
10. So your perception is that men and women are equally objectified or
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jul 2014

Objectified in the same way when they are, or the objectification do women is no longer a problem, because Pepsi ad?

Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #10)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. in media discussions, one must recognize the discrepancies in numbers to discern a trend
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jul 2014

then the answer is they already do - the Pepsi ad being a notable example.."

Yet in media discussions, one must recognize the discrepancies in numbers to discern a trend. If A is being objectified in 1 ad, and B is being objectified in 99 ads, then we must allow for, and give reason as to why B is typically illustrated as such, while the objectification of B is a statistical aberration.

('Ritual, Media, and Conflict' by Ronald Grimes,)

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #11)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. what specifically leads you to this belief?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jul 2014

"I don't believe there is actually a discrepancy..."

As objective media studies* seem to contradict your first premise, what specifically leads you to this belief, and on what (non-anecdotal) evidence is it supported?



*See for example source cited previously in addition to 'The Age of Manipulation' by Wilson Key.

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #16)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. If the best you've got is criticizing an academic book you've never read
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jul 2014

If the best you've got is criticizing an academic book you've never read and your own anecdotal experience, you don't really have anything substantive at all... let alone an answer to (again) what specifically leads you to believe more men are being objectified in advertising than women.

Though I will commend you for answering many questions that were neither asked nor relevant to the OP, as it seems your Freudian slip is showing...

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
15. "a pose like a woman"
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jul 2014

Standing with your pants pulled down is a pose for a woman?

Sitting with your legs in the air (in no pants) is a pose for a woman?

Response to cyberswede (Reply #15)

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
20. That's ths point.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jul 2014

They're selling clothing, not sexual intercourse. The woman is a sexual object in this context. I would think that would be obvious.

And your claim that men are more objectified in ads now is wholly unsupportable.

Response to cyberswede (Reply #20)

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
24. I hope he saw that before MIRT swatted him
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jul 2014

Some people are just too dense to post online. And they think they know it all. He might have been a fun chew toy for just a little bit longer.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
26. I'm wondering whose sock it is
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:25 PM
Jul 2014

There seem to be an awful lot of trolls who are immediately compelled to start barfing their idiocy into feminist discussions.



 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. they giggle and high five over at discussionist at being disruptors.... that site feeds it. nt
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:06 PM
Jul 2014

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
32. Ok, well, we'll just take them out more quickly, then.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jul 2014

No skin off my nose - I like banning pathetic trolls.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
31. There may be a small group or the same person of anti-feminist trolls
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jul 2014

They are considered malicious intruders and now have their own descriptions for MIRT to watch out for.

There is a (possibly) derivative troll, who is also racist/ reverse racism and homophobic troll in addition to being anti- feminist but they often start here for some reason. Not always by any means. My term in MIRT is almost over, but these types of trolls have been recognized as trolls and identified with descriptors at least.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
33. They're amateurs compared to LG...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:21 AM
Jul 2014

and they'll eventually get bored (especially if we take them out right away).

I imagine it's disappointing to go to all the trouble of creating a new username, only to be dusted after 1 post - that only a couple MIRTers read anyway.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
34. LoL!
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:26 AM
Jul 2014

Average mental sounds about an immature 15 year old.

And you're right about LG--she at least gets clever once in a while

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
27. I had to do
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jul 2014

some errands and missed the troll. Did he resemble the right pic?

The point is that many of these photographers are sexually assaulting these young models. Then they take pics like this for the ads. totally disgusting pieces of scum. But oh, yeah the pepsi ad makes it all even.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
28. He was the anti-feminist, racist homophobic troll we think
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jul 2014

They often head straight to HOF, this one got swatted like 3 times.

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