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ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:12 PM Aug 2014

The reader's editor on… the online abuse that follows any article on women's issues

It was one of the more striking remarks of last week, even though it was born out of the recognition of an unpleasant theme that runs through the web. Charlie Leadbeater, a former adviser to the Labour government on the internet, was interviewed for the Guardian in connection with his report, A Better Web, for the Nominet Trust. What he sees as the pervasive misogyny of the web is an example of how the democratising potential of the internet has not been fulfilled.

"I'd love to create something like the 'Mary Beard Prize for women online' to support people who are supporting women to be able to use the internet safely," he said in the article, which was published on 8 August.

A great idea and one that would win support from many editors at the Guardian who see the amount of the moderators' time spent weeding out either off-topic or offensive comments in threads attached to any article loosely related to feminism or women's issues.

As one moderator told me:"There seems to be a huge backlash against the Guardian's increasing coverage of feminist issues, from more frivolous pieces (body hair, sunbathing topless, anything to do with Beyoncé) to pieces on domestic violence, FGM etc. WATM (what about the men) is now something we look out for on any piece about women as standard."

Alex Needham, acting network editor, raised the issue at the Guardian's morning conference following an article by Hadley Freeman on 5 August about the arguments for and against women shaving their body hair.

He told me in an email: "On any article by Laura Bates or Jessica Valenti, or most recently this piece by Hadley, the first 15 or 20 comments always say 'not this again, Guardian, where are the men? We face this kind of problem, so cover that instead.' Because the comments are off-topic they're then removed, which leads to cries of censorship and the claim that the Guardian is sexist – that the problems of white working-class males (who these commenters say are the real victims in society) are ignored."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/10/readers-editor-online-abuse-women-issues
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The reader's editor on… the online abuse that follows any article on women's issues (Original Post) ismnotwasm Aug 2014 OP
Kicking. Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #1
Kick. love_katz Aug 2014 #2
Libertarianism hits the Guardian. It's also hit the Internet Archive reviews. freshwest Aug 2014 #3
Maybe they do need more articles about men shaving their body hair starroute Aug 2014 #4
+1 freshwest Aug 2014 #11
I think sports "news" is frivolous. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #12
Regarding online anonymity mackerel Aug 2014 #5
Rec #23 (I love it when that happens!!!) Number23 Aug 2014 #6
Heh! ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #10
For those Yanks who watch too much American television, I present Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #7
I like history, detective stories, and documentaries, particularly BBC--as much as anyone... hlthe2b Aug 2014 #13
From the OP Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #14
thanks for the context. n/t hlthe2b Aug 2014 #15
The WATM phenomenon liberalhistorian Aug 2014 #8
I recognize the MRA rhetoric in some of the comments cited. Triana Aug 2014 #9

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
3. Libertarianism hits the Guardian. It's also hit the Internet Archive reviews.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:01 PM
Aug 2014

Was looking to download a copy of Emerson's essaay on Self-Reliance after reading a report on AMAZON:

...His words and ideas are so powerful and deep that we soon realize that they didn't come only from a brilliant mind, but also from a warm-hearted soul!

That's exactly what this book is about: Its sentences break through your brain and penetrate right into your soul! Emerson's optimistic view on human beings and life can only reinforce our courage in mankind and, especially, in ourselves!

What else can I say? His speech is direct, he defends all the good values, tell us to have confidence in ourselves and show us that passing through life with dignity is a matter of choice and courage, and that it simply doesn't change with time...

This is the book I grab to comfort my spirit when I'm having difficult times...


http://www.amazon.com/Self-Reliance-Other-Essays-Thrift-Editions/dp/0486277909/ref=pd_sim_b_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=06MC2EXAXHNKTVTJYKED

Looked for an audiobook, but:

Reviewer: doowopbob -

3.00 out of 5 stars3.00 out of 5 stars3.00 out of 5 stars - May 9, 2010

Subject: ...Yup..
....When There Were No Girls Around..We Got Self Reliant..Girls Never Knew About The Jerk Circle, Except For Judy Who Loved Being The Center Of Attention..Whadda Mess She Hadda Clean Up..!


https://archive.org/details/Developi1951

Although penned years ago, it's a level of familiarity and contempt that is disgusting.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
4. Maybe they do need more articles about men shaving their body hair
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:06 PM
Aug 2014

Or about male options in childcare. Or male complaints about being objectified in fashion shoots.

Why should women get all the frivolous stuff?

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
5. Regarding online anonymity
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:54 PM
Aug 2014

the online versions of the local papers in the areas where I live require that you are linked through facebook if you want to comment. It's really taken a dent of the negative comments. I'm sure keyboard courage survives somewhere else on the net.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
7. For those Yanks who watch too much American television, I present
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 09:04 PM
Aug 2014

. . . The one and only . . .
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[font color="hotpink" size="5"]MARY BEARD[/font]


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hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
13. I like history, detective stories, and documentaries, particularly BBC--as much as anyone...
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 04:27 PM
Aug 2014

But, I'm not sure why it is you posted this in reply...? though I'm likely to watch it in entirety later on.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
14. From the OP
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 04:29 PM
Aug 2014

"I'd love to create something like the 'Mary Beard Prize for women online' to support people who are supporting women to be able to use the internet safely," {former Labour Party advisor Charlie Leadbeater} said in the article, which was published on 8 August.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
8. The WATM phenomenon
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 09:27 PM
Aug 2014

is, sad to say, also quite prevalent right here on DU. Just try starting any thread trying to specifically discuss sexism and how entrenched it still is, or any other women's rights issue (including the prevalence of rape and violence against women, and the recent attempts to relax laws against them) and you get a cacophony of bleating about how men are being ignored, or what I call the "benevolent" concerns of "why aren't we talking about other "isms" as well, or even those who claim that women have it a lot better than they think the do and they don't get why men may be worse off.

Of course, then there are those here who call child support "male enslavement", or who even try to either downplay rape or even re-define it, etc. Yes, indeed, the WATM whiners are here also, and in greater numbers than should be found on a liberal, progressive site. And those numbers should be zero.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
9. I recognize the MRA rhetoric in some of the comments cited.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 09:51 PM
Aug 2014

So I'm (perhaps erroneously) assuming that a significant percentage of problem "WATM" commentary is coming from those quarters.

I think some males are SO used to the entire world being centered around them, that they feel insecure about women getting any attention for their own issues. And when men have similar issues, their complaints are valid. When women have them, it's "whinging".

Same ol, Same ol.

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