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Ashley Judds puffy appearance sparked a viral media frenzy. But, the actress writes, the conversation is really a misogynistic assault on all women.
The Conversation about womens bodies exists largely outside of us, while it is also directed at (and marketed to) us, and used to define and control us. The Conversation about women happens everywhere, publicly and privately. We are described and detailed, our faces and bodies analyzed and picked apart, our worth ascertained and ascribed based on the reduction of personhood to simple physical objectification. Our voices, our personhood, our potential, and our accomplishments are regularly minimized and muted.
As an actor and woman who, at times, avails herself of the media, I am painfully aware of the conversation about womens bodies, and it frequently migrates to my own body. I know this, even though my personal practice is to ignore what is written about me. I do not, for example, read interviews I do with news outlets. I hold that it is none of my business what people think of me. I arrived at this belief after first, when I began working as an actor 18 years ago, reading everything. I evolved into selecting only the good pieces to read. Over time, I matured into the understanding that good and bad are equally fanciful interpretations. I do not want to give my power, my self-esteem, or my autonomy, to any person, place, or thing outside myself. I thus abstain from all media about myself. The only thing that matters is how I feel about myself, my personal integrity, and my relationship with my Creator. Of course, its wonderful to be held in esteem and fond regard by family, friends, and community, but a central part of my spiritual practice is letting go of otheration. And casting ones lot with the public is dangerous and self-destructive, and I value myself too much to do that.
However, the recent speculation and accusations in March feel different, and my colleagues and friends encouraged me to know what was being said. Consequently, I choose to address it because the conversation was pointedly nasty, gendered, and misogynistic and embodies what all girls and women in our culture, to a greater or lesser degree, endure every day, in ways both outrageous and subtle. The assault on our body image, the hypersexualization of girls and women and subsequent degradation of our sexuality as we walk through the decades, and the general incessant objectification is what this conversation allegedly about my face is really about.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/09/ashley-judd-slaps-media-in-the-face-for-speculation-over-her-puffy-appearance.html
please read the entire article.
FirstLight
(13,359 posts)(and i think her mom had a lot to do with her being such a strong woman, too...)
what's really sad are the comments, almost 50-50 but some say things like "she's so pumped full of botox..." and "her PR dept wrote that"
that's what's really sad...how can we even have the conversation about the issues she brought up, when so many are still denying that they even are problems?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's clear that "she" Slapchop CLAIMS to be a woman)is just getting back at Ashley for being a woman of Southern heritage who opposed the McCain-Palin ticket.
Slapchap might be Sarah Palin(or possibly Bristol)posting after a 72-hour Everclear bender. Or perhaps Karl Rove in drag(not that ANYONE wanted that image).
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the way this woman is in life, i learned a decade ago. it is the only way to go.
she is one awesome woman. i expect nothing less from her.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Quite dismaying to see this happening here in this group. It really needs to stop.
THIS made me want to stand up and cheer:
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Four: When I have gained weight, going from my usual size two/four to a six/eight after a lazy six months of not exercising, and that weight gain shows in my face and arms, I am a cow and a pig and I better watch out because my husband is looking for his second wife. (Did you catch how this one engenders competition and fear between women? How it also suggests that my husband values me based only on my physical appearance? Classic sexism. We wont even address how extraordinary it is that a size eight would be heckled as fat.)
this one is very irritating and heard often and perpetuated continually. i went to a christmas party with husband. my least favorite thing to do during the christmas season. i dont know anyone, and i really dont care about anyone. so many divorces one year, when i walked in i had THREE men walk up to us and in way of greeting was some joke about coming to the party with the same wife. by the third man, i cut him off and told him to grow up.
" Patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system in which both women and men participate."
yes, i agree. this whole paragraph needs to be heard often and repeatedly. ABnormal obsession.
this is one smart woman.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Yep, that's the truth, both participate and help keep that system alive. How sad.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this part about patriarchy for example. see if i am missing it.
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)Boy, did THEY pick the wrong target -- you GO, girl!
rocktivity
cate94
(2,810 posts)I wish I could recommend this more than once.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)That is one on-point and righteous piece. It's worth some study.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Ashley's new TV series "Missing" on ABC is excellent!!!!
Good on her for confronting the patriachy!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)we should demand, the right to age.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)praise or criticize other women based on having or not having a youthful appearance. Makes me so sad to see it.
spooky3
(34,429 posts)Someone who gets plastic surgery is criticized for being "vain" or, if the results aren't perfect, for having had bad plastic surgery.
Someone who chooses not to do so is criticized for looking "old."
This **** should stop.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)She's got spirit & character & you can see it in her face.
BTW, Miss Representation is out on DVD!!! It's in my Netflix queue!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i have to watch it. i know it will piss me off, lol.
i have a thread ... something about bro, and there is an article where hillary clinton states she watched it. i thought that fun.
Hilary said she was heartened by the fact that the magazine not only published her letter, but acknowledged the extensive blowback the cover had gotten from other readers. She also wrote that she was inspired by the documentary, Miss Representation, and since seeing it has been quick to attack any and all forms of the continued objectification of women, especially powerful women, in our society.
CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)I was surfing through the channels with the volume off & I saw Rice on TV. I thought, "What's this war criminal saying?" I only caught the last part of what she said, but it was about women & our culture, so I stayed tuned. It was about 20 minutes into the documentary, being shown on Oprah's network.
One of the telling scenes for me was when a female TV exec was asking around to start another woman's channel. Male network execs scoffed & said, "You ladies already have your own channel." Then the screen scrolled the names of all the sports/men type channels & it was mind boggling. The ladies have one channel, the men have dozens.
Male is the default.
Yeah, it's gonna piss you off. But it will be good, too. I can't wait to see it again.
Oh look, I know what I'm giving all my friends this year for the holidays:
http://www.amazon.com/Miss-Representation-Cory-Booker/dp/B006GRWCF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333996828&sr=8-1
I think I will have a Christmas in April event.
whathehell
(29,063 posts)and "puffy" my ass...The "demand" for hyper-skinniness in women
is now officially "insane", like so many other things in the world.
The idea that a size 8 is "large" is a joke, and a bad one.
Jackie Kennedy was a size 10, Marilyn Monroe a size 12.
No one thought they were "puffy".
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I'll never forget when I got my first professional job, and my mentor at the time took me clothes shopping. She took me to a specialty store for larger sizes, I was a size 8.
whathehell
(29,063 posts)I thought it was bad when I saw size 10 listed as "large"...That used
to be "medium".
Do you live in L.A. or NY or something?...Sorry, nothing against
either of those places, but I somehow imagine only a very "trendy" city
would take it that far.
For what it's worth, I thought it was admirable when actress, Kate Winslet
stated that she was NOT going to buy into the "big skinny" crap.
Even with that, she certainly looks no larger than an eight on screen.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)It was my first time at Lane Bryant, before then I'd never suspected there would be specialty stores for different sizes of clothes.
whathehell
(29,063 posts)I thought Lane Bryant handled only "plus" sizes, which are (at smallest)
size fourteen and going up to to 16 through 24.
Maybe I'm a lot older than you.
CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)Not that I would know. ~lol. I'm a size 12-14. And for the record, no one thinks I look fat, heavy or puffy.
Women bought into this, too, though. I've gone shopping with friends who will buy one particular pair of pants over another because one is labeled a size smaller than the other. One friend even liked the other pair of pants better, but it was labeled an 8 so she bought the size 6 pair.
I'm waiting for the day when I hear some woman say that she's a size -1.
tblue37
(65,281 posts)That is still not "large," obviously, but we cannot take those dress sizes at face value.
I wore a size 6 dress at my wedding. Today, that would be a 2, possibly even a 0.
whathehell
(29,063 posts)It's insane, and yes, I know what you mean about some women
buying into this bs...I used to work in a retail women's clothing
store, so I heard/saw a lot. I remember one woman who REFUSED
to buy an item because it was a 14, even though that was the only size that fit her.
I waited on one poor soul, a young woman in her twenties who was about five foot 8".
She asked for a size 2, and, at the time, I thought "Wow...So thin for a tallish girl".
I brought it to her, and, lo and behold, it was too BIG for her!
She was a "recovering anorexic". I hadn't noticed earlier because she had her coat on.
The size 2 was too BIG for her, and she said "It just makes me look skinnier"!
This is scary stuff...I'm about five feet six inches and have NEVER been
smaller than a size eight, and that only lasted two weeks! Generally, I wore a size 10 to 12 and,
like you, NOBODY thought I was "fat"...I used to get complimented
on my figure...Now I'm over fifty and a size 16, unfortunately,
I'm now TRYING to get down to a size 12!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)from a woman with an eating disorder (not actively, but eating disorders don't always go away). I am so tired of being bombarded with stereotypes of what women "should" look like.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)I'm serious. Bless Meryl Streep's heart, she gets plum roles in part because she LOOKS like a woman of age. Of course in order for those parts to be important people have to recognize that women of age (and girth and regular looks) are remarkable and deserve to have their stories told.
Good for Ms.Judd!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Love her.
CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)She was great. She was friends with one of the main characters - the widow of the mortuary owner. They were out shopping one day & the Bates character shoplifted something. The other woman was horrified. Bates laughed & said, "In this society, women of our age are invisible."
I don't advocate shoplifting, but she was spot on with that comment.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I love her in everything she does.
spooky3
(34,429 posts)It is amazing how many people feel free to judge and even openly comment on the appearance of women to a much greater extent than they do to men.
It just provides more evidence to support her points.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Very right on.
I would encourage any and all readers of "Us" magazine to boycott it until they stop running such idiotic, vapid pieces. Although I'm not sure what would be left.
GardeningGal
(2,211 posts)iverglas
(38,549 posts)We started watching her new show (think we may have lost track of it and will have to download a missed episode or two) and I actually remarked to the co-vivant about how good she looked, as in real, and natural, and aging like a normal woman. It is so nice to see a female character being played by a woman actually old enough to be the character, and not tiny and perfect. There have been a couple of series/mini-series recently where the "wife" characters just made me not want to watch at all, they were so obviously too young for the role of mother to teenagers, and just too goddamned tiny.
Very nice thing to read, thanks for posting.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)for that reason
every show was chalk full of crap that pissed me off, lol. i dont even know what is out there now. i watch stewart and colbert when hubby turns it on in our room.
and top shots. love that show
mzmolly
(50,985 posts)on Ms. Judd.