Hey you guys want to read some 'critical thinking' from a Reddtter?

[ismnotwasm]

Don't go any further if you have no time for that trash, or if you've just eaten, but we have in this one little essay Sooo many arguments we've heard right here at DU. I often cruise the MRA sites, or dumbass articles like this-- I like to know how people think, and if I can get some background (rare) WHY they think so screwy.

I am for equality for women, but i am against Sarkeesian and Alexander and Quinn... My take on why many of us fall into this category. Maybe a post for women to read? (self.KotakuInAction)
submitted 8 hours ago by GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy
raise of hands among the men here - who is against equality for women?
i would imagine that the crickets have become quite loud and there's not a hand to be seen.
so why would i be against the women in this #gamergate dustup? how could i take sides against them?
imo, because they are not worthy of support... and they're actually not worthy of feminism - and they're giving it a bad name. they're certainly making ME dislike the term.
speaking of terms, i've only recently encountered 'Social Justice Warrior'. LOL. are they serious? that's like a pastiche of a caricature. and as far as i can see, their stock in trade is just being loud and obnoxious. In flying the banner and hiding behind the cover of feminism while basically just attacking men and what they like and how they are. That's pretty much their WHOLE shtick... interestingly, they are surprised then when men actually push back.

THE PROBLEM WITH SARKEESIAN:
her critical thinking skills and her arguments are atrocious. basically, she manipulates and cherry picks to make an argument that she intended to argue... it is less about reporting on the reality of what she has discovered and more about just having an agenda and arguing it hell or high water.
her biggest flaw is attributing everything to the malice of men. that all the problematic issues in games she sees is due to the innate sexism among the game creator men. but there are lots of other explanations that explain certain phenomena in games as well as books or films and other narrative based experiences... she picks at the fact that women frequently lack agency but in most popcorn fiction, almost every character that is NOT THE PROTAGONIST lacks agency - and in actual fact, the "tightest" stories are those in which EVERY THING in the story is a reflection of the main character... that's the "hero's journey" paradigm that's so popular in the west. the RIGHT thing to argue is that there should be more female protagonists... that is defensible. but to say that because a secondary female character lacks agency and that that is reflective of some sexist viewpoint is just absurd.
essentially, she twists and reaches to make EVERYTHING about sexism when there are simpler, better and more true answers.

And this---oh my fucking God

and finally, perhaps the thing that encompasses all of the above:
THE PROBLEM WITH POPULAR FEMINISM:
as evidenced in those three as well as websites like jezebel... there's a LOT not right about them... so i'll pick out a few issues that i have.
the objectification of women. they've got to get over it. this is what men do. PERIOD. tits and ass will ALWAYS be important to men. that is never going away. and the odd thing is that while complaining about such objectification, they PLAY INTO it with their blood engorged vagina analog lipsticks and pushup bras and etc etc etc. fucking have some goddamn consistency with your positions eh ladies?
you can't attack this without it being an attack on men. this is SIMPLY OUR NATURE. and if the media out there is filled to the brim with that kind of stuff you should address it as an issue of REPRESENTATION - that the male pov is ubiquitous and there should be more perspectives from females... that's FINE to fight for. but to say that all this objectification is somehow WRONG... that is an attack on men.
also, people in GENERAL objectify others. this is NOT just a male thing. it's a human thing. when's the last time that you thought about a cashier at the grocery story or mcdonald's as a human being with a family and feelings and maybe a parent that depends on them etc etc etc? we objectify the people in our day to day lives who are not important to us according to their significance in our lives... they are THE WAITRESS, THE CASHIER, THE CABLE MAN, etc. all we want out of them, the aspect of their lives that we are concerned with is that they fulfill their function! without this kind of heuristic, we would be UNABLE TO FUNCTION IN THE WORLD for fuck's sake!
rape culture. i don't know what this is. my group of board gaming, videogame playing, comic book reading fellows don't approve of rape. are there a bunch of you guys out there that think it's peachy keen? is there a "murder culture" too? or a "culture of mugging"? criminals always have and always will exist in the world. people we pass by every day are perpetrators of all kinds of crimes including rape, assault with a deadly weapon, drunk driving, etc. doesn't mean there's a "culture" of it.
i have plenty of female friends. none of them have been raped. but when this discussion comes around, feminists freely throw out crazy numbers like "1 in 4 women"... wtf?? is that including or excluding third world nations with genocidal civil wars going on??? Are they including when guys check them out???
And HOLY SHIT - IF IT IS TRUE THAT WOMEN ARE GETTING RAPED EVERY OTHER TIME THEY LEAVE THE HOUSE GET A FUCKING GUN!!! get two! get titanium chastity belts and electrified bras and don't leave the house without covering fire and a bowie knife in your teeth! I WOULD!

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2i5s4w/i_am_for_equality_for_women_but_i_am_against/

[CTyankee]

1. Has this man been drinking heavily?

He sounds like he's a sloppy drunk, staggering around and bellowing against insults he perceived were made against him and later you find him slumped down, passed out...

[shenmue]

2. I'd bet

[CTyankee]

3. god, I despise sloppy drunks...I am getting less and less able to tolerate

these self indulgent assholes.

Sorry to rant but we should just ignore this shithead and move on...

[sufrommich]

4. I wonder what name he uses at Discussionist.

Does anyone actually have a group of female friends where none of them have ever been raped? I don't.

[seabeyond]

5. like a man can say, with certainty, many women friends and none raped. like, he thinks they are

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gonna just share the info

[nomorenomore08]

8. I can't say so either, sadly. I'm a guy, but a couple of my female friends have shared some

pretty awful stories with me. And I'm fairly sure they're not an aberration.

[JoeyT]

6. Any sub that ends in "InAction" is probably going to be full of idiots.

Although since 2XC went default it wouldn't surprise me to find this post (upvoted) there either.

i have plenty of female friends. none of them have been raped. but when this discussion comes around, feminists freely throw out crazy numbers like "1 in 4 women"

Two highly dubious claims and a strawman in a single sentence is impressive. I highly doubt he has plenty of female friends (Gotta stay out of that friendzone), and if he does, I can almost guarantee at least one of them has been raped. She's just not going to volunteer that information to a misogynistic asshole that might use the information against her in the future. Or one of them has told him and he's straight up lying.

Given the general nature of Reddit, that guy is probably like nineteen, has a girlfriend that doesn't know she's his girlfriend, and hangs out on /r/TheRedPill.

Edit: Just checked. He's an /r/videos, /r/worldnews, and /r/funny troll. Three of the worst default subs. All he needed was /r/adviceanimals to be involved in all the openly misogynistic and racist default subs at once.

[nomorenomore08]

7. For starters, he conflates together so many different things as to make one's head spin.

He also seems to have a very poor grasp on what "objectification" actually is - reducing people to two dimensions, or finding them sexually appealing, isn't even the half of it. It involves the active (if perhaps not entirely conscious) denial of another person's full humanity, to the point of disregarding their needs and feelings entirely, or almost entirely. It's what makes possible everything from sexual assault, to the theft of employees' wages and savings.

Of course, this is only scratching the surface of what's wrong with the piece. But frankly I don't feel like wading in any further at the moment.

[smirkymonkey]

9. It bothers me how he sees people he considers beneath him.

"The Waitress, the Cashier, the Cable Guy". He doesn't see them as human beings, he only sees them as "functions". What a sick way to go through life. The guy is an obvious sociopath. Nothing he says is worth wasting a second on.