OK this is going to be long, I am highly annoyed right now. *** HOF thread ***

[seaglass]

Also I am outing myself because I don''t want any of you to get the blowback for one of my posts.

This afternoon while browsing at DI, I saw a thread started by Attera (DU's darkangel218) titled:
Is the HoF ever going to leave us alone?
http://www.discussionist.com/101652425
This is what she said about HoF members:

"They claim they do nothing wrong, yet all they do is resort to unwarranted personal attacks and lies to get our posts hidden.
They have issues and we are not psychologists to deal with them"

Now, I am a HoF member. I posted once on DI back in May, I might have been on a few juries in the first couple weeks but I rarely log in and haven't posted since (probably shouldn't give it clicks either). So Attera's statement pissed me off because I knew it to be a lie, plus I knew it was going to provide an opportunity for all the HOF-haters to start their attacks - in other words a shit stirring thread about HOF.

As I read through the thread, these were some of the choice comments made about HOF members:
By a juror:

The History of Feminism group on Democratic Underground is a scourge and a plague to the name of Feminism as a movement and to the very notion of universal suffrage itself. I cannot, in good conscience, hide this post due to my sincere belief that minority, fringe, and extremist elements -should- be exposed for what they are and cast out accordingly, similar to spam-posters and ultrazealots.

I vote leave it. Let the HoFers return from whence they came to wallow in their sty, lest they stink up Discussionist.

-A Feminist-

from poster Mountain Dew: (I think this is a DUer but don't know who)

Yes they do and you

are a fine example. You, your imaginary put upon little girls and your childish baiting are disgusting. Take it back to the swamp where you and your fellow HOF girls can live in perpetual victim-hood. Why do you bring this shit here? Have you blocked so many posters from your special little circle jerk (HOF) that there isn't anyone left to harass?

Poster ol geezer: (I have an idea which DUer this is but won't name until I know for sure)

They are misandrist bullies. Trolls. They use web sites, such as DI and DI, to act out and intimidate, because they know they can get away with it. They feel safe. In the real world though, most have been abused or raped. Many have only known an abusive life. They think abuse is normal. A few are just misandrist bullies that think they are having some harmless fun.

One wrong word or phrase from someone, and the swarm is all over them, alerting on any and every post their current target makes. Baiting them to post something that can be twisted into alterable. If that doesn't work, they have been know to swarm the Admin with lies, innuendos, purposely misinterpreted posts, in an effort to get their target banned. All to often that has worked.

How mentally healthy is that?

The post by ol geezer was alerted on and this is what the jurors had to say:
Juror 1

Ha ha HoF, I'm leaving it. Why hide it? It's all true. Now get back in the kitchen.

Juror 2

This is NOT DU. The truth sometimes hurts and people have a right to hear it. HoFer's attack with a vengeance but get butt hurt when they get called out? Too bad, stay at DU if you don't like it.

Poster _eek

Small minded people with an over-inflated sense of themselves and their place in the world, and our society.

I kind of feel bad for them, I recognize the abused strive to abuse. But HoFrs are not really feminists anyway, it's just the bat they use to beat their victims as well as a nice shield.

SlayerNut (current DUer - don't know who it is)

They accuse people of alert stalking and shit when there dumb posts get hidden and play the victim in almost every situation, even when they are the aggressors. It isn't about feminism as much as it is about controlling others.

The alert on the OP (as flamebait)
Juror 1:

HOF can kiss my shiny ass... go back to du

Juror 4:

no they won't leave us alone, not until they have asimilated the discussioneist. we must do it thier way or ELSE . Yes I am with the poster HOF GO HOME

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I posted an offer to Attera to make a deal, if she refrained from posting here at DU, I would refrain from posting there. Kind of a trade - a HoF member for a troll. And yes, I did call her a troll. Anyone who knows her history over here knows it. Hi Qukid (DUer Pintobean) I was fully expecting to get a hide and that's fine (although I really really wanted her to agree to the deal). I also got Flagged for Review - which again I'm OK with. I did find it interesting that none of the foul comments I noted above were hidden - but it is Discussionist after all. HOFers not welcome - just in case you weren't sure about that.

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When I started this post, my intention was to show what was posted on DI and express my unhappiness with DU/DI admins in allowing DI to be used to attack members in good standing here. But really what is the use? We have been down this and similar paths many times and it goes nowhere.

What I do see as a take-away is this though. From the first days of DI, current and former DUers used it to attack this group. Now I have read Conservative Cave for years and they were never much interested in HOF. I haven't read FR since the Bush years but I doubt they have much interest in this group. What happened at DI is DUers leading the charge against this group. They have now encouraged republicans and libertarians and conservatives to join in their 2 minutes of hate. It seems the goal of Discussionist, to encourage people from diverse political backgrounds to find common ground has come to fruition - in hatred for HOF members. Bravo.

[shenmue]

1. Those people suck

[seaglass]

4. Right to the point. :-) n/t

[cyberswede]

2. That place is a sewer.

I recommend ignoring it entirely.

Really: if nobody from over here engages in their HoF-bashing threads, they're just muttering to themselves.

On the other hand, I think it's kinda funny that they don't have anything better to talk about. You're like some sort of celebrities to them. Sad, really.

[seaglass]

3. That's a great rec I think cyberswede. :-) n/t

[ismnotwasm]

17. That's what I think

I'm famous! I post in HOF! I piss morons off on a daily basis! Yeah!

[yuiyoshida]

55. one reason I never went there..

and will never go.

[DonCoquixote]

5. about that site

I am not annoyed about the mods giving those people a site. I am not even that annopyed about the fact that I see ads for it here.

What I am angry about is that we, who kept this site going, are expected to lie back and take it when they get on that site and activly enpcourage people to disprupt or attack us. It is one thing to have the new baby, it is another when the new child stabs you, beats you, and have YOU treated like the stepchild.

members of the HOF have caught these DI Dimwits activl;y braggign about what they do, and has there been a peep? Has there even been the obligatory "we klnow there is a rpoblem and we are working on it?" NO, and why not, because the right wing offers MONEY.

[geek tragedy]

6. DI is a rightwing, misogynist sewer of trolls.

I do not post there or give that place any traffic. It deserves to go out of business. Starve it of clicks, let it die on the vine.

[cyberswede]

7. I wish I could rec this reply. nt

[ismnotwasm]

18. +1

[seaglass]

8. Yeah, I think you're right, best to ignore altogether. n/t

[geek tragedy]

9. I think of the website itself as a troll.

Don't feed the troll, don't reward the persons funding DI with clicks to help them realize a return on their investment .

[theHandpuppet]

24. Amen.

I don't go there, don't give them clicks, don't care what they think, don't make them infinitely more important than they are.

[daleanime]

27. Amen....

What little I seen of it was enough, had to wash my hands and walk away.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

33. Agreed.

I made an account there but after three juries leaving blatant misogynist, homophobic and just flat-out racist posts, I left.

[Leith]

10. Don't Let Her Get to You

She has a history of going off the rails every so often and attacking everyone within reach. A couple times she actually apologized a couple days later.

On the plus side, although I don't know many names on DU, I visited this group earlier today because of the thread. There I saw several familiar names of people whose posts I enjoy reading and many interesting threads. I'll be back, mainly to lurk as usual.

Cheers and don't nobody change for nuttin'.

[Warpy]

11. There's a reason I don't go there

If I wanted to hang out with mean people, I'd go to one of my high school reunions. I've been on mixed boards and it just never works, it turns into a hate fest toward any people who tell uncomfortable truths.

I'm delighted to leave DI alone. It's a great honey trap for jerks and trolls.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. As of this moment, I am done with Dicussionist. For the record, I have not posted over

there since September 9, 2014. That will be my last post. Done.

I have not logged in but once since that last post.

I joined on May 14, 2014 and have made a total of 241 posts there. Most of these posts were made early on when I (and everyone else, I suppose) were looking around to see what we thought of the new place.
Now, I know what I think and, I think I am done.

I know I am done.

Thank you for this post, seaglass. K&R

[BainsBane]

13. She posted in HOF the other day, which makes her as much of a HOF members as anyone.

Last edited Mon Nov 3, 2014, 02:45 AM - Edit history (1)

and the fact is she is the one who has invested grudges with HOF, when her disputes are with lounge people. She does it because it's popular, and she will say and so anything to be popular with those ultra right-wing racist, misogynist pigs on DI. I have called her on her claiming that HOF members are after her when her grudges are with people she knows form the Lounge and not HOF. She doesn't deny it. That site is full of people with a pathological and violent hatred for feminists (really women) and people of color. Anyone who wants to be popular with such people holds those values. There really is nothing more to say. Frankly, she's not worth the mental energy. Imagine what it is to be that, to lie to be popular with hate mongers?

As for the jury comments, they are complaining about feminist speech on another website. HOF is the scapegoat for everyone and everything, including those who are PPR'd for anti-Semitism and everything else. It has nothing to do with reality. It's the kind of scapegoating the ignorant do: Arabs, Muslims, Jews, blacks, HOF, whatever. It's all the same. It's all just an outlet to blame their own failures on and has nothing to do with us. Ask them for links and they come up dry. They have nothing. It's all empty scapegoating that only reflects their own angst about being failures in life. Look how often they post about how horrible black people are who talk about racism or who speak at all. They treat Mr. Scorpio like dirt, and he's as nice a guy as they come. There they have a safe haven to express their hatred toward everyone who isn't male, white, and uneducated. They are worse than anything you will see on FR, or any other right-wing site. It may be the only site on the internet where violent threats aren't grounds for being banned. They know they can say and so anything; well, anything except challenge misogyny (that resulted in a permanent ban for one feminist). They sow hatred because they have nothing else in life, as though that makes up for the fact they refuse to get any kind of education or training that will allow them to compete in the modern world. I say give them no attention. The fact they are so threatened by feminist posts on another website shows how small they are.

If you see Attera mention HOF again, I suggest pointing out that she herself is a HOF poster, more so than some other DUers she has targeted. That should shut her up, or at least piss her off.

[seabeyond]

14. The stupidly crazy thing is no one in hof gives a shit about that poster. She is playing

Some kind of game in her head that none of us are participants in.

[seabeyond]

15. These are du sexist kicked off. These are present duers that derail

Women's issues regularly.

Skinner doesn't have far to look if he wants examples what we have been discussing for a while now.

The board is dying. They are not nice people. Leave them to wallow in their own trash.

Sorry you spent you Sunday night pissed. Hope you feel better after a vent

[seaglass]

26. Thanks sea. I don't and can't stay mad for long, once I hit post I was fine. :-) n/t

[seabeyond]

34. i am like that too. lol. hence those hides. well. i just perused the whole thread just now.

gotta tell you.. so fuckin funny. so so.

i do not know who most are that was going on. but wow.

lol

and lansa. links. i want the links to all our nasty, too. insulters will never back it up. lol. nevah. your posts are simply awesome in brilliant. and crickets. not much in the actual argument for most on that thread, more the flaying of hands and rhetoric. need some substance, boys and girls.

[ismnotwasm]

16. What Are they stupid?

I've never been there maybe it's time for a visit. (Not really)

Tossing insults as idiotic as that are simply designed to annoy and bait. It Also gives me the impression that they are not the most--stable--of people. A lot of anger and unresolved mental issues, in a group that has gathered under a paranoid umbrella. Plus the comments are hilarious.

So no, whiny DI members, we are never going leave you alone. You're stuck. We're watching you.

Actually we don't give a shit, but since you won't believe that--believe that we will never leave you alone. We're coming to take over.

[BainsBane]

19. The problem, however, is she cultivates hatred in a hotbed of anger and misogyny

at a place that has been used to generate threats of violence against women of this group. She does so knowing about the threats of violence. I can only conclude that mere threats are not enough to satisfy her, that she would like to see violence inflicted on one or more of us. The fact is, our being raped and killed won't improve her life. It won't make her more educated, enable her to earn more money, or make her boyfriend treat her any better. But it makes her popular among the far right extremists who populate that site and that, evidently, is more important than our safety or our lives.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Results of your Jury Service

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Mon Nov 3, 2014, 03:35 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The problem, however, is she cultivates hatred in a hotbed of anger and misogyny
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=52573

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Says about Darkangel218 "She does so knowing about the threats of violence. I can only conclude that mere threats are not enough to satisfy her, that she would like to see violence inflicted on one or more of us"
Please hide this shit.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 3, 2014, 04:05 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: There are several posts in that thread that call out members of DU that need to be cleaned out. Direct attacks towards site members are inappropriate in the individual subtopics. At the same time, community concerns should have some place for voicing in order to help weed out trolls. So I have to go strictly with the rules on this one since I have no easy way to follow the events that are being transcribed.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ugh. Not interested in being used as a tool by the people in this feud. Let all of the posts stand. I avoid DI for a reason, some of us saw this coming.

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is in HOF, a proected forum. If you disagree, say so, but so not hide.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: can't take the honesty I guess
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Since this is posted in HoF group, I'm voting to leave. It IS over the top as are many of the posts in this group. However they can have their in-fighting.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[BainsBane]

22. Thanks, but the alerter called out the poster

I did not. I only referenced a DI poster's name. That is quite clear in all of my posts in this thread.

The facts are these. I and other HOF members have been threatened from that site. Why should an alerter, any alerter, resent our speaking about an ongoing climate of hostility toward us on that other site? We are the DUers. The discussion we are talking about is not taking place on DU. Why should the alerter want to protect behavior on another site and instead censor us?

[beam me up scottie]

23. The alert was on your post.

Not familiar with the history behind the posts in this thread but I respect safe havens and hate DI.

Just thought I'd post the jury results as an fyi.

[ismnotwasm]

28. Don't worry, here's the results of the alert on MY post

On Mon Nov 3, 2014, 06:46 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

What Are they stupid?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=52570

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calls DI posters who are also DUers "mentally unstable". Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 3, 2014, 06:59 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: HINT: This is NOT DI and many of those posters are possibly "mentally unstable" but many are definitely bigots!
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No worse than anything else on that thread.
Personally, I'm not interested in that type of discourse and wouldn't give it any of my time.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I would have voted to hide if he had listed specific DI/DU posters as being mentally unstable.

To clarify, I meant not so much "specific Duer's" as those who, on an entirely different site, which I have personally never been on, apparently being obsessed in such a negative way with this group.

Breathe deep DI, let it go

[Tuesday Afternoon]

36. thank you for posting and thanks to whomever sent you the results.

[BainsBane]

37. She spent all night alerting

here and on DI. And then made the very same comments she had just alerted on and gotten hidden on someone else. Fortunately, DU juries are not the same as DI juries.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

39. I don't think she was the only one alerting. The Alert Message on your post does not sound like her.

I think there are others that will take any opportunity to alert on some of us.

ah, the special ... Chosen Few ...

[BainsBane]

41. Only she posted in on DI immediately afterward

but it's true we never know for sure who an alerter is.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

43. timing is another indicator, yes. and True, we never know who is our Accuser.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

35. thank you for posting the results.

[beam me up scottie]

49. Anytime!

I'm just glad it turned out well, if the decision had gone the other way I wouldn't have been so happy to post the results.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

50. bless you, tonight of all nights. Bless you. Fuck.

what a night !!!

[beam me up scottie]

51. Yeah, tonight.

Being on DU makes it almost bearable.

Almost.



I see many long walks in my future, and no radio, television or discussion of politics. The first fucker that gloats is going to regret it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

52. Tomorrow, I will put on my Game Face ... but, TONIGHT ...

Shall we dance ...

[beam me up scottie]

53. I'm crying here.

Man, I get so angry at DUers but nights like tonight, well I would be all alone without you.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

54. IKR !! me too. fuck. tonite.

[ismnotwasm]

20. Time for a cheesy '80's song

Very apropos

[Phentex]

32. We're the COOL KIDS now! lol...

It's all very sad but funny in a way that SO MANY PEOPLE, lurkers, DU members & elsewhere have such a great interest in this group. Must be doing something right!

[BainsBane]

38. Hey, when someone spends more than six months

sowing a fabricated feud with women on a site across the internet, naturally they are going to watch very closely the fruits of their labor. She finally got HOF to notice her! That must be very exciting for someone who has worked so hard to generate a feud with women in this group. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. perfect

[MadrasT]

25. I find their behavior to be extremely odd.

It doesn't upset me because I long ago stopped caring what strangers on the internet write. It's kind of entertaining, actually.

It's like they never emotionally advanced past age 13.

I just can't imagine spending so much time trash-talking on the internet.

[ismnotwasm]

29. I call them "invisible internet people"

They don't bother me either. I have 3 people on ignore, but that because of their incessent OP's-- clutter's up what I want to read.

It's best just to not care, but i could see where an OP like that would be upsetting. If it was here, it would be locked in one form or another, since it's over there, let's just say I'm even less inclined to visit. Ick

[seabeyond]

31. they create us as Legen.... wait for it.... Dary.

[Orrex]

30. Wait a sec. Is HoF a sty, a swamp, a kitchen or a circle-jerk?

Those crazy DI'ers really need to get their hate straight.

[BainsBane]

42. It's the source of all evil in the world

If not for HOF, they would make more money, have hotter girlfriends and wives, their boyfriends would treat them better, and their lives would be entirely problem-free.

[seaglass]

44. BTW this thread did get alerted, wondering what you think about this.

I think the alert is a bit odd, I mean there is something else that I thought was more alertable. I don't feel that I exposed private/personal info - the names in the post are not anyones REAL name (if they are real names - weird parents). I don't feel that there is some ethical reason that I shouldn't say who they are if I know who it is. Your thoughts? Just to be clear, I'm open to being wrong about this so feel free to share if you think I am.

On Mon Nov 3, 2014, 04:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

OK this is going to be long, I am highly annoyed right now. *** HOF thread ***
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125552553

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Linking DI to DU names is OTT. If people wanted their DU identity known on DI, they would have made them the same. This behavior borders on stalking and is creepy at best.
From the TOS:
Respect people's privacy.
Do not post or link to any private/personal information about any person, even if it is publicly available elsewhere on the Internet.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 3, 2014, 04:29 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Who the fuck cares? It is a discussion board here and there. Both sides of the debate generally act like assholes.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future

.

[cyberswede]

45. Well, that's a reach

Tying someone's anonymous username on one site to their anonymous username on another site?

[ismnotwasm]

47. Love, once again

The clarity of perfection of juror #4

We need to write an ode to juror number 4.

Juror Number 4, in your numerologist eeriness, Appears so often to be unique, perhaps world weariness?

I see

The many juror's number 4 as more than coincidence, but a clarion call, a scintillating wonder, perhaps an appeasment to rival elder Gods
Of

Chaos, (stave off dreariness) and the forces or order
Or just a simple source of merriment?

[seabeyond]

48. hard to be all that in bad ass when hitting the wrong button. just sure #4 had a little ooops moment

[Luminous Animal]

46. Your OP is a good reminder of why I abandoned that place.