History of Feminism
Related: About this forumWomen, do you shave? How much, and why?
I used to. I spent hours each week shaving half my body, and resenting that men only had to worry about a few square inches on their faces.
I never questioned it. It was just expected, and I didn't want to stand out or be "gross" or "disgusting", so I did it.
Then one day I had enough. I stopped caring what other people thought (kind of, I do try to keep it hidden as much as possible and would make exceptions to go to a pool or wear shorts) and decided that if men could have beards, and European women could go without wasting time and money to have smooth skin for a day or so, that I would too. And I've never looked back. I am so much happier hairy because I realized I wasn't doing it "for me", I was doing what I'd been conditioned to do, because I am female.
That thread in GD got me thinking of this. It is so unfair, IMO, that women have so many extra restrictions. It bugs me a lot.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)I can't remember where, that the 'beauty industry' really took off after the women's rights movement started growing and making significant gains.
It was an interesting piece. I'll have to try to find it again.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)just not gonna happen, lol.
i have boys growing up in this time. i get the argument from all the womens perspective at expectation, rejection, another hurdle and making it like a child/porn argument.
i think we put way too much energy into all this when reality, if a person is getting it and good, it is really not all consuming.
i feel for the kids. i know they are being influenced, pressured and expectation is shifting.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)You know what I want to say... Idiocracy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)no thanks.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Too bad the trend didn't move in the other direction.
It's a boon for the razor blade manufacturers, however.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)just ONCE in his life so i could see what he would naturally be, lol. not to mention some other stuff i noticed with his body....
he told me ALL the athletes (guys) shave their chest hair. thinking back to their practices without shirts, he is not pulling my leg.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Now they're voluntarily putting themselves through this.
I don't get it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the hairless body. i totally believe that. oil slick the skin....
yes, i think it is nuts.
my son has the hairest of legs. very young, we can braid, lol. i had to work hard for him to be totally ok and not conscious of that. i mean.... so fuckin what, lol.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)formercia
(18,479 posts)..or is it used as a pick-up line?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)formercia
(18,479 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)just cant figure it, but ok.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Cyclists shave their legs to make scrapes and cuts easier to deal with. Other than that, I really don't see the logic.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)shaving party..... gender neutral. lol. we would also double or triple up on swimsuits to have the drag all season. when we went into the water shaved, wow.... felt fast regardless.
i dont see it either. it is this generations thing. i see there naked chest cause of sports. i do not know if it is the kids as a whole. i will check with son later tonight when he gets off work. i just know we have talked about it and his friends are on the team, for the most part.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Hence the rise in eating g disorders among boys and men, the increasing number of men getting plastic surgery, etc.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)ellenfl
(8,660 posts)having to shave. i even spent a year without shaving but the hair just did not look good with pantyhose. several years ago i got an emjoi hair plucker-outer. after a few sessions, my leg hair quit growing back. now i do nothing. i wish my underarms would get on the same page. plucking underarm hair hurts!
ellen fl
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I tried one of those things on my leg once. Once.
No flipping way would I have done it enough times for lasting effects.
I don't wear hose either. I'll suck it up and conform for special occasions. Usually I just wear boots.
ellenfl
(8,660 posts)i haven't worn hose in years, even in the snow. long skirts and slips work just fine.
ellen fl
rurallib
(62,411 posts)I think nature has done a great job making women quite alluring naturally.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I'm fortunate that my man likes my naturalness.
If I had been with someone who disagreed when I made this decision, it would have been bye bye time.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....if it's good enough for Mark Anthony."
Scuba
(53,475 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in the other thread. you do not know mine, lol.
though i think you accused me of a double standard with the genders, though i really have not given much of an opinion.
i still stand by HUGE difference between a man and a boy.
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MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Who'd have thunk?
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Anyone old enough to remember this?
http://luna-insight.smith.edu:8180/luna/servlet/detail/SOPHIA~29~3~1175~100323:Ms--Magazine,-July-72,-cover
Note upper right hand corner - Body Hair: The Last Frontier
So far I have not been able to find a copy of the article - just the cover. The article was almost as famous as this one -
If Men Could Menstruate
http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/steinem.menstruate.html
40 years; little change...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)thanks.
and i would be interested in that article. maybe tomorrow i will see if i can find it, but i am really bad with google. i get everything BUT what i am looking for.
thanks for the steinem article. excellent.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And I have no doubt things would be much different, in just the type of ways she describes.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)hair you used to shave, like armpits and legs falls out, so you don't need to exfoliate anymore. The bad news is your eyebrows pretty much fall out but you get new growth on your chin and above your lips. Well I take care of those growths with wax and my eyebrows are tattooed back on. It's great though not to have to shave the other body parts anymore.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i guess. lol. cause i am sure not gonna fight it. seems women have to fight all the way thru. not gonna do it anymore.
Yeah, I was surprised to see the comments in that thread about a shaved vulva looking like a post menopausal woman's. Learned something new!
Freddie
(9,265 posts)(I'm female, Freddie is a cat)
Haven't gotten the mustache/chin hair yet (my Mom does so it will happen eventually) but legs are no longer a problem. I find myself having to pluck eyebrows more than before but I can live with that.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Every 3rd day (basically whenever the itching makes me nuts).
It is so light you can't really see it anyway, it's a comfort thing.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Can't stand stubble.
Heh, well not on me. I like my man's stubbly face... but I'd like his face no matter what.
mopinko
(70,090 posts)one day someone called our contact person and asked how radical the group was. she said, "well, i think we all shave, but we are still pretty progressive."
half the membership never shaved anything from that day forward, me included. i was poor. i didn't need that shit. i didn't need a guy that couldn't see past a little hair.
a few years later, i started to wear a buzzcut. i cut my own hair with a clipper.
no nonsense.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)--who was what people would now call a "lipstick lesbian." She identified any body hair with maleness, which she despised esthetically in herself and in other women. She was willing to cut men some slack because they were born that way, and anyhow wasn't interested in them erotically.
Needless to say all of us hippie earth mother types didn't appreciate hearing that. I quit shaving at that point, although post-menopause I eliminate the "grandmothers' moustache" every now and then. I have to wear support hose, which don't really look any better than hair. Not that I gave a flying fuck, even when younger.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)'Course I stopped scrapping even those "few square inches" years ago, too. And the last time I cut my hair I think Reagan was president. Life's too short to worry about that sort of thing. I know some people genuinely feel better about themselves when they conform to others' standards of grooming-- that's fine, and more power to 'em. Me, I rather like my body in it's original wrapper. Glad to hear that works for you, too!
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And yeah if someone actually enjoys all that stuff then more power to 'em. It was always an unwanted process for me. Fortunately for me not cutting the hair on my head was less of an issue, though I did get hassled to 'do something' with it.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)It's a tough social imperative to overcome. But, I'm at peace with my body for the most part, so I don't shave too often. Only if a social situation arises in the summer. Or if I feel like it for some impulsive reason.
One of the problems I have with the rejection of body hair aside from the historical sexism is more and more beauty standards go for a prepubescent look. I find that frightening.
I suppose, if all things were equal, I get the aesthetic of a smooth body, in terms of highlighting the appearance of shape and skin as well as feel, but I don't get trying to obtain the smooth, water-rich look of a 10 year old. (only with breasts)
The societal demand of smooth skin has long been known as a way to infantilize grown women, but I don't like the increased trend of total hairlessness (except for the head) combined with the oversexualzation of young girls--It completely creeps me out.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Fetishizing superficial features just seems wrong to me. Pointless, and just a distraction from what matters.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)has 439 posts considering what we have going right now, a presidential election with a GOP POS running mate in the mix. In GD..of all places?
The crap posts on that thread has me wondering too. WTF?? Nasty? Disgusting?
In all seriousness who CARES if you shave or not? That is my own personal issue and I am just weirded out that so many people want to talk about it! ON DU no less. Weird to me.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)There is so much talk about the electuon. People of course want a break. With the Olympics over, something was bound to serve as the next distraction. Tomorrow it will be something else. Probably a few somethings... different things for different people. This topic just seemed to be one that a lot of people wanted to discuss. C'est la vie.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)Just seems weird that pubic hair and the shave or not to shave topic has gained so much traction. maybe I am just weird.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)hlthe2b
(102,236 posts)group/forum. I'm annoyed it has become the weekly obsession on GD--literally days after the RETHUGS tapped Ryan. This is a political forum, after all.
hlthe2b
(102,236 posts)the "pits".... For all the arguments about the evolutionary benefits of hair, I could never imagine a reason for armpit hair, which soaks up sweat, bacteria and devours my antiperspirant like an addicted junkie grabs onto crack.
As far as the "nether regions", some things REALLY ought to remain private, IMO. Not going there, but to each his/her own.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)Due to my American Indian heritage I have minimal body hair to begin with (although my Irish heritage dominates the rest of my appearance). With menopause the little under arm hair I had gave up the ghost. I had decided in the 70's that I would let my body hair alone, but it grew in so patchy and long it looked awful. Plus I do like the smooth feel.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I shave my pits, legs and nether regions though I often go lax on doing the legs because it's so much area to cover, and in the winter I don't get enough hot water to do everything in the shower I want to be doing... and often I just don't feel like shaving my leg hair whatever the season. I don't even think about what anyone thinks about my long dark leg hairs when I get lazy about shaving them.
I've always shaved my nether regions. When it first started growing in I plucked them out with tweezers until I couldn't keep up with it (and it bloody hurt!). It didn't occur to me then to shave it then until my older sister (who has never shaved anything "down there" advised using a razor. I don't like it, and it has nothing to do with porn or society. Women didn't shave their nether regions back then, and I didn't know anything about porn.
For me it's much more comfortable shaven. Heredity in our family is long thick profusion of dark nether region hair that climbs and twines like ivy into areas most people don't have it. Mine would get stuck in the elastic of my panties, which hurt when yanked on, itched like mad with the slightest moisture of perspiration (and I was very athletic, so this was a normal daily condition for me if not being in a running splattering sweat), and the worst was getting caked dried menses gluing the hairs together on either "side" so that spreading the legs just to step over the bathtub rim yanked out hairs which was excruciating. Back then girls my age didn't use tampons, but after several periods in a row using pads and having this happen several times each month so that I had to shimmy into the bathtub and soak the hairs to separate them I got more vigorous with shaving and started using tampons.
Just like with men shaving their faces, keeping up with shaving the nether regions doesn't cause itchiness, redness, etc. at all, and for a lot of us it's the shaving that gets RID of itchiness and redness that is CAUSED by the hair being there. One of my brothers is an avid runner, and finally started shaving his chest because, like me, the slightest bit of perspiration on his chest caused ghastly itching. Many of my male athletic friends that have chest hair do the same for the same reason though they mostly preferred having the hair because they claimed women liked it (and I confess there were a couple who had the most perfect chest hair that's really attractive to me, so I was hugely bummed they shaved it off).
Just like with facial hair and head hair everyone has their preference with nether region hair now that society permits that people do what they like with their nether region hair. I think it's ridiculous to make any assumptions of why anyone shaves any part of their body or why they don't, and I'm astounded that anyone would judge someone for what they do or don't do with their nether region hair just as I would be if they were judgmental about what they did or didn't do with their head or facial hair... or their leg hair, armpit hair, chest hair, back hair, butt hair or any other body hair. And I'm glad that society now permits men to shave their chest hair off if it bothers them without being judged as being gay (as if that's something that's bad anyway!).
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)Seriously, your posts bring me so much JOY!!! Please... don't be stranger. I really dig you and your posts!