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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:42 PM Aug 2012

Women, do you shave? How much, and why?

I used to. I spent hours each week shaving half my body, and resenting that men only had to worry about a few square inches on their faces.

I never questioned it. It was just expected, and I didn't want to stand out or be "gross" or "disgusting", so I did it.

Then one day I had enough. I stopped caring what other people thought (kind of, I do try to keep it hidden as much as possible and would make exceptions to go to a pool or wear shorts) and decided that if men could have beards, and European women could go without wasting time and money to have smooth skin for a day or so, that I would too. And I've never looked back. I am so much happier hairy because I realized I wasn't doing it "for me", I was doing what I'd been conditioned to do, because I am female.

That thread in GD got me thinking of this. It is so unfair, IMO, that women have so many extra restrictions. It bugs me a lot.

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Women, do you shave? How much, and why? (Original Post) redqueen Aug 2012 OP
Thank you. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #1
I read about a theory once... redqueen Aug 2012 #4
they had their money and independence to buy and be what they want. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #6
no way in hell i am sharing my personal experience here on du, woman..... seabeyond Aug 2012 #2
Superficiality has somehow become a virtue. redqueen Aug 2012 #13
i could not agree more. keep it shallow. seabeyond Aug 2012 #14
FWIW, a lot of young men are feeling pressured to shave extensively, too. pnwmom Aug 2012 #3
yes they are. i threatened, ok begged, no really requested son grow his chest hair seabeyond Aug 2012 #7
Isn't it nuts? I used to be jealous of guys that they didn't have to worry about this. pnwmom Aug 2012 #9
i think hair on chest is yummy. i play with hubby's all the time. it is the porn. seabeyond Aug 2012 #17
Me, too. It's generational, I guess. We lucked out in that, at least. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #19
Do they wear chest toupees on dates? formercia Aug 2012 #18
huh? seabeyond Aug 2012 #20
Humor? formercia Aug 2012 #25
ya.... i figured seabeyond Aug 2012 #26
For swimmers, hair reduces speed in the water eridani Aug 2012 #45
we use to let the hair grow starting in sept and day before our biggest race we would have a leg seabeyond Aug 2012 #47
More and more, they are getting the same things we have been getting. redqueen Aug 2012 #8
And hair dye, too. But usually a bad job of it (especially among politicians!) pnwmom Aug 2012 #12
as a woman who has spent most of a lifetime with hairy legs, i hated ellenfl Aug 2012 #5
OMG, the pain... redqueen Aug 2012 #10
the pain subsides with time. even the underarms. you just have to get used to it. ellenfl Aug 2012 #51
FWIW - I am a male who has always been against interfering with nature rurallib Aug 2012 #11
Thanks for chiming in! redqueen Aug 2012 #16
Just tell people, "Neither did Cleopatra,.. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #15
To my great surprise, I'm an expert on this topic. Ask me anything. Scuba Aug 2012 #21
ya... just read your post..... seabeyond Aug 2012 #22
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #23
OK that was funny. MadrasT Aug 2012 #30
1972 - Ms Magazine/Gloria Steinem DURHAM D Aug 2012 #24
durham... that is an excellent and fun article. should have its own thread. love it. seabeyond Aug 2012 #28
That editorial is hilarious. redqueen Aug 2012 #39
The good news is that once you pass menopause, the Cleita Aug 2012 #27
lol.... and out the ears? hey. embrace it. seabeyond Aug 2012 #29
Ha... redqueen Aug 2012 #35
Yes menopause does cure the problem Freddie Aug 2012 #38
Legs only from the knees down. MadrasT Aug 2012 #31
See I'm more comfortable not shaving redqueen Aug 2012 #34
back in the 70's, i was a member of a small feminist group. mopinko Aug 2012 #32
Right on. redqueen Aug 2012 #33
In my group, the only real screed against body hair came from a lesbian woman-- eridani Aug 2012 #46
I'm male, and I applaud you.... mike_c Aug 2012 #36
Thanks. :) redqueen Aug 2012 #40
Once in a while I will. ismnotwasm Aug 2012 #37
I just dislike the focus on appearance, no matter why. redqueen Aug 2012 #42
I'm shocked that the Pubic thread Texasgal Aug 2012 #41
Doesn't surprise me. redqueen Aug 2012 #43
I understand. Texasgal Aug 2012 #44
then i am weird with ya.... lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #48
Ditto.If the purpose of that thread was to discuss a health issue with removal--should be in Health hlthe2b Aug 2012 #50
I HAVE to do the armpits... sometimes I get a little lazy about legs in the winter time, but always hlthe2b Aug 2012 #49
I spend about a minute every 3 days or so shaving the legs. Hatchling Aug 2012 #52
shave what? TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #53
I just LOVE you Torch. Texasgal Aug 2012 #54

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. I read about a theory once...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:53 PM
Aug 2012

I can't remember where, that the 'beauty industry' really took off after the women's rights movement started growing and making significant gains.

It was an interesting piece. I'll have to try to find it again.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. no way in hell i am sharing my personal experience here on du, woman.....
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:49 PM
Aug 2012

just not gonna happen, lol.

i have boys growing up in this time. i get the argument from all the womens perspective at expectation, rejection, another hurdle and making it like a child/porn argument.

i think we put way too much energy into all this when reality, if a person is getting it and good, it is really not all consuming.

i feel for the kids. i know they are being influenced, pressured and expectation is shifting.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
3. FWIW, a lot of young men are feeling pressured to shave extensively, too.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:52 PM
Aug 2012

Too bad the trend didn't move in the other direction.

It's a boon for the razor blade manufacturers, however.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. yes they are. i threatened, ok begged, no really requested son grow his chest hair
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:56 PM
Aug 2012

just ONCE in his life so i could see what he would naturally be, lol. not to mention some other stuff i noticed with his body....

he told me ALL the athletes (guys) shave their chest hair. thinking back to their practices without shirts, he is not pulling my leg.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
9. Isn't it nuts? I used to be jealous of guys that they didn't have to worry about this.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:59 PM
Aug 2012

Now they're voluntarily putting themselves through this.

I don't get it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. i think hair on chest is yummy. i play with hubby's all the time. it is the porn.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

the hairless body. i totally believe that. oil slick the skin....

yes, i think it is nuts.

my son has the hairest of legs. very young, we can braid, lol. i had to work hard for him to be totally ok and not conscious of that. i mean.... so fuckin what, lol.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
45. For swimmers, hair reduces speed in the water
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:27 PM
Aug 2012

Cyclists shave their legs to make scrapes and cuts easier to deal with. Other than that, I really don't see the logic.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
47. we use to let the hair grow starting in sept and day before our biggest race we would have a leg
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:43 PM
Aug 2012

shaving party..... gender neutral. lol. we would also double or triple up on swimsuits to have the drag all season. when we went into the water shaved, wow.... felt fast regardless.

i dont see it either. it is this generations thing. i see there naked chest cause of sports. i do not know if it is the kids as a whole. i will check with son later tonight when he gets off work. i just know we have talked about it and his friends are on the team, for the most part.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
8. More and more, they are getting the same things we have been getting.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:57 PM
Aug 2012

Hence the rise in eating g disorders among boys and men, the increasing number of men getting plastic surgery, etc.

ellenfl

(8,660 posts)
5. as a woman who has spent most of a lifetime with hairy legs, i hated
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:53 PM
Aug 2012

having to shave. i even spent a year without shaving but the hair just did not look good with pantyhose. several years ago i got an emjoi hair plucker-outer. after a few sessions, my leg hair quit growing back. now i do nothing. i wish my underarms would get on the same page. plucking underarm hair hurts!

ellen fl

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
10. OMG, the pain...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:59 PM
Aug 2012

I tried one of those things on my leg once. Once.

No flipping way would I have done it enough times for lasting effects.

I don't wear hose either. I'll suck it up and conform for special occasions. Usually I just wear boots.

ellenfl

(8,660 posts)
51. the pain subsides with time. even the underarms. you just have to get used to it.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:48 AM
Aug 2012

i haven't worn hose in years, even in the snow. long skirts and slips work just fine.

ellen fl

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
11. FWIW - I am a male who has always been against interfering with nature
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:59 PM
Aug 2012

I think nature has done a great job making women quite alluring naturally.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
16. Thanks for chiming in!
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:02 PM
Aug 2012

I'm fortunate that my man likes my naturalness.

If I had been with someone who disagreed when I made this decision, it would have been bye bye time.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. ya... just read your post.....
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:26 PM
Aug 2012

in the other thread. you do not know mine, lol.

though i think you accused me of a double standard with the genders, though i really have not given much of an opinion.

i still stand by HUGE difference between a man and a boy.

Response to Scuba (Reply #21)

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
24. 1972 - Ms Magazine/Gloria Steinem
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:38 PM
Aug 2012

Anyone old enough to remember this?

http://luna-insight.smith.edu:8180/luna/servlet/detail/SOPHIA~29~3~1175~100323:Ms--Magazine,-July-72,-cover

Note upper right hand corner - Body Hair: The Last Frontier

So far I have not been able to find a copy of the article - just the cover. The article was almost as famous as this one -

If Men Could Menstruate

http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/steinem.menstruate.html

40 years; little change...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. durham... that is an excellent and fun article. should have its own thread. love it.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:56 PM
Aug 2012

thanks.

and i would be interested in that article. maybe tomorrow i will see if i can find it, but i am really bad with google. i get everything BUT what i am looking for.

thanks for the steinem article. excellent.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
39. That editorial is hilarious.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:38 PM
Aug 2012

And I have no doubt things would be much different, in just the type of ways she describes.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
27. The good news is that once you pass menopause, the
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:52 PM
Aug 2012

hair you used to shave, like armpits and legs falls out, so you don't need to exfoliate anymore. The bad news is your eyebrows pretty much fall out but you get new growth on your chin and above your lips. Well I take care of those growths with wax and my eyebrows are tattooed back on. It's great though not to have to shave the other body parts anymore.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
29. lol.... and out the ears? hey. embrace it.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:57 PM
Aug 2012

i guess. lol. cause i am sure not gonna fight it. seems women have to fight all the way thru. not gonna do it anymore.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
35. Ha...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:28 PM
Aug 2012

Yeah, I was surprised to see the comments in that thread about a shaved vulva looking like a post menopausal woman's. Learned something new!

Freddie

(9,265 posts)
38. Yes menopause does cure the problem
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:02 PM
Aug 2012

(I'm female, Freddie is a cat)
Haven't gotten the mustache/chin hair yet (my Mom does so it will happen eventually) but legs are no longer a problem. I find myself having to pluck eyebrows more than before but I can live with that.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
31. Legs only from the knees down.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:11 PM
Aug 2012

Every 3rd day (basically whenever the itching makes me nuts).

It is so light you can't really see it anyway, it's a comfort thing.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
34. See I'm more comfortable not shaving
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:24 PM
Aug 2012

Can't stand stubble.

Heh, well not on me. I like my man's stubbly face... but I'd like his face no matter what.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
32. back in the 70's, i was a member of a small feminist group.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:17 PM
Aug 2012

one day someone called our contact person and asked how radical the group was. she said, "well, i think we all shave, but we are still pretty progressive."
half the membership never shaved anything from that day forward, me included. i was poor. i didn't need that shit. i didn't need a guy that couldn't see past a little hair.
a few years later, i started to wear a buzzcut. i cut my own hair with a clipper.
no nonsense.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
46. In my group, the only real screed against body hair came from a lesbian woman--
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
Aug 2012

--who was what people would now call a "lipstick lesbian." She identified any body hair with maleness, which she despised esthetically in herself and in other women. She was willing to cut men some slack because they were born that way, and anyhow wasn't interested in them erotically.

Needless to say all of us hippie earth mother types didn't appreciate hearing that. I quit shaving at that point, although post-menopause I eliminate the "grandmothers' moustache" every now and then. I have to wear support hose, which don't really look any better than hair. Not that I gave a flying fuck, even when younger.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
36. I'm male, and I applaud you....
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:32 PM
Aug 2012

'Course I stopped scrapping even those "few square inches" years ago, too. And the last time I cut my hair I think Reagan was president. Life's too short to worry about that sort of thing. I know some people genuinely feel better about themselves when they conform to others' standards of grooming-- that's fine, and more power to 'em. Me, I rather like my body in it's original wrapper. Glad to hear that works for you, too!

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
40. Thanks. :)
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:43 PM
Aug 2012

And yeah if someone actually enjoys all that stuff then more power to 'em. It was always an unwanted process for me. Fortunately for me not cutting the hair on my head was less of an issue, though I did get hassled to 'do something' with it.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
37. Once in a while I will.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
Aug 2012

It's a tough social imperative to overcome. But, I'm at peace with my body for the most part, so I don't shave too often. Only if a social situation arises in the summer. Or if I feel like it for some impulsive reason.
One of the problems I have with the rejection of body hair aside from the historical sexism is more and more beauty standards go for a prepubescent look. I find that frightening.

I suppose, if all things were equal, I get the aesthetic of a smooth body, in terms of highlighting the appearance of shape and skin as well as feel, but I don't get trying to obtain the smooth, water-rich look of a 10 year old. (only with breasts)

The societal demand of smooth skin has long been known as a way to infantilize grown women, but I don't like the increased trend of total hairlessness (except for the head) combined with the oversexualzation of young girls--It completely creeps me out.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
42. I just dislike the focus on appearance, no matter why.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:50 PM
Aug 2012

Fetishizing superficial features just seems wrong to me. Pointless, and just a distraction from what matters.

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
41. I'm shocked that the Pubic thread
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:43 PM
Aug 2012

has 439 posts considering what we have going right now, a presidential election with a GOP POS running mate in the mix. In GD..of all places?

The crap posts on that thread has me wondering too. WTF?? Nasty? Disgusting?

In all seriousness who CARES if you shave or not? That is my own personal issue and I am just weirded out that so many people want to talk about it! ON DU no less. Weird to me.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
43. Doesn't surprise me.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:53 PM
Aug 2012

There is so much talk about the electuon. People of course want a break. With the Olympics over, something was bound to serve as the next distraction. Tomorrow it will be something else. Probably a few somethings... different things for different people. This topic just seemed to be one that a lot of people wanted to discuss. C'est la vie.

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
44. I understand.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:03 PM
Aug 2012

Just seems weird that pubic hair and the shave or not to shave topic has gained so much traction. maybe I am just weird.

hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
50. Ditto.If the purpose of that thread was to discuss a health issue with removal--should be in Health
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:20 AM
Aug 2012

group/forum. I'm annoyed it has become the weekly obsession on GD--literally days after the RETHUGS tapped Ryan. This is a political forum, after all.

hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
49. I HAVE to do the armpits... sometimes I get a little lazy about legs in the winter time, but always
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:18 AM
Aug 2012

the "pits".... For all the arguments about the evolutionary benefits of hair, I could never imagine a reason for armpit hair, which soaks up sweat, bacteria and devours my antiperspirant like an addicted junkie grabs onto crack.

As far as the "nether regions", some things REALLY ought to remain private, IMO. Not going there, but to each his/her own.

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
52. I spend about a minute every 3 days or so shaving the legs.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:58 AM
Aug 2012

Due to my American Indian heritage I have minimal body hair to begin with (although my Irish heritage dominates the rest of my appearance). With menopause the little under arm hair I had gave up the ghost. I had decided in the 70's that I would let my body hair alone, but it grew in so patchy and long it looked awful. Plus I do like the smooth feel.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
53. shave what?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:34 PM
Aug 2012

I shave my pits, legs and nether regions though I often go lax on doing the legs because it's so much area to cover, and in the winter I don't get enough hot water to do everything in the shower I want to be doing... and often I just don't feel like shaving my leg hair whatever the season. I don't even think about what anyone thinks about my long dark leg hairs when I get lazy about shaving them.

I've always shaved my nether regions. When it first started growing in I plucked them out with tweezers until I couldn't keep up with it (and it bloody hurt!). It didn't occur to me then to shave it then until my older sister (who has never shaved anything "down there&quot advised using a razor. I don't like it, and it has nothing to do with porn or society. Women didn't shave their nether regions back then, and I didn't know anything about porn.

For me it's much more comfortable shaven. Heredity in our family is long thick profusion of dark nether region hair that climbs and twines like ivy into areas most people don't have it. Mine would get stuck in the elastic of my panties, which hurt when yanked on, itched like mad with the slightest moisture of perspiration (and I was very athletic, so this was a normal daily condition for me if not being in a running splattering sweat), and the worst was getting caked dried menses gluing the hairs together on either "side" so that spreading the legs just to step over the bathtub rim yanked out hairs which was excruciating. Back then girls my age didn't use tampons, but after several periods in a row using pads and having this happen several times each month so that I had to shimmy into the bathtub and soak the hairs to separate them I got more vigorous with shaving and started using tampons.

Just like with men shaving their faces, keeping up with shaving the nether regions doesn't cause itchiness, redness, etc. at all, and for a lot of us it's the shaving that gets RID of itchiness and redness that is CAUSED by the hair being there. One of my brothers is an avid runner, and finally started shaving his chest because, like me, the slightest bit of perspiration on his chest caused ghastly itching. Many of my male athletic friends that have chest hair do the same for the same reason though they mostly preferred having the hair because they claimed women liked it (and I confess there were a couple who had the most perfect chest hair that's really attractive to me, so I was hugely bummed they shaved it off).

Just like with facial hair and head hair everyone has their preference with nether region hair now that society permits that people do what they like with their nether region hair. I think it's ridiculous to make any assumptions of why anyone shaves any part of their body or why they don't, and I'm astounded that anyone would judge someone for what they do or don't do with their nether region hair just as I would be if they were judgmental about what they did or didn't do with their head or facial hair... or their leg hair, armpit hair, chest hair, back hair, butt hair or any other body hair. And I'm glad that society now permits men to shave their chest hair off if it bothers them without being judged as being gay (as if that's something that's bad anyway!).


Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
54. I just LOVE you Torch.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:47 PM
Aug 2012

Seriously, your posts bring me so much JOY!!! Please... don't be stranger. I really dig you and your posts!

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