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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 04:15 AM Dec 2013

Hikikimori

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikimori

I stumbled upon this phenomenon some years back looking for support and help vis-à-vis living as a shut-in. Over the past decade of my life I've spent a combined total of 2 years or more living as a near shut-in at different times, depending on my parents. I suspect a combination of severe depression, social anxiety, self esteem and other related issues are to blame in my case. At first I could find little support. There were plenty of resources for depression anxiety and the like but very little related specifically to the phenomenon of having cut one's self off from society. The concept of a shut-in in western culture comes closest but it also encompasses many other forms of disability that would lead someone to isolate themselves.

Then I happened to stumble across an interesting Japanese phenomenon called Hikkimori.

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The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare defines hikikomori as people who refuse to leave their house and, thus, isolate themselves from society in their homes for a period exceeding six months.[1] The psychiatrist Tamaki Saitō defines hikikomori as "A state that has become a problem by the late twenties, that involves cooping oneself up in one’s own home and not participating in society for six months or longer
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While the degree of the phenomenon varies on an individual basis, in the most extreme cases, some people remain in isolation for years or even decades. Often hikikomori start out as school refusals, or futōkō
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It seems that the unique mix of Japanese cultural traits, coupled with the decades long economic freeze in Japan lead to the problem being particularly prevalent in this country and to it's subsequent labelling and study.

It's my opinion though after having communicated with a large number of people on different mental health forums, though especially those dedicated to social anxiety, that this is a phenomenon that is far from limited to Japan. It may be most prevalent there but I've talked to people from the US, Australia, the UK, and elsewhere who have told me of their stories of self isolation, sometimes for years, relying on their parents or other relatives. I've talked to a couple in their 40s who have hardly left their house in the past decade. And most of these people did not have agoraphobia or some other similar diagnosis we tend to associate with this kind of thing in the west. Usually they had intense social phobias, depression and similar issues.

I'm not sure if bringing light to the issue outside of Japan and studying it would be beneficial or not. I can tell you though that for my own struggles and peace of mind what I have learned has helped me a lot!
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Hikikimori (Original Post) Locut0s Dec 2013 OP
Of course, it's not limited to Japan ThingsGottaChange Dec 2013 #1
I am very lucky that my current roommate is willing to do as much as he is. moriah Jan 2014 #2
I was also very lucky for a few years ThingsGottaChange Jan 2014 #3
I'm currently on Celexa, Abilify, Trazodone, and Prasozin. moriah Jan 2014 #4

ThingsGottaChange

(1,200 posts)
1. Of course, it's not limited to Japan
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 12:14 PM
Dec 2013

I'm not sure I agree with your calling yourself a shut-in. Guess I have a different definition in my head of what that term means. But, imagine being a 'shut-in' without friends, parents, relatives to rely on. I'm certainly not making light of your situation in any way. Trying to give you a bigger picture of how it is for many people. When no one else is going to get that food, or whatever, for you, imagine the anxiety of knowing you MUST get out there at some point and do it yourself. This is just the perspective of someone who has major depression and severe social anxiety but, must deal with every day life alone. I hope you can at least enjoy the holidays. I don't pay any attention to them anymore.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
2. I am very lucky that my current roommate is willing to do as much as he is.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jan 2014

I'm pretty desperate to find money, as I have to have a cell phone at the very least... I found that there are a ton of secret shopper jobs, that would pay enough if I did enough of them to even pay my car payment. But even though I registered for the site, I can't bring myself to register for a single one, even though one would just be going to pretend that I was in the market for a new car at a dealership. There are 6 like that in my area, if I did those alone it'd pay for my phone and some to go for food or my car payment or car insurance. Just. Six. Outings.

And I don't think I can do it. Nor is it really fair to ask people to go with me. Yes, my roommate does all the shopping for us. He tries to make me go with him so that I will get out of the house. When I'm with my boyfriend, he likes to go shopping too. Just accompanying him for those activities is extremely stressful. By myself....

I'm so sorry hon.

ThingsGottaChange

(1,200 posts)
3. I was also very lucky for a few years
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

with my last boyfriend. He understood the anxiety and did the shopping. But, that ended just over a month ago and I am living alone again. I am fortunate that I got Disability very quickly. With my last job, I had to take a couple disability leaves and then just couldn't face going back. I didn't care if I lived under a bridge as long as I didn't have to deal with a workplace and people again.

Are you eligible for any assistance? Disability? Have you applied for anything? Have you tried any antidepressants? I truly hope things get better for you.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
4. I'm currently on Celexa, Abilify, Trazodone, and Prasozin.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

I have an appointment tomorrow with a psychiatrist to see if she wants to change things up or not -- the current regimen is keeping me out of the hospital, but that's about it. Yet, I'm terrified of stronger antidepressants because of my bipolar diagnosis without some kind of mood stabilizer. I'll take them if she prescribes it, I'm just terrified of another manic episode like I had 10 years ago. It landed me in the hospital psychotic. Not something I want to experience again...

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