New rifle mimics machine gun's rapid fire -- and it's legal

[villager]

Slide Fire, based in Moran, Texas, plans to sell a semiautomatic rifle that mimics the rapid fire of a machine gun and is also fed bullets from a belt, which provides a huge capacity for ammunition -- potentially thousands of rounds.

Brandon Renner, sales and marketing manager for Slide Fire, says the belt-fed rifle, called the SFS BFR, will be available this fall and sell for $6,000.

"It sprays like a fire hose," said Renner. "We recommend no more than 30 rounds on the belt, but one person could make it as big as they want."

Can that be legal?

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says yes, since it's still technically a semiautomatic.

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http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/12/news/companies/slide-fire-gun/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

[billh58]

1. NRA gun nuts

are already drooling. "Here, hold my beer and watch this..."

On a more serious note, the next school shooting resulting in mass deaths just became much easier to accomplish.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. Does it have any real purpose other than to kill people?

[billh58]

3. It should be a big

asset to drug dealers and organized crime after the gun nuts get tired of paying for all that wasted ammo and sell them over the Internet. After all, straw purchases and Internet "back-door" sales are how the NRA's sponsors make a lot of money, and the benefits are a win-win: no taxes for the seller, and no background check for the buyer.

"80 percent of criminal inmates in a Department of Justice survey said they got their guns through private means – no background check necessary."

http://americansforresponsiblesolutions.org/solutions/criminal-background-checks/

The demand from criminals and others who can't pass a background check would seem to make profits from the death and injury of Americans the "real purpose" of the manufacture and marketing this very lethal weapon. I am certain that this manufacturer (AKA "arms dealer&quot is fully aware of the very profitable shadow market for their products, as are all gun manufacturers AND the right-wing, Koch Brothers'/ALEC-supported NRA.

[villager]

4. Of course not. But that's the unspoken subtext you're supposed to never speak about

...lest it enrage the gun-worshippers.

[flamin lib]

5. The same thing can be done with a rubber band and any AR-15.

It's legal because the trigger must be re-set before the next shot can be fired. I've done it just to see if the inter webs videos are real.

It works because the shooter pulls the rifle forward instead of pulling the trigger rearward.
as soon as the recoil pushes the gun rearward (away from the trigger finger) the trigger re-sets and the gun is pulled forward again tripping the trigger. It's a delicate balance between pressure forward on the gun and holding the trigger finger still so the gun can bounce back and forth.

While it can burn a lot of ammo very quickly and it burns out the barrel it isn't very functional because in any tense situation, say killing elementary children, it's hard to maintain that balance.

The big "innovation" here is the belt feed. Ammo is only limited by the ability to carry the weight and there is no need to take 2 seconds to replace the magazine.

The only solution is to follow California's lead and ban the sale of semi auto weapons with removeable magazines.

As a federal firearms licencee (collector) I've come to this conclusion; there is no reason for civilians to possess such weaponry. Having reached thar conclusion I had my semi auto guns destroyed as per BATF&E insrtuctions.

[Hoyt]

7. Excellent post and viewpoint.

[Paladin]

6. They won't be able to keep up with the demand for them.

Further evidence (as if any was needed) of the deterioration of the gun culture in this country.

[Ghost in the Machine]

8. Yeah, I'm sure that at SIX GRAND each, muggers and petty thieves will be lining up to buy them...n/t

[Paladin]

9. Muggers and petty thieves aren't part of the initial target market.

But you knew that already, now didn't you?

Muggers and petty thieves will be glad to subsequently steal these firearms and get them circulating in the gigantic national gun pool, for sale at a significantly reduced cost. That way, a deranged person who, let's just say, wants to shoot up a military facility, will have an easy time acquiring one of these oh-so-charming shooting irons. But I bet you knew all of that as well, didn't you?

If I'm crediting you with too much cognitive ability, feel free to keep it to yourself......

[Ghost in the Machine]

10. Anyone who has six grand to blow on a rifle will 99.9% of the time have that weapon locked away

in a gun safe that is hidden in a wall, or bolted down to floor so it *can't* be stolen because they are virtually impossible to break in to. Chances are that they are collectors, have other guns worth near as much, if not more, live in affluent neighborhoods and even have alarm systems installed in their homes. But you already know that, don't you?

Hell, my most expensive gun is only worth around $900, then there's my deer rifle & my sons deer rifle, about $350/ea, two .22 rifles, about $125/ea and a single barrel 12 ga., about $69.99 when I bought it new about 18 years ago. They are hidden away in a safe, which is bolted from the inside to two steel reinforced walls, and six bolts through the concrete and steel reinforced floor. The way it is standing also doesn't allow for a crowbar or anything else can be used as leverage to try to pry it open. I designed and custom built the spot it is in. Are YOU capable of such an endeavor?

I *KNOW* I'm not crediting you with too much by telling you that you sound like a know-it-all jackass who thinks he sounds important, but in reality doesn't know a damned thing about that of which he speaks.

In case YOUR "cognitive abilities" where overwhelmed, let me make it simple: Sit down, close your pompous hole, and don't EVER fucking tell me when, or when not, to speak. Understand, amigo??

Ghost

[Paladin]

11. Flattery will get you nowhere. Thanks for the entertainment. (nt)

[billh58]

15. All of that

anger, AND a gun. You sure can pick 'em...

[Paladin]

16. Yeah, but you gotta admit, that's a helluva gun safe he's talking about. (nt)

[jimmy the one]

12. unholy ghost

Ghost: I *KNOW* I'm not crediting you with too much by telling you that you sound like a know-it-all jackass who thinks he sounds important, but in reality doesn't know a damned thing about that of which he speaks. In case YOUR "cognitive abilities" where overwhelmed, let me make it simple: Sit down, close your pompous hole, and don't EVER fucking tell me when, or when not, to speak. Understand, amigo?? Ghost

Ghost, about to become, a ghost on here.

ghost: Anyone who has six grand to blow on a rifle will 99.9% of the time have that weapon locked away in a gun safe that is hidden in a wall, or bolted down to floor so it *can't* be stolen because they are virtually impossible to break in to. Chances are that they are collectors, have other guns worth near as much, if not more, live in affluent neighborhoods and even have alarm systems installed in their homes. But you already know that, don't you?

Baloney, some will keep it above the fireplace mantel or perhaps on a pedestal in the living room, ha. Miss this part, little big man?: Slide Fire already sells bump-stocks for $370 that speed up the rate of fire for semiautomatics. The company also sells semiautomatic rifles that have already been accessorized for bump-fire, costing between $1,150 to $1,950. But these guns use magazines, not belts, and thus have limited ammo capacity... Hill, who referred to the Slide Fire products as "a poor man's machine gun,"..

ghost giving show & tell: Hell, my most expensive gun is only worth around $900, then there's my deer rifle & my sons deer rifle, about $350/ea, two .22 rifles, about $125/ea and a single barrel 12 ga., about $69.99 when I bought it new about 18 years ago. They are hidden away in a safe, which is bolted from the inside to two steel reinforced walls, and six bolts through the concrete and steel reinforced floor.

It's not about you.
Did you ever post on a website 'Guns dot com'? A gitm was reg'd there, gunnut. Bet there's a ghost in the slide fire machines.

[Ghost in the Machine]

13. Poor little jimmy the one. Is that a God Complex,"the one"? Do you think you're the Chosen One or

something?? We can tell you think you're already a prophet, or psychic. Here's proof:

Ghost, about to become, a ghost on here.

You haven't even been here a year, and you think you own the place? Is that the "Chosen One" complex/delusion kicking in again? Like I've told many other noobs in your shoes: I've been here a hell of a lot longer than you have, and I'll be here long after you're gone. It's easy to spot the disruptors... maybe that's why 80% of your posts in the past 90 days have been in the gungeon?

Next, you try to double down on your psychic abilities:

Baloney, some will keep it above the fireplace mantel or perhaps on a pedestal in the living room, ha.

And just WTF is *this* shit?:

Miss this part, little big man?:

Are you trying to overcompensate for something? Is it easy hiding behind a keyboard trying to look like a tough guy? I picture you looking something like Howard Wolowitz from The Big Bang Theory, lol.

You also seem to have trouble staying on topic, which isn't good for a real discussion:

Slide Fire already sells bump-stocks for $370 that speed up the rate of fire for semiautomatics. The company also sells semiautomatic rifles that have already been accessorized for bump-fire, costing between $1,150 to $1,950. But these guns use magazines, not belts, and thus have limited ammo capacity... Hill, who referred to the Slide Fire products as "a poor man's machine gun,"..

I responded to the OP, which was about a $6,000 belt-fed rifle, nothing more, nothing less. As for your reading comprehension skills, you *did* notice that it's only a stock for $370, right? I didn't bother looking at what else the company sells, because it seemed that the OP wanted to draw attention to these $6,000 belt-fed guns. As far as being a "poor man's machine gun", I know plenty of poor people who would spend that $1,200 to $2,000 ( $1,150 - $1,950 plus tax, on a used vehicle, or to fix the one they already have, before they would purchase one of these weapons. What does this tell us?? It tells us that MY idea of a "poor man" greatly differs from yours, or this gun companys.

You double down on your reading comprehension again right here:

ghost giving show & tell: Hell, my most expensive gun is only worth around $900, then there's my deer rifle & my sons deer rifle, about $350/ea, two .22 rifles, about $125/ea and a single barrel 12 ga., about $69.99 when I bought it new about 18 years ago. They are hidden away in a safe, which is bolted from the inside to two steel reinforced walls, and six bolts through the concrete and steel reinforced floor.

It's not about you.

Yeah, I guess you *could* call that "show and tell", since I was actually showing the way a responsible gun owner keeps their weapons locked up and safe, but anyone reading this *KNOWS* that isn't how YOU intended it.

Then you try another slam?? How LAME!

Did you ever post on a website 'Guns dot com'? A gitm was reg'd there, gunnut. Bet there's a ghost in the slide fire machines.

No, I've never posted on guns dot com, so how about you provide a link? Speaking of gunnuts, it seems you're the one familiar with all the gun sites, and even remember names. Now you better hurry up and go make up a profile using my name at slide fire, or whatever it is.

I don't have any more time for your stupd games, so don't bother responding.. unless you like wasting your time.. because I'll just ignore you like I did the clown above you, but you'll think you got the last word in and scared me off. LMMFAO!

Oh... one more thing before I'm done with you: How often do you quote REPUBLICAN Chief Justices who were appointed by a resigned in disgrace REPUBLICAN President*?? Tells me all I need to know about you

Ghost

[jimmy the one]

14. learning curve for ghost

ghost: Poor little jimmy the one. Is that a God Complex,"the one"? Do you think you're the Chosen One or something?? We can tell you think you're already a prophet, or psychic. Here's proof:

not that I ever was when I was in the navy, just a noncomm: JIMMY .. JIMMY-THE-ONE .. Naval nickname for the First Lieutenant of a ship. In the early days he was referred to as the "First Luff". Usually nowadays abbreviated to JIMMY and known as NUMBER ONE.

Learn somethin' new every day dontcha ghost?

ghost: I responded to the OP, which was about a $6,000 belt-fed rifle, nothing more...

No you didn't, you replied to paladin. (learning, learning)

ghost 1:Anyone who has six grand to blow on a rifle will 99.9% of the time have that weapon locked away in a gun safe that is hidden in a wall, or bolted down to floor so it *can't* be stolen because they are virtually impossible to break in to.
ghost 2: Next, you try to double down on your psychic abilities: "Baloney, some will keep it above the fireplace mantel or perhaps on a pedestal in the living room, ha."

Wasn't psychic, just a more reasoned approach to your gibberished baloney. 99.9% ghost? really ghost? 999 out of 1000 owners will do that? you're nuts. I bet half them owners will have it home displayed with at most a chain lock or trigger lock looped under the trigger, or in a showcase cabinet. Tho some surely will, you're absolutely nuts to think 99.9% will have a $6,000 rifle locked away in a hidden or bolted gun safe. They leave $30,000 cars parked in shopping center parking lots & there's such a thing as theft insurance. Learn something new every day - twice in one day!