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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:54 AM Apr 2015

What Elizabeth Warren Has That Hillary Clinton Needs

What Elizabeth Warren Has That Hillary Clinton Needs
4/17/2015



"Rules are not the enemy of markets,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren told me yesterday, on the heels of her major address on the unfinished business of financial reform at the Levy Institute’s Hyman Minsky Conference. “Rules promote innovation and competition. Rules prevent markets from blowing up.

We learned that in 1929 and we should have learned it again in 2008.”


That comment captures what distinguishes Warren from so many of her congressional and political colleagues. Any lawmaker can create a laundry list, and in her Minsky speech Warren did some of that, presenting specific steps needed to bolster financial regulation, which in its current state still puts the country at risk.

But Warren has garnered attention because she actually has a worldview for how to best structure the economy, one which has become impossible for any Democrat, even the former Secretary of State winding through our nation’s Chipotles, to ignore.

Warren’s governing philosophy can be boiled down to one simple sentiment: Actions must have consequences. The way to build functioning markets is to lay out ground rules and actually hold market participants accountable to them. That allows everyone in a market the same set of chances to succeed if they can attract enough customers. “This is about building competitive capitalism instead of crony capitalism,” Warren told me.

... In other words, Warren’s agenda isn’t the result of some narrowly focused monomania about financial institutions. It’s about making the economy work, in a way that it hasn’t for the past 40 years. And it’s rooted in this principle that rules are necessary for healthy markets.

...The simplicity of this framework, along with its universal grounding in firmly held values, has made it difficult to characterize as wild-eyed liberal screeds, no matter how hard industry mouthpieces try...

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2015/04/17/What-Elizabeth-Warren-Has-Hillary-Clinton-Needs


Editing to add a reminder of how we got to where we are now in our party, and the country...

The Democratic Party became a liberal party largely through the "New Deal" policies of Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the Great Depression. Before FDR, "laissez-faire" or "free-market" policies were the only policies acceptable to America's ruling elites. FDR's New Deal policies used government spending power to create jobs for the masses of unemployed, and used payroll taxes to provide retirement security through Social Security. FDR also created regulatory agencies like the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to avoid another financial crisis.

FDR's liberal policies were supported by Democratic and Republican administrations until Ronald Reagan began a conservative counterattack against FDR's policies in 1981.

After 8 years of Reaganism, conservative Democrats began embracing the Reaganite assault on liberalism, and called themselves "New Democrats" to distinguish themselves from traditional FDR-inspired liberals.


These "New Democrats" drew support from large corporations that wanted a return to "laissez-faire" policies to get out from under regulations.

http://www.democrats.com/new-democrats


May Warren help bring us back to being FDR Dems once again (along with many others like Mayor de Blasio & Sen Sherrod Brown!!)
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What Elizabeth Warren Has That Hillary Clinton Needs (Original Post) RiverLover Apr 2015 OP
Massive K&R..... daleanime Apr 2015 #1
Principles? Scuba Apr 2015 #2
Beat me to it. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #13
There was a poster here who said, and I quote, F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #21
What Elizabeth Warren Has That Hillary Clinton Needs AlbertCat Apr 2015 #3
You are what you are no matter what you say ...Hillary! L0oniX Apr 2015 #4
Fiscal Times...Just FYI... Triana Apr 2015 #5
The author is a solid progressive political journalist who writes for Salon, Huffpo and others. RiverLover Apr 2015 #15
Thanks! peacebird Apr 2015 #28
Are there any of our news sources not tainted by connections to big money? zeemike Apr 2015 #19
Great post. Especially the last part. Too many of our Democratic legislators are still playing jwirr Apr 2015 #6
Do you have any idea how she relates to Bill de Blasio's new progressive strategy? brooklynite Apr 2015 #7
I'd say they're perfectly aligned. RiverLover Apr 2015 #10
No doubt. Would LOVE BdB to run against Hillary if Elizabeth ultimately decides not to. He would win easily. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #14
That would be incredible. RiverLover Apr 2015 #16
The Unfinished Business of Financial Reform - Elizabeth Warren 4/15/15 (Full Text) mobeau69 Apr 2015 #8
Big thanks, mobeau69! RiverLover Apr 2015 #11
Video here PADemD Apr 2015 #12
Thanks! RiverLover Apr 2015 #17
K & R, hugely !!!!!!!!!! Thespian2 Apr 2015 #9
The thing that makes me most leary of Hiliary . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #18
Why would you be leery of Hillary because of her "backers"? RiverLover Apr 2015 #20
If you are talking about Hillary, it isn't guilt by association or me. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #25
kick Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #22
Ethical standards. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #23
O'Malley-Warren can balance America back to normal. Hillary & Gensler will destroy it. josmarten Apr 2015 #24
Thanks for all the info. RiverLover Apr 2015 #27
+1000 orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #26
K&R! peacebird Apr 2015 #29
Liz has a lot that Hillary needs. Autumn Apr 2015 #30
Plez cross post in GD. Help keep it from becoming the second HRC Group. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #31
I would but I have a lot going on with work right now RiverLover Apr 2015 #32
I understand. Agree that the ship probably has sailed. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #33

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
21. There was a poster here who said, and I quote,
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 05:00 PM
Apr 2015
You are not helping that one bit by working against our winning with your f...ng principles!
 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
5. Fiscal Times...Just FYI...
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 09:28 AM
Apr 2015

Fiscal Times is backed by a wealthy philanthropist, investment banker and U.S. commerce secretary Peter G. Peterson (of "Fix the Debt" fame which despises Social Security and seeks to gut/cut/privatize it as a way to "fix" the debt).

It is staffed by established journalists, including former Post political writer and editor Eric Pianin; and it claims to run an independent, nonpartisan, non-ideological newsroom. . . . The main difference is that the Fiscal Times is run by a privately held company controlled by Peterson and his son Michael.

On Dec. 31, the Washington Post ran its first story from the Fiscal Times, a newsy report that support was building on Capitol Hill for a bipartisan commission to tackle the nation’s chronic deficits and mounting debts. As it happens, this is Peterson’s pet issue and the focus of the Peterson Foundation.

Peterson is the asshole who intends to "Fix the Debt" by scraping off of seniors - gutting and/or privatizing Social Security and Medicare.

I don't disagree with what's written in the OP from Fiscal Times about Warren, but I do want DUers to be aware of the Fiscal Times' funding and who runs it.


RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
15. The author is a solid progressive political journalist who writes for Salon, Huffpo and others.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:49 AM
Apr 2015

Just so people on DU know.

Some of his other articles~

Wall Street’s favorite myth just got busted: The rise of “shadow banking” and the fall of GE Capital
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/14/wall_streets_favorite_myth_just_got_busted_the_rise_of_shadow_banking_and_the_fall_of_ge_capital/

Barney Frank drops a bombshell: How a shocking anecdote explains the financial crisis
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/31/barney_frank_drops_a_bombshell_how_a_shocking_anecdote_explains_the_financial_crisis/

Congress’ Medicare ‘Fix’ Could Leave Seniors Paying More
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2015/03/20/Congress-Medicare-Fix-Could-Leave-Seniors-Paying-More

The Corporate Giveaway Hidden in Your Credit Card Contract
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2015/03/13/Corporate-Giveaway-Hidden-Your-Credit-Card-Contract

The Government Is Finally Cracking Down on Legal Loan Sharks
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2015/03/27/Government-Finally-Cracking-Down-Legal-Loan-Sharks





zeemike

(18,998 posts)
19. Are there any of our news sources not tainted by connections to big money?
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 11:03 AM
Apr 2015

That is the problem with a profoundly wealthy class of people, their tentacles reach into all aspects of our life.
At one point in our history we realized it...well actually the founding fathers warned us about it...and regulations were made to limit the problem, but that all changed with Reagan and deregulation and they eventually eliminated those impediments to control by the PTB and here we are today.

I don't trust sources I trust my instincts and the facts...and they tell me this is the truth, or at least part of the truth...and I take everything with a grain of salt.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
6. Great post. Especially the last part. Too many of our Democratic legislators are still playing
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 09:44 AM
Apr 2015

trickle down so when an economic issue comes up they jump the fence and head out to play with the Rs. Too many of President Obama's economic advisers are also doing that. This is why he is in favor of the TPP.

Trickle down failed - in 1929 and in 2008. And it will continue to fail us if we do not wise up.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
14. No doubt. Would LOVE BdB to run against Hillary if Elizabeth ultimately decides not to. He would win easily.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:48 AM
Apr 2015

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
11. Big thanks, mobeau69!
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:33 AM
Apr 2015

She is just so logical & decent & the speech is excellent. So good to read about the successes of the CFPB too.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
17. Thanks!
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:54 AM
Apr 2015

Its hard, listening to her, to not be absolutely astounded by the atrocities the banks get away with, right under our noses, & with consent from our govt.





 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
18. The thing that makes me most leary of Hiliary . .
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:56 AM
Apr 2015

is how readily her backers go for the cheap shot.

Guilt by association? Really?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
20. Why would you be leery of Hillary because of her "backers"?
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 11:41 AM
Apr 2015

She has done enough on her own to be leery of her. Guilt by guilt. Ie, War hawk, Wall Street darlin, BigAg & Big Oil backer.

(There's plenty of posts on these points if you do a search here at DU)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. If you are talking about Hillary, it isn't guilt by association or me.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:09 AM
Apr 2015

I do not trust Hillary's ability to deal with people who disagree with her, her ability to control her temper or her ability to listen and learn and change her mind and investigate when confronted with new information. I don't think she is very careful in reaching decisions. Specifically, she was warned by Code Pink not to vote for the Iraq War and she brusquely and peevishly and rudely ignored the warnings. Her conduct in the following video reminds me a bit of John McCain's behavior. She is beter than he is, but . . . .



Obama is really cool when confronted with what he considers to be hecklers or people with opinions or experience different from his own. He does not just dismiss them or their ideas. That's what we need in a president.

Hillary does not have that kind of temperament. Bernie Sanders does. And Elizabeth Warren although very passionate also does. She genuinely listens to the opinions and ideas of others. She has a hotter temper than Bernie does, but her temper arises when she sees injustice, not when someone disagrees with her mindset or opinions.

It is not a matter of guilt by association in my view. It is a matter of choosing the best candidate, one who will best serve the country.

In my view, Hillary has two good traits. First she speaks strongly on the rights of women and children. And second, I think she is not afraid of bullies. Those are her two good traits. But she just does not have the cool judgment that I want my president to have. There are lots of other reasons that I don't want her in the White House.

Hillary has a lot of baggage because of the mistakes Bill made as president. And the two of them are Third Way Democrats, meaning that they think it is positive to rely on corporate money, advocate for corporate policies and interests and then accept the kinds of speaking engagements and for their charity donations that do have the appearance if not the reality of corruption.

josmarten

(4 posts)
24. O'Malley-Warren can balance America back to normal. Hillary & Gensler will destroy it.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 03:41 PM
Apr 2015

Now that Hillary just hired Gary Gensler as top campaign donations manager, we know Hedge Funds,Private Equity, Investment Bankers & Goldman Sachs clients are going to be knocking on Hillary's door.
1 ) Gensler with Rubin and Summers in 1999 at the US Treasury convinced Pr.Clinton & Congress to end the "Glass-Steagall Act" .
2 ) Gensler used his own private e-mail account at Treasury to deal with issues related to MF Global and Jon Corzine because of their friendship. Regulators asked him to step aside but he refused.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/us/politics/hillary-clinton-hiring-gary-gensler-is-called-signal-to-possible-donors.html
3 ) At Goldman Sachs he secured for the Tax Exempt NFL 1 of the biggest contracts ever with the TV Networks. His swap regulation for Pr.Obama was weak since not 1 " speculator-shorter-scammer " from the 2008 Financial Crisis got indicted, not 1.
4 ) Gensler is a signal for Goldman Sachs, Soros, Mezvinsky Hedge Funds,W.Clark Military Contractors,etc. to start pumping Speculators money into Hillary's campaign.
5) Hillary will never try to stop Money Managers from abusing most US Cities Pensions like this : http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/nyregion/wall-street-fees-wipe-out-2-5-billion-in-new-york-city-pension-gains.html
America must change Washington D.C. w/ Warren + O'Malley , etc. or this great country is done. 1 more stupid Middle East Ground War, what most GOP candidates push for , and the US Debt goes up to $ 21-23 trillion and its over.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
27. Thanks for all the info.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:31 AM
Apr 2015

I wish this is the type of background info we'd see on the evening news. But that will never happen.

Gensler's background as chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission & drafting the Dodd-Frank act is being played up, as intended, in msm as making him a "wall street cop". !ha!

He made certain Frank-Dodd wasn't another Glass-Steagall. And he didn't make partner at Goldman Sachs by age 30 by being a man for regulation of the industry.

We are being played. Its an attempt anyways. She's really trying to win us over...

Hillary Clinton courts liberals in N.H.
Seeks to combat criticism of ties to Wall Street


4/21/15

...The language and ideas are designed to shore up the left-leaning wing of the party that has shown little enthusiasm for her candidacy.

Despite Clinton’s huge advantages in name recognition, organization, and fund-raising, a crucial challenge for her as she enters the race for the Democratic nomination is convincing liberal activists — including Warren’s ardent fans — that she is prepared to challenge big banks and shares a commitment to closing America’s yawning income gap.

“The majority of Americans understand that of course the deck is stacked,” said Sanders, the socialist independent who is mulling a challenge of Clinton in the Democratic primary. “You have to get beyond rhetoric and generalities.”

Sanders wants Clinton to take a clear stand on a set of issues, including building the Keystone XL pipeline; a possible trans-Pacific trade pact; and breaking up some of the largest financial institutions.

“Some of us have been talking about these issues for years,” he said. “The devil will be in the details.”...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/04/20/hillary-clinton-her-first-trip-new-hampshire-race-woos-left/AbVjpad1Uo93OB6KaGvAWM/story.html


There will be no details because it's just talk, no intention.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
32. I would but I have a lot going on with work right now
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:51 AM
Apr 2015

And that ship may have already sailed anyways. Too many accusations of being a republican if you aren't for the RW Dem.

But feel free, rhett, or anyone. with the time & the stomach for it!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
33. I understand. Agree that the ship probably has sailed.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:47 AM
Apr 2015

Just don't want the Clinton crowd to run us out of GD.

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