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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:55 AM Jun 2016

Elizabeth Warren’s Fight Against Payday Lenders Comes to the Post Office

https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warrens-fight-against-payday-lenders-comes-to-the-post-office/

Nearly 10 million households qualify as “unbanked,” meaning they don’t have any traditional banking products such as a checking account. Another 25 million are “underbanked,” meaning they have an account but still turn to payday loans or similar products. Together, these two groups comprise nearly a third of all households in the country. The so-called alternative products they rely on—payday loans, prepaid debit cards, check-cashing services—cost them almost $90 billion a year in interest and fees, or an average of about $2,400 per family.

The United States Postal Service would be a much friendlier lender. If the USPS were to offer debit cards, savings accounts, and small-dollar loans, it could save the average underbanked family more than $2,000 a year. Even if just a tenth of the 12 million people who take out payday loans every year instead got a small loan from the post office, they would save more than half a billion dollars.

This notion might sound odd, but it doesn’t take much imagination to see how the post office could get into the business. The USPS already has a large footprint, with more than 30,000 locations across the country, including small towns and rural areas; nearly 40 percent are in places without any bank branches. The post office also offers money orders and prepaid debit cards through American Express: In fact, it sold 97 million money orders in 2014, to about 13 million people.

? We even had a rudimentary postal-banking system in the past. Between 1911 and 1967, the USPS operated a postal savings system that let people make deposits at certain locations. At its peak, more than 4 million people were using it, having deposited a collective $3.4 billion. Plus a number of other countries, from France to New Zealand, offer banking services through their post offices.
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Elizabeth Warren’s Fight Against Payday Lenders Comes to the Post Office (Original Post) eridani Jun 2016 OP
She has an ally in Senator Sanders That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #1
It's past time to make this happen. nt Ilsa Jun 2016 #2
In concept, it's an excellent idea, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #3
The perfect is the enemy of the good Proud Public Servant Jun 2016 #5
nailed it. hueymahl Jun 2016 #6
It wasn't that many years ago the same argument could be used to justify the mob loan sharks. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #7
What argument justifies loan sharking? I simply said... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #14
"Check cashing places and payday lenders have filled a niche," rhett o rick Jun 2016 #16
Well, they have filled a niche-- the point is to get something else for that niche... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #18
We can put crack dealers into jail but we can't do the same for the pay-day loan sharks, esp rhett o rick Jun 2016 #19
The only niche they have filled is that of a legal loan shark and the people are the cstanleytech Jun 2016 #10
That's true, but my point is find an alternative to the neighborhood loand shark... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #15
My brother past away a couple of weeks ago. For many years before his death he was on Social Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #4
ISP too, please. Scuba Jun 2016 #8
Won't this put her on the wrong side of Debbie "payday loan" Wasserman-Schultz? nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #9
Schultz is a nothing, she has some sway but in the end the ones cstanleytech Jun 2016 #11
In her current position she wields a lot of power and I bet Hillary shows her gratitude rhett o rick Jun 2016 #12
I wouldnt object to Hillary giving her a position. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #13
I want to see her fight for her seat in Congress against other Democrats, of course. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17
 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
1. She has an ally in Senator Sanders
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:06 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders's Highly Sensible Plan to Turn Post Offices Into Banks

They're much less crazy than payday-lending services, and the rest of the world agrees.


If you are a low-income person, it is, depending upon where you live, very difficult to find normal banking. Banks don’t want you. And what people are forced to do is go to payday lenders who charge outrageously high interest rates. You go to check-cashing places, which rip you off. And, yes, I think that the postal service, in fact, can play an important role in providing modest types of banking service to folks who need it.

It’s something Sanders alluded to in a 2014 Wall Street Journal op-ed, and it’s not even the craziest idea proposed to save the USPS—a report last year explored the implications of turning post offices into hubs for 3-D printing.

In fact, Sanders’s idea is quite sensible. “Postal banking”—which just means that post offices run savings accounts, cash checks, and perform other basic financial services—is common in most of Asia and Europe, and only about 7 percent of the world’s national postal systems don’t offer some bank-like services. Postal banking is a really good way to reach people who haven’t had access to standard savings accounts. One estimate figures that more than 1 billion people have used post offices for making deposits.

The reason why this would be so useful in the U.S. is that somewhere between 20 and 40 percent of the population has to rely on check-cashing or payday-lending services, which in some places charge usurious rates that send people into spirals of recurring debt. Mehrsa Baradaran, a professor at the University of Georgia School of Law and the author of How the Other Half Banks, touched on the promise of postal banking in a book excerpt published in The Atlantic last week: "The basic idea of modern postal banking is a public bank offering a wide range of transaction services, including financial transactions, remittance, savings accounts, and small lending. These institutions would remain affordable because of economies of scale and because of the existing postal infrastructure in the U.S. Plus, in the absence of shareholders, they would not be driven to seek profits and could sell services at cost."


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-lets-turn-post-offices-into-banks/411589/

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. In concept, it's an excellent idea, but...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:29 AM
Jun 2016

I haven't heard anything about access. My post office is 6 miles away and not accessible by bus or train. Other areas are worse, with some PO's having been closed.

Yes, no doubt there are areas where PO access is better than banks, but it still needs some more thought. Check cashing places and payday lenders have filled a niche, albeit often cruelly, but how to compete with them with a fairer product is still a little up in the air.


Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
5. The perfect is the enemy of the good
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jun 2016

A postal banking system -- a revival and expansion of the United States Postal Savings System, which existed from the early 20th century until the late 1960s -- would benefit a massive number of people, the vast majority of whom live in cities, and save the Postal System. There is no reason to further study it or further think it through; implement it, then figure out what else we have to do to make it more inclusive. Go Sen. Warren!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. It wasn't that many years ago the same argument could be used to justify the mob loan sharks.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jun 2016

While that was frowned upon, many are ok with corporations doing the same thing. There is a slight difference, the mob would hurt you if you failed to pay the vic, now days you just get thrown in jail and have to pay the local government fines.

We should not allow the poor to be preyed upon.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. What argument justifies loan sharking? I simply said...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

that the legal sharks out there are filling a need that more legitimate entities aren't. Simply restarting Postal savings may not solve that need.

I've seen bodegas with some interesting financial schemes that seem to be beneficial to the neighborhoods. Sometimes they even bypass Western Union's horrendous charges.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. "Check cashing places and payday lenders have filled a niche,"
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jun 2016

And we need to fix that, but allowing legal loan sharking isn't the way.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
18. Well, they have filled a niche-- the point is to get something else for that niche...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

Crack dealers fill a niche, too, as do prostitutes and bookies.

"Filling a niche" is a statement, not approval.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. We can put crack dealers into jail but we can't do the same for the pay-day loan sharks, esp
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jun 2016

since they are paying graft to their Congressional representatives.

cstanleytech

(26,294 posts)
10. The only niche they have filled is that of a legal loan shark and the people are the
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

fish being fed upon by them.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
15. That's true, but my point is find an alternative to the neighborhood loand shark...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

and Postal Savings may be part of it, but still may not provide full access to the neediest.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
4. My brother past away a couple of weeks ago. For many years before his death he was on Social
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:00 AM
Jun 2016

Security Disability and lived in a subsidized apartment for the disabled. We cleaned out his apartment and started going through his papers etc., but couldn't find the title to his old truck. What we did find were statements of a 130.00 loan from May 26th which was now $307.00 with interest, AND HE HAD BEEN MAKING PAYMENTS ALREADY!

I had called to see if they had his title, expecting they did. Nope, they did not, the lady told me it was a payday loan. I said that you must take SS disability checks, she happily said yes we do! Since I knew they didn't have the title I told them good luck on collecting!

My brother was never a mental giant and had always been picked on for being slow. He was brain damaged from birth and would have weighed 90 lbs when he got that loan.

Did they feel any guilt when they sucked up his disability check like a vacuum? DWS supports this horrible industry? Whatever happened to Usury laws?

cstanleytech

(26,294 posts)
11. Schultz is a nothing, she has some sway but in the end the ones
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

we need to really focus on are all the other politicians.
Get enough of them on board and the days of the payday loan sharks would be over.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. In her current position she wields a lot of power and I bet Hillary shows her gratitude
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

by giving Debbie a position in her administration. I hope the Progressive in Congress start speaking out in support of Sen Warren's position on this.

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