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Fri May 20, 2016, 07:13 AM

Should Progressives Unify with the Democratic Party Establishment? Hell No!

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/19/should-progressives-unify-democratic-party-establishment-hell-no

Perhaps the greatest achievement of the Bernie campaign is that it has transformed the political spectrum and the way people (even including a few mainstream pundits) view the spectrum. Instead of a binary band with Republicans on the right and Democrats on the alleged "left," the political spectrum now looks like it’s divided into three parts:

The Republican Right, led by the Trumps and Cruzes, rallies its base through racist appeals, anti-immigrant hysteria, misogyny and "America First" rhetoric – a base that is still sizeable and dangerous, even though it is aging and declining as whites lose their super-majority status, and as young whites aren’t as homophobic or bigoted as their elders.

The Democratic Centrist Establishment, personified by Hillary Clinton and dependent on its base of corporate funders, is adept (though not as convincingly as before) at campaigning to the left with rhetoric about "working families" and "breaking down barriers" – while governing mostly on behalf of an unequal status quo, once in office. (Because of Trump’s unpredictability and Clinton’s reliability, the centrist establishment will likely gain support this year from Wall Street Republicans and neoconservative hawks.)

The Progressive Left, embodied by (but broader than) the Bernie campaign, is gaining popularity by articulating issues ignored by major party elites:

free public college tuition funded by a Wall Street transaction tax
healthcare as a right through Enhanced Medicare for All
ending the drug war and mass incarceration
cuts in military spending
government jobs programs to rebuild infrastructure and transform to renewable energy

Progressives owe a debt of gratitude to Bernie Sanders for what he’s accomplished. But no matter what Bernie does or says or advises at July’s Democratic Convention in Philadelphia, progressives must stay independent of Democratic elites. As the Bernie vs. Clinton primary contest has shown, we and they have different agendas, funders and values.

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Reply Should Progressives Unify with the Democratic Party Establishment? Hell No! (Original post)
eridani May 2016 OP
Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #1
pengu May 2016 #2
FlatBaroque May 2016 #4
-none May 2016 #12
TBF May 2016 #6
pengu May 2016 #7
TBF May 2016 #8
pengu May 2016 #9
-none May 2016 #13
MissDeeds May 2016 #22
rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30
FlatBaroque May 2016 #3
Protalker May 2016 #5
DinahMoeHum May 2016 #10
mountain grammy May 2016 #15
ladjf May 2016 #11
fleur-de-lisa May 2016 #14
mountain grammy May 2016 #17
Mbrow May 2016 #20
Yallow May 2016 #23
DinahMoeHum May 2016 #24
Mbrow May 2016 #27
fasttense May 2016 #28
stupidicus May 2016 #16
gordyfl May 2016 #18
LuckyTheDog May 2016 #19
DinahMoeHum May 2016 #25
oldandhappy May 2016 #21
WhiteTara May 2016 #26
JimDandy May 2016 #29

Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:23 AM

1. Unity with the Dem establishment is rewarding bad behavior

Supporting those that suppress,
or worse oppress progressive
voices and goals, is an exercise
in self-defeating behavior.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:25 AM

2. After this dirty primary? Why?

They've shown they'll lie, cheat, and steal every bit as surely as the republicans do. On policy, they never, ever compromise with progressives. They start center right and they meet the republicans part way. Quite frankly, the goals of progressives and the dem establishment are at odds. These people are not our friends or allies.

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Response to pengu (Reply #2)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:32 AM

4. You are right. Centrists are the true enemies of progress.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #4)

Fri May 20, 2016, 08:54 AM

12. It also depends on what they are Centralist between.

Democrats and Republicans? Not any more, that center is too far Right to be of much use to the average citizen.

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Response to pengu (Reply #2)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:37 AM

6. I understood that they were more mainstream -

but I really did not expect the outright cheating. Coin tosses, entire dropping buildings off the voter rolls, flipping registrations, and then that little show in Nevada. Party unity went right out the window with that.

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Response to TBF (Reply #6)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:39 AM

7. Yep, and them screaming "tinfoil hats" won't change the opinions of people who watched the cheating

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Response to pengu (Reply #7)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:41 AM

8. That's the difference from past years

I have had Clinton supporters tell me flat out on Facebook that it has always been this way. Party tricks - both sides. And I believe them. But in the past it was always just hushed up and most people really didn't know for sure. Now everyone has a smart phone and those videos were uploaded on Twitter and Reddit every day. No one is guessing or theorizing anymore - this time we're watching it in real time.

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Response to TBF (Reply #8)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:43 AM

9. "It's always been that way" is the party equivilant of "Billy did it too"

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Response to pengu (Reply #9)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:03 AM

13. Correct. It used to be the various sides normally had some respect fo reach other.

That began to change during Nixon's time, getting worse with each general election as our "leaders" on both sides drifted farther and farther to the Right.

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Response to pengu (Reply #2)

Fri May 20, 2016, 10:01 AM

22. +1000 n/t

 

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Response to pengu (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 02:42 PM

30. We err when we try to understand the fight when we try to frame it as

 

Democrats vs. Republicons. It's a convenient division but not accurate and distracting. The divisions are closer to the Progressive Left, the so-call "centrists" (closer to neo-liberal) and the fascists.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:31 AM

3. We will invite them to join us when we have taken back the party we built.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:35 AM

5. Baby Jane Hudson said to her sister you are in the chair

Trump on Morning Joe expects support from a lot of Bernie's supporters and stated he and Bernie are similar in several ways. Joe thinks Bernie ought to run 3rd party. Only time will tell. Nader was on Hardball. I hope we don't get a 2000 tesult.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 07:53 AM

10. Hey folks, please read the whole article BEFORE you comment. . .

Last edited Fri May 20, 2016, 10:48 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/19/should-progressives-unify-democratic-party-establishment-hell-no

(snip)
While remaining independent of the Democratic establishment, progressives must take the Trump threat seriously and make sure he’s defeated in November. If it’s a contest between Trump and Clinton, I support a "safe-state voting" tactic, where you can cast a protest vote or a Green Party vote in most of the country, but you vote against Trump by voting for Clinton in the dozen “swing states” where polls show a close race.

As Noam Chomsky said on Democracy Now! this week: "If Clinton is nominated and it comes to a choice between Clinton and Trump, in a swing state – a state where it’s going to matter which way you vote – I would vote against Trump, and by elementary arithmetic, that means you hold your nose and you vote Democrat. I don’t think there’s any other rational choice."

One can "hold your nose and vote Democrat" – tactically – without becoming a Democratic Party hack or a Clinton apologist. Defeating Trump does not mean we exaggerate any positives about the Democratic establishment. More important than how we vote is how we build independent progressive organizations and movements (and media) in the coming months and years.

(snip)

Noam Chomsky:
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/5/16/chomsky_on_supporting_sanders_why_he

It means, after 2016, OUR WORK AS PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS IS ONLY BEGINNING.

http://www.brandnewcongress.org
https://www.democracyforamerica.com/
http://www.pdamerica.org/

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #10)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:23 AM

15. I did read the entire article

and came away feeling positive. Bernie Sanders with his honesty and pro people agenda, has won the hearts of millions. I've been listening to him for years, and I'm happy to welcome those who are finally hearing a real liberal voice with real solutions to save humanity and the planet.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 08:46 AM

11. This post hits the "bull's eye". Great thinking! nt

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:16 AM

14. Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

On Fri May 20, 2016, 09:07 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Should Progressives Unify with the Democratic Party Establishment? Hell No!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710602

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post is bullshit. This place is DU. DU is not the place to undermine the Democratic Party. This is a clear TOS violation advocating not supporting the Democratic nominee.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 20, 2016, 09:15 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a upbeat and positive article from "Common Dreams," an outstanding progressive publication. I'm shocked at the alert and will be disgusted if this post is hidden.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree w/ alerter. Either this is Democratic Underground or not. If you don't want to be a Democrat, go somewhere else.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sick and tired of all the rage against our presumptive nominee. Stow it or gtfo.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's still primary season and this is out there and on your left. You can stand to discuss it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a stupid alert. This is still the primary season and we don't have a 'Democratic nominee' yet.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a HRC supporter and do not see a problem with this post. Yes, it's paints a distorted view of HRC's position on policies, but in the end Mr Cohen does advocate for BS supporters to vote for HRC if she is the nominee.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #14)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:27 AM

17. I think it's disgusting that someone alerted on this post

and it barely survived a hide. And to those who would choose to censor such a thoughtful piece; you are the problem. On DU, this should have been an easy 7-0 to LEAVE IT. How disappointing.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #17)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:54 AM

20. I'm surprised as well considering

that a lot of Identified Bernie supporters no longer get on juries.

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Response to Mbrow (Reply #20)

Fri May 20, 2016, 10:19 AM

23. I Am A Bernie Supporter, And Get On All Kinds Of Jury's

 

Relax.

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Response to Yallow (Reply #23)

Fri May 20, 2016, 10:46 AM

24. Same here, and I was NOT on this particular one.

n/t

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #24)

Fri May 20, 2016, 02:28 PM

27. And yet

I was getting called everyday and sometime twice a day since I've been on this site, I was at 100% and 90% and still was called on a regular bases. But for the last month, well I can give you the exact date April 9th, was the last call. I've been on the site the same amount of time and was ALWAYS Fair and even handed, I rarely hid anyone with the caveat of only obvious trolls from off site, not HRC or Bernie supporters. I'm not the only one this has happened to. So indeed I'll chill out and let all my friends and union brothers and sisters who I've always told that this WAS a good site That it might be good to find somewhere else. I have, but I stay here as well to support Those who keep trying to educate people on the truth. (note the small "t" we all know the truth is a relative thing)

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Response to Mbrow (Reply #27)

Sun May 22, 2016, 09:47 AM

28. Yes, I get on juries less often but I'm on DU less often too. The Hillary vibe of this place is too

 

RepubliCON-like to enjoy as much as I use to. I think all the paid Hillary trolls visit DU regularly.

But I'm still called on. I'm an adamant Bernie voter and have been banned from almost all Hillary groups like the History of Feminism and the African American group. But I still get called upon to be on juries. If I'm actually at my desk when asked, I always agree to be on a jury. I feel it is my duty.

Once when I was banned from the Hillary group and 2 of my comments got hidden, then I got banned from DU for a very long time. Something about having too many hides and a ban in one day. It's was a very strange thing. I had never ever been banned before and had only one hide. The DU member called me all sorts of names, dropped the F bomb and attacked me personally but he alerted on me, I then alerted on him. They banned me and hid my comments even though it was he who had broken almost ever rule. His pro-Hillary insults and name calling were allowed to stay while my comments without insults were hidden.

I was dumbfounded that DU juries could be so absolutely unfair and partisan. I staid away for months. I still come here less often. It left a bad taste in my mouth and I hate Hillary Trolls.




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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:24 AM

16. I think they should be used and abused as needed to achieve our goals

 

and given that is merely the same game they've been playing since the birth of their thirdwayisms, they shouldn't find it too objectionable

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:31 AM

18. Philadelphia Approves Four Massive Pro-Bernie Sanders Rallies During DNC

Thousands are expected to attend demonstrations that received city permits Wednesday.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/City-Approves-Four-Massive-Pro-Bernie-Sanders-Rallies-During-DNC-380153191.html

Four pro-Bernie Sanders rallies, with estimated attendance of 38,000 activists, have been approved for public demonstrations during the Democratic National Convention in July, the city said Thursday.

The four rallies, given permits Wednesday night, bring the total to five for approved rallies and marches during what is expected to be a bustling week of political activity in Center City and South Philadelphia. The convention officially runs July 25-28, but two of the five approved rallies and marches of more than 7,000 activists will be held July 24 -- the day more than 4,000 delegates arrive from across the country.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:51 AM

19. As long as they vote Democratic in the fall...

... I don't care what is going on in their heads. I just want Trump to be defeated.

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Response to LuckyTheDog (Reply #19)

Fri May 20, 2016, 10:46 AM

25. +1000s

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:59 AM

21. wow I am sorry someone alerted on this

We need this kind of post. I support Bernie. I am disgusted with the DNC to the point I will change my registration but vote Dem for the most part. I have been sadly disappointed with the failure of clinton to 'see' what was happening and to embrace the progressive movement. It would have been so easy! And now her 'stop it' remarks are making people less willing to unite. I am sorry about that also.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 11:29 AM

26. Trump SCOTUS possible nominee...Tom Cotton.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:47 PM

29. Yes!

Progressives owe a debt of gratitude to Bernie Sanders for what he’s accomplished. But no matter what Bernie does or says or advises at July’s Democratic Convention in Philadelphia, progressives must stay independent of Democratic elites. As the Bernie vs. Clinton primary contest has shown, we and they have different agendas, funders and values.

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